"Brother you should put me in front of a firing squad. I have no words for how I failed you." This is the quote that gets me, not the most emotionally, but damn
fact that i stared at the “Go. Goodbye.” option knowing it was the right thing to do but STILL tried to talk to her again really shattered me till the phasmid gave a modicum of peace
The fact that even in the middle of a dream, your brain realizes there is nothing you can say to make her want to stay. The way this same old conversation replays endlessly in your mind, right next to a literal video rental store, that you would replay old movie tapes from with her. This game is truly a masterpiece. I can't believe human beings made this.
Thats when the "Stuck forever in hell" line clicked for me, i was thinking physical, destructive behavior ect, but it actually means his mind, the rumination. He cant escape it because it is him, the thought will keep looping, it doesent end
"But you said I have a vast soul and you will always come back to it." I don't know why that quote hits me so hard, but it's a line that's stuck with me. It's the encapsulation of how happy they were during their best of times. The love that Dora held for Harry ran so deep at one point. And then years later... nothing. She thinks less and less about him every day, and one day he'll barely be a thought in her mind every few years as she lives her life. I hope Harry finds happiness after the events of the game.
In a game full of memorable moments, this is the one that did it for me. Your own mind apologizing for the decision and you beeing told that this could have never ended well, even if you did pass that skillcheck...
devastating, melancholic, nostalgic, beautiful, human...surreal... but incredibly human. The seamless melding of Dolores and Dora into one figure is just brilliant and such a relatable dream scenario. Probably my favorite part of the game.
The city is the one that broke him, or broke them. He was a teacher, they met and things were good. She made him aspire better, so he joint the force, which broke him. She clearly loved him enough for them to try to make things work for some time, but eventually it didn't work and she had to leave. I can only imagine what happened in the militia to break Harry in the first place. It's a messed up city, nothing's right.
@@yidingliu8663 Harry has always struggled with being bipolar. Things weren’t *good* from the very beginning. He joined the militia just to impress Dora though he kept falling deeper into the darkness year by year. Dora got scared and tired. She didn’t really love *Harry*, she loved the image of an edgy mysterious man that she had in her head. Once Dora started understanding it, the fog began to clear, and she felt the urge to leave, knowing that she should’ve done that a long time ago. Tying herself to Harry was a mistake from the start. “The rescue of a drowning man is the drowning man's own job”. City, relationships, militia - everything had an impact, of course. But Harry was always unstable and *different* in the brain. *He* is the main reason why everything has changed like that.
So many people would quote so much from this moment, but mine was always the very last sentence in this conversation "See you tomorrow" THIS is what drove Harry into what he was: a suicidal sorry man at the end of his rope. All he wanted was to be free from this nightmare that was plaguing him for... probably years
You know, every time we remember something it's as if our minds relive it, then change the form of the memory somewhat for future reference. It's why memories we only think of in bad times can become our worst enemies. Six years, every night. At that point I think we'd only remember a few quips and lines she'd told us, like scraps glued together with pure unadulterated self hate.
"I think of you less and less every year, weeks go by without me remembering you... Months already. Soon it will be years. Every season that passes the lights get less clear." This one phrase is one of the most painful things I've ever read. This game is a masterpiece
i think if someone said that when i was feeling down, itll hurt at first. but after awhile i think its freeing in a way. (i was suicidal for a most of my life, this year i might feel somewhat okay not great but okay)
@Sternertime The Tie only gains sentience if you have enough Inland Empire, and Inland Empire often warns Harry to stay away from Dora, eg. Apricot flavored wrapper, calling Video Revachol from the Union phone, the letter in the damaged ledger and the Delores Dei mural in the church. and in this scene Inland Empire, Ancient Reptilian and Limbic system tell Harry about how its as bad as they've warned you Inland Empire and Shivers are the only skills that don't try to win her back
The worst part about this is he is reliving a moment that happened. This is a trauma dream- 3 + times a week. Reliving the worst heartbreak you could imagine. Also, note, Dora is Dolores Dei to him. This is like Jesus breaking up with you in your dreams for 6 years. No wonder our guy was so messed up. I like to think he gets to heal after this though.
I like to think that he never heals, but he begins to move on, because he managed to "reset" himself and face his traumas in a new and different way. Besides, the 41st is ready to give him a shot again, and Harry has Kim as a new friend, one who has nothing but undying loyalty and respect for him. He can finally find a new purpose
@@pabloc8808 I could've misread it, but there's a scene when you meet the Phasmid and you get to talk with it, at one point it says "promise me, you will stop" and you can ask why but it says you know and that you should stop doing it to yourself. I personally said I will, and took it as to finally let go. Man I love this game.
Harry was putting Dora on a pedestal for sure, but him combining her with Dolores Dei is surely a post-bender thing where he’s grasping at the idea of a person in his mind
This recurring dream is the reason why Harry woke up with no memory. He had spent the last 6 years drinking to stop it, to destroy who he was to end the torment... and when he finally achieves his amnesia, he just stumbles upon it once more. The dream knew he'd be back, no matter who he thinks he is.
one of the most deepest lines ever in pc games :""" this is real darkness, its not death, or war or child molestation, real darkness has love for a face. the first deah is in the heart,Harry""" - it touches you if you've ever felt that love
I've never seen a game do such an amazing job of capturing the pointless, exhausting, repetitive nature of end of relationship arguments. You understand both that this conversation is harmful, pointless, and should even be embarrassing for him but also why he feels the need to ask these questions. As someone who has been Harry in this situation I loved this scene, even if it was a bit painful. (though the phasmid scene is still #1)
"Here is the secret: there is no love in the past. Only the present. The past is made of static images, distorted memories, demented nostalgia. This, the present - with all its possibilities, innumerable hits and misses - is far superior. It is a living organism."
You know that the author of this dialogue was there. In Harry's place. I am too now. And I hope that I can do it. But it's just horryfying to let her go. Too difficult, but necessary. I wish it would be possible. I'm trying. And memories of her are too numerous. It's like losing half of your body, your mind desperate to understand how to bring it back, how to live without it and what can it logically do to change it. Four years of relationship. A lot of everything. And it's just too much. If someone reads it, overcome it. It would be better later. Don't let it get to you. Because I will do my all. And I hope you can to
I'm currently going through a breakup with my boyfriend of four years and came back to this scene and saw your comment. It's so scary trying to figure out how to live without someone you've been so close to for so long. Anyways, thank you for your comment, this really spoke to me on another level.
@@plusJan i feel you, brother. I was living with my better half for two years until we broke up last month. its been really rough and I'm still trying to figure my shit out but we'll get through this. here for you if you ever need it because sometimes it really can feel like you're the only one on earth having to feel these emotions
The dialogue that got me is when she mentions she's pregnant from the man she's with and then tells Harry that she 'terminated yours' while calling him a 'poor' f*ck. A Poverty-stricken f* ck. That hit me quite hard.
I think she really did say that, at the very very end of the game, with the bug, she tells him she was hell too, and I think thats right. We only have Harry's own reflections of the situation to go off of, and Harry's is drowning in self hatred, no matter what you do he always blames himself for what happened, and maybe that is true, but that doesn't mean she didn't hurt him too.
@@anyoneattheendoftime4932 And that's exactly why Harry lost her and why people who think this way will lose everyone in their lives. You can't predict what others are thinking, convincing yourself that you can is a long, quiet road to self-destruction and the annihilation of love. Letting self-doubt, jealousy, and paranoia creep into your relationships *infects* the people you love and destroys both of you. Harry's pain is very real and very understandable, but his self loathing over Dora is very much a wound he continues to inflict on *himself* because he can't let go of what he *thought* she was, what he *thought* she felt about him.
