How to Start with Napoleonic Miniature Wargaming in 2024?

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  • @tabletopsidekick
    @tabletopsidekick 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I really appreciate your videos. I enjoy your slow pace, good structure and interesting topics. Thanks so much for making your videos. I'm entering Napoleonics with 6mm scale from Baccus6mm. This video is a great source of information.

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thx. 🙏 Ah Baccus.. hadn't Warlord released Epic P&S I would have entered the 30YW with 6mm. 😋
      A Polemos review may be possible. The rules are on shelf. 😉

  • @astonbridgman185
    @astonbridgman185 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks for all these videos. I would really appreciate if you could do an introduction to each of the main Napoleonics armies, especially the various German states, Prussia and Austria. Their history, unit organization and relative performance/ reputation on the battlefield etc. I’m currently building a Spanish army of 1808 vintage and the French VI corps Italian divisions to oppose them, but thinking of the 1813 campaign next and maybe starting with a mixed Prussian/Russian force (or maybe swap the Russians for Swedes…but just don’t want to deal with Bernadotte!).

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@astonbridgman185 That wouldn't be an easy task... but I'll think about it. A lot of it is a question of morale and leadership... but that's almost where I could start.
      Thx for watching and this thought approach. 🙏

    • @astonbridgman185
      @astonbridgman185 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@totalburnout5424 Thank you - only a suggestion and I realise it's a lot of work

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@astonbridgman185... and any Suggestion is welcome. 😌

  • @JackSargePainting
    @JackSargePainting 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    An excellent video. I enjoyed many fun Napoleonic games with only cardboard counters in the early 90s using Napoleon's Battles. Where would you place Sharpe Practice in your list or an older game like Shako? Have you tried the rules called "Over the Hills"? There seems to be so many Napoleonic rule sets over the years, it is no wonder people can find it overwhelming. 🙂 Thank you once again for your thoughtful presentation .

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I tried to limit myself to the corps and division level games, so Sharps is out of competition. (And I still haven't tried it, even though I've own the rules for 2 years.) 🙄
      I like Shako. AE prepares well for Shako as a second step... if you like old school. ☺️
      I don't know "Over the Hills" yet, I'll have to take a look and "Napoleon's Battle" is still a to-do on the shelf. 😁
      So much choice and possibilities! 😋

  • @collin4592
    @collin4592 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This may just be me since this does not seem common, but I enjoy single basing my miniatures for skirmish, then using movement trays for the larger battles. This allows me to start with a small amount of units for Sharps Practice, then build the army up to a division in General D’Armee

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Actually a good idea. I have to admit that when I think of Sharps I think of 28 figures, but. in battles on smaller scales. 🤔
      Your style is a good shortcut. Thanks for joining the discussion. 🫡

    • @collin4592
      @collin4592 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@totalburnout5424 I use 18mm as you can still see some character in the miniatures but can easily field larger units.

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@collin4592 AB's? I mix some between my 15mm figures. Very detailed figures. 🥰

    • @collin4592
      @collin4592 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@totalburnout5424 I like using Blue moon for the majority of troops, with AB for the commanders and special troops.

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@collin4592 Looks similar to me. Last started with Blue Moon bags and then added CGM plus selected AB miniatures. 😄

  • @Mittens_Gaming
    @Mittens_Gaming 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I really enjoy Black Powder. I have tried a lot of other sets, but if I am being honest, I find Black Powder to be the fast for large battles, which I enjoy, and gives very good results. Its just, well, fun. Valor and Fortitude look very good.
    For armies, the Perry army deals are such an amazing deal for a starter army. Its a lot of miniatures at once, but honestly, outside of skirmish games, Napoleonic's are sort of a hobby which is suited towards massive battles, in my opinion.

