33% more from pots going from 3 ==> 4, not 25%. 25% reduction going form 4 ==> 3. good video, very informative. cant wait for leagues, this will be my first time going full in.
For maxing reasons or supplies? Just curious to know whats driving it as i was going thieving for making that particular skill afk and a 99 i might actually achieven along with the free crafting and smithing xp it brings.
@@dmars444agility is definitely the best for time saved if you're going for max/50m. Thieving is already insanely fast and can be pretty afk/mobile. Thieving is probably only best if you're going T and you're not going the mining relic. But the relic literally makes a skill that is 1-200k/hr in the main game into something probably 1m/hr before multipliers lol with the right stall/chest. It's fun but not best probably if you're playing long-term. Herbs and secondaries are great even if you're going the farming relic. Herbs will still take awhile to grow and a lot of secondaries can't be grown. You can literally save 100% secondaries with V and that might increase exp if you can do 27 pots and 1 secondary per inventory.
It’s been confirmed that stalls are griefable, and there are entire communities making it their purpose to do so whenever they pass by. Going Z, personally, to learn cox. With that grimoire is hardly useful, so taking overgrown or the alternate. Going thieving here. Thanks for the vids, appreciate the content, keep it coming.
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Thieving relic is far and away the strongest relic here. It works with underwater agility, giving (supposedly) ~2.2m agility xp/hr OR ~8m thieving xp/hr at x16 without flippers. It's roughly tripled if you have flippers from Asgarnia. Just info I pulled from the leagues discord, so I haven't verified or tested the numbers, but damn it's looking good.
I've heard more like 2m/hr without flippers or 6m+ with, and that's assuming x16 expérience. This makes sense as at 99 thieving you have a 16% chance of success and it is just over 58k agility exp/hr. There doesn't seem to be any delay for failing that would be reduced and this will still be slightly gated by how well you move from area to area.
the way i look at it thieving relic would give unlimited seeds from master farmers already and if ur choosing a raid location ur going to get herbs from cox and tob or seeds from toa. since im not gong mage and not doing desert to get rune pouch, i find grimoire kinda pointless cuz i cant use spells without holding all the runes in my inventory and piety augury rigour are only so much more dps. unless the third relic is overpowered i feel the farming relic in junction with thieving relic is the move
Also people forget crystal shards are not boosted. So you will need to stay in prod or do a lot of extra gauntlet for crystal armor and if you want to corrupt. Seems like thieving is more broken. I am planning to take farming relic with thieving and I am going varlamore.
Gold wise you probably still get more from theiving but wildy course should be decent and the time save from agility long term is nice if you care about going for dragon. Btw the thunder khopash spec is nuts!
Imo thieving is only good if you need something to afk (agility can also be afk) or if you need something from a stall/chest. Stealing from Tzhaar could be good with ice gloves (F or A) and is definitely good in T and K. It seems kinda bad though if people can just crash you at the stall. Thieving is easily one of fastest skill in the game and early money shouldn't be an issue for most people especially if they have a gem shop or the mining relic. Blood shards aren't that great imo especially if you're going F like everyone else. Agility is good especially if you have lap count tasks but the fact that it doesn't prevent failure during courses seems pretty lackluster. It's definitely the most time saved going for max/50m tho Herb definitely seems like the best especially if you want to do the herb minigame pretty early. A decent amount of bosses/raids shit out herbs and secondaries but secondaries are still hard to come by for most of the game. But you might be getting so many purples you might not get many supplies and it's good for inventory management.
Great thoughts overall. Agility is definetely a choice for thosd dragon cuppers which I didnt consider much. Im torn between theiving and herblore which is awesome haha. Ill swap back and forth a bunch but it also depends on what golden god is up against.
@TravagGames fairly certain GG will be vs production master. Yeah I don't see thieving being worth at all unless you're going T and not doing the mining relic or if you're an endangered K picker.
Going DFV and I'm leaning towards the herb one getting prayer pots early just seems like a huge hassle otherwise unless I go total recall but I think ill regret that later
I can't remember which skill pets I got last year, and me not being particularly good at osrs, I'll be going for the skill pets I didn't get before and relics that help that grind 😂 At least in regards to this tier. I'll also be using this leagues to practice Gauntlet stuff I've never done before.
he 2x agility laps should ideally double the speed of getting the squirrel but a lot of ppl will take the agility relics to avoid rooftops as much as possible bc of the boots. So its counter productive. Theiving stalls is a good rate for pet but still takes a ton of time.