Just before disco Elysium came out I came out of jail. I had a terrible breakup and i had nearly same feelings with harry after I finished this game I filled up with nihilism I wanted to drink and kill my self and then after I met with disco elysium it made me crippled emotionally but at the end of it I found the power from harry. I’m trying to be sober as I played him through. This is a masterpiece that touched my heart
The pinnacle of writing in any game ever. It was at this moment I knew, I'm not playing a game but I'm experiencing a masterpiece of psychological novel, maybe in the level of Dostoevsky's greatests works. Everytime I watch this scene, something in me awakes and aches. ZA/UM made history with this game. Also with the Final Cut's voiced dialogues, everything became vastly dramatic. Congratulations and many thanks to everyone who had worked on this game.
I could not play this part with dry eyes, this is torture if you feel even slightly related to Harry or had something similar happen, Dolores saying it will take him 20 years to heal and how the first death comes from the heart are probably the most soul crushing lines in the whole game and they are back to back. Understanding Harry here is something i do not wish to anyone, i had a horrible time after finishing this part despite being almost 2 years after the fact for me, and even then i still had my mind on it after a couple days, even rewatching this now makes me absolutely depressed and sad, yet i would still call this one of my favorite games of all time, what an achievement not only for the gaming media but a piece of art as a whole, it deserves to be preserved in a museum Edit: i came back to watch this again thinking it would be ok now, i was wrong
Stay strong. I finished it last year, 2 months after a breakup myself, so I'm with you (even tho I must admit I feel good now). Hope you'll get there too eventually. And I'd say, even better than a museum, it'll live forever in our hearts, minds and souls. Anyway, much love to you and anyone who reads this!
My wife left a year ago. She left all of a sudden. I was out shopping for half an hour, I returned and she had her bags packed and a friend coming to pick her up. It completely and utterly broke me. In the year since I've been fighting for us, trying to work through it and maybe find a path forward. I keep convincing myself that I must be insane, that my emotional reaction to the pain she caused has ruined everything. Two weeks ago I had a conversation with her that was very much like this one, only her coldness and heartlessness wasn't something that I had projected onto her. It broke me AGAIN, which led to relapsing on meth and abusing myself from the pain, the sadness, the heartbreak, the hopelessness. She never gave me a reason for why she didn't want to try to fix our marriage, and because of that I feel like it might take years and years for me to move on and heal. She's not the same person that I married any more. She moved away and thought less and less about me every day, while I drowned in sorrow holding onto the memory of a woman who no longer exists. I finished Disco Elysium for the first time last week, at the tail end of the relapse, after the final nail was driven into the coffin of our marriage. This scene literally caused me to fall off my chair and cry and scream on the floor for half an hour. To have everything that happened between us summarised so poignantly and profoundly is something that I never thought I'd find. It hurts more than anything, although it gave me a new perspective on my situation too. For that reason, as well as Harry's character and traits being astonishingly similar to my own, Disco Elysium is the most important and sacred game to me, a work of art that speaks to me on a level that few other works of art could ever hope to. "Real darkness has love for a face. The first death is in the heart." Those words are so fitting, so emotionally devastating, so incredibly crushing, that I could never in a million years forget them.
I hope you're doing better, brother. The pit you are in may seem inescapable but trust me when i say that there's no better place to build a solid foundation on than rock bottom. I did it the first time when i fell into the pit. Now Im doing it again for the second time. Im making the climb up that I never truly finished. But when i make it out I hope to see you there too. Stay strong, brother.
This scene destroyed me, I emphasized with Harry so much it felt almost like i was the one being dismantled by her words. This all being in Harry’s head is an amazing way of representing his self loathing and refusal to move on. We never actually get to see what the real Dora is like, all we have is this version of her in Harry’s head, he makes her almost cruel and her words tear him apart, but she’s still angelic and almost kind in a way, in his head she’s basically a goddess despite the fact that the love they had is gone.
This is the sad counterbalance to the “Detective. Arriving. On the Scene” moment. When it’s shown that Harry is truly brilliant at what he does and in general, with his yefreitor rank, refusing promotion to stay in the field with little else to hang on to. But he is a damn good detective, and nothing can rub that out, not booze or drugs or lost love. He is the human can opener.
It is the answer to why an amnesiac man could potentially level up so many skills in less than a week, both mental and physical, you were just unclogging his memory. But they could not save him from the breakup, all of the skills failing to do anything is a reflection of what probably happened, including Electrochemistry advise of forgetting it all through drinking. For me the game is about the dangers of putting so much of your identity in a single thing, otherwise you will despair when neither Intellect, Psyche, Physique nor Motorics prove to be the omnitool that would solve all of your life's problems and grant you love, and even their powers combined are incapable of changing the past. In the end you are you, not your skills, being able to do something doesn't mean that you should, and since what "should" be done can vary between ideologies, all you can afford is to do what will leave you with a clean conscience.
It's from Latin and actually other way around, it's "the Sorrows of God". Otherwise it would be "Deus Dolorum". But you got it more or less right. It's meant to have that meaning in the story.
I don't think I'd be alive today if this particular sequence didn't play out in front of my eyes when I needed it more than anything. "It's a ticket stub... it doesn't do anything anymore." This game, because of this moment, is one of the most profoundly important and significant experiences in my entire life. Thank you.
a couple years ago i was (and still is) in hard depression, laying in bed all days, processing my break-up that happened ages before. i tried to cheer myself and playing some games, choose Disco Elysium. dont sleep several days to finish game and THAT moment happened... i didnt cry like that in my life, it was fucking insane, i think that im fucking dying of heart attack. every little part of that dialogue was relatable from calculate choices of lines to begging on my knees for him to stay with me. and voices in my head, and auto-aggression, and pain, and insanity. i didnt relate to character so much ever in my life. that was beautiful and truly deep. what a masterpiece
i thought i was obsessed with this became because i had recently finished it ... 1 year later and i still keep thinking about it .... what a masterpiece
@@Kitsuragi556 "...But at least the artists have their act together-they’re qualified labour, they can get work anywhere: graphic design, ads. The programmers are doing fine, too, I mean they’re programmers. The writers, though… they’re fucked.”
"A thousand times, you beaten animal. A thousand times you've raised that fabric. What is underneath has always calmed you, centred you. Made you sane." Fuck, man...
I'm not sure if it was me that outgrew her or her outgrew me, but that's what it is. Maybe we both grew, diverged into different people that no longer recognize each other. Disco Elysium helped me realize that. It put into words a pain I could never express.
This game is so unbelievably good at putting you in Harry's headspace. I've never gone through a breakup but this scene just broke me. I had to take a break and lie down, feeling like I'd been run over by a truck.
In my first playthrough, I never slept on the fortress bed. I never saw this. Part of me is kicking myself for going through my first playthrough having botched or just never done some of the most beautiful scenes in the game, but another part of me is thankful I waited till my second playthrough. this scene hit so much harder after the couple years I had waited...words can't describe it. A masterpiece.
I haven't experienced something like this in real life but i cried at the scene! is it weird? this character grown so much on me that it felt like it was my own life. and why nobody mentions how epic the music of this scene is? the music makes it 10x times sadder.
Bruh this scene got me weepy too, the dialogue is written so humanly and brings a lot of emotion. On top of it it's already a depressing scene about a dude dealing with a broken heart. The music is pretty good too
I don’t think it’s weird at all, it’s precisely the mark of great art that it takes a very particular experience and makes it accessible to everyone by presenting that particularity in a way that exposes what’s common in it to everyone. A lot of great artists agree: not only do you find the general in the particular, but it’s the only honest way to do so. This game is brilliantly written that way.