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, one thinks more of the big battles, of which there were quite a few.
      You can also stick with a system of rules if you like it. 😉 The more experienced you become at it. The nice thing is that we have the choice and can do what we enjoy. ☺️

  • @lordtiali8572
    @lordtiali8572 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think a good introduction to historical or simple games is "Sharp Practice" by TooFatLardies.
    You only need between 40 and 50 miniatures per side (or less) and not as many as with Black Powder. So one or two unit boxes, for comparison, the starter armies from Black Powder have around 100-120 miniatures. Which I personally find to be too much to "quickly" put together and maybe just paint to try something new. ((and another point for ME, if I want to try out a new game or setting, I stay at around €100-max €150 for two players))
    What I like about the game, apart from the size, is that it's basically a game about the leaders of armies or units. You don't activate a unit of line infantry, but its sergeant and he gives the unit an order. Higher ranks outrank lower NCOs or officers, so for example my lieutenant can command two sergeants and order him to move his unit or open fire.
    The rulebook is available free online, and you can buy a hardback book directly from TooFatLardies, whose website also has extended army lists. The rulebook contains all the "important" armies and wars from the French-Indian War in 1754 to the Indian Mutiny in 1857.

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, I've been after "Sharps Practice" for a while, but I see it more as a skirmish game. I've been a TFL fan lately anyway. 😁

    • @lordtiali8572
      @lordtiali8572 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@totalburnout5424
      yes, depending on the setting, you can call it skirmish :)
      Personally, I would call games like "Shakos & Bayonets" skirmish, and I see Sharps Practice as something in between, especially if you increase the number of units
      For large, massive battles, definitely Black Powder or "Kugelhagel" by Martin Fellar (although I only really like it because of the hidden deployment and "fake units")
      Sharps Practice is more fun if you adapt it to the units, so more Chasseur and Fusiliers, a few line infantry. So "bigger" Skirmish Battle, vanguard or rearguard battle before the large armies meet, or to cover the retreat (so yes call it Skirmish Game :) ) or one small Side of an Battlefield
      I mostly play French and Indian War or American War of Independence, where the division into the three game styles fits better than in the Napoleon era. Attacks on small settlements, Indian raids, etc.
      But I would definitely advise against Black Powder as an introduction, unless you field 5 miniatures and then say that's a regiment with 24+ miniatures or use some markers. I know a few people who were keen on the game, bought a starter army and then simply failed because of the sheer number of models that were in the box and thought that it wasn't actually enough.
      The costs and material expenditure are so much higher, and in 28mm I find a 6x4 table almost too small. I associate the Napoleon era with cavalry, large flank movements and there's hardly enough space for that. especially when you consider that Waterloo is considered a relatively small front with "only" just under 4km
      I currently have Black Powder Epic on my wish list, I think the game will be different in ~15mm... maybe at some point... when the Pile of Shame has been dealt with... or Russia comes as a nation :D

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lordtiali8572 Yes, I see the problems too. I played BP in 28mm myself, but never built an army. So why my recommendation?
      For the first time TFL games are not for beginners. Those who come from GW have difficulty with some mechanisms. I really like their systems.
      BP has structural similarities to GW games, a lower hurdle. There are starter armies and I know of more BP players than players of other Napoleonic games. Active players. Often they then switch from there - because of the problems - to other systems. That's why you'll find teammates with it more quickly, I think.
      Currently Sharps is the only 28mm game I'm actively planning on playing. Maybe Rebels & Patriots. So if you have some experience, go for Sharps. 👌

    • @lordtiali8572
      @lordtiali8572 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@totalburnout5424
      I watched other videos on your channel after I wrote the comments and didn't know that the video was part of a series. And there you talk about exactly these topics, starting slowly, using cardboard markers rather than buying 100 miniatures.
      So sorry if it sounded too much like criticism.
      Black Powder is without question a good game.
      But I've had exactly the oposide experience and it's extremely difficult to motivate new people to play the game, even if I could provide all the figures for 2-4 players.
      And larger skirmishers are easier at the beginning because everything is more manageable and you can then expand from there.

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lordtiali8572 It's all ok. Experiences are often different and the more perspective someone gets, the better. This is how we help... I hope. 😉

  • @simondrury7941
    @simondrury7941 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Not a fan of Black Powder, although I buy all the supplements. Been playing a modified Absolute Emperor latley and liking it. One set you did not mention is Blucher by Sam Mustafa.

