Thank you very much for the lap Misha, was a pleasure meeting you and Lapo and doing a lap. Upon further investigation, the cause of the body roll is either the fact that you have 100kg of useless weight in the passenger seat 🤣 since the car is corner balanced for driver only without a passenger and a passenger seat or the fact that the suspension might be a bit too low (also in part due to the 100kg of useless weight), hence the rubbing which doesn't really happen when I go out on track. As always, rarely everything goes right when being on the track and I will be back next year with more power, aero and an even better suspension setup. I hope everybody enjoys the lap. P.S. My facial expressions are priceless, during the lap I thought I had none.
Great balanced cars when given the right arbs and roll stiffness. The problem here is the KW V3, shocks are good springs are very soft F30nm R50nm. Use the 50 on the front buy a set of 70 for the rear and buy some arb's, done 😉
@@coolguy_2997 most people just drop the V6 into it, they can make really good power and I believe they end up lighter than dropping a blower on with an intercooler
The body roll isn’t always because the springs are too soft. Often times, if you lower a car below its intended CG without changing other components (like roll centre and bump steer correction) you will get more body roll. The owner needs to go to a proper Motorsport shop to get it dialed in. It could be something as simple as stiffer anti-roll bars, but you have to consider all the mods done to change alignment characteristics.
this! People often are just getting lower, because "lowering center of gravity", but with that, they are often making longer lever between roll center and center of gravity. And because of that > creating way more body roll. Just getting suspension lowered is not better. It's good to actually measure how suspension behaves, and to check if we are not getting in such trap, so we will not end up with too stiff springs and rollbars, that will screw us over more.
Considering adjustable suspension arms with uniballs usually have some spacers between the arm and the ball joints, adjusting the roll centre shouldn't be too hard. It is a constant fight with roll centre on these light convertables though haha. Removing the weight of the soft top and passenger will probs also really help reduce sideways forces in a car this light.
You don't need a shop, you need trial and error.... Tis the way of the gearhead. Why pay premium prices for shop fees when you can start chipping away at your car, finding the weak points to upgrade as you push it. A shop will give you a cookie cutter, a gearhead will create a proper track weapon.
Full stiff on the shocks = full rebound damping, meaning the loaded side will tend to ‘jack down’ as it traverses bumps (when the spring can’t sufficiently re-extend in time against damping pressure + cornering loads). With these springs, backing off on the rebound setting *might* help solve some of the sluggishness and body roll. This is purely theoretical.
I love when people bring their cars to Dr. Misha for diagnostic evaluations and treatment assessments. His disappointment face when Misha mentioned that the suspension is a bit to the soft side, priceless 😂👌🏼
Re: body roll, according to Pieter Zeelie, who modified his 800hp + MR2 to a time attack monster, the limiting factor in the suspension is the MacPherson strut in the rear. So he engineered a double wishbone.
I got to ride in a friend’s MR2 Spyder with the 1ZZ and drive it with the 2ZZ (can’t remember what transmission was used). What a freaking world of difference! Car felt abnormally mellow and unexciting with the 1ZZ which is essentially the same engine in basic Corollas from that era. 2ZZ feels meant to be but I understand the whole Lotus thing. Amazing and underrated cars! I wish I got to experience it more, but it sure had a fun factor in the twisties similar to my NA6 Miata (where even nowhere near the limits it is entertaining). Reminded me of a mix between my MX-5 and the old AP1 S2000 I had, probably the 8k rpm 6000+ rpm lift 2ZZ engine note and character. I want one!! Glad to see on this channel hopefully he comes back more dialed in, he seems to want to 👏
I have a 2zz swapped spyder and it is a perfect swap for the car. I just drove my buddys s2k over the summer and have no regrets with my decision on 2zz swapping my car.
@@dielaughing73 i mean my 2zz swapped spyder is essentially an elise but with power steering, abs, and a full interior. Just no double wishbone suspension.
Just look at what Asano-san did with the MR-S. The Techno Pro Spirit tuned MR-S was the first 2zz swapped. Nowadays it's a very capable car, with one of the finest tuning.
I have an MR2 Spyder right now I got back in May and it already has a blown motor and instead of being responsible and getting rid of it, I'm just seeing the light at the end of the tunnel (that being the 2ZZ) and holding onto it hahaha. I'm quite a while away from having it back up and running with a 2ZZ but it just seems like it'll be worth it in the end from the sound, the power, the design of the engine, I'm excited! lol
I doubt it needs stiffer springs. He's talking about body roll and turn in. You should be able to tune that out with camber/toe/stabilizer bar adjustments. The limits on this car are very high for the power level. It seems like one of the few builds where nearly everything else is good except the power. That might be partially the gearbox thing he was talking about. You may be able to fix that as well by simply adjusting the final drive ratio to a higher numerical number. I don't know what's available for toyota diffs but that would probably solve it. Impressive car overall though.