I’ve never been in love or had my heart broken so this scene didn’t affect me the way it affected others but it reminded me of my dad who passed away and I never really knew him. He was so much like Harry, struggling with trauma and addiction, because of this he would never find love and even though he was abusive and monstrous I can’t help but feel bad for him. “In conclusion - you’re ill. You’re an old, insane man and you have to be in hell until the end of your life.” and he was. Some people will never get better
i keep replaying this dialogue from time to time. i can't believe that it hits so close. "you get sad. too sad. people don't get that sad". and i've heard these words so many times. i am so sorry for my beloved ones. i know it hurts so much when the one you care about is always sad, at some point you just stop caring because it's so exhausting, and you too have to live happily. i am so sorry. i am so ashamed of myself, it's like i'm draining all the life energy from the ones that i actually love. that's why i can't really blame harry for anything - i know he hates himself for this. he keeps being a dork, he keeps hurting people. it's endless. and it is truly hell, a neverending one.
This made me ugly cry. Her job is to move on and be happy and forget about Harry. And Harry's job is to be in hell, forever. Thats my job, too. To be in hell forever.
It's not tho. You have the strength to move on too, you just have to find it. But it's definitely there, somewhere inside you. I wish you well brother/sister. Much love.
goddamn man, the cringe, the pain, the exasperated struggle of desperation, it piles up as a lump in my throat and a pit in my stomach, even as half remembered metaphors buried deep down, you can tell this cuts deep. the emotional equivalent of thrashing about as he sinks into the heartless sea, instincts telling him to move and fight for his life even as his higher brain function knows with absolute certainty theres no getting out of this one. fighting for just a few more merciful seconds of life's tender embrace
Had this scene caught me on a bad day I would have bawled like a baby at my desk, even without the voice acting. In some of my most sad and pathetic moments from bad relationships from when I was younger, it felt a lot like this scene. Just flagellating myself over things I know I should get over, and instead of letting myself heal I’d just open up the wounds over and over again like somehow more hurt would fix the feeling. Even though we’ll probably never get Disco 2, I’m so glad we got this one.
I legit re-loaded this sequence. Because at first I wanted as much information as I could get, but afterwards I wanted my Sorry Cop to cut this as short as possible. I believe in him. He will put the past behind him.
"Real death has love for a face... the first death is in the heart" It certainly is true. I had an incredibly horrible break up many years ago, when I played this Harrier seemed like I was then -- lost, directionless and unable to let love go. If you feel this way and it keeps repeating, help yourself and those who love you - go speak to a therapist, put it into perspective, and slowly move on with your life. There are wonderful people awaiting you who won't abuse you or make you feel sad; who will elevate you, and who will love you for who you are. In the end it's all just random, we might not be here tomorrow - so dare to love again, don't do what I did, or Harrier did, and waste half a decade of your life in over-romanticised regret over someone who just wasn't right for you.
I spent a long long time feeling like Harry about my ex. Constantly breaking my own heart for them over and over again. Until one day you realize that being in the mindset of Dolores is a choice. You don't have to be miserable forever. You can be the person who moved on and not the one who needs to drink themselves into oblivion. And yes, you can do it for the working class.
@84evrimI think the most important thing I've learned after time is that no matter how low you get or how much your life reflects Harry's. The more you relate with Dora, the happier you'll be
Think about it like this: In Dora's side of the story she's a sweet, innocent and loving lady who comes from wealthy family and got involved with an older guy she thought was the coolest person ever. Then slowly she realized he is completely unstable to the point he gets abusive when pushed too far and creates misery to everyone around him. In a regular story we would be seeing all this from Dora's POV and rooting for her because that's all we are seeing, her pain and struggle to get better (which is completely fine). But this is not the case, we're seeing the side of the story from Harry's perspective. So for the whole game we're playing on the POV of the unstable abusive boyfriend of the relationship and seeing how he interprets not only that whole scenario, but everything in general on a different/kind of abstract way and it's done not to justify his actions but to understand his logic for how things ended up that way. On a personal level, I love this story more than I can explain with words because I like to see things from all perspectives and analyze how every person involved reasons it in order to understand their logic and find the best solution to a problem for everyone involved so it's very nice to see other people looking at cases like this one with that way of thinking. Disco Elysium shows us Harry's troubled relationship with his ex both from his eyes (all his skills and body parts telling him that she was "hell on earth" amongst other things) and in a more objective way near the end, where it shows us that he's been messed up his entire life (due to being bipolar) and joining the RCM was the spark that started this chain of events that'll eventually lead to his downfall, the lowest point he's ever been (because of the huge stress of police work he became more and more unstable, eventually taking it out on Dora, getting drunk, getting high and by breaking stuff around him, she endured it and tried to do her best for years until she abandoned ship before sinking into that misery pit with Harry). We all have our problems inside and we all make mistakes, but by escaping/ignoring the problems and consecuences of our actions generated by them we'll just be piling it up until that pile starts to crumble and fall on top of us. Harrier Du Bois did just that and if it wasn't for all that happened in the game (losing his memory and meeting a lot of good people) he never would've recovered. If you really took your time to read all of this, thank you and I hope you find something useful for your life in what I wrote here
Disco Elysium cuts for me so hard because Harry is so relatable to me, from how his inner thoughts talk to him, to how he constantly crave drugs in order to "boost stats" and party, and to how he feels about past relationships. I had a friend that I was deeply in love with for the entirety of my teen years, we even dated for a time. But she eventually moved away and moved on, while me and my feelings stayed behind. We met again as adults, but I couldn't stay friends with her because my love for her was still too fresh, too much. And I ruined any potential platonic friendships we could have because of it. This in-game conversation feels so cathartic to me because it almost feels like it's me moving on from the vision of her that I made in my head and moving on with my life, just as she was able to. It hurts but it needs to happen in order for me to move on and forgive myself for screwing things up.
This gives me chills. I can remember feeling like this when I was young, and how the pain felt like it would never really go away..but it does. Damn though, The dialogue in the whole game but especially this scene feels so...lived in.
Ok, I cried at this part honestly. I just went through my first breakup. It was atrocious, but this part made me feel something so unbelievable the first time, it’s my favorite moment in gaming, ever.
8:33 This dialogue has killed me; that’s what she said to me when I confronted her about how much our relationship had dwindled. That’s what she said, literally, not even vaguely hinted or metaphorically stated; that’s what she said to me while I’ve been thinking about her all the time. I really, really do not wish for anyone to understand what Harry is feeling in this scene. Not even my worst enemies.
I never saw this scene before. Im not sure whats worse, having to go through this kind of heartache after having had something like this, or never having had anything at all because of your own disconnect from other humans.
It's what the "sofa scene" at the end of Call Me By Your Name is about, another beautiful dialogue and maybe the wisest piece of parenting advice I've ever heard.
When she said "Whew" when talking about how long it would take to breakup I was like damn what a way to say that 😂😂😂😂 she seemed so exhausted but glad it's over like "glad I ain't feeling like that haha"
even volition fails to let Harry move on. if you try to say goodbye at the start of the scene, volition stops you and calls itself a fraud for wanting the same pain as Harry
I cried like a baby while playing this section. Just the fact that despite their breakup Harry still sees Dora as a Saint is so heart-wrenching... One of the best games ive ever played
This scene broke my mentality and my heart so much cause i was the harrier in that story. I lose someone who i can gave my full love my everything but i loss him with my bullshit i wanna hate him but he is so soft he rejected me so beautifully just the way he is. All i can do is respect him and stay away from him even i wanna gave my life and protect him all costs im in crazily in love with him but he dont wants me anymore i lose him i dont want to let go of him. But i need to let go and respect his desicion im living with heart with his place as hole in my heart. Its so hurts but you cant do nothing
so uhh...i didn't get this dream on my first playthrough. My jaw was dropped for the entire video. I got mental illness and i am TERRIFIED of being like this to someone, obsessing over someone, ANYONE like this. Harry, you gotta let go. Let go of the past. I sure as hell am now!