Arcane grimoire is niche. If taking kourend you can get 3 of the 5 prayers unlocked anyways and a spell book. Even without it, rigour vs eagle eye+steel skin is only like a 3% total dps increase. Its so minute that killing jad with max gear is only a 1-2 second difference. I am personally going either zeah/mory/asg or zeah/kand/asg with 5/5/0 for combat masteries. Power mining, clue compass, dodgy deals, total recall, overgrown locked in imo. The one woth Kandarin is purely to clue hunt if i do it as there are a LOT of points behind clues. I would suggest maybe thinking hard about taking grimoire and change it up. You do you in the end, its your league to enjoy. The math for the prayers and niche use of spells does not seem worth it.
@@joshholmes1372 once you factor in the 30% minimum and other range bonuses, it's lower than the 8% difference the text would indicate on the prayers, but that takes math to do.
I really want to take the herb relic because i plan on taking grimoire, but i also plan on going tirannwn which benefits so much from having the thieving relic i think id regret not picking it.
A lot of talk out there saying grimiore doesnt add much dps so id reccomend looking at the numbers to see. I might switch to dodgy personally. The spellbooks arent super important for me.
@TravagGames yeah I couldn't believe all the people the last two leagues convinced they had to go K for melee without even investigating it. It's definitely still tempting for NPC contact, veng, high alch, thralls and ancients with instant, unlimited switches. I really hate changing spellbooks, especially in leagues
Something tells me that the herblore goggles aren't going to work the way you want them to. I'm sure Jagex will nerf that if so. Since the Forager relic saves 90% of secondaries, that puts you at 10% used. I'm guessing the goggles will save you 10% of that 10%, meaning the goggles will really only be a 1% secondary save. Again this is just a guess because that seems like such a huge benefit just for picking Varlamore. Honestly between you and YewJacks, I really appreciate you guys going into more depth instead of just reading the latest blog out loud like most of these league content creators.
Yew Jack is in my clan and we just discovered we both make vids like a month ago haha. Would be fun to collab on some disscusions. The 90% says it stacks additively, which would be 90% + 10% = 100% so hopefully its that but we'll see.
Minners can mine rune essence to get that 25 minute afk time for the herb relic. Mining exo would be shit but it enables the 25 minute afk for the herb relic if your tied up etc
Gosh... I keep flip flopping on whether I'm going Dodgy deals, or Friendly forager. I'm leaning forager, just because not having to worry about herblore is really nice from a PVM perspective. Thieving sounds FUN, but when all is said and done, not really that useful. It's a fast skill to train by itself, so from a maxing perspective, FF probably makes more sense.
Well agility is kind of the biggest time save but moreso for 50m exp tasks. Dodgy is great if you go the farming relic. Im torn but i might not take grimiore anymore bc apperently prayers arent much of an upgrade.
@ I’m on the fence about Grimore as well, especially since we don’t yet know what the final relic is in that tier! So I’m trying not to get my heart set on anything yet. I just looked at my DPS calc, and losing piety and using ult str and reflexes instead, I only lose 2dps in my max gear setup. But having access to all spellbooks sounds SO useful for a bunch of situations…
Its a small thing but you need 14 secondaries if you want to make 14 pots even with 100% chance to keep the secondairy. I tried this in the main game with the goggles trying to make 16 pots with 12 secondaries and even tough you have secondaries saved it still just makes 12 pots. Probably not a dealbreaker but just a little bruh moment.
Yes! I noticed this too when using the goggles as I also tested stuff like 16-12. I guess you probably do need 14 of each which is annoying because this is a bug/engine thing more than an actual feature. I was hoping this would have been fixed by now. Its honestly not super small since you cant do the whole cave bug/crawler 1 item thing but luckily there are some snape grass and red spider egg spawns around the game and it wont be too hard to get your 14 limps, white berries, eye of newts, bird nests, etc. So it just slows you down right at the start.
Well that a bummer. I think if you go this relic, you should rush the gem/ore stalls asap since the first people there should be people who got the relic. But 80% of the relic is the pickpocketing and its still strong. Im leaning forager + grimiore but I might go dodgy + overgrown since the dps from prayers isn't adding up to much apperently so its more about spellbook access. Tough choice!
@@GormanVidal oh thats massive for me actually. Think i might go dodgy, rush gem stalls to avoid grief, then do tzharr once I have gloves. Overgrown with tier 1 passive looking great now.
Thieving relic never failing gives agility too at underwater course. The amount of tears might be very high which would cover Thieving and Agility. Though just the agility boots giving 50m plus by the end of leagues is huge for league points. If i had mory or tiran id take thieving they just arent my regions.
possible synergy... if you last recall to the top of the agility pryamid, and take the agility relic, that could be decent money. probably not enough to actually take the relic, but it could be decent.
@TravagGames yea still something that makes sense to go for earlyish for an hour or two for thieving pickers but probably a bit annoying with the rusty swords and buttons
Id just theive them until 40 for a good stack of clues then move to the guards I mentioned for amazing early gp. Ham members kinda are "nerfed" with this relic since other npcs feel so buffed.
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33% more from pots going from 3 ==> 4, not 25%. 25% reduction going form 4 ==> 3.
good video, very informative. cant wait for leagues, this will be my first time going full in.
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Best content I've seen breaking down relics. Great videos. Thanks for your insight.
Gotta be thieving for me, but you made a really good point about the herb one being amazing with Varlamore
Im leaning on the herb relic.
For maxing reasons or supplies? Just curious to know whats driving it as i was going thieving for making that particular skill afk and a 99 i might actually achieven along with the free crafting and smithing xp it brings.
@@dmars444agility is definitely the best for time saved if you're going for max/50m. Thieving is already insanely fast and can be pretty afk/mobile. Thieving is probably only best if you're going T and you're not going the mining relic. But the relic literally makes a skill that is 1-200k/hr in the main game into something probably 1m/hr before multipliers lol with the right stall/chest. It's fun but not best probably if you're playing long-term.
Herbs and secondaries are great even if you're going the farming relic. Herbs will still take awhile to grow and a lot of secondaries can't be grown. You can literally save 100% secondaries with V and that might increase exp if you can do 27 pots and 1 secondary per inventory.
@@dmars444 how does thieving make smithing afk
@@sempybandz i didnt say afk thieving i said free xp, sorry if that was unclear.
I consider banked xp free xp 🤣
It’s been confirmed that stalls are griefable, and there are entire communities making it their purpose to do so whenever they pass by.
Going Z, personally, to learn cox. With that grimoire is hardly useful, so taking overgrown or the alternate. Going thieving here. Thanks for the vids, appreciate the content, keep it coming.
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How are stalls griefable?
Thieving relic is far and away the strongest relic here. It works with underwater agility, giving (supposedly) ~2.2m agility xp/hr OR ~8m thieving xp/hr at x16 without flippers. It's roughly tripled if you have flippers from Asgarnia. Just info I pulled from the leagues discord, so I haven't verified or tested the numbers, but damn it's looking good.
I've heard more like 2m/hr without flippers or 6m+ with, and that's assuming x16 expérience. This makes sense as at 99 thieving you have a 16% chance of success and it is just over 58k agility exp/hr. There doesn't seem to be any delay for failing that would be reduced and this will still be slightly gated by how well you move from area to area.
This sounds like a dream for me! I'm going to pick asgarnia anyways
the way i look at it thieving relic would give unlimited seeds from master farmers already and if ur choosing a raid location ur going to get herbs from cox and tob or seeds from toa. since im not gong mage and not doing desert to get rune pouch, i find grimoire kinda pointless cuz i cant use spells without holding all the runes in my inventory and piety augury rigour are only so much more dps. unless the third relic is overpowered i feel the farming relic in junction with thieving relic is the move
Strong agree
Im getting more and more convinced that I will go theving + overgrown. Its going to be a tough choice.
Going T so going Thieving and that opens up golden god to either something else, pherhaps. Golden God sounds really chill though
You can also breakdown and remake the crystal armor for BiS smithing and crafting exp. You don't need a ton of seeds
Also people forget crystal shards are not boosted. So you will need to stay in prod or do a lot of extra gauntlet for crystal armor and if you want to corrupt. Seems like thieving is more broken. I am planning to take farming relic with thieving and I am going varlamore.
@@MrDehBoss Golden God will give infinite shards because you can break down Crystal Shields.