Nice MR-S with the famous 2ZZ swap. It would be great if Misha could get the hand on Techno Pro Spirit MR-S, Asano-san the owner would be glad to let you show the potential of it. He's literally the first tuner who performed the 2zz swap. Nowadays it's MR-S is one of the finest and advanced tuning of its kind.
Would love to see a mark2 MR2 (1990-99) on the channel. K swap and 2gr v6 swap are popular choices now, but original 3sgte (especially later revisions) can scoot as well.
I have done the same swap and here is a worthy experience: Original midpipe/ cat has a bottle neck which costs at least 20whp. If you want full 2ZZ power you need at least the original 2ZZ header (slightly bent to fit over the subframe) with orig. or 200 cells cat or you buy the PPE header and you will have 200hp safe or more. The upgrade 8s really worth it. Regards from Germany
I just wanted to say this. When I used my MR2 on track, even an average person added 2 seconds on a 2-minute track and the car was so different. It's a single seater.
in a car like this (and also a Lotus Elise early ones) it makes a big difference if you drive on your own or with a passenger......i know from "experience"....
This 2zz ge is the toyota vtec. Lift kicks in around 6k rpm gotta really rev this engine to keep it in power band but somehow seems this one kicks in later around 7k
@@TurboInstynkteffectivement le 2zzge VVTL-I possede le meme systeme que le vtec du calage variable à l admission et à l'echappement avec declenchement du "lift" (vtec) à 6000tours/min. Tandis que le VVTI le calage variable est uniquement à l'admission.
Correctly setup with what's on there and then see what needs changing. There's a point you get to (when changing loads of stuff on the suspension) that it will need setting up properly (RC and COG etc)
cool to see a 2zz spyder being strung out on the ring. owning one i can see the lack of power on the straights but overall fast corners from how light they are can just carry speed.
I had a JDM MR-S (MR2) a couple of years ago, it only had the stock 1zz engine - but man, I loved that car. It looks great in white with black OZ F1 wheels and factory TRD bodykit.
Body roll is not always bad. That being said, KW’s coilover kits for MR2 have laughably soft springs, like 2/3kg or something, that are barely stiffer than lowering springs. You can’t counter that with stiff damper settings. Whiteline swaybars work great on this car. Also, Misha, you were shortshifting, that’s why you were off the powerband ;)
Awesome video. I have a very similar built zzw30. 2zz 6 speed swapped with 4.3 final is pretty solid for the swap. I definitely feel like i need more aero in the front because it gets crazy light at speed.
It looks like a swap header with the stock or stock style midpipe. Change that to a proper header and pick up 20whp. I dynoed 154whp with MWR swap header and stock midpipe. Changed to ppe and made 176whp
So, owner was right it has short ratio 6MT aka Toyota C64, based on 1st/2nd/3rd max speed at 8000rpm. Or maybe Toyota C60, since those two shared the first 5 gears with exception of C64 has 250kph max speed at 6th, while C60 can theoretically goes 280kph. Also, it never went to 6th. 😅
I owned a 2zz celica with 6 gears. The car was super fun to drive although heavy for that engine. Surprisingly also I went through 2 different engines, seems everyone blow these engines up. go figure.
Oh hell ya, I remember drifting in an MR2, snap oversteer my ass, just grab her by the scruff of the neck, and the chassis is so balanced she slides right through. Hope you guys had a blast, great light weight car for the track.
I believe the reason for the somewhat 'long' ratios is that the differential is probably the taller of the 3 that were available in the C5x/C6x transmissions. I think almost all the euro models got a 3.9:1 version, whereas us here in Australia got a 4.51:1 ratio, which significantly changes the way the car behaves.
Watching the speed and the rpm drops of each gear change, the gearing is actually not that long. The ratios are closely spaced, I think the motor just lacks power. Or maybe the rev range where there is enough power is just too short. Or maybe Honda K series is the answer 😅
@@stratman9449 yup which is weird considering 2ZZ is one of the VERY few Toyota engines that featured variable valve lift. Maybe this is a simple matter of the ECU tune not developed well enough.
Uphill part of the track with 2 talls guys make any MR-S 2ZZ swaped slower than it is. At 5:12 you see a Renault Clio 4 RS. On straight line, the MR-S 2ZZ keep up with the Clio 4 RS. So, the car is not slow, but the uphill parts of the track show the lack of torque of the 2ZZ.
@@stratman9449 I don't know what is happening in this car because the normal lift Rev band is 6200 RPM to 8200 RPM... Here the lift is kick later...Around 6500 or 6600 RPM...