*Encyclopedia* here to help you commenters understanding what is actually happening here. I see lots of comments about experiencing same thing, not being able to move on etc. For you, it is not love you are feeling it is limerence. You basically create a version of your previous-loved one and projecting on that imaginary version of them. Just like Harry does in here. He puts Dora on a pedestal, only remembering the good things about her and have terrible view about himself. Aside from limerence, you may also learn about attachment theory. Hopefully, this will help you deal with pain coming from heartbreaks.
after watching this, I'm glad i missed it. I'm glad i didn't call her or even see her. makes it feel more hopeful that Harry made a change in that week. with the end i got to, it feels like Harry can be his best again. this story hit on a very personal level. This also makes me think that Harry moving on and being possibly a much better person than when she met him. Is all he needed. He might find the one to love him and he can love back. What a masterpiece
Now that I think about it her terminating a baby and saying it to you like that is GRIM and cold. Like for a moment her arrogance of being middle class broke through potentially, a mixture of hatred and regret, better to let go all the more.
@@randomnerd9088 its likely it came up but Harry's memory remembers it as so much more intense and hurtful. We're seeing how his mind and psyche felt about a possible discussion like this.
there are many soul-crushing moments in this scene, but your entire psyche giving up and contradicting your attempt at authority at 17:32 gets me every time: AUTHORITY [Medium: Success] - You have sworn a holy oath Harry. She herself begged you not to let you go. All you can hear is: “I was wrong, you don’t have power over her anymore. You shouldn’t have said that. I am wrong about everything. You should go on without me.”
This scene hits completely different for me. My first true love and I parted after I got stuck on a narcotic prescription for pain, quit cold turkey when the pain stopped but I was already processing the breakup by then. 6 years later, and many, many long nights, and personal struggles, alcoholism...and digging myself out of *_that_* hole, we're not only on good terms, we're officially back together. The...the time I spent in my head like this was agonizing, but it was necessary to fix myself. His voice in my head, disconnected from his name or who he was, is what stopped me from killing myself. I need to finish this game.
This dream destroyed me, this entire segment came at a time in my life when I come to realize that I'm just like Harry. I am Harry. Pray that you never have a Dora in your life, to be left behind. It is a horrible place to exist in. I am still trapped in the smallest church in Saint-Saëns.
Really, really, really can't remember being affected so much in recent memory. Closest things that come to mind is when Michel and Annabelle finally get together in Atomised, or the Elementary Particles in America. A fleeting contemplation of love in the better years of your life and an atonement with the dark, downward slide that the future holds.
They say you can’t break what is already broken, now I can say they are wrong. I cried a little inside after this scene and then replayed just to comprehend all the melancholic statements exchanged between Harry and Dora and then cried more.
So many sad saps I see here, and I, one of then. This conveys the truest layer of sadness I know, no matter how much you love each other, its nothing but a snapshot of your momentary feelings
I've been coming here for two years, I've been with a loving person for a year and a half who suited me. It was before. Now this world has taken it away from me, a little too. I restarted the game just for this passage this evening when she has just collected her last things before leaving for the other side of the world, blocking me from all means of communication. I feel like in this scene like those who have witnessed it before.
This part was incredibly depressive. İ felt extreme pitty for Harry i felt his goddamn despair. İ literally expreinced this goddmann thing in my life, i tried her for gain back for 3 years. İn my dreams over and over i saw her and everytime i couldnt be with her. İn every scenerio he leaves. This scene was incredibly depressive for me. Reminds me of my old self. And that woman get married with someone else and and i m just like Harry still try to put things together. World is shit...
When I played disco elysium for the first time I was going through a real tough time in my life in the fallout of a breakup I had almost two years prior at that point and due to the circumstances I couldn't just make amends or get closure, I just had to live with the pain. This lead to alcoholism among other things, which really put me in the same mindset as Harry. And when I got to this part I just had to stop for a week or so. It felt *too* real, too painful. Honestly it's the main thing holding me back from doing a second playthrough.
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"Brother you should put me in front of a firing squad. I have no words for how I failed you." This is the quote that gets me, not the most emotionally, but damn
Me too. That line was the reason I looked for this video. God, Suggestion is honestly one of my favorite voices. That and Drama.
5:41
I thought it was a really funny line. Not that serious.
@@samusaran13372Right. If this was something like Inside Out, the Volition character would be “Oh wow, I’ve sure stepped in it this time.”
@@samusaran13372It’s incredibly funny I agree
The way she just shoots down each and every one of your skills until they’re all just begging for this to be over, man this game is life-changing.
After you get through it you realize that the best option was "Go. Good bye."
And maybe this is a lesson worth remembering
Too bad I can't like this comment more than once.
I picked that on my playthrough and didn't realize the absolute shit storm you can get into until I saw this video... just... no words
Unless you're an emotional masochist. It's perfect for that.
@@Kitsuragi556 username doesn't check out :/
fact that i stared at the “Go. Goodbye.” option knowing it was the right thing to do but STILL tried to talk to her again really shattered me till the phasmid gave a modicum of peace
"The worst she can say is 'no,' right?"
Harry: 😂🔫
Authority - Success (Trivial)
Poverty stricken fuck
The fact that even in the middle of a dream, your brain realizes there is nothing you can say to make her want to stay. The way this same old conversation replays endlessly in your mind, right next to a literal video rental store, that you would replay old movie tapes from with her. This game is truly a masterpiece. I can't believe human beings made this.
Only human beings could make it. Only humans could make meaning of this kind of suffering.
Thats when the "Stuck forever in hell" line clicked for me, i was thinking physical, destructive behavior ect, but it actually means his mind, the rumination.
He cant escape it because it is him, the thought will keep looping, it doesent end
i was broken
"But i succeeded..."
"This was not about failure or success"
God i love that
"This was always going to be horror." 😟
4:25
"But you said I have a vast soul and you will always come back to it."
I don't know why that quote hits me so hard, but it's a line that's stuck with me. It's the encapsulation of how happy they were during their best of times. The love that Dora held for Harry ran so deep at one point. And then years later... nothing. She thinks less and less about him every day, and one day he'll barely be a thought in her mind every few years as she lives her life. I hope Harry finds happiness after the events of the game.
yeah that is an incredible line
He unfortunately does not. Harry is man with a lot of past, very little present and almost no future.
@@mikefewkes2172who says he can, that comment came from self hate and Dora thoughts in extreme it would take him ten years
In a game full of memorable moments, this is the one that did it for me. Your own mind apologizing for the decision and you beeing told that this could have never ended well, even if you did pass that skillcheck...
devastating, melancholic, nostalgic, beautiful, human...surreal... but incredibly human. The seamless melding of Dolores and Dora into one figure is just brilliant and such a relatable dream scenario. Probably my favorite part of the game.
Where is the kiss skill check? I missed the opportunity in my game
@@ianharrison3464 in the video, it´s at 2:25
Idk how you could have missed it, maybe it was bugged or smth
being
She didn't break him, he was already broken. She just stopped holding him together
That. Is beautiful
The city is the one that broke him, or broke them. He was a teacher, they met and things were good. She made him aspire better, so he joint the force, which broke him. She clearly loved him enough for them to try to make things work for some time, but eventually it didn't work and she had to leave.
I can only imagine what happened in the militia to break Harry in the first place. It's a messed up city, nothing's right.
@@yidingliu8663 Harry has always struggled with being bipolar. Things weren’t *good* from the very beginning. He joined the militia just to impress Dora though he kept falling deeper into the darkness year by year. Dora got scared and tired. She didn’t really love *Harry*, she loved the image of an edgy mysterious man that she had in her head. Once Dora started understanding it, the fog began to clear, and she felt the urge to leave, knowing that she should’ve done that a long time ago. Tying herself to Harry was a mistake from the start. “The rescue of a drowning man is the drowning man's own job”.