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Planning on wild for 2nd area, was thinking agility double lap might be good for farming wild course
Gold wise you probably still get more from theiving but wildy course should be decent and the time save from agility long term is nice if you care about going for dragon.
Btw the thunder khopash spec is nuts!
Imo thieving is only good if you need something to afk (agility can also be afk) or if you need something from a stall/chest. Stealing from Tzhaar could be good with ice gloves (F or A) and is definitely good in T and K. It seems kinda bad though if people can just crash you at the stall. Thieving is easily one of fastest skill in the game and early money shouldn't be an issue for most people especially if they have a gem shop or the mining relic. Blood shards aren't that great imo especially if you're going F like everyone else.
Agility is good especially if you have lap count tasks but the fact that it doesn't prevent failure during courses seems pretty lackluster. It's definitely the most time saved going for max/50m tho
Herb definitely seems like the best especially if you want to do the herb minigame pretty early. A decent amount of bosses/raids shit out herbs and secondaries but secondaries are still hard to come by for most of the game. But you might be getting so many purples you might not get many supplies and it's good for inventory management.
Great thoughts overall. Agility is definetely a choice for thosd dragon cuppers which I didnt consider much.
Im torn between theiving and herblore which is awesome haha. Ill swap back and forth a bunch but it also depends on what golden god is up against.
@TravagGames fairly certain GG will be vs production master. Yeah I don't see thieving being worth at all unless you're going T and not doing the mining relic or if you're an endangered K picker.
it was confirmed on the Leagues discord that forager collects one herb every 9 game ticks (5.4 seconds).
oh that's way worse than i thought it would be lol, agility relic stonks up
@@hem9483 worse?!?! That's 660 herbs/hour of your choosing.
@@hem9483 It's 600+ of whatever herb you want to farm for. That's insane amounts to get while afk fishing.... lmfao
Going DFV and I'm leaning towards the herb one getting prayer pots early just seems like a huge hassle otherwise unless I go total recall but I think ill regret that later
Do hunter and get those prayer butterly
I can't remember which skill pets I got last year, and me not being particularly good at osrs, I'll be going for the skill pets I didn't get before and relics that help that grind 😂 At least in regards to this tier. I'll also be using this leagues to practice Gauntlet stuff I've never done before.
he 2x agility laps should ideally double the speed of getting the squirrel but a lot of ppl will take the agility relics to avoid rooftops as much as possible bc of the boots. So its counter productive. Theiving stalls is a good rate for pet but still takes a ton of time.
Arcane grimoire is niche. If taking kourend you can get 3 of the 5 prayers unlocked anyways and a spell book. Even without it, rigour vs eagle eye+steel skin is only like a 3% total dps increase. Its so minute that killing jad with max gear is only a 1-2 second difference.
I am personally going either zeah/mory/asg or zeah/kand/asg with 5/5/0 for combat masteries. Power mining, clue compass, dodgy deals, total recall, overgrown locked in imo. The one woth Kandarin is purely to clue hunt if i do it as there are a LOT of points behind clues. I would suggest maybe thinking hard about taking grimoire and change it up. You do you in the end, its your league to enjoy. The math for the prayers and niche use of spells does not seem worth it.
It's more like 7-8%
@@joshholmes1372 once you factor in the 30% minimum and other range bonuses, it's lower than the 8% difference the text would indicate on the prayers, but that takes math to do.
I really want to take the herb relic because i plan on taking grimoire, but i also plan on going tirannwn which benefits so much from having the thieving relic i think id regret not picking it.
A lot of talk out there saying grimiore doesnt add much dps so id reccomend looking at the numbers to see. I might switch to dodgy personally.
The spellbooks arent super important for me.
As someone taking V and T I'm just so torn between dodgy and forager LOL
Also consider not going grimoire unless you really want the spellbooks. Piety/rigour only make TTK 1-2s lower.
Ya I was thinking I might do this. Less prayer drain too which may make me not lose PPs with prayer regen pots.
@TravagGames yeah I couldn't believe all the people the last two leagues convinced they had to go K for melee without even investigating it. It's definitely still tempting for NPC contact, veng, high alch, thralls and ancients with instant, unlimited switches. I really hate changing spellbooks, especially in leagues
Something tells me that the herblore goggles aren't going to work the way you want them to. I'm sure Jagex will nerf that if so. Since the Forager relic saves 90% of secondaries, that puts you at 10% used. I'm guessing the goggles will save you 10% of that 10%, meaning the goggles will really only be a 1% secondary save. Again this is just a guess because that seems like such a huge benefit just for picking Varlamore.