For those who says it's slow.... well I was wondering why. My 2zz lift kicks in at 6k rpm, but Lotus has his lift set to 6.700 rpm unfortunately and you can even hear it that it kick in pretty late. All the uphils are under lift and under the lift it is basically 1zz engine what makes 100kw..... if there would be better transmittion and Toyota ECU it would be way way better.
great drive as always, something seemed really quite off with the car, the gear ratio's seemed quite short, i mean it was barely capable of getting passed 130mph/220kph, only downhill with a stiff breeze behind it, so quite short considering stock the cars top speed is around that with 138bhp. 2zz is like 190bhp right? it seemed down on power and ofcourse torque on those hills. credit to the owner though, obvious work in progress and tha car is always cool to see.
That is more of a oil heat exchanger. It will only cool down to coolant temps. If you have high coolant temps then does not do such a good job of removing heat.
I've commented before on the previous MRS/MR2 Spyder video that Misha drove, I learned watching Gears and gasoline when Ben Lin built his MRS/MR2 Spyder, the front has a lot of chassis flex and when Ben had the roll cage built, they re-enforced the front end of the chassis with what looked like a tube cross member welded across the front of some sort. 2ZZ is I'm hearing an expensive swap today?
I don’t really understand why people proposed the 2ZZ as good value. Majority of MRS don’t have the desirable 6 speed to keep the 2ZZ in its power band. End up replacing or upgrading everything might as well start with a K series
@@tougefrogThe 2zz swap is fairly unobtrusive, just engine, maybe a transmission, a header, a smidge of wiring and an ECU. The K requires an engine, a transmission, new mounts, new axles, a completely different wiring harness, an aftermarket ECU and a full exhaust. While 2zz costs are increasing, it's still significantly cheaper and easier to swap a 2zz over a K, which often ends up costing $7k-12k all in.
I 2zz swapped my mr2 spyder 2 years ago. Swap was definitely not a budget swap and I paid roughly $6500. Bought everything from monkeywrenchracing. Definitely hurt spending more than what I paid on the car but thinking in terms of 10k builds builds it's a heavy hitter.
@Misha Charoudin I love your videos and thank you for sharing and creating them. I'm wondering if it would be possible to make a series of videos describing what you feel on the ring. In a lot of your video's, breaks, temperature, and suspension are mentioned. I'm interested in the breaks, you mention not to push through the ABS. How would you know if you were doing that? You mention that you're using all of your leg force to slow down a car with "cooked" brakes. What would be a normal braking pressure road compared to the track. And how do stock and upgraded brakes feel and perform on the track and road? I would love it if you could make some technical videos explaining the differences, and give some commentary and tips, about what to do if the brake pedal goes to the floor, or if the ABS kick in etc etc. It's a lot of questions I know, but a few technical videos explaining, suspension, braking, cooling, power etc I think would be amazing, I hope you see this, Or I I will comment this on all of your posts 😅 in the kindest of ways.
I had similar issues with mine on the back straight, 5th gear it hit a wall basically but I have a big wing on the back so I put it down to that. My car also makes about 25 more hp then stock.
you should show the temp gage so we can get a sense of how heatsoaked the block can get and how fast, y'know, to ballpark an illustration on reliability.
Because i had the corolla e12 Tsport with the same engine the gearbox is factory. I had the exact same kmh to the limiter. Monkey Wrench ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
its pisible he has the c65 gearbox. its about the same as the c161 i had on my 4age. he should look for a c64 from a t sport celica. then i would be the perfect combination.
Yeah, over 100 km/h in 2nd gear is not very short gearing, especially for a lower power engine. It’s geared like a 5 speed transmission, so it seems like 6th must still be an overdrive gear
Misread at first, thought "wow a 2j in a Mistertwo", sadness ensued. Engine sounds remarkably close to a 4age. If you ignore the higher rev limit anyway.
2ZZ is such a good little engine... You're not going to be blown away with its power 😂 but that thing takes a beating like nothing! Is not coincidence that is use in the most reliable car Toyota makes... Toyota Camry... 😂
2zz never saw light of day inside a camry. Besides being an 1.8L, its the only toyota motor to feature valve lift (or vtec). the later generation xrs for usa and canada used the camry 2.4 2az but nothing fancy about that one, besides the massive oil burning issue.
The 2ZZ "was" a good engine when it was released. Now, it's not a reliable engine anymore. Years and owner's experiences shows that the engine is not made for strong track use. It produce a lot of blow-by, be sure to check oil consumption, lifts bolts need to be check then replaced, camshaft lobe wear, water pump failure, C60/64 gearbox that don't like torque, failed 3/4th gears mostly. The engine can't be bored or honed but need to get sleeve if rebuilt (meaning expensive rebuild).
I agree though, it was its weak links, only a person who truly likes the motor would go thru the trouble of upgrading and doign stuff to it but for that is best to just do a K swap like 99% of the world does
@@JAVIERFSG3Doing a 2ZZ swap the less expensive, you have to get a 2ZZ engine, a modified oil dipstick, a 2ZZ ECU, a modified 2ZZ Celica exhaust header, keep the 1ZZ harness and doing some minors wiring. That pretty much all. K swap into an MR2 Spyder is just a lot more expensive and you have to face against different problems.