City, relationships, militia - everything had an impact, of course. But Harry was always unstable and *different* in the brain. *He* is the main reason why everything has changed like that.
@@tubrasko you may be right, my memory about the game isn't the most solid. Thx for clearing up!
@@yidingliu8663 no probs, mate :)
So many people would quote so much from this moment, but mine was always the very last sentence in this conversation
"See you tomorrow"
THIS is what drove Harry into what he was: a suicidal sorry man at the end of his rope. All he wanted was to be free from this nightmare that was plaguing him for... probably years
For 6 years man, for 6 years....
You know, every time we remember something it's as if our minds relive it, then change the form of the memory somewhat for future reference. It's why memories we only think of in bad times can become our worst enemies.
Six years, every night. At that point I think we'd only remember a few quips and lines she'd told us, like scraps glued together with pure unadulterated self hate.
Harry asked Gaston what was Rene's last words with him and was it something hurtful like "see you tomorrow"
"I don't want to be this kind of monster anymore"
Spirit of Revachol gave him his chance.
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"I think of you less and less every year, weeks go by without me remembering you... Months already. Soon it will be years. Every season that passes the lights get less clear." This one phrase is one of the most painful things I've ever read. This game is a masterpiece
i think if someone said that when i was feeling down, itll hurt at first. but after awhile i think its freeing in a way. (i was suicidal for a most of my life, this year i might feel somewhat okay not great but okay)
@@sircamealot6274keep holding on. it gets easier, eventually.
"Who broke my heart?"
"You both did, bratan - deep down, you know it was the both of you."
Bratushka
@@ДаняЗарицкий-г6м did it really tell you that ?? So the necktie was the only non-compromised one ?!?
@Sternertime The Tie only gains sentience if you have enough Inland Empire, and Inland Empire often warns Harry to stay away from Dora, eg. Apricot flavored wrapper, calling Video Revachol from the Union phone, the letter in the damaged ledger and the Delores Dei mural in the church.
and in this scene Inland Empire, Ancient Reptilian and Limbic system tell Harry about how its as bad as they've warned you
Inland Empire and Shivers are the only skills that don't try to win her back
"I can never think you're cool again. I can only think that way about *new* people" is the line that broke me.
That hit close to home ngl
The worst part about this is he is reliving a moment that happened.
This is a trauma dream- 3 + times a week.
Reliving the worst heartbreak you could imagine.
Also, note, Dora is Dolores Dei to him.
This is like Jesus breaking up with you in your dreams for 6 years. No wonder our guy was so messed up.
I like to think he gets to heal after this though.
I like to think that he never heals, but he begins to move on, because he managed to "reset" himself and face his traumas in a new and different way. Besides, the 41st is ready to give him a shot again, and Harry has Kim as a new friend, one who has nothing but undying loyalty and respect for him. He can finally find a new purpose
@@pabloc8808 I could've misread it, but there's a scene when you meet the Phasmid and you get to talk with it, at one point it says "promise me, you will stop" and you can ask why but it says you know and that you should stop doing it to yourself. I personally said I will, and took it as to finally let go. Man I love this game.
Harry was putting Dora on a pedestal for sure, but him combining her with Dolores Dei is surely a post-bender thing where he’s grasping at the idea of a person in his mind
This recurring dream is the reason why Harry woke up with no memory. He had spent the last 6 years drinking to stop it, to destroy who he was to end the torment... and when he finally achieves his amnesia, he just stumbles upon it once more. The dream knew he'd be back, no matter who he thinks he is.
one of the most deepest lines ever in pc games :""" this is real darkness, its not death, or war or child molestation, real darkness has love for a face. the first deah is in the heart,Harry""" - it touches you if you've ever felt that love
I've never seen a game do such an amazing job of capturing the pointless, exhausting, repetitive nature of end of relationship arguments. You understand both that this conversation is harmful, pointless, and should even be embarrassing for him but also why he feels the need to ask these questions.
As someone who has been Harry in this situation I loved this scene, even if it was a bit painful. (though the phasmid scene is still #1)
I can relate too this is why it hits so deep, repetitive nature of end of relationships it is so true..
All the loyal companions, these sub-personalities, are just crumbling down one after another. That's exactly how it goes.
"Here is the secret: there is no love in the past. Only the present. The past is made of static images, distorted memories, demented nostalgia. This, the present - with all its possibilities, innumerable hits and misses - is far superior. It is a living organism."
© Measurehead
But present cannot exist without past
@@whiteeye3453The Past does not exist, show me where is the past
@@redditastic6711 show were past didn't existed
@@whiteeye3453 past doesn’t exist in the future
You know that the author of this dialogue was there. In Harry's place. I am too now. And I hope that I can do it. But it's just horryfying to let her go. Too difficult, but necessary. I wish it would be possible. I'm trying. And memories of her are too numerous. It's like losing half of your body, your mind desperate to understand how to bring it back, how to live without it and what can it logically do to change it. Four years of relationship. A lot of everything. And it's just too much. If someone reads it, overcome it. It would be better later. Don't let it get to you. Because I will do my all. And I hope you can to
Hope you are doing better my friend, my best wishes for you
I'm currently going through a breakup with my boyfriend of four years and came back to this scene and saw your comment. It's so scary trying to figure out how to live without someone you've been so close to for so long. Anyways, thank you for your comment, this really spoke to me on another level.
@@bigcowboy6725 and thank to you too. I hope it will pass easier and better than for Harry. If you need any support, let me know
My better half broke-up with me after 7 years (lived together 5) atm. Shit is rough and that's all I can say at this point.
@@plusJan i feel you, brother. I was living with my better half for two years until we broke up last month. its been really rough and I'm still trying to figure my shit out but we'll get through this. here for you if you ever need it because sometimes it really can feel like you're the only one on earth having to feel these emotions
This is probably one of the most agonizingly cruel things that came out of this game. It really puts into perspective why Harry wants to off himself
One of the most agonizing things to come out of any game ever. The writers really know how to sink their blades into your emotions.
The dialogue that got me is when she mentions she's pregnant from the man she's with and then tells Harry that she 'terminated yours' while calling him a 'poor' f*ck. A Poverty-stricken f* ck.
That hit me quite hard.
I think it's harry internal dialogues rather than what she actually said
@@snkhuong Yeah this isn't something that really happened
@@snkhuong It doesn't matter if she said it, Harry knows that this is what she was probably thinking.
I think she really did say that, at the very very end of the game, with the bug, she tells him she was hell too, and I think thats right. We only have Harry's own reflections of the situation to go off of, and Harry's is drowning in self hatred, no matter what you do he always blames himself for what happened, and maybe that is true, but that doesn't mean she didn't hurt him too.
@@anyoneattheendoftime4932 And that's exactly why Harry lost her and why people who think this way will lose everyone in their lives. You can't predict what others are thinking, convincing yourself that you can is a long, quiet road to self-destruction and the annihilation of love. Letting self-doubt, jealousy, and paranoia creep into your relationships *infects* the people you love and destroys both of you. Harry's pain is very real and very understandable, but his self loathing over Dora is very much a wound he continues to inflict on *himself* because he can't let go of what he *thought* she was, what he *thought* she felt about him.
Just before disco Elysium came out I came out of jail. I had a terrible breakup and i had nearly same feelings with harry after I finished this game I filled up with nihilism I wanted to drink and kill my self and then after I met with disco elysium it made me crippled emotionally but at the end of it I found the power from harry. I’m trying to be sober as I played him through. This is a masterpiece that touched my heart
Good for you. Stay strong brother/sister!
And thanks for sharing.
Yaşam hediye hocam kimse için kendini üzmeye değmez
That is amazing. Go on and have a long and happy life, for Harry, for yourself. Best regards.
Hope you're doing good, man.
Never has another game been so incredibly funny and so achingly heartbreaking and sad.