Honestly between you and YewJacks, I really appreciate you guys going into more depth instead of just reading the latest blog out loud like most of these league content creators.
Yew Jack is in my clan and we just discovered we both make vids like a month ago haha. Would be fun to collab on some disscusions.
The 90% says it stacks additively, which would be 90% + 10% = 100% so hopefully its that but we'll see.
Minners can mine rune essence to get that 25 minute afk time for the herb relic.
Mining exo would be shit but it enables the 25 minute afk for the herb relic if your tied up etc
Gosh... I keep flip flopping on whether I'm going Dodgy deals, or Friendly forager. I'm leaning forager, just because not having to worry about herblore is really nice from a PVM perspective. Thieving sounds FUN, but when all is said and done, not really that useful. It's a fast skill to train by itself, so from a maxing perspective, FF probably makes more sense.
Well agility is kind of the biggest time save but moreso for 50m exp tasks. Dodgy is great if you go the farming relic.
Im torn but i might not take grimiore anymore bc apperently prayers arent much of an upgrade.
@ I’m on the fence about Grimore as well, especially since we don’t yet know what the final relic is in that tier! So I’m trying not to get my heart set on anything yet.
I just looked at my DPS calc, and losing piety and using ult str and reflexes instead, I only lose 2dps in my max gear setup. But having access to all spellbooks sounds SO useful for a bunch of situations…
Its a small thing but you need 14 secondaries if you want to make 14 pots even with 100% chance to keep the secondairy.
I tried this in the main game with the goggles trying to make 16 pots with 12 secondaries and even tough you have secondaries saved it still just makes 12 pots.
Probably not a dealbreaker but just a little bruh moment.
Yes! I noticed this too when using the goggles as I also tested stuff like 16-12. I guess you probably do need 14 of each which is annoying because this is a bug/engine thing more than an actual feature.
I was hoping this would have been fixed by now.
Its honestly not super small since you cant do the whole cave bug/crawler 1 item thing but luckily there are some snape grass and red spider egg spawns around the game and it wont be too hard to get your 14 limps, white berries, eye of newts, bird nests, etc. So it just slows you down right at the start.
I think they confirmed that the stalls do get reset if someone without the relic steals from it sadly
Well that a bummer. I think if you go this relic, you should rush the gem/ore stalls asap since the first people there should be people who got the relic. But 80% of the relic is the pickpocketing and its still strong.
Im leaning forager + grimiore but I might go dodgy + overgrown since the dps from prayers isn't adding up to much apperently so its more about spellbook access. Tough choice!
You need ice gloves for mol rek big boys to be actually afk. Right?
I think so unfortunetly.
Remember Frem got free ice gloves last league if you're taking that. So Asg or Frem
@@GormanVidal oh thats massive for me actually. Think i might go dodgy, rush gem stalls to avoid grief, then do tzharr once I have gloves.
Overgrown with tier 1 passive looking great now.
Thieving relic never failing gives agility too at underwater course. The amount of tears might be very high which would cover Thieving and Agility.
Though just the agility boots giving 50m plus by the end of leagues is huge for league points.
If i had mory or tiran id take thieving they just arent my regions.
Ya the agility boots save the most time. If you want a dragon cup, thats likely your choice. Choose the other two for fun.
9 tic cooldown on herbs.
This is actually really low. Herbs will never be an issue with this relic
Correct. It's very fast. I'll be going Theiving though for agility prayer and lamps via underwater theiving
Plus farming is 5x speed now which is huge for overgrown.
possible synergy... if you last recall to the top of the agility pryamid, and take the agility relic, that could be decent money. probably not enough to actually take the relic, but it could be decent.
but some stuff yiu get from HAM are not noteable
True, so not as afk as other stuff but more afk than previously. The early gem stacks will be decent for crafting too.
@TravagGames yea still something that makes sense to go for earlyish for an hour or two for thieving pickers but probably a bit annoying with the rusty swords and buttons
Id just theive them until 40 for a good stack of clues then move to the guards I mentioned for amazing early gp. Ham members kinda are "nerfed" with this relic since other npcs feel so buffed.
@@TravagGames yea