Please could you tell me what was the maximum coolant temperature that the engine got to on the lap? And which length laminova do you use? also, is the laminova fitted before or after the radiator? Hard to see in the video, Thank you
I also run a Koyorad upgraded radiator. Coolant temp never goes above 95 degrees. Oil can get to 120, but never above no matter how much I push it now. The cooler is Laminova C43-330, the longest one there is.
I track an MR2 Spyder. That car is way too low for an MR2 Spyder, it's strut front. Track Spyders ride high, you raise the spring rates to make up for it. Misha needs to drive a properly setup Spyder.
Bulgaria's history in high-performance computing (HPC) goes back several decades, at the time when it was the only socialist country to design and manufacture supercomputers. Just a little respect to the man and his country!
needs 200lbs weight reduction. lol. new cams lotus ecu lotus supercharger upgraded valve springs change fuel fuel cutoff to redline to cut ignition instead at 8750 rpm larger water pump pully (reduce cavitation at high rpm and increase cooling) add a plywood splitter maybe another suspension vendor, they need to really setup the shimstack correctly to take the carousel and bumpers better
Thank you very much for the lap Misha, was a pleasure meeting you and Lapo and doing a lap. Upon further investigation, the cause of the body roll is either the fact that you have 100kg of useless weight in the passenger seat 🤣 since the car is corner balanced for driver only without a passenger and a passenger seat or the fact that the suspension might be a bit too low (also in part due to the 100kg of useless weight), hence the rubbing which doesn't really happen when I go out on track. As always, rarely everything goes right when being on the track and I will be back next year with more power, aero and an even better suspension setup. I hope everybody enjoys the lap.
P.S. My facial expressions are priceless, during the lap I thought I had none.
Great balanced cars when given the right arbs and roll stiffness. The problem here is the KW V3, shocks are good springs are very soft F30nm R50nm. Use the 50 on the front buy a set of 70 for the rear and buy some arb's, done 😉
Nice car!:) Supercharge it!:) but don’t forget to install a proper intercooler
How did you blow up your first engine? Was it after pushing it very hard for long time or?
@@AlexIv115 drop a Camry v6 in it that’s your private orchestra and gives a decent push as well 😎
@@coolguy_2997 most people just drop the V6 into it, they can make really good power and I believe they end up lighter than dropping a blower on with an intercooler
The body roll isn’t always because the springs are too soft. Often times, if you lower a car below its intended CG without changing other components (like roll centre and bump steer correction) you will get more body roll. The owner needs to go to a proper Motorsport shop to get it dialed in. It could be something as simple as stiffer anti-roll bars, but you have to consider all the mods done to change alignment characteristics.
this! People often are just getting lower, because "lowering center of gravity", but with that, they are often making longer lever between roll center and center of gravity. And because of that > creating way more body roll. Just getting suspension lowered is not better. It's good to actually measure how suspension behaves, and to check if we are not getting in such trap, so we will not end up with too stiff springs and rollbars, that will screw us over more.
@@TqmmPl when I saw the car go through the carousel, it didn’t appear to be too soft. 😂
Considering adjustable suspension arms with uniballs usually have some spacers between the arm and the ball joints, adjusting the roll centre shouldn't be too hard. It is a constant fight with roll centre on these light convertables though haha.
Removing the weight of the soft top and passenger will probs also really help reduce sideways forces in a car this light.
You don't need a shop, you need trial and error....
Tis the way of the gearhead. Why pay premium prices for shop fees when you can start chipping away at your car, finding the weak points to upgrade as you push it.
A shop will give you a cookie cutter, a gearhead will create a proper track weapon.
Full stiff on the shocks = full rebound damping, meaning the loaded side will tend to ‘jack down’ as it traverses bumps (when the spring can’t sufficiently re-extend in time against damping pressure + cornering loads). With these springs, backing off on the rebound setting *might* help solve some of the sluggishness and body roll. This is purely theoretical.
I love when people bring their cars to Dr. Misha for diagnostic evaluations and treatment assessments. His disappointment face when Misha mentioned that the suspension is a bit to the soft side, priceless 😂👌🏼
Re: body roll, according to Pieter Zeelie, who modified his 800hp + MR2 to a time attack monster, the limiting factor in the suspension is the MacPherson strut in the rear. So he engineered a double wishbone.
I got to ride in a friend’s MR2 Spyder with the 1ZZ and drive it with the 2ZZ (can’t remember what transmission was used). What a freaking world of difference! Car felt abnormally mellow and unexciting with the 1ZZ which is essentially the same engine in basic Corollas from that era. 2ZZ feels meant to be but I understand the whole Lotus thing.