And so incredibly Disco
@@Spaceman-15 We're all just breakdancing our way through the pain
One of the best games ever made.
The pinnacle of writing in any game ever. It was at this moment I knew, I'm not playing a game but I'm experiencing a masterpiece of psychological novel, maybe in the level of Dostoevsky's greatests works. Everytime I watch this scene, something in me awakes and aches. ZA/UM made history with this game. Also with the Final Cut's voiced dialogues, everything became vastly dramatic. Congratulations and many thanks to everyone who had worked on this game.
you should've uhderstood how great it is long before this scene..
I could not play this part with dry eyes, this is torture if you feel even slightly related to Harry or had something similar happen, Dolores saying it will take him 20 years to heal and how the first death comes from the heart are probably the most soul crushing lines in the whole game and they are back to back.
Understanding Harry here is something i do not wish to anyone, i had a horrible time after finishing this part despite being almost 2 years after the fact for me, and even then i still had my mind on it after a couple days, even rewatching this now makes me absolutely depressed and sad, yet i would still call this one of my favorite games of all time, what an achievement not only for the gaming media but a piece of art as a whole, it deserves to be preserved in a museum
Edit: i came back to watch this again thinking it would be ok now, i was wrong
Stay strong. I finished it last year, 2 months after a breakup myself, so I'm with you (even tho I must admit I feel good now). Hope you'll get there too eventually.
And I'd say, even better than a museum, it'll live forever in our hearts, minds and souls.
Anyway, much love to you and anyone who reads this!
For me it's the third time I am watching the scene in a period of 2 years. It just never gets any easier.
This scene hit too close to home
My wife left a year ago. She left all of a sudden. I was out shopping for half an hour, I returned and she had her bags packed and a friend coming to pick her up. It completely and utterly broke me. In the year since I've been fighting for us, trying to work through it and maybe find a path forward. I keep convincing myself that I must be insane, that my emotional reaction to the pain she caused has ruined everything. Two weeks ago I had a conversation with her that was very much like this one, only her coldness and heartlessness wasn't something that I had projected onto her. It broke me AGAIN, which led to relapsing on meth and abusing myself from the pain, the sadness, the heartbreak, the hopelessness. She never gave me a reason for why she didn't want to try to fix our marriage, and because of that I feel like it might take years and years for me to move on and heal. She's not the same person that I married any more. She moved away and thought less and less about me every day, while I drowned in sorrow holding onto the memory of a woman who no longer exists. I finished Disco Elysium for the first time last week, at the tail end of the relapse, after the final nail was driven into the coffin of our marriage. This scene literally caused me to fall off my chair and cry and scream on the floor for half an hour. To have everything that happened between us summarised so poignantly and profoundly is something that I never thought I'd find. It hurts more than anything, although it gave me a new perspective on my situation too. For that reason, as well as Harry's character and traits being astonishingly similar to my own, Disco Elysium is the most important and sacred game to me, a work of art that speaks to me on a level that few other works of art could ever hope to.
"Real darkness has love for a face. The first death is in the heart." Those words are so fitting, so emotionally devastating, so incredibly crushing, that I could never in a million years forget them.
I hope you're doing better, brother.
The pit you are in may seem inescapable but trust me when i say that there's no better place to build a solid foundation on than rock bottom. I did it the first time when i fell into the pit. Now Im doing it again for the second time. Im making the climb up that I never truly finished. But when i make it out I hope to see you there too.
Stay strong, brother.
Stay strong brother...we all go through some sorta hell!
Why the divorce?
Hey. I know, that's not my business. Are you feel better now?
>relapsing on meth
lol, and you think you are blameless?
This scene destroyed me, I emphasized with Harry so much it felt almost like i was the one being dismantled by her words. This all being in Harry’s head is an amazing way of representing his self loathing and refusal to move on. We never actually get to see what the real Dora is like, all we have is this version of her in Harry’s head, he makes her almost cruel and her words tear him apart, but she’s still angelic and almost kind in a way, in his head she’s basically a goddess despite the fact that the love they had is gone.
This is the sad counterbalance to the “Detective. Arriving. On the Scene” moment. When it’s shown that Harry is truly brilliant at what he does and in general, with his yefreitor rank, refusing promotion to stay in the field with little else to hang on to. But he is a damn good detective, and nothing can rub that out, not booze or drugs or lost love. He is the human can opener.
It is the answer to why an amnesiac man could potentially level up so many skills in less than a week, both mental and physical, you were just unclogging his memory. But they could not save him from the breakup, all of the skills failing to do anything is a reflection of what probably happened, including Electrochemistry advise of forgetting it all through drinking. For me the game is about the dangers of putting so much of your identity in a single thing, otherwise you will despair when neither Intellect, Psyche, Physique nor Motorics prove to be the omnitool that would solve all of your life's problems and grant you love, and even their powers combined are incapable of changing the past. In the end you are you, not your skills, being able to do something doesn't mean that you should, and since what "should" be done can vary between ideologies, all you can afford is to do what will leave you with a clean conscience.
Dolores has it's meaning rooted in sorrows from the Spanish word. Delores Dei's name could almost literally be translated as "God of Sorrows".
It's from Latin and actually other way around, it's "the Sorrows of God". Otherwise it would be "Deus Dolorum".
But you got it more or less right. It's meant to have that meaning in the story.
It obviously has the same root, but in french "Douleur" means "Pain".
@@Unherist And in spanish it's "Dolor" in singular and "Dolores" in plural
I don't think I'd be alive today if this particular sequence didn't play out in front of my eyes when I needed it more than anything. "It's a ticket stub... it doesn't do anything anymore." This game, because of this moment, is one of the most profoundly important and significant experiences in my entire life. Thank you.
a couple years ago i was (and still is) in hard depression, laying in bed all days, processing my break-up that happened ages before. i tried to cheer myself and playing some games, choose Disco Elysium. dont sleep several days to finish game and THAT moment happened... i didnt cry like that in my life, it was fucking insane, i think that im fucking dying of heart attack. every little part of that dialogue was relatable from calculate choices of lines to begging on my knees for him to stay with me.
and voices in my head, and auto-aggression, and pain, and insanity. i didnt relate to character so much ever in my life. that was beautiful and truly deep. what a masterpiece
I hope you're doing a lot better today mate, we all deserve happiness.
@@modest_spice6083 thank you for your kind words, im better now, at least, while my new meds still working. hope you do well too
Как ты? Увидел что на русском имя написано когда перешёл на страничку и захотелось написать.
i thought i was obsessed with this became because i had recently finished it ... 1 year later and i still keep thinking about it .... what a masterpiece
To the writer of this scene: I'm so sorry man...
What's more f'ed up is I think they all lost their jobs.
@@Kitsuragi556 "...But at least the artists have their act together-they’re qualified labour, they can get work anywhere: graphic design, ads. The programmers are doing fine, too, I mean they’re programmers. The writers, though… they’re fucked.”
"A thousand times, you beaten animal. A thousand times you've raised that fabric. What is underneath has always calmed you, centred you. Made you sane." Fuck, man...
I'm not sure if it was me that outgrew her or her outgrew me, but that's what it is. Maybe we both grew, diverged into different people that no longer recognize each other. Disco Elysium helped me realize that. It put into words a pain I could never express.
This game is so unbelievably good at putting you in Harry's headspace. I've never gone through a breakup but this scene just broke me. I had to take a break and lie down, feeling like I'd been run over by a truck.
'real darkness has love for a face' WHYYY IS THIS GAME SO CRUEL
In my first playthrough, I never slept on the fortress bed. I never saw this. Part of me is kicking myself for going through my first playthrough having botched or just never done some of the most beautiful scenes in the game, but another part of me is thankful I waited till my second playthrough. this scene hit so much harder after the couple years I had waited...words can't describe it. A masterpiece.