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@simondrury7941 Unfortunately Blücher is not in my portfolio, but I really like Lassale by Sam Mustafa.

    • @simondrury7941
      @simondrury7941 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@totalburnout5424 Yes I have Lassale, a good set. Theres always another set of rules, there are two you mention sadly I dont own, but I own another two, Warhammer Hitorical Waterloo now out of print and ESR.

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@simondrury7941 ESR 2nd Ed. waits on my shelf, too. WH Historical Waterloo? Never heared of it. A treaaure! There are many rules I would love to test.. or own. 🫠 Most have something special to like.

  • @Ophomox
    @Ophomox 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hallo, per Zufall hat mich der Algorithmus zu diesem Video gebracht. Aus meiner Studentenzeit Ende der 90er habe ich noch einen Werkzeugkasten voll bemalter napoleonischer 15mm Figuren. Die 14 frz. Infanteriebataillone haben jeweils 18 Figuren (alternativ können auch immer 2 Bataillone kombiniert werden). Welches Regelwerk wird hierfür in Deutschland am ehesten gespielt. Danke!

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Immer noch Black Powder, so weit ich sehe. "Tableschmock", Thomas, unterstützt V&F und hat es auch übersetzt. Gibt es auch auf der Perry Seite, daher wird es vermutlich aufholen.
      Der Rest verteilt sich. Due meisten spielen hier GW Produkte. Ach.. mit Kugelhagel gibt es auch ein deutsches Regelwerk. 🤔

    • @Ophomox
      @Ophomox 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@totalburnout5424 Danke

    • @torstenlingl187
      @torstenlingl187 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Bei uns im Freundeskreis haben wir uns für Kugelhagel entschieden, zum Einstieg in die napoleonischen Kriege. Man benötigt nicht viele Figuren, ein Battaillon wird mit 12 Figuren dargestellt, und kann später auch auf 24 vergrößert werden ( sobald mehr Figuren bemalt sind).

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@torstenlingl187 Wir liebäugelten auch mit Kugelhagel. Kehrten dann aber kurz zu BP mit den Kugelhagel Formationsgrößen zurück.
      Dann kam Corona... 😟

    • @torstenlingl187
      @torstenlingl187 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@totalburnout5424 Wir haben bisher nur ein Gefecht gespielt, sind aber sehr von den Regeln angetan weil es sehr schnell geht. Was ein sehr großes Plus war das es auf deutsch ist, hab auch bei dem letzten Kickstarter mitgemacht (war ein Kampanienbuch).

  • @m.m6990
    @m.m6990 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    thanks for this i myself use general de armee

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      One of the best rules in my opinion. 👍🏻

    • @m.m6990
      @m.m6990 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@totalburnout5424 got a question how do you find players? im in austria and it looks pretty rare is there like a site to find people?

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@m.m6990 For me it was forums (Yahoo Groups) and inviting friends to test play. During Corona, I became more of a solo player. (Long story.)
      Grüße nach Österreich! 👋🏻

  • @thomasmontgomery4597
    @thomasmontgomery4597 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Da deine "Followers" anscheinend großenteils aus Deutschland kommen, wollte ich mal fragen, ob mir jemanden einen Tip geben könnte, wie man an anderen Spieler kommt? Ich kenne nur die Läden in den Großstädten, die nur Warhammer anbieten. Da ist wenig Interesse an napoleonishe Spiele. Ich habe eine kleine Sammelung Britisch- und Frenchtruppen in 1/72 Scale. Ich habe mir selbst Black Powder halbwegs beigebracht aber suche andere Spieler, die sich gern Face-tp-Face treffen. Ich wohne im Mittelhessen.
    Danke im Vorfeld.

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thomasmontgomery4597 Leider nur 3% Deutsche. Ich wurde damals in Foren fündig. "Tabletop Basement" hat einen Discord Server mit vielen Deutschen Spielern. Ist einen Versuch wert. Kennst Du das Sweetwater Forum?

  • @davidwasilewski
    @davidwasilewski 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Shako rules. 6mm miniatures. One base is a battalion and you can play multi corps a side sized games. Waterloo or Borodino on a 6’ by 9’ table and played over a weekend.

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, I like Shako. Unfortunately, I never got around to it. The only review without a test game. It's a shame... I'll have to try it some day.

  • @robfranken2158
    @robfranken2158 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Don't forget DE BELLIS NAPOLEONICIS (DBN)!

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is something I've only heard about. 🤔

    • @robfranken2158
      @robfranken2158 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@totalburnout5424 Well, DBMM & DBA are among 15mm Ancient/Medieval wargamers surly the most demanding (even best) systems! DBN is an adaption, has been developed over many years and is now available in version 2.1 (available as a PDF download only)! There are a few vids one TH-cam too!

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@robfranken2158 Played or better tested DBA years ago. (Many years...)
      I didn't think it was that good at the time, but we probably did a lot of things wrong. 🤔

    • @robfranken2158
      @robfranken2158 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@totalburnout5424 Well, you should give DBA definetly a second chance! It is easy to learn and has so much deep! We finish whole tournaments in one day (each player 5 games)!
      The Author Phil Barker (Co-Founder of the Society of Ancients) is a living legend among Ancient/Medieval wargamers (writing Tabletop rules since over 60 years)! Be sure, the Army lists the Society of Ancients wrote (especially the 4 DBMM Armylist Books) are the Base of most Ancient/Medieval army lists published by other companies for their rules!

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@robfranken2158 I'll definitely keep that in mind. DBA and DBM are definitely classics. 👌🏻

  • @Vortagh
    @Vortagh 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Aloha he aus der Ecke Solingen ins Ruhrgebiet. Ein kleiner, aber GANZ wichtiger Tipp für deine zukünftigen VIdeos: Stell deine Kamera bitte in das Format mit dem "P" am Ende (also 1080p, 720p, 1440p, etc). Du scheinst im "i" Modus zu filmen (Interlaced - es wird ständig abwechselnd nur jeweils jede zweite Zeile gefilmt). Deswegen hast du bei Bewegungen, Seitenblättern, etc, immer diese Streifen drin. 🙂
    Great video, although I would have also looked from 28mm to 15mm - Epic Battles: Waterloo is a great system and allows for truly "epicaly large" battles. 😀With the average Napoleonic "starter army" being a large Warhammer army, I consider 15mm way easier, cheaper - and faster to paint! - than 28mm.

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Muss ich mal prüfen. Danke. Es gelang mir zwischendurch mal die Kamera völlig zu verstellen, was Bildaufnahmen wirklich schlecht machte. Laien am Werk mit alter Technik.

  • @klausfritsch4350
    @klausfritsch4350 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I would also recommend Snappy Nappy. I played Austerlitz in 6mm and it went great and fast.
    I am now playing Ligny (also 6mm) with General d'Armee (zoomed out to army level) and this also plays great, though not as quickly as Snappy Nappy. More details, though.

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That's right, especially when you're playing campaigns or the start of a battle - deployment - Snappy Nappy is in its element. But I think you should have some experience in other rules before trying it. Or am I wrong?

    • @klausfritsch4350
      @klausfritsch4350 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@totalburnout5424 Not necessarily, but either good historical knowledge or previous wargaming experience would be good. The rules expect players to think for themselves.

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@klausfritsch4350 Yes that's what I meant. Anyone coming from the direction of GW is not used to the degree of freedom. 😄

    • @klausfritsch4350
      @klausfritsch4350 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@totalburnout5424 May I ask where you live? I am in Cologne, Germany.

    • @totalburnout5424
      @totalburnout5424  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@klausfritsch4350 You may. 😉 Where the AFD party conference is currently taking place or more accurate a little east of it.
      So strictly speaking, we both live in the Rhineland. ✊🏻