Amazing and underrated cars! I wish I got to experience it more, but it sure had a fun factor in the twisties similar to my NA6 Miata (where even nowhere near the limits it is entertaining). Reminded me of a mix between my MX-5 and the old AP1 S2000 I had, probably the 8k rpm 6000+ rpm lift 2ZZ engine note and character. I want one!! Glad to see on this channel hopefully he comes back more dialed in, he seems to want to 👏
I have a 2zz swapped spyder and it is a perfect swap for the car. I just drove my buddys s2k over the summer and have no regrets with my decision on 2zz swapping my car.
What's the whole Lotus thing? I know they put this engine in Elises
@@dielaughing73 i mean my 2zz swapped spyder is essentially an elise but with power steering, abs, and a full interior. Just no double wishbone suspension.
Just look at what Asano-san did with the MR-S. The Techno Pro Spirit tuned MR-S was the first 2zz swapped. Nowadays it's a very capable car, with one of the finest tuning.
I have an MR2 Spyder right now I got back in May and it already has a blown motor and instead of being responsible and getting rid of it, I'm just seeing the light at the end of the tunnel (that being the 2ZZ) and holding onto it hahaha. I'm quite a while away from having it back up and running with a 2ZZ but it just seems like it'll be worth it in the end from the sound, the power, the design of the engine, I'm excited! lol
I drove one of these back in the days,you were barely using the brakes on these.It was literally glued to the road even in stock form.
Didnt expect Bulgarian car in Misha’s channel, but here we go 😁🇧🇬
the guy did a very good job with his MR2.....
You should expect every kind of car on this channel
I doubt it needs stiffer springs. He's talking about body roll and turn in. You should be able to tune that out with camber/toe/stabilizer bar adjustments. The limits on this car are very high for the power level. It seems like one of the few builds where nearly everything else is good except the power. That might be partially the gearbox thing he was talking about. You may be able to fix that as well by simply adjusting the final drive ratio to a higher numerical number. I don't know what's available for toyota diffs but that would probably solve it. Impressive car overall though.
C60/64 which is the ones that comes in the 2zz has a 4.52 final drive but the gear ratios aren't as aggressive to what the k20s are
This MR two is like what you get on Gran Turismo before you do all the tracks. I haven’t played Gran Turismo since the original PlayStation version.
Nice MR-S with the famous 2ZZ swap.
It would be great if Misha could get the hand on Techno Pro Spirit MR-S, Asano-san the owner would be glad to let you show the potential of it. He's literally the first tuner who performed the 2zz swap. Nowadays it's MR-S is one of the finest and advanced tuning of its kind.
Would love to see a mark2 MR2 (1990-99) on the channel. K swap and 2gr v6 swap are popular choices now, but original 3sgte (especially later revisions) can scoot as well.
I have done the same swap and here is a worthy experience: Original midpipe/ cat has a bottle neck which costs at least 20whp. If you want full 2ZZ power you need at least the original 2ZZ header (slightly bent to fit over the subframe) with orig. or 200 cells cat or you buy the PPE header and you will have 200hp safe or more. The upgrade 8s really worth it. Regards from Germany
Two big lads in a 1000kg car will cause some roll if pushed
Good point! ☝️
Exactly:)
I just wanted to say this.
When I used my MR2 on track, even an average person added 2 seconds on a 2-minute track and the car was so different. It's a single seater.
in a car like this (and also a Lotus Elise early ones) it makes a big difference if you drive on your own or with a passenger......i know from "experience"....
I think it's a Lotus engine, at least I think the engine cover said Lotus lol.
This 2zz ge is the toyota vtec. Lift kicks in around 6k rpm gotta really rev this engine to keep it in power band but somehow seems this one kicks in later around 7k
VVT-i is the Toyota VTEC
@@juffurey Not VVT-i but VVTL-i, and 2zz-ge has lift like 'vtec'; because it's a VVTL-i engine
@@TurboInstynkteffectivement le 2zzge VVTL-I possede le meme systeme que le vtec du calage variable à l admission et à l'echappement avec declenchement du "lift" (vtec) à 6000tours/min. Tandis que le VVTI le calage variable est uniquement à l'admission.
@@TurboInstynkt ah thanks I didn't know that.
I have the same swap done on my spyder and I've definetely heard people say that or that it sounded like a baby e46 m3
Nice owner he is proud of his car,respect for the roadtrip!
Correctly setup with what's on there and then see what needs changing. There's a point you get to (when changing loads of stuff on the suspension) that it will need setting up properly (RC and COG etc)
Great advice. Too many changes will just confuse the matter
Damn sounds good this engine.. "Vtec" Vvti just hit 👌 Perfect engine for this little nimble car! Great lap 👌
2zz is such a great engine for light cars
Because it makes no power :') Uphill it even slows down..
@@marvinvisser5039 it makes 190+bhp. I think you mean torque.
@BlackLines torque is there. Otherwise, it wouldn't produce 190hp. Gears need to be shorter.
@@vvevvevvvv if the gears were shorter you'd lose top-end speed.
@@UKVSteve They're not even using 6th gear, so probably not. They're definitely not running out of gear up top.
cool to see a 2zz spyder being strung out on the ring.
owning one i can see the lack of power on the straights but overall fast corners from how light they are can just carry speed.
I had a JDM MR-S (MR2) a couple of years ago, it only had the stock 1zz engine - but man, I loved that car. It looks great in white with black OZ F1 wheels and factory TRD bodykit.
Body roll is not always bad. That being said, KW’s coilover kits for MR2 have laughably soft springs, like 2/3kg or something, that are barely stiffer than lowering springs. You can’t counter that with stiff damper settings. Whiteline swaybars work great on this car. Also, Misha, you were shortshifting, that’s why you were off the powerband ;)
Awesome video. I have a very similar built zzw30. 2zz 6 speed swapped with 4.3 final is pretty solid for the swap. I definitely feel like i need more aero in the front because it gets crazy light at speed.
Браво човек, много е яка. От кога чакам български коли при Миша.
It looks like a swap header with the stock or stock style midpipe. Change that to a proper header and pick up 20whp. I dynoed 154whp with MWR swap header and stock midpipe. Changed to ppe and made 176whp
So, owner was right it has short ratio 6MT aka Toyota C64, based on 1st/2nd/3rd max speed at 8000rpm.
Or maybe Toyota C60, since those two shared the first 5 gears with exception of C64 has 250kph max speed at 6th, while C60 can theoretically goes 280kph.
Also, it never went to 6th. 😅
Great sounds. Obviously a very driver engaging car. Awesome lap. Thanks Misha!! 🎉2
Has something most cars don’t have nowadays, SOUL🔥
full nurburgring, love it. What a car! What a drive! Those videos always make my day.
that engine sound❤, totally miss my old Corolla T-Sport
You need to drive a 2gr swapped mr2 I think you will appreciate the power band in that chassis
Finally a 2zz in the channel 🔥
I owned a 2zz celica with 6 gears. The car was super fun to drive although heavy for that engine. Surprisingly also I went through 2 different engines, seems everyone blow these engines up. go figure.
Nice to see an MR2 on this channel again. MR2 repping. Not Bulgarian, but I live there :)
Oh hell ya, I remember drifting in an MR2, snap oversteer my ass, just grab her by the scruff of the neck, and the chassis is so balanced she slides right through. Hope you guys had a blast, great light weight car for the track.
I believe the reason for the somewhat 'long' ratios is that the differential is probably the taller of the 3 that were available in the C5x/C6x transmissions. I think almost all the euro models got a 3.9:1 version, whereas us here in Australia got a 4.51:1 ratio, which significantly changes the way the car behaves.
Euro Celica 1ZZ got the C63 4.3 _ Euro FaceLift MR-S got the C66 3.9 _ 2ZZ engine got the C60/64 4.5.
Watching the speed and the rpm drops of each gear change, the gearing is actually not that long. The ratios are closely spaced, I think the motor just lacks power. Or maybe the rev range where there is enough power is just too short.
Or maybe Honda K series is the answer 😅
my feeling about it too....very narrow "power" band from 6500 to about 8200max.....just lacking a bit more "torque"....
@@stratman9449 yup which is weird considering 2ZZ is one of the VERY few Toyota engines that featured variable valve lift. Maybe this is a simple matter of the ECU tune not developed well enough.
Uphill part of the track with 2 talls guys make any MR-S 2ZZ swaped slower than it is. At 5:12 you see a Renault Clio 4 RS. On straight line, the MR-S 2ZZ keep up with the Clio 4 RS. So, the car is not slow, but the uphill parts of the track show the lack of torque of the 2ZZ.
@@stratman9449 I don't know what is happening in this car because the normal lift Rev band is 6200 RPM to 8200 RPM... Here the lift is kick later...Around 6500 or 6600 RPM...
Misha, please get more MR2s in different variations including k series turbo as well as 2gr etc proper suspension/tires.
2ZZ-GE +supercharger will be best.
For those who says it's slow.... well I was wondering why. My 2zz lift kicks in at 6k rpm, but Lotus has his lift set to 6.700 rpm unfortunately and you can even hear it that it kick in pretty late. All the uphils are under lift and under the lift it is basically 1zz engine what makes 100kw..... if there would be better transmittion and Toyota ECU it would be way way better.
great drive as always, something seemed really quite off with the car, the gear ratio's seemed quite short, i mean it was barely capable of getting passed 130mph/220kph, only downhill with a stiff breeze behind it, so quite short considering stock the cars top speed is around that with 138bhp. 2zz is like 190bhp right? it seemed down on power and ofcourse torque on those hills. credit to the owner though, obvious work in progress and tha car is always cool to see.
That is more of a oil heat exchanger. It will only cool down to coolant temps. If you have high coolant temps then does not do such a good job of removing heat.
10:55 that golf has some serious power
The 3rd to 4th is perfect, the gearing seems long. Could just need a little power bump though.
You can really see why lotus supercharged this engine. It really just needs more oomf everywhere.
I've commented before on the previous MRS/MR2 Spyder video that Misha drove, I learned watching Gears and gasoline when Ben Lin built his MRS/MR2 Spyder, the front has a lot of chassis flex and when Ben had the roll cage built, they re-enforced the front end of the chassis with what looked like a tube cross member welded across the front of some sort. 2ZZ is I'm hearing an expensive swap today?
I don’t really understand why people proposed the 2ZZ as good value. Majority of MRS don’t have the desirable 6 speed to keep the 2ZZ in its power band. End up replacing or upgrading everything might as well start with a K series
@@tougefrogThe 2zz swap is fairly unobtrusive, just engine, maybe a transmission, a header, a smidge of wiring and an ECU. The K requires an engine, a transmission, new mounts, new axles, a completely different wiring harness, an aftermarket ECU and a full exhaust. While 2zz costs are increasing, it's still significantly cheaper and easier to swap a 2zz over a K, which often ends up costing $7k-12k all in.
The real fun starts when you put a BAM225 engine in it. Or a PD130.....
I 2zz swapped my mr2 spyder 2 years ago. Swap was definitely not a budget swap and I paid roughly $6500. Bought everything from monkeywrenchracing. Definitely hurt spending more than what I paid on the car but thinking in terms of 10k builds builds it's a heavy hitter.
as a owner of a ZZw30 Mr2 i can confirm the chassis flex is real on the frontend some aftermarket bracing is a must!
Im not sure about the short gearbox
The corolla and celica tsport gearbox wil hit 160 at 8000 rpm in 4th gear
The gearbox is a C60, the one that came with a 2ZZ engine. 180km/h in top of 4th gear is correct (160 km/h is not).
great the full track open ! I buy a MR2 spyder today for project tracakday turbo :)
A little bit of boost would be amazing. I heard rumors about TRD turbocharging one of those 1.8L engines and it was apparently insane.
@Misha Charoudin
I love your videos and thank you for sharing and creating them.
I'm wondering if it would be possible to make a series of videos describing what you feel on the ring.
In a lot of your video's, breaks, temperature, and suspension are mentioned.
I'm interested in the breaks, you mention not to push through the ABS. How would you know if you were doing that? You mention that you're using all of your leg force to slow down a car with "cooked" brakes.
What would be a normal braking pressure road compared to the track.
And how do stock and upgraded brakes feel and perform on the track and road?
I would love it if you could make some technical videos explaining the differences, and give some commentary and tips, about what to do if the brake pedal goes to the floor, or if the ABS kick in etc etc.
It's a lot of questions I know, but a few technical videos explaining, suspension, braking, cooling, power etc I think would be amazing, I hope you see this,
Or I I will comment this on all of your posts 😅 in the kindest of ways.
Awesome little car, sounds great and goes really well!
the nurburgring looks a lot different today
from which "time frame" are we talking......
I had similar issues with mine on the back straight, 5th gear it hit a wall basically but I have a big wing on the back so I put it down to that. My car also makes about 25 more hp then stock.
Wholesome dude really said Misha has a bit of talent 😭
you should show the temp gage so we can get a sense of how heatsoaked the block can get and how fast, y'know, to ballpark an illustration on reliability.
@@VerboseSlayer With the Laminova, the oil never goes above 120 celsius no matter how much you push it.
Because i had the corolla e12 Tsport with the same engine the gearbox is factory. I had the exact same kmh to the limiter.
Monkey Wrench ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wonder a 500 69cv gasoline in uphill section can do more or less than 130-140, because I go with mine in uphill motorway at 140
💯NEEDS MORE POWER to feel the gears shorter, also upgrade the sway bars 🤌🏽
Have to drive it like a two stroke with only 1500 rpm of useable powerband..... nice work!
The gearing for this gen is pretty long, meant for gas efficiency mindset instead of track focus aggressive gearing
its pisible he has the c65 gearbox. its about the same as the c161 i had on my 4age.
he should look for a c64 from a t sport celica. then i would be the perfect combination.
Yeah, over 100 km/h in 2nd gear is not very short gearing, especially for a lower power engine. It’s geared like a 5 speed transmission, so it seems like 6th must still be an overdrive gear
I love it. It was my dream car till I bought Old Ford Sierra
Misread at first, thought "wow a 2j in a Mistertwo", sadness ensued. Engine sounds remarkably close to a 4age. If you ignore the higher rev limit anyway.
With a bit more HP and TQ you could overcome the gearing problem.
Or just put a shorter diff to overcome a torque problem.
Isn't that always the case
this always looked like such a fun lil car!
The car needs a higher redline, 2zz can shift up to 8700rpm on stock internals
105 km/h on II Is short gear?! Are numbers for 350hp... With standard gear!!! are like the same of an E46 M3.
I hope he brings the car again with the improvements
Misha why u do not like little bit of body roll i mean gives u feel wht the car is doing around corners?
2ZZ is such a good little engine... You're not going to be blown away with its power 😂 but that thing takes a beating like nothing! Is not coincidence that is use in the most reliable car Toyota makes... Toyota Camry... 😂
It never was in the camry, you're thinking of the 2az or a corolla(xrs)
2zz never saw light of day inside a camry. Besides being an 1.8L, its the only toyota motor to feature valve lift (or vtec). the later generation xrs for usa and canada used the camry 2.4 2az but nothing fancy about that one, besides the massive oil burning issue.
The 2ZZ "was" a good engine when it was released. Now, it's not a reliable engine anymore. Years and owner's experiences shows that the engine is not made for strong track use. It produce a lot of blow-by, be sure to check oil consumption, lifts bolts need to be check then replaced, camshaft lobe wear, water pump failure, C60/64 gearbox that don't like torque, failed 3/4th gears mostly. The engine can't be bored or honed but need to get sleeve if rebuilt (meaning expensive rebuild).
I agree though, it was its weak links, only a person who truly likes the motor would go thru the trouble of upgrading and doign stuff to it but for that is best to just do a K swap like 99% of the world does
@@JAVIERFSG3Doing a 2ZZ swap the less expensive, you have to get a 2ZZ engine, a modified oil dipstick, a 2ZZ ECU, a modified 2ZZ Celica exhaust header, keep the 1ZZ harness and doing some minors wiring. That pretty much all. K swap into an MR2 Spyder is just a lot more expensive and you have to face against different problems.
Waiting to see you drive SW20 for years.
Misha please make it real🙏
Bright and neutral style that appeals to a wide audience.🍅🍅🍅 * 🥂'
Sound amazing
When Yamaha gets involved sure it will sing
Let's go!! I want an MR2
Theyre cheap! I picked mine up for under 4k
MR2s are great, completely different with the mid engine, the rear wants to slide giving it gas so you gotta fight with the wheel a bit
@@Charlieneumann04 its definitely a cool driving experience
This is a first, using part of the GP layout
Please could you tell me what was the maximum coolant temperature that the engine got to on the lap? And which length laminova do you use? also, is the laminova fitted before or after the radiator? Hard to see in the video, Thank you
I also run a Koyorad upgraded radiator. Coolant temp never goes above 95 degrees. Oil can get to 120, but never above no matter how much I push it now. The cooler is Laminova C43-330, the longest one there is.
My name is also Alex, and my mom is from Bulgaria!
2ZZGE VVTLI 😍
Nice Gran Turismo vibes
What is the point of the washboard like bumpy left sweeping turn shaking the suspension loose? Ruins the track imho.
Not long gearing this little bomb needs more power
Even tho the Honda k series prob makes 50 more hp out the box I’m glad he kept he went 2zz. He should supercharge it.
waiting for a video about a 2gr MR2
come to Serres for circuit and i gave y my nissan micra for timelap... hahaha
Do they make the Carousel bumpy to keep speed in check?
What a fun little car
Misha is giving the rev limiter a good time....
I track an MR2 Spyder. That car is way too low for an MR2 Spyder, it's strut front. Track Spyders ride high, you raise the spring rates to make up for it. Misha needs to drive a properly setup Spyder.
I think the MR2 is electric steering, could that be the delay you were feeling? I know electric steering especially early on versions feel numb.
It is hydraulic steering but pump driven by elec motor , a sort of a hybrid
What shutter speed do you use to film the onboards?
Bulgaria's history in high-performance computing (HPC) goes back several decades, at the time when it was the only socialist country to design and manufacture supercomputers. Just a little respect to the man and his country!
really good affordable sporty car
what's that grinding noise i keep hearing? is it the wheels touching the wells?
Put a 2GR v6 in it omg 🙌🔥💯
nah this swap sounds better
@@nx_Exe 😳😂😒
@@TechJay86 my 2zz swapped spyder with ppe headers and catless downpipe sounds infinitely nicer than a 2gr swapped spyder.
Shout-out Bulgaria 🔥✅💯
needs 200lbs weight reduction. lol.
new cams
lotus ecu
lotus supercharger
upgraded valve springs
change fuel fuel cutoff to redline to cut ignition instead at 8750 rpm
larger water pump pully (reduce cavitation at high rpm and increase cooling)
add a plywood splitter
maybe another suspension vendor, they need to really setup the shimstack correctly to take the carousel and bumpers better
Is in the CR-S tires glue ❔🤣
If you want to go to the moon with a "ZZ" motor make sure you bring lots of motor oil
Only the 1zz.
Looks like a Porsche
Good video