I haven't experienced something like this in real life but i cried at the scene! is it weird?
this character grown so much on me that it felt like it was my own life.
and why nobody mentions how epic the music of this scene is? the music makes it 10x times sadder.
Bruh this scene got me weepy too, the dialogue is written so humanly and brings a lot of emotion. On top of it it's already a depressing scene about a dude dealing with a broken heart. The music is pretty good too
I don’t think it’s weird at all, it’s precisely the mark of great art that it takes a very particular experience and makes it accessible to everyone by presenting that particularity in a way that exposes what’s common in it to everyone. A lot of great artists agree: not only do you find the general in the particular, but it’s the only honest way to do so. This game is brilliantly written that way.
Yes you learned something called emphaty
I’ve never been in love or had my heart broken so this scene didn’t affect me the way it affected others but it reminded me of my dad who passed away and I never really knew him. He was so much like Harry, struggling with trauma and addiction, because of this he would never find love and even though he was abusive and monstrous I can’t help but feel bad for him. “In conclusion - you’re ill. You’re an old, insane man and you have to be in hell until the end of your life.” and he was. Some people will never get better
i keep replaying this dialogue from time to time. i can't believe that it hits so close. "you get sad. too sad. people don't get that sad". and i've heard these words so many times. i am so sorry for my beloved ones. i know it hurts so much when the one you care about is always sad, at some point you just stop caring because it's so exhausting, and you too have to live happily. i am so sorry. i am so ashamed of myself, it's like i'm draining all the life energy from the ones that i actually love. that's why i can't really blame harry for anything - i know he hates himself for this. he keeps being a dork, he keeps hurting people. it's endless. and it is truly hell, a neverending one.
This made me ugly cry. Her job is to move on and be happy and forget about Harry. And Harry's job is to be in hell, forever. Thats my job, too. To be in hell forever.
It's not tho. You have the strength to move on too, you just have to find it. But it's definitely there, somewhere inside you. I wish you well brother/sister. Much love.
stop being in limerence bro get better put value in yourself and she'll be in hell when she see you next time
goddamn man, the cringe, the pain, the exasperated struggle of desperation, it piles up as a lump in my throat and a pit in my stomach, even as half remembered metaphors buried deep down, you can tell this cuts deep. the emotional equivalent of thrashing about as he sinks into the heartless sea, instincts telling him to move and fight for his life even as his higher brain function knows with absolute certainty theres no getting out of this one. fighting for just a few more merciful seconds of life's tender embrace
Had this scene caught me on a bad day I would have bawled like a baby at my desk, even without the voice acting.
In some of my most sad and pathetic moments from bad relationships from when I was younger, it felt a lot like this scene. Just flagellating myself over things I know I should get over, and instead of letting myself heal I’d just open up the wounds over and over again like somehow more hurt would fix the feeling.
Even though we’ll probably never get Disco 2, I’m so glad we got this one.
I legit re-loaded this sequence. Because at first I wanted as much information as I could get, but afterwards I wanted my Sorry Cop to cut this as short as possible. I believe in him. He will put the past behind him.
"Real death has love for a face... the first death is in the heart" It certainly is true. I had an incredibly horrible break up many years ago, when I played this Harrier seemed like I was then -- lost, directionless and unable to let love go. If you feel this way and it keeps repeating, help yourself and those who love you - go speak to a therapist, put it into perspective, and slowly move on with your life. There are wonderful people awaiting you who won't abuse you or make you feel sad; who will elevate you, and who will love you for who you are. In the end it's all just random, we might not be here tomorrow - so dare to love again, don't do what I did, or Harrier did, and waste half a decade of your life in over-romanticised regret over someone who just wasn't right for you.
What if you enjoy the regret?
As Harry said:
"I don't want to get better. I want to get worse."
@@UncleJaken That routine eventually becomes tiring.
@@jaygatsby3039power in misery
I spent a long long time feeling like Harry about my ex. Constantly breaking my own heart for them over and over again. Until one day you realize that being in the mindset of Dolores is a choice. You don't have to be miserable forever. You can be the person who moved on and not the one who needs to drink themselves into oblivion. And yes, you can do it for the working class.
@84evrimI think the most important thing I've learned after time is that no matter how low you get or how much your life reflects Harry's. The more you relate with Dora, the happier you'll be
“But that’s not a very good way for things to be…” crushed me. Some things just are and it breaks our hearts and we can’t do anything about it.
Think about it like this: In Dora's side of the story she's a sweet, innocent and loving lady who comes from wealthy family and got involved with an older guy she thought was the coolest person ever. Then slowly she realized he is completely unstable to the point he gets abusive when pushed too far and creates misery to everyone around him. In a regular story we would be seeing all this from Dora's POV and rooting for her because that's all we are seeing, her pain and struggle to get better (which is completely fine). But this is not the case, we're seeing the side of the story from Harry's perspective.
So for the whole game we're playing on the POV of the unstable abusive boyfriend of the relationship and seeing how he interprets not only that whole scenario, but everything in general on a different/kind of abstract way and it's done not to justify his actions but to understand his logic for how things ended up that way.
On a personal level, I love this story more than I can explain with words because I like to see things from all perspectives and analyze how every person involved reasons it in order to understand their logic and find the best solution to a problem for everyone involved so it's very nice to see other people looking at cases like this one with that way of thinking. Disco Elysium shows us Harry's troubled relationship with his ex both from his eyes (all his skills and body parts telling him that she was "hell on earth" amongst other things) and in a more objective way near the end, where it shows us that he's been messed up his entire life (due to being bipolar) and joining the RCM was the spark that started this chain of events that'll eventually lead to his downfall, the lowest point he's ever been (because of the huge stress of police work he became more and more unstable, eventually taking it out on Dora, getting drunk, getting high and by breaking stuff around him, she endured it and tried to do her best for years until she abandoned ship before sinking into that misery pit with Harry).
We all have our problems inside and we all make mistakes, but by escaping/ignoring the problems and consecuences of our actions generated by them we'll just be piling it up until that pile starts to crumble and fall on top of us. Harrier Du Bois did just that and if it wasn't for all that happened in the game (losing his memory and meeting a lot of good people) he never would've recovered.
If you really took your time to read all of this, thank you and I hope you find something useful for your life in what I wrote here
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Disco Elysium cuts for me so hard because Harry is so relatable to me, from how his inner thoughts talk to him, to how he constantly crave drugs in order to "boost stats" and party, and to how he feels about past relationships.
I had a friend that I was deeply in love with for the entirety of my teen years, we even dated for a time. But she eventually moved away and moved on, while me and my feelings stayed behind. We met again as adults, but I couldn't stay friends with her because my love for her was still too fresh, too much. And I ruined any potential platonic friendships we could have because of it.
This in-game conversation feels so cathartic to me because it almost feels like it's me moving on from the vision of her that I made in my head and moving on with my life, just as she was able to. It hurts but it needs to happen in order for me to move on and forgive myself for screwing things up.
This gives me chills. I can remember feeling like this when I was young, and how the pain felt like it would never really go away..but it does. Damn though, The dialogue in the whole game but especially this scene feels so...lived in.
Ok, I cried at this part honestly. I just went through my first breakup. It was atrocious, but this part made me feel something so unbelievable the first time, it’s my favorite moment in gaming, ever.
I swear, when i got through this sequence I just closed the game and went to my corner cry in silence. This hits way too close to home.
"It's not death, or war, or child molestation. Real darkness has love for a face. The first death is in the heart, Harry."
19:43
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This scene being optional is so masterful and yet somehow even more heartbreaking than it being compulsory
People can't get that sad, it's impossible to watch
That woman -- turn from the ruin. Turn and go forward. Do it for the working class.
I remember sobbing through this whole scene. It’s so wonderfully moving
8:33 This dialogue has killed me; that’s what she said to me when I confronted her about how much our relationship had dwindled. That’s what she said, literally, not even vaguely hinted or metaphorically stated; that’s what she said to me while I’ve been thinking about her all the time.
I really, really do not wish for anyone to understand what Harry is feeling in this scene. Not even my worst enemies.
I never saw this scene before. Im not sure whats worse, having to go through this kind of heartache after having had something like this, or never having had anything at all because of your own disconnect from other humans.
It's what the "sofa scene" at the end of Call Me By Your Name is about, another beautiful dialogue and maybe the wisest piece of parenting advice I've ever heard.
When she said "Whew" when talking about how long it would take to breakup I was like damn what a way to say that 😂😂😂😂 she seemed so exhausted but glad it's over like "glad I ain't feeling like that haha"
even volition fails to let Harry move on. if you try to say goodbye at the start of the scene, volition stops you and calls itself a fraud for wanting the same pain as Harry
I DON'T WANT TO BE THIS KIND OF ANIMAL ANYMORE
Seriously, good luck to any games trying to top the breakup theme after this.
I cried like a baby while playing this section. Just the fact that despite their breakup Harry still sees Dora as a Saint is so heart-wrenching... One of the best games ive ever played
i would go as far as to call this part of the game one of the most emotionally soul-destroying moments in any video game ever made
just finished that masterpice. funny enough my wife left me exactly six years ago. that dialogue brought me to tears and made me see what went wrong
What went wrong?
This scene broke my mentality and my heart so much cause i was the harrier in that story. I lose someone who i can gave my full love my everything but i loss him with my bullshit i wanna hate him but he is so soft he rejected me so beautifully just the way he is. All i can do is respect him and stay away from him even i wanna gave my life and protect him all costs im in crazily in love with him but he dont wants me anymore i lose him i dont want to let go of him. But i need to let go and respect his desicion im living with heart with his place as hole in my heart. Its so hurts but you cant do nothing
Man this is really fucking sad. I hope everyone here won't ever feel the pain Harry does.
This game is something else...
This scene made me sick to my stomach to play. What phenomenal writing
so uhh...i didn't get this dream on my first playthrough. My jaw was dropped for the entire video. I got mental illness and i am TERRIFIED of being like this to someone, obsessing over someone, ANYONE like this. Harry, you gotta let go. Let go of the past. I sure as hell am now!
*Encyclopedia* here to help you commenters understanding what is actually happening here. I see lots of comments about experiencing same thing, not being able to move on etc. For you, it is not love you are feeling it is limerence. You basically create a version of your previous-loved one and projecting on that imaginary version of them. Just like Harry does in here. He puts Dora on a pedestal, only remembering the good things about her and have terrible view about himself.
Aside from limerence, you may also learn about attachment theory. Hopefully, this will help you deal with pain coming from heartbreaks.
limerence you say... huh...
after watching this, I'm glad i missed it. I'm glad i didn't call her or even see her. makes it feel more hopeful that Harry made a change in that week. with the end i got to, it feels like Harry can be his best again.
this story hit on a very personal level.
This also makes me think that Harry moving on and being possibly a much better person than when she met him.
Is all he needed. He might find the one to love him and he can love back.
What a masterpiece
Now that I think about it her terminating a baby and saying it to you like that is GRIM and cold. Like for a moment her arrogance of being middle class broke through potentially, a mixture of hatred and regret, better to let go all the more.
That is really fucked up.
This is an imaginary version of the woman, so it's possible she wouldn't have said it like that, it's just the way the main characters feels about it.
Likely just Harry's insecurities and fears reflected in this deified, ideal image of his lost love.
@@kingkefa7130 It's likely that during their *many* arguments she did say something like that.
@@randomnerd9088 its likely it came up but Harry's memory remembers it as so much more intense and hurtful.
We're seeing how his mind and psyche felt about a possible discussion like this.
This part was the peak of Disco Elysium. Years later, it feels the same.
“I was……cool?”-Harry Dubois. This made me laugh so hard but also made me so sad
Dolores means “pains” in Spanish
there are many soul-crushing moments in this scene, but your entire psyche giving up and contradicting your attempt at authority at 17:32 gets me every time:
AUTHORITY [Medium: Success] - You have sworn a holy oath Harry. She herself begged you not to let you go.
All you can hear is:
“I was wrong, you don’t have power over her anymore. You shouldn’t have said that. I am wrong about everything. You should go on without me.”
This scene hits completely different for me. My first true love and I parted after I got stuck on a narcotic prescription for pain, quit cold turkey when the pain stopped but I was already processing the breakup by then. 6 years later, and many, many long nights, and personal struggles, alcoholism...and digging myself out of *_that_* hole, we're not only on good terms, we're officially back together. The...the time I spent in my head like this was agonizing, but it was necessary to fix myself. His voice in my head, disconnected from his name or who he was, is what stopped me from killing myself.
I need to finish this game.
Glad for you that everything turned out well :)
I started playing this game after my gf and I broke up. The payphone and especially this part broke me.
That “see you tomorrow” hits like a hot knife through the heart
At first I thought she cheated on him, hence the pain in remembering her, but I realize it's much much wordr
This dream destroyed me, this entire segment came at a time in my life when I come to realize that I'm just like Harry. I am Harry.
Pray that you never have a Dora in your life, to be left behind. It is a horrible place to exist in.
I am still trapped in the smallest church in Saint-Saëns.
Really, really, really can't remember being affected so much in recent memory. Closest things that come to mind is when Michel and Annabelle finally get together in Atomised, or the Elementary Particles in America. A fleeting contemplation of love in the better years of your life and an atonement with the dark, downward slide that the future holds.
Michel Houellebecq is at least as dangerous as this video, if not more.
This is the most heartbreaking moment in video game history.
"Real darkness has love for a face. The first death is in the heart, Harry." Brutal, and true
They say you can’t break what is already broken, now I can say they are wrong.
I cried a little inside after this scene and then replayed just to comprehend all the melancholic statements exchanged between Harry and Dora and then cried more.
So many sad saps I see here, and I, one of then. This conveys the truest layer of sadness I know, no matter how much you love each other, its nothing but a snapshot of your momentary feelings
You know its fucked when Authority of all skills tells you that it was wrong and you have no power to do anything here
I've been coming here for two years, I've been with a loving person for a year and a half who suited me. It was before. Now this world has taken it away from me, a little too.
I restarted the game just for this passage this evening when she has just collected her last things before leaving for the other side of the world, blocking me from all means of communication.
I feel like in this scene like those who have witnessed it before.
Why am I watching this at 2:31 am? Why would I do this to myself?!
"VOLITION: What are you doing to yourself right now?"
"Catastrophic damage."
"VOLITION: Harry, you need to stop. You're killing yourself."
This part was incredibly depressive. İ felt extreme pitty for Harry i felt his goddamn despair. İ literally expreinced this goddmann thing in my life, i tried her for gain back for 3 years. İn my dreams over and over i saw her and everytime i couldnt be with her. İn every scenerio he leaves. This scene was incredibly depressive for me. Reminds me of my old self. And that woman get married with someone else and and i m just like Harry still try to put things together. World is shit...
How are you right now if you don't mind me asking?
I fucking bawled like a pissbaby
When I played disco elysium for the first time I was going through a real tough time in my life in the fallout of a breakup I had almost two years prior at that point and due to the circumstances I couldn't just make amends or get closure, I just had to live with the pain. This lead to alcoholism among other things, which really put me in the same mindset as Harry. And when I got to this part I just had to stop for a week or so. It felt *too* real, too painful.
Honestly it's the main thing holding me back from doing a second playthrough.
Imagine getting rejected on your own dream, that must really suck
You don't even think of her, you think of what she represented. Anything more raw and there's no way possible of having this conversation.
"See you tomorrow"
Excellent writing!