Corsican Language | Can Spanish, Romanian and Italian speakers understand it?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 พ.ค. 2024
- It's high time for the Corsican language to show its face in our language challenge! These speakers of Spanish, Romanian and Italian have never learned Corsican before. Can they understand it based purely on the mutual intelