I can just imagine what the rules would look like if Muay Thai was an Olympic sport. *Only straight punches; no hooks or uppercuts or anything fancy. *Elbows are allowed, just the referee stands the fighters apart after every one that lands. *Points are only scored on kicks, and knees thrown from a standing position; no clinching. *
I think the problem is with Olympic comitee changing the sport/rules, and not with including a sport in the Olympics. Muay Thai could work if they keep it as it is. But Olympic comitee dosen't want that. So it's actualy the comitee that dosen't want Muay Thai (as it stands) in the olympics. In my opinion there's too much sports in the Olympics anyway. To the point of Olympics actualy losing mush of their flair and uniqueness compared to other world cups. For instance - Basketball or Soccer - who even cares about olympic Soccer results? No one. FIFA is soccer's main event, where results matter. Soccer has it's own big event every 4 years that overshadows oylmpic soccer by a mile. Olympics are interesting for soccer fans sure ... but does anyone realy ... I mean realy care? I think there's no benefit of keeping it in the Olympics - it's just there to pad the events. Similar with basketball - the big events are NBA, Eurobasket and Basketball World Cup. No one care about olympics that much. Except if you are from a country where their team was out of the final due to last second score! I think to remedy this, Olympics should focus more on athletic competitions. This would be FIFA for athletes - plus some sports to give a nod to Ancient Greek olympics. So I would include Boxing, MMA and equestrian events. MMA is modern version of Pankration ofc. - but also modernized for safety reasons - so UFC ruleset I think would work best, as it already achieves this. Anything less, and it stops being MMA imo. Boxing also need to get rid of stupid helmets - olympic Boxing rules should be the same as normal modern Boxing rules. But if they want to change rules of MMA or Boxing - they are better not to include them alltogether IMO. Athletic events are enough. And winter olympics? Forget about it. Olympics today are just a waste of money more or less ... with countries less and less eager to host the event - some even hoping they wouldn't be picked.
@@cahallo5964 Yeah ... I used to train karate (shotokan) for 7 years. So I feel the pain aswell. I think Karate has been getting the short end of the stick for decades now as a martial art. Our club was one of the last in my country who actualy still did grapling, throws, knees and elbow techniques... even tho we only did it in our gym - as it was completly useless in comeptitions.... It came to the point where we would actualy compete in kickboxing and sevate, rather than kumite (yes as a Karate club). I did do some kumite aswell - but it was not for me.
@@DevilsAdvocateofnazareth It was an greek combat sport. Imagine it like MMA but way more extreme. It was fought one v one, no weapons, naked, allowed all techniques with the exeption of spitting I think. Standup and groundfighting were part of the game. All things considered it allowed everything as long as its 1v1 and there are no weapons or tools.
Fun fact. It seems like boxing in ancient greece resulted to far more deaths than Pankration. Thats because the rules for boxing changed throughout the different time periods, leading to them often allowing stuff like metal gloves. I've heard that according to some historical texts the greeks considered boxing as " the sport for the insane".
@@dr.floridamanphd yeah that's true, but the point was that they had it at all. It was extremely brutal. Not that I want crotch shot and finger breaking or death back into the olympics.
@@jaketheasianguy3307 They will. They will turn it from an effective martial art to useless BS. For the love of what ever god you believe, leave combat sport from Olympic.
Bo, maybe you can help me out, here: What exactly did the IOC and IBJJF do to dilute Judo? I am still figuring that out, as I started becoming a fan of it.
@@SlickRick4EVER like Ramsey explained, the IOC created a bunch of shitty rule set to make Judo looks different from wrestling and "unique", and to attract more viewers since having 2 players doing clinch fighting without striking and leg grab looks indeed kinda cool. Judo when first introduced as a sport have alot of new players from different countries who were also wrestlers, and the entire Judo match turned into a submission wrestling match really fast. The ICO see this, said nope, and made more shitty rules, that included banned leg attacks like double leg, single leg takedown.... This created a misconception to newcomers that Judo only teach you how to throw people on their feet while in reality, it's basically Japanese submission grappling.
I saw alot of people defend the Olympic Karate situation like :"the rules designed that way to teach you discipline and control your strikes, you are an a-hole if you criticized the sport or compare it to full contact karate". All the philosophy sounds cool on paper, except that all i see is semi contact competitions like this only created bad habits for people who want to transition to full contact fighting. Their strikes got too "controlled" to the point they have to spent time to unlearn how to do it later on
@@laperrablanca1 I didn't mean people can't transition well if they do semi contact first. I mean is that they will have to spent an unnecessary amount of time to unlearn alot of stuffs, fixing bad habits before training for real
@@bunnyofdoom4501 You can also do that while practicing full contact. In fact, most guys who throw their hardest shots in real fights has better control of their techniques and discipline in sparring than guys that were taught to "hold back" the entire time
@@jaketheasianguy3307 Well, I think the worst bad habit you may get from no contact/light contact competitions is putting an exaggerated effort in scoring points neglecting your guard... since you're not supposed to get seriously hit... I think that's exactly what happened in the karate final bout
Karate has been like that for years. Our local karate enthusiast who runs a dojo now participated in a karate tournament like 20-30 years ago and knocked his first opponent out. He was disqualifed becauts knockouts were illegal and that was the last karate tournament he participated in.
You’re right. Olympic wrestling died the day they banned chair shots and piledrivers. In all seriousness, I was very excited at the initial announcement and then after it set in a bit I started worrying about all the things you just mentioned. I would rather the sport doesn’t get watered down on an international stage and have people viewing it with the mindset of “what is this boring garbage?”
Olympic Muay Thai! Only elbows and knees, starting from the clinch, light contact. Athletes wear knee and elbow pads with electronic sensors to count the number of strikes. It is a foul to break the clinch, trip the opponent, trigger the sensors for green on a nonvalid target or red on any target.
The IOC requiring all combat sports to be distinct is really weird, when you think of all the extremely similar non-combat sports. We can't have two sports where people get punched in the head, or two sports that feature double leg takedowns, but there's freestyle, backstroke, breaststroke, and butterfly swimming, along with an event that requires each of those four swimming styles to be used in a single race (both in individual and relay categories), and a freestyle relay race. And those are just the different *kinds* of race. They're all contested over multiple distances as well (six for freestyle; two for backstroke, breaststroke, butterfly, individual medley, and freestyle medley; and one for medley relay, which is contested as a mixed event as well as a men's and women's event). It's not really that surprising the person that holds the all-time records for Olympic gold medals (23), Olympic gold medals in individual events (13), and Olympic medals in individual events (16) is a swimmer. How many athletes even get to compete in six different events, each with the possibility for a gold medal, in a single Olympics? I'd imagine most of them are runners. But if you're a wrestler? Pff, you're lucky if you can even somehow compete for both freestyle and Greco-Roman gold.
Also interestingly a lot of sprinters compete in other events as well. There are Olympic sprinters that compete in the long jump and even the bobsled. Turns out running really fast is useful in more than just one sport. Who could've guessed?
Combat sports get watered down over safety concerns. Meanwhile, gymnasts have to perform physics defying twists in the air that can, if they go wrong, result in permanent disability or even death. The IOC really needs to shift their focus.
If every addition of combat sports has been nothing but watered down, simple versions of themselves due to safety concerns, why not create a safe "fighting" sport specifically for the Olympics? Something that would have no basis in fighting beyond the Olympics.
Well, apparently having several slightly different disciplines to compete in currently works. So I think it would be like it goes in that joke: "Look, there are 50 competing standards, we need to make one to unify them all. Oh look, there are 51 competing standards now."
It's also the reason why noone cares about olympic Boxing. Everyone knows it's professional boxing and that ruleset that's the real deal. Similar with other sports realy. Who cares about olympic soccer? No one - people care about FIFA. That's the soccer event, and not olympic games.
@@user-tr8kr1jd2o, while pro boxers can compete in the Olympics as of 2016, you’re going to be hard pressed to find too many of them with name recognition competing at the Olympics.
I think it's very strange that the level of boxing in the Olympics is amateur level. It should be top tier. Olympic sprinters aren't amateurs, they're the best of the best of the entire world. I'm at a loss trying to think of any other Olympic event where the world's best aren't competing.
Kyokushin fighters tend to be pretty cynical, they knew it was coming when they saw Taekwondo would be in the Sydney games and they knew it would be the worst possible ruleset.
Olympic TKD ruined the art. I was in old school TKD back in the 80's before it was in the olympics, it was a whole different thing back then. We weren't playing a game, we were fighting with our hands and feet.
"bastardised" is the right word. I do full-contact karate myself (ashihara karate), and I was surprised that even ppl from non-full contact schools like shotokan were trashing the olympic rules.
Someone showed me a video of moves currently banned in judo, and one of the clips featured a dude transferring from a single-leg takedown into a legit Rock Bottom. Like from pro wrestling. So, yeah, judo needs fixing. Bring back the Rock Bottoms.
So the IOC doesn't want several sports where you can punch the other guy in the face but sees no issue with having 124096 different swimming competitions.
Maybe I’m biased bc I was a swimmer, but I’ve seen so many people shitting on swimming this Olympic cycle for this. Imo comes from a place of complete ignorance, and parroting Joe Rogan and Andrew Schultz. There’s 4 competitive strokes with strictly defined rules each requiring specific athletic attributes to succeed in, and 3 of the 4 strokes only have 2 distances. Nobody bitches about having several track and field events for different kinds of throwing, jumping, running, etc or gymnastics for all their events. If you make the argument swimming should only be freestyle bc it’s the most efficient, then by that logic you would support taking out all combat sports and replacing them with unified rules mma. The only swimming events that are unjustified imo are the mixed gender relays, which were a new addition as of 2016 for the swimming community to score woke brownie points.
@@HerculesLoyd The same reasonning could be done with almost any sport. You could add indoor football, 3x3 football, make up a new game where there's no goalkeeper... Being okay with having so many flavors of swimming is ultimately a matter of opinion. And yes, the same applies to track&field.
Two exceptions are BJJ and boxing. BJJ didn't even need to go to Olympics to get watered down. Meanwhile boxing is in the Olympics and didn't lost its essence.
I'm pained by what karate as a whole has been made to look like thanks to the Olympics. MT needs to be kept well away from the IOC and their politically/money driven scummy management. Completely agree with the point of the whole video. "If you love your combat sport keep it out of the Olympics." That's it, right there.
Team handball is actually an amazing sport. I only see it every four years, but I'd be a fan of it WAS mainstream. Like a cross between basketball and soccer, getting rid of some of the more annoying bits from each.
It is becoming a well documented situation, that the IOC have destroyed all combat sports they put their hands on. Judo got destroyed so bad that upon retiring I had no regrets.
muay thai olympic rules: no punches, no kicks, no knees, no elbows, no clinch, no sweeps. basically you enter the ring, do your dance and then the judges give you a score. b.t.w.: if i were the current Karate gold medalist, i d just switch medals with the silver winner
It is indeed a good question why you would want "your" sport to be in the olympics. Climbing was just added to the olympics and climbing gyms were all hoping for extra attention. But as there were no dutch competitors, it wasn't aired on dutch tv. The same would hold for your favourite martial art. If it isn't already big in your country, it won't be on tv, so it won't grow. The whole olympics are just a dumb concept.
Ofc. Because there's too much sports there anyways. I would keep only athletic events and maybe boxing. MMA only and only if they would do it by UFC ruleset. I think that's good balance between safety and a nod to pankration. But if not - I wouldn't include it. Basketball has world cup, soccer has FIFA, athletes could have olympics. No other sports to wash it down. And to be fair - MMA has UFC, so there's no need to include it apart from ancient greek tradition.
Muay Thai, along with Sambo and one other martial art, have recently been recognized by the IOC. All that means is that they’re up for consideration to be included. I’ve read several news articles about this and they estimate that we wouldn’t see them in an Olympics until Los Angeles 2028. I agree with your reasoning for keeping Muay Thai out of the Olympics. But I still want to see Sambo get added. I’d love to see mainstream recognition of my favorite martial art. On a side note, wrestling used to be very mainstream here in the 1970s and 80s because of pro wrestling in the southern states. What separated the likes of Vince McMahon from Jim Crockett was that Crockett’s promotion ran the southern half of the country. It wasn’t nearly as cartoonish as the McMahon family’s WWWF-turned-WWF. The southern wrestlers for the most part were very technically skilled wrestlers. Yes, they could brawl like the roughnecks many of them were, but they could also grapple quite proficiently. You didn’t see a lot of technical wrestling in the WWF back then. They had a few guys who could grapple with the best of them, but not nearly as many as you’d find down south.
I'd love to have more combat sports in the Olympics after the IOC gets uprooted and replaced with a committee who are willing to respect that combat athletes are ready willing and able to face the threats of the sport they've trained in for who-knows-how-many years.
I'm a former wrestler in U.S. highschool and college, and I barely understand what's going in the Freestyle and Greco-Roman. Folkstyle seems a lot more interesting to me. If you love something, don't give it to the IOC.
I’m English and I can confirm absolutely no one cares about football or “soccer” in olympics World Cup euros and other national tournaments are much more watched and talked about and the trophies are more meaningful
Same situation in the US with respect to basketball. People here care about college ball and the NBA, but I never hear people getting worked up about Olympic basketball. I guess people mainly tune into the Olympics for the novelty of seeing a bunch of oddball sports on TV.
Hearing these valid points from Coach terrifies me. Muay Thai is something I’ve cherished and trained in for over 35 years. If it turned into that ‘Olympic hot garbage’ like TKD + Karate has, a piece of me would die! What about Submission Wrestling being in the Olympics? Could it be a good thing? Could regular people possibly fathom the skill and toughness of no gi/BJJ competitors? I say no chance!
Honestly the rules staying the same but fighters having to wear knee, elbow and shin guards would be the absolute best case scenario. I don't know what they'll come up with considering what they did to judo (I don't really know how they changed the other sports but I have a decent idea for judo)
Olympics want combat sports but without violence... With wrestling or judo it's doable but with any kind of striking, it's stupid. You can spar light, but competing light seem weird to me.... Do everything you can to win, be the fastest, the more technical fighter but absolutely never hurt your opponent ! Throw the fastest head kick in the world, because head kicks give you more points, but pull it at the last moment and pray for your opponent to not lean into it, because he will get ko'd and you'll lose... How stupid is that ?
To a degree I believe the reason for Karate no knockout rule in competition is so that a whole tournament can be done in a day without competitors needing time to recover. It has been known for some teams to take advantage of the meta and enter 6 or so competitors into a singles competition with the instruction to deliberately commit fouls and injure the biggest threats to their team's 'ringer' (not that they would likely publicly admit to it). I actually think they would have been better using the Shobu-ippon (1 point to win) rules as while it is not as fast paced as other combat sports, it does make for a more distinct competition, as opposed to just another watered down kickboxing match.
Let’s be real. We need exactly two olympics sports to be real main stream sports. A) biathalon- because skiing then stopping to shoot your rifle is amazing, and B) curling! Because curling is the greatest feat of athleticism I’ve ever seen.
Same goes with fencing, olympic style fencing is so watered down that if you stab your opponent a 5th of a second faster than they hit you, you somehow win...now the athletic side of olypmic fencing is incredible but they throw down the water all real technique just to hit first, like your opponent magically dies with a single touch...
Yes, you opponent dies with a single touch, and somehow you don't with his single touch. Or maybe he is supposed to get vanished as in infinity gauntlet.
I feel like there should be a sporting event like the Olympics, just for martial arts. This way everyone could have their national art in this event instead of the Olympics, without watering it down, making everyone happy (hopefully)
It's kind of interesting paradox in that in order to get honesty in your martial art you need it to be pressure tested against a resisting opponent. This usually happens in the form of competition. However, once it turns over to the olympics it turns to more focusing on rules than performance.
Just look at what happened to Judo. Lots of funding poured in, but they eventually banned leg grabs! Also, many places where wrestling is mainstream, like mongolia, they have their own rules and spend a vast majority of time fighting in that ruleset which is totally different from Olympic wrestling.
Ramsey is spot on! This really is a younger persons idea. 35+ still remember the Olympic Robbery of Roy Jones Jr! And that’s just one example. And how does the guy who gets KOed in a Karate tourney get a Gold? Epitome of a participation trophy at that point. The Olympics are joke to me now.
@@gyroninjamodder he didn't kill him though, he just got KO'ed, I mean you don't want it to happen a lot but it happens its not that big of a deal man. You are not going to die from one KO. (Im talking about in the ring, not on the streets where your head can hit concrete etc)
@@gyroninjamodder and I mean seriously... maybe MMA is not your thing (not you, in general) if you are worried about being KO'ed. Its one of those things man. Watch Khabib just walk people down and not worry about being KO'ed. Its impressive man!
Love the channel. I see what you mean. A good example is pro boxing compared to olympic boxing. Pro boxing for all of its flaws is a legit combat sport while olympic boxing is basically a glorified tag game. Not saying the participants aren't great athletes or tough guys but the nature of the competition itself leaves something to be desired.
I don't really blame the Olympic I blame the governing bodies and the way funding is given out. Its up to the club to teach traditional, combat and sport. They should just bring kickboxing to the Olympics.
Ramsay, perdón que sea Off-Topic. Soy uno de tus seguidores argentinos, quería saber si podrías contar un poco de tu experiencia misionando acá. Sería muy interesante!
@@RamseyDewey to what degree can u harden ur gut and ribs by hitting yourself with a stick like shaolin monks do? I mean u can eat up those body shots.
I agree, I love jujitsu the way it is man. I’ve competed in a few small promotions and those were fun because the rule set is simple and most the subs not allowed to lower belts makes sense.
The Olympics used to be so special and had a certain "Aura" about it. I went to the opening ceremony for the 2000 Olympic games and watched a couple of the events and just the buzz about the Olympics at the time was big but now the "Aura" of the Olympics has very much faded out and whenever they come along I'm usually like "Oh dear, that's not gonna be good for their economy" I was actually really confused and angry by the DQ win for getting knocked out, they essentially gave a win for bad defense. I used to say that I think MMA should be in the Olympics but given how bad Taekwondo is now it's a really really hard pass on having MMA in the games, I mean even as MMA is now I feel there's too many rules so god forbid what the IOC would do to it.
Seriously, the Olympics used to feel like how we determined The Best in the World. Even before this karate gold I felt like that wasn't really the case. And now... it's basically really expensive intermurals.
Agreed my taekwondo master says there is the Olympic sport and then there’s fighting. He’s teaching me to fight if I want to compete that’ll be slightly different than the way he’s teaching me to fight. He has made this clear especially when he’s showing self-defense techniques that are definitely outlawed in the Olympics.
Karate and TKD was just humiliated in the Olympics. Judo banned leg grabs and now the sport isn’t as good as it was. Wrestling is the only sport not yet mutilated by the Olympics and it will eventually
Just to add my personal experience, in mine and neighboring Slavic countries and Turkey - wrestling is very famous and have some very successful coaches and gyms. A lot of young guy even if doesn't train consistently have trained in some part of their lives if not for years then at least for days. I would not say that 'everybody' did it, but a considerably part of the young students. Wrestling and weightlifting are very well developed and related gyms are usually well equipped and very cheap. Also it's social pressure for young men to be in good shape and that 'sport is the way' which I don't consider bad at all especially considering the alternatives.
Coach your point on Wrestling is profound. Prior to the Olympics Wrestling & Wrestling Champions were FrontPage News. They truly were International sporting celebrity’s.
Ancient Olympic wrestling was to submission. Wrestlers submitted by raising their index finger. One wrestler was notorious for breaking his opponents fingers so they couldn’t signal submission.
the real benefit of being olympic is that many countries may invest state money to its practice and diffusion, thus increasing number of practitioners and competitive level of the sport, then institutions wont care about the sport they'll just comply to olimpic committee to keep the sport on it ... and that's the sad story of judo
Agreed, I used to train in fencing in school but it has turned into something that isn't even really simulating a duel anymore. They have wires coming out of these whip antennas w/ a bowl guard on it. Don't handle anything like a sword & the rules are comical.
Kickboxing and Muay Thai will be on a test/trial in 2024 if it goes well it will officially be in the 2028 Olympics. Muay Thai will have shin guards and elbow pads.It would be under IFMA rules
Amateur Muay Thai is recognized by the the IOC and with that rule that host countries can choose some sports pretty much guarantees that it will go to the Olympics if Thailand ever hosts the Olympics.
I absolutely DON'T want BJJ in the Olympics. IBJJF might not be ideal, but the Olympics would find a way to make it worse. They'd probably take out submissions and stand-up, and start one competitor in the other's guard. BJJ needs to go in the opposite direction - submission only bouts that go longer than 5 minutes.
What I really don't understand is why Olympic-sanctioned karate rules make KO's illegal, but TWD rules encourage brutal head kick KOs. Like, I get it, differentiation and all. But that's just so bizarre.
Hey Ramsey ive been doing WT Tkd since about 08',the sparring we do went from using Traditional Hogus to Electronic ones which made scoring kicks to the body really weird so then you see people invent crap like monkey kicks and scorpion kicks because the uncertainty of the chest gear and instep protector instead of good ol power shots also to score a head kick you just need to place 1 toe on the opponent lol so KO's even though is a valid way to win its a rare occurrence.
That noodly leg-something is embarrassing to see, coming from itf tkd, I remember I used to admire some wtf kicks, now they all seem uncontrolled and almost comical. I hope itf remains a separate thing.
I love doing Olympic weightlifting, and there are SERIOUS issues with the judging and rules surrounding pressouts. There were many 2021 PR makes which were poorly judged as no lifts.....
@@GuitarsRockForever HEMA is an entirely different sort of sword fighting than that which Olympic fencing was originally developed to teach (that being the styles of sword fencing which were actually in legitimate combat use during the era); which was late eighteen century and early nineteenth century rapier, smallsword, and military saber fencing; particularly that of England and Prussia.
I was forced to play Handball and volleyball at school. Strange 80 and 90’s here in Brazil. Football was forbidden, they said we already played too much in the street. I am not making this shit up.
My taekwondo instructor hates the olympic rules. Whenever we have a match or spar, he allows actual contact and encourages that. Instead of trying to score points by touch other guys armor.
I've never seen the Olympic version of handball but I've played a version in NYC where you hit a small ball with your hand against the wall and it has a lot of similarities to tennis rules. It can be played 1v1 or 2v2. As far as I can remember, I haven't seen these courts in the U.S. outside of NYC.
I think sports are more mainstream outside the olympics...u have MMA becuz of UFC, wrestling and "pro wrestling" becuz of WWE, Basketball cuz of NBA, Football cuz of FIFA. Olympic really doesn't add anything to the mainstream sports other than keeping the traditions alive with the ancient sports like running, javelin, high jump etc...that's all. It does nothing but give a sense of branding to these traditional sports. Hence in a sense keeping them alive.
Wrestling is basically the least bastardized Olympic combat sport, as wrestling was already a pretty highly specialized (and, by that standard, incomplete) art by the time it entered the Olympics. Greco-Roman wrestling doesn't allow double-leg takedowns, perhaps the most instinctual grappling move of a species that was designed to fight via grappling.
If they treat it like they did Sport Climbing it’s a very HARD NO for me Edit: The Point Comp. was a flashback to the 70’s & Olympic MT would look like Full Contact Karate from the same era
TRUTHS!!! I did WTF TKD shortly after Rogan's era. We went for the KO all the time. I couldn't get through the gold medal match in my old weight class this year because it was BORING! I boxed in the golden gloves, but I hate Olympic boxing for the robberies to Jones Jr. and Mayweather. Finally, I competed as a Nak muay and I'm HORRIFIED that they want to add my favorite striking sport to the Olympics especially after the Karate debacle. NO Olympics! No. Bad Olympics. Put muay thai down and leave it alone.
I totally agree. I guess the main problem is not just the Sport, but the officials behind it. The organisations try to create a business and milk the cow. So the Art turn into Sport and Sport turn into Business. This is not always totally Bad for the sport, but often. The olympic commission had the idea to drop wresting out of the Olympics. They say, peoples are not Interested in wrestling...they mean there is no big business.
I can see why they watered down karate and tae kwon do in the Olympics. They're not intending to mess it up, they just want to minimize the risk of athletes getting injured, especially with each sport having events on multiple days
7:54 no one watches handball, however it's mainstream in my town (not in my country) because there was this one PE teacher that was obssesed with it and we trained that for like 4 years straight and he organised a lot of events, kinda funny story.
i cannot understand what happened in that karate match, if i where knocked out i would simply give up my gold medal to the guy who actually won the fight
I can just imagine what the rules would look like if Muay Thai was an Olympic sport.
*Only straight punches; no hooks or uppercuts or anything fancy.
*Elbows are allowed, just the referee stands the fighters apart after every one that lands.
*Points are only scored on kicks, and knees thrown from a standing position; no clinching.
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So basically point karate 😂
@@jimk3363 I mean isn't that how kickboxing works?
I think the problem is with Olympic comitee changing the sport/rules, and not with including a sport in the Olympics. Muay Thai could work if they keep it as it is. But Olympic comitee dosen't want that. So it's actualy the comitee that dosen't want Muay Thai (as it stands) in the olympics.
In my opinion there's too much sports in the Olympics anyway. To the point of Olympics actualy losing mush of their flair and uniqueness compared to other world cups. For instance - Basketball or Soccer - who even cares about olympic Soccer results? No one. FIFA is soccer's main event, where results matter. Soccer has it's own big event every 4 years that overshadows oylmpic soccer by a mile. Olympics are interesting for soccer fans sure ... but does anyone realy ... I mean realy care? I think there's no benefit of keeping it in the Olympics - it's just there to pad the events. Similar with basketball - the big events are NBA, Eurobasket and Basketball World Cup. No one care about olympics that much. Except if you are from a country where their team was out of the final due to last second score!
I think to remedy this, Olympics should focus more on athletic competitions. This would be FIFA for athletes - plus some sports to give a nod to Ancient Greek olympics. So I would include Boxing, MMA and equestrian events. MMA is modern version of Pankration ofc. - but also modernized for safety reasons - so UFC ruleset I think would work best, as it already achieves this.
Anything less, and it stops being MMA imo. Boxing also need to get rid of stupid helmets - olympic Boxing rules should be the same as normal modern Boxing rules.
But if they want to change rules of MMA or Boxing - they are better not to include them alltogether IMO. Athletic events are enough.
And winter olympics? Forget about it. Olympics today are just a waste of money more or less ... with countries less and less eager to host the event - some even hoping they wouldn't be picked.
@@Member_zero Olympic Karate literally just made me sad
@@cahallo5964 Yeah ... I used to train karate (shotokan) for 7 years. So I feel the pain aswell. I think Karate has been getting the short end of the stick for decades now as a martial art. Our club was one of the last in my country who actualy still did grapling, throws, knees and elbow techniques... even tho we only did it in our gym - as it was completly useless in comeptitions....
It came to the point where we would actualy compete in kickboxing and sevate, rather than kumite (yes as a Karate club). I did do some kumite aswell - but it was not for me.
The watering down of combat sports is funny when the original Olympics had Pankration, a combat sort where death was common.
They phased pankration out of the Olympic Games in favor of wrestling and boxing where fewer serious injuries occurred.
What actually was pankration?
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It was an greek combat sport. Imagine it like MMA but way more extreme. It was fought one v one, no weapons, naked, allowed all techniques with the exeption of spitting I think. Standup and groundfighting were part of the game. All things considered it allowed everything as long as its 1v1 and there are no weapons or tools.
Fun fact. It seems like boxing in ancient greece resulted to far more deaths than Pankration. Thats because the rules for boxing changed throughout the different time periods, leading to them often allowing stuff like metal gloves. I've heard that according to some historical texts the greeks considered boxing as " the sport for the insane".
@@dr.floridamanphd yeah that's true, but the point was that they had it at all. It was extremely brutal. Not that I want crotch shot and finger breaking or death back into the olympics.
The IOC pretty much ruins everything it touches. Look what it did to judo.
Same goes for folks that want jiu-jitsu in the Olympics.
IBJJF competition is already a joke, i can't imagine how the IOC would make it any worse
@@jaketheasianguy3307 Don't tempt fate, please.
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They will. They will turn it from an effective martial art to useless BS. For the love of what ever god you believe, leave combat sport from Olympic.
Bo, maybe you can help me out, here: What exactly did the IOC and IBJJF do to dilute Judo? I am still figuring that out, as I started becoming a fan of it.
@@SlickRick4EVER like Ramsey explained, the IOC created a bunch of shitty rule set to make Judo looks different from wrestling and "unique", and to attract more viewers since having 2 players doing clinch fighting without striking and leg grab looks indeed kinda cool.
Judo when first introduced as a sport have alot of new players from different countries who were also wrestlers, and the entire Judo match turned into a submission wrestling match really fast. The ICO see this, said nope, and made more shitty rules, that included banned leg attacks like double leg, single leg takedown.... This created a misconception to newcomers that Judo only teach you how to throw people on their feet while in reality, it's basically Japanese submission grappling.
We saw how much of a joke karate was in the olympics
I saw alot of people defend the Olympic Karate situation like :"the rules designed that way to teach you discipline and control your strikes, you are an a-hole if you criticized the sport or compare it to full contact karate". All the philosophy sounds cool on paper, except that all i see is semi contact competitions like this only created bad habits for people who want to transition to full contact fighting. Their strikes got too "controlled" to the point they have to spent time to unlearn how to do it later on
Please watch Raphael Aghayev fights. I think he made the full transition very well
@@laperrablanca1 I didn't mean people can't transition well if they do semi contact first. I mean is that they will have to spent an unnecessary amount of time to unlearn alot of stuffs, fixing bad habits before training for real
I like the discipline it takes to not get hit
@@bunnyofdoom4501 You can also do that while practicing full contact. In fact, most guys who throw their hardest shots in real fights has better control of their techniques and discipline in sparring than guys that were taught to "hold back" the entire time
@@jaketheasianguy3307 Well, I think the worst bad habit you may get from no contact/light contact competitions is putting an exaggerated effort in scoring points neglecting your guard... since you're not supposed to get seriously hit... I think that's exactly what happened in the karate final bout
Karate has been like that for years. Our local karate enthusiast who runs a dojo now participated in a karate tournament like 20-30 years ago and knocked his first opponent out. He was disqualifed becauts knockouts were illegal and that was the last karate tournament he participated in.
I'd quit competition as well if I lost for knocking my opponent out.
Rip his fighting spirit.
You’re right. Olympic wrestling died the day they banned chair shots and piledrivers.
In all seriousness, I was very excited at the initial announcement and then after it set in a bit I started worrying about all the things you just mentioned. I would rather the sport doesn’t get watered down on an international stage and have people viewing it with the mindset of “what is this boring garbage?”
Olympic Muay Thai! Only elbows and knees, starting from the clinch, light contact. Athletes wear knee and elbow pads with electronic sensors to count the number of strikes. It is a foul to break the clinch, trip the opponent, trigger the sensors for green on a nonvalid target or red on any target.
Sounds pretty gay ngl
@@Nightwalk444 Nah, even gays are more intense than that. Source: my noisy gay neighbours.
The IOC requiring all combat sports to be distinct is really weird, when you think of all the extremely similar non-combat sports. We can't have two sports where people get punched in the head, or two sports that feature double leg takedowns, but there's freestyle, backstroke, breaststroke, and butterfly swimming, along with an event that requires each of those four swimming styles to be used in a single race (both in individual and relay categories), and a freestyle relay race.
And those are just the different *kinds* of race. They're all contested over multiple distances as well (six for freestyle; two for backstroke, breaststroke, butterfly, individual medley, and freestyle medley; and one for medley relay, which is contested as a mixed event as well as a men's and women's event).
It's not really that surprising the person that holds the all-time records for Olympic gold medals (23), Olympic gold medals in individual events (13), and Olympic medals in individual events (16) is a swimmer. How many athletes even get to compete in six different events, each with the possibility for a gold medal, in a single Olympics? I'd imagine most of them are runners. But if you're a wrestler? Pff, you're lucky if you can even somehow compete for both freestyle and Greco-Roman gold.
Also interestingly a lot of sprinters compete in other events as well. There are Olympic sprinters that compete in the long jump and even the bobsled.
Turns out running really fast is useful in more than just one sport. Who could've guessed?
Good rundown
Great comment Ramsey, thanks. I love Muay Thai for the brutal and complex sport that it is. As weird as that may sound.
It's not weird at all, that's what evey combat sport should be like.
Muay Thai in the Olympics will be watered down and unwatchable
Combat sports get watered down over safety concerns.
Meanwhile, gymnasts have to perform physics defying twists in the air that can, if they go wrong, result in permanent disability or even death.
The IOC really needs to shift their focus.
If every addition of combat sports has been nothing but watered down, simple versions of themselves due to safety concerns, why not create a safe "fighting" sport specifically for the Olympics? Something that would have no basis in fighting beyond the Olympics.
That’s a good point, that would ensure that the olympics would be even more useless then it already is.
Well, apparently having several slightly different disciplines to compete in currently works. So I think it would be like it goes in that joke: "Look, there are 50 competing standards, we need to make one to unify them all. Oh look, there are 51 competing standards now."
They could just adopt aikido as it is, and call it job done. If they want to get more useless, they could make it "no touch only" competition.
Olympic Tekken, I like it.
Agreed, it’s good that there’s only amateur boxing in the olympics
(Not sure if I’m missing context), they did start allowing professionals
It's also the reason why noone cares about olympic Boxing. Everyone knows it's professional boxing and that ruleset that's the real deal. Similar with other sports realy. Who cares about olympic soccer? No one - people care about FIFA. That's the soccer event, and not olympic games.
@@user-tr8kr1jd2o, while pro boxers can compete in the Olympics as of 2016, you’re going to be hard pressed to find too many of them with name recognition competing at the Olympics.
@@user-tr8kr1jd2o yes but the professionals compete under amateur boxing rules
I think it's very strange that the level of boxing in the Olympics is amateur level. It should be top tier. Olympic sprinters aren't amateurs, they're the best of the best of the entire world. I'm at a loss trying to think of any other Olympic event where the world's best aren't competing.
Kyokushin fighters sitting here crying.
Seidokan and the whole K1 stuff shows that karate can be practical :(
Kyokushin fighters tend to be pretty cynical, they knew it was coming when they saw Taekwondo would be in the Sydney games and they knew it would be the worst possible ruleset.
Andy hug was famous kyokushin fighter and later k1 fighter and in 1996 k1 grand prix winner
@@waddwawadsdasad2339 Not to mention Seidokaikan the style that brought us K-1 is a Kyokushin offshoot.
Thank God kyokushin and karate combat will keep some good karate around.
Olympic TKD ruined the art. I was in old school TKD back in the 80's before it was in the olympics, it was a whole different thing back then. We weren't playing a game, we were fighting with our hands and feet.
"bastardised" is the right word. I do full-contact karate myself (ashihara karate), and I was surprised that even ppl from non-full contact schools like shotokan were trashing the olympic rules.
Someone showed me a video of moves currently banned in judo, and one of the clips featured a dude transferring from a single-leg takedown into a legit Rock Bottom. Like from pro wrestling. So, yeah, judo needs fixing. Bring back the Rock Bottoms.
If you don’t do the Rock Bottom can you truly claim to have laid the smack down on their candy ass?
So the IOC doesn't want several sports where you can punch the other guy in the face but sees no issue with having 124096 different swimming competitions.
And they keep adding different types of gymnastics too.
Also how many track events is again?
Water sport drew viewers, both men and women.
But their motivation might be questionable.
Maybe I’m biased bc I was a swimmer, but I’ve seen so many people shitting on swimming this Olympic cycle for this. Imo comes from a place of complete ignorance, and parroting Joe Rogan and Andrew Schultz. There’s 4 competitive strokes with strictly defined rules each requiring specific athletic attributes to succeed in, and 3 of the 4 strokes only have 2 distances. Nobody bitches about having several track and field events for different kinds of throwing, jumping, running, etc or gymnastics for all their events. If you make the argument swimming should only be freestyle bc it’s the most efficient, then by that logic you would support taking out all combat sports and replacing them with unified rules mma. The only swimming events that are unjustified imo are the mixed gender relays, which were a new addition as of 2016 for the swimming community to score woke brownie points.
yeah. Do you not see anything wrong with punching each other in the face? ...
@@HerculesLoyd The same reasonning could be done with almost any sport. You could add indoor football, 3x3 football, make up a new game where there's no goalkeeper... Being okay with having so many flavors of swimming is ultimately a matter of opinion. And yes, the same applies to track&field.
Two exceptions are BJJ and boxing.
BJJ didn't even need to go to Olympics to get watered down.
Meanwhile boxing is in the Olympics and didn't lost its essence.
I'm pained by what karate as a whole has been made to look like thanks to the Olympics. MT needs to be kept well away from the IOC and their politically/money driven scummy management.
Completely agree with the point of the whole video.
"If you love your combat sport keep it out of the Olympics." That's it, right there.
Team handball is actually an amazing sport. I only see it every four years, but I'd be a fan of it WAS mainstream. Like a cross between basketball and soccer, getting rid of some of the more annoying bits from each.
It is becoming a well documented situation, that the IOC have destroyed all combat sports they put their hands on.
Judo got destroyed so bad that upon retiring I had no regrets.
What combat sports has IOC ruined that were already spectator sports with prize fights?
muay thai olympic rules: no punches, no kicks, no knees, no elbows, no clinch, no sweeps. basically you enter the ring, do your dance and then the judges give you a score. b.t.w.: if i were the current Karate gold medalist, i d just switch medals with the silver winner
Competitive Wai Khru ram Muay
@@RamseyDewey as an ageing martial artists, i smell a viable road to gold...
@@mynameismynameis666 😂👍
It is indeed a good question why you would want "your" sport to be in the olympics. Climbing was just added to the olympics and climbing gyms were all hoping for extra attention. But as there were no dutch competitors, it wasn't aired on dutch tv. The same would hold for your favourite martial art. If it isn't already big in your country, it won't be on tv, so it won't grow. The whole olympics are just a dumb concept.
Ofc. Because there's too much sports there anyways. I would keep only athletic events and maybe boxing. MMA only and only if they would do it by UFC ruleset. I think that's good balance between safety and a nod to pankration. But if not - I wouldn't include it.
Basketball has world cup, soccer has FIFA, athletes could have olympics. No other sports to wash it down. And to be fair - MMA has UFC, so there's no need to include it apart from ancient greek tradition.
Muay Thai, along with Sambo and one other martial art, have recently been recognized by the IOC. All that means is that they’re up for consideration to be included. I’ve read several news articles about this and they estimate that we wouldn’t see them in an Olympics until Los Angeles 2028.
I agree with your reasoning for keeping Muay Thai out of the Olympics. But I still want to see Sambo get added. I’d love to see mainstream recognition of my favorite martial art.
On a side note, wrestling used to be very mainstream here in the 1970s and 80s because of pro wrestling in the southern states. What separated the likes of Vince McMahon from Jim Crockett was that Crockett’s promotion ran the southern half of the country. It wasn’t nearly as cartoonish as the McMahon family’s WWWF-turned-WWF. The southern wrestlers for the most part were very technically skilled wrestlers. Yes, they could brawl like the roughnecks many of them were, but they could also grapple quite proficiently. You didn’t see a lot of technical wrestling in the WWF back then. They had a few guys who could grapple with the best of them, but not nearly as many as you’d find down south.
I'd love to have more combat sports in the Olympics after the IOC gets uprooted and replaced with a committee who are willing to respect that combat athletes are ready willing and able to face the threats of the sport they've trained in for who-knows-how-many years.
They have *Equestrian Diving* in the Olympics?!?!?
I'm a former wrestler in U.S. highschool and college, and I barely understand what's going in the Freestyle and Greco-Roman. Folkstyle seems a lot more interesting to me. If you love something, don't give it to the IOC.
The fact that in Olympic Karate you can win by letting yourself get knocked out is asinine! Makes TKD more legit lol
I’m English and I can confirm absolutely no one cares about football or “soccer” in olympics World Cup euros and other national tournaments are much more watched and talked about and the trophies are more meaningful
Same situation in the US with respect to basketball. People here care about college ball and the NBA, but I never hear people getting worked up about Olympic basketball.
I guess people mainly tune into the Olympics for the novelty of seeing a bunch of oddball sports on TV.
Same im from mexico were football is huge as well and also no one care
I'm just patiently waiting for it to become a high level karate strategy to throw your head at your opponent's kicks and hope that they knock you out.
Hearing these valid points from Coach terrifies me. Muay Thai is something I’ve cherished and trained in for over 35 years.
If it turned into that ‘Olympic hot garbage’ like TKD + Karate has, a piece of me would die!
What about Submission Wrestling being in the Olympics? Could it be a good thing? Could regular people possibly fathom the skill and toughness of no gi/BJJ competitors? I say no chance!
Honestly the rules staying the same but fighters having to wear knee, elbow and shin guards would be the absolute best case scenario.
I don't know what they'll come up with considering what they did to judo (I don't really know how they changed the other sports but I have a decent idea for judo)
Olympics want combat sports but without violence...
With wrestling or judo it's doable but with any kind of striking, it's stupid. You can spar light, but competing light seem weird to me....
Do everything you can to win, be the fastest, the more technical fighter but absolutely never hurt your opponent !
Throw the fastest head kick in the world, because head kicks give you more points, but pull it at the last moment and pray for your opponent to not lean into it, because he will get ko'd and you'll lose... How stupid is that ?
To a degree I believe the reason for Karate no knockout rule in competition is so that a whole tournament can be done in a day without competitors needing time to recover.
It has been known for some teams to take advantage of the meta and enter 6 or so competitors into a singles competition with the instruction to deliberately commit fouls and injure the biggest threats to their team's 'ringer' (not that they would likely publicly admit to it).
I actually think they would have been better using the Shobu-ippon (1 point to win) rules as while it is not as fast paced as other combat sports, it does make for a more distinct competition, as opposed to just another watered down kickboxing match.
I would argue that it's ultimately more beneficial for Muay Thai and sports and general to have accepted and standardized amateur leagues.
Please don't. Itll need too much protective equipment.
Wrestling is mainstream in Sengal
I am suddenly reminded of Sensei Seth in red full-body armour...
Let’s be real. We need exactly two olympics sports to be real main stream sports. A) biathalon- because skiing then stopping to shoot your rifle is amazing, and B) curling! Because curling is the greatest feat of athleticism I’ve ever seen.
Same goes with fencing, olympic style fencing is so watered down that if you stab your opponent a 5th of a second faster than they hit you, you somehow win...now the athletic side of olypmic fencing is incredible but they throw down the water all real technique just to hit first, like your opponent magically dies with a single touch...
Yes, you opponent dies with a single touch, and somehow you don't with his single touch. Or maybe he is supposed to get vanished as in infinity gauntlet.
No, your opponent doesn't die from a single touch, he gets erased from existence from a single touch, for your foil is a (HITACHI) Magic Wand.
So they're basically going to allow only elbows. Kicks for taekwondo, punches to head for boxing.
Edit, maybe knees.
Imagine 2 players keep trying to throw spinning elbows like a beyblade match
@@jaketheasianguy3307 I would legit pay a lot of money to see that. Human beyblades
But if you make your opponent bleed... DQ 😂
I feel like there should be a sporting event like the Olympics, just for martial arts. This way everyone could have their national art in this event instead of the Olympics, without watering it down, making everyone happy (hopefully)
It's kind of interesting paradox in that in order to get honesty in your martial art you need it to be pressure tested against a resisting opponent. This usually happens in the form of competition. However, once it turns over to the olympics it turns to more focusing on rules than performance.
Just look at what happened to Judo. Lots of funding poured in, but they eventually banned leg grabs! Also, many places where wrestling is mainstream, like mongolia, they have their own rules and spend a vast majority of time fighting in that ruleset which is totally different from Olympic wrestling.
Ramsey! Thank you for another first rate video. Your MMA IQ and mental acuity is rather impressive. I love and admire you. Pure respect.
Ramsey is spot on! This really is a younger persons idea. 35+ still remember the Olympic Robbery of Roy Jones Jr! And that’s just one example. And how does the guy who gets KOed in a Karate tourney get a Gold? Epitome of a participation trophy at that point. The Olympics are joke to me now.
Because the other person broke the rules. If someone killed the other person that doesn't mean that they should win.
@@gyroninjamodder he didn't kill him though, he just got KO'ed, I mean you don't want it to happen a lot but it happens its not that big of a deal man. You are not going to die from one KO. (Im talking about in the ring, not on the streets where your head can hit concrete etc)
@@gyroninjamodder and I mean seriously... maybe MMA is not your thing (not you, in general) if you are worried about being KO'ed. Its one of those things man. Watch Khabib just walk people down and not worry about being KO'ed. Its impressive man!
Love the channel. I see what you mean. A good example is pro boxing compared to olympic boxing. Pro boxing for all of its flaws is a legit combat sport while olympic boxing is basically a glorified tag game. Not saying the participants aren't great athletes or tough guys but the nature of the competition itself leaves something to be desired.
I don't really blame the Olympic I blame the governing bodies and the way funding is given out. Its up to the club to teach traditional, combat and sport.
They should just bring kickboxing to the Olympics.
Hell no. All combat sports should be kept out of Olympic.
Ramsay, perdón que sea Off-Topic. Soy uno de tus seguidores argentinos, quería saber si podrías contar un poco de tu experiencia misionando acá. Sería muy interesante!
Un día quizás
@@RamseyDewey I always forget that you Mormons do missionary work abroad.
How old were you? The boys doing that here still have milk beards ^^
I was a missionary between the ages of 19-21
@@RamseyDewey to what degree can u harden ur gut and ribs by hitting yourself with a stick like shaolin monks do?
I mean u can eat up those body shots.
Apoyo la moción con gran violencia jajajaja!
I agree, I love jujitsu the way it is man. I’ve competed in a few small promotions and those were fun because the rule set is simple and most the subs not allowed to lower belts makes sense.
The Olympics used to be so special and had a certain "Aura" about it. I went to the opening ceremony for the 2000 Olympic games and watched a couple of the events and just the buzz about the Olympics at the time was big but now the "Aura" of the Olympics has very much faded out and whenever they come along I'm usually like "Oh dear, that's not gonna be good for their economy"
I was actually really confused and angry by the DQ win for getting knocked out, they essentially gave a win for bad defense. I used to say that I think MMA should be in the Olympics but given how bad Taekwondo is now it's a really really hard pass on having MMA in the games, I mean even as MMA is now I feel there's too many rules so god forbid what the IOC would do to it.
Seriously, the Olympics used to feel like how we determined The Best in the World. Even before this karate gold I felt like that wasn't really the case. And now... it's basically really expensive intermurals.
Agreed my taekwondo master says there is the Olympic sport and then there’s fighting. He’s teaching me to fight if I want to compete that’ll be slightly different than the way he’s teaching me to fight. He has made this clear especially when he’s showing self-defense techniques that are definitely outlawed in the Olympics.
I think Pencak Silat would probably do pretty well in the Olympics. It has a pretty unique ruleset and is "safe" enough for the Olympics
Isn’t sport silat similar to taekwondo with sweeps ?
@@someboi4903 yeah pretty much, they could change the ruleset a bit to emphasize the tripping aspect I suppose
Wushu in the Olympics, sure, it's already so focused min-maxing that it's not like being in the Olympics would make it worse.
Muay thai in the Olympics is like playing Akuma but using Chun Li move list. Just imagine Akuma doing a 'kikoken' - his butt high in the air.
No.
Karate and TKD was just humiliated in the Olympics. Judo banned leg grabs and now the sport isn’t as good as it was. Wrestling is the only sport not yet mutilated by the Olympics and it will eventually
Just to add my personal experience, in mine and neighboring Slavic countries and Turkey - wrestling is very famous and have some very successful coaches and gyms. A lot of young guy even if doesn't train consistently have trained in some part of their lives if not for years then at least for days. I would not say that 'everybody' did it, but a considerably part of the young students. Wrestling and weightlifting are very well developed and related gyms are usually well equipped and very cheap. Also it's social pressure for young men to be in good shape and that 'sport is the way' which I don't consider bad at all especially considering the alternatives.
I guess it's inevitable now, Olympics confirmed it would be included in 2024 Olympics
Oh no
@@RamseyDewey oh wait I was wrong they confirmed it in 2028 not 2024
Coach your point on Wrestling is profound. Prior to the Olympics Wrestling & Wrestling Champions were FrontPage News. They truly were International sporting celebrity’s.
I watched the tk and judo gold medal matches. I was put into a cringe induced coma. Didn't the Olympics used to wrestle to the death?
Yes and no, the ancient olympic committee made a point to limit death
Ancient Olympic wrestling was to submission. Wrestlers submitted by raising their index finger. One wrestler was notorious for breaking his opponents fingers so they couldn’t signal submission.
@@RamseyDewey That sounds pretty brutal, the treatment back then might be worse than the injury.
the real benefit of being olympic is that many countries may invest state money to its practice and diffusion, thus increasing number of practitioners and competitive level of the sport, then institutions wont care about the sport they'll just comply to olimpic committee to keep the sport on it ... and that's the sad story of judo
Agreed, I used to train in fencing in school but it has turned into something that isn't even really simulating a duel anymore. They have wires coming out of these whip antennas w/ a bowl guard on it. Don't handle anything like a sword & the rules are comical.
Judo guy here. How i wish the great demolishing of 2009 never happened. Judo is a fun sport but illegitimate as a martial art now :'(
Kickboxing and Muay Thai will be on a test/trial in 2024 if it goes well it will officially be in the 2028 Olympics. Muay Thai will have shin guards and elbow pads.It would be under IFMA rules
Where did you read this, this is interesting
@@Rei-uk3qt Muay Thai will be overseen by IFMA and kickboxing will be overseen by WAKO. I personally talked to the president of USA WAKO kickboxing
Amateur Muay Thai is recognized by the the IOC and with that rule that host countries can choose some sports pretty much guarantees that it will go to the Olympics if Thailand ever hosts the Olympics.
If I had my way, Judo and Karate would never be in the Olympics
2021 Olympics Taekwondo looks nothing like what Master Choy and Grand Master jhoon Rhee were teaching in the 80s.
BJJ will also get destroyed when it becomes an olympic sport in 10 or so years.
I absolutely DON'T want BJJ in the Olympics. IBJJF might not be ideal, but the Olympics would find a way to make it worse. They'd probably take out submissions and stand-up, and start one competitor in the other's guard. BJJ needs to go in the opposite direction - submission only bouts that go longer than 5 minutes.
What I really don't understand is why Olympic-sanctioned karate rules make KO's illegal, but TWD rules encourage brutal head kick KOs.
Like, I get it, differentiation and all. But that's just so bizarre.
From what I understood, it wasn't that he KOed the guy, it's that he did it "too hard" 🙄
@@thefaboo the "too hard" ruling was mostly made due to the fact that he KO'd his opponent, per the judge's words.
@@harjutapa Ah, gotcha. So weird....
Hey Ramsey ive been doing WT Tkd since about 08',the sparring we do went from using Traditional Hogus to Electronic ones which made scoring kicks to the body really weird so then you see people invent crap like monkey kicks and scorpion kicks because the uncertainty of the chest gear and instep protector instead of good ol power shots also to score a head kick you just need to place 1 toe on the opponent lol so KO's even though is a valid way to win its a rare occurrence.
Wow. My last Taekwondo competition was around 2004 when I went pro as a kickboxer. This news is… so sad.
That noodly leg-something is embarrassing to see, coming from itf tkd, I remember I used to admire some wtf kicks, now they all seem uncontrolled and almost comical. I hope itf remains a separate thing.
@@Hy-jg8ow same! I really like ITF looks more balanced and less watered down.
@@Hy-jg8ow ITF is indeed much better than WT.
I love doing Olympic weightlifting, and there are SERIOUS issues with the judging and rules surrounding pressouts. There were many 2021 PR makes which were poorly judged as no lifts.....
I’m noticing a lot of what you’re saying mirroring Olympic fencing.
Fencing is, technically, a combat sport. It's also one of the ones that's been in the Olympics the longest.
Except Olympic fencing is not fencing. You want to see real fencing, look HEMA.
@@GuitarsRockForever HEMA is an entirely different sort of sword fighting than that which Olympic fencing was originally developed to teach (that being the styles of sword fencing which were actually in legitimate combat use during the era); which was late eighteen century and early nineteenth century rapier, smallsword, and military saber fencing; particularly that of England and Prussia.
Olympic Taekwondo has gone from an effective fighting style to competitive scissoring.
I was forced to play Handball and volleyball at school. Strange 80 and 90’s here in Brazil. Football was forbidden, they said we already played too much in the street. I am not making this shit up.
Wtf..... I didn't know Karate got into Olympics. Apparently French Olympic committee replaced Karate with Break Dancing lmao.
My taekwondo instructor hates the olympic rules. Whenever we have a match or spar, he allows actual contact and encourages that. Instead of trying to score points by touch other guys armor.
The IOC is a corrupt clown show. Hard No from me.
so for handball, imagine water polo but out of the pool and all the stuff they do to each other is actually illegal....
I actually used to play handball when I was in highschool, it's a pretty fun sport
Imagine the look on Buakawn's face, getting disqualified for striking too hard.
Don't wanna, too painful, as paradoxical it sounds...
Handball is pretty common here in Europe. In Germany and eastern Europe it's super popular
They're called Olympic Games for a reason. It's where every sport is gamefied.
I just want more people to watch muay thai. I wish they could just keep the rules the way they are
I've never seen the Olympic version of handball but I've played a version in NYC where you hit a small ball with your hand against the wall and it has a lot of similarities to tennis rules. It can be played 1v1 or 2v2. As far as I can remember, I haven't seen these courts in the U.S. outside of NYC.
Same thing happened to catch wrestling, the Olympic banned all the submission moves.
I think sports are more mainstream outside the olympics...u have MMA becuz of UFC, wrestling and "pro wrestling" becuz of WWE, Basketball cuz of NBA, Football cuz of FIFA. Olympic really doesn't add anything to the mainstream sports other than keeping the traditions alive with the ancient sports like running, javelin, high jump etc...that's all. It does nothing but give a sense of branding to these traditional sports. Hence in a sense keeping them alive.
Agreed. Hell no. I can just see how “patty cake” the sport would be in the Olympics.
Haven't Olympic/college wrestling been a big asset for American MMA?
Wrestling is basically the least bastardized Olympic combat sport, as wrestling was already a pretty highly specialized (and, by that standard, incomplete) art by the time it entered the Olympics. Greco-Roman wrestling doesn't allow double-leg takedowns, perhaps the most instinctual grappling move of a species that was designed to fight via grappling.
If they treat it like they did Sport Climbing it’s a very HARD NO for me
Edit: The Point Comp. was a flashback to the 70’s & Olympic MT would look like Full Contact Karate from the same era
TRUTHS!!! I did WTF TKD shortly after Rogan's era. We went for the KO all the time. I couldn't get through the gold medal match in my old weight class this year because it was BORING! I boxed in the golden gloves, but I hate Olympic boxing for the robberies to Jones Jr. and Mayweather. Finally, I competed as a Nak muay and I'm HORRIFIED that they want to add my favorite striking sport to the Olympics especially after the Karate debacle. NO Olympics! No. Bad Olympics. Put muay thai down and leave it alone.
I totally agree. Even thought it would be cool to reprecent my country in Olympics, i still dont want Muay Thai to get watered down and ruined
I totally agree. I guess the main problem is not just the Sport, but the officials behind it. The organisations try to create a business and milk the cow. So the Art turn into Sport and Sport turn into Business. This is not always totally Bad for the sport, but often. The olympic commission had the idea to drop wresting out of the Olympics. They say, peoples are not Interested in wrestling...they mean there is no big business.
I find it remarkable that karate dumbed down itself without the help by the IOC
sterling and now that Iranian guy who got the gold after getting dropped....WOW.
I can see why they watered down karate and tae kwon do in the Olympics. They're not intending to mess it up, they just want to minimize the risk of athletes getting injured, especially with each sport having events on multiple days
Mma should be an olympic sport. It isnt tied to any country and is still exciting to watch even if nerfed by removing down elbows, soccer kicks, etc.
7:54 no one watches handball, however it's mainstream in my town (not in my country) because there was this one PE teacher that was obssesed with it and we trained that for like 4 years straight and he organised a lot of events, kinda funny story.
i cannot understand what happened in that karate match, if i where knocked out i would simply give up my gold medal to the guy who actually won the fight
I really enjoy how informative and insightful your videos are. I wish I was as knowledgeable as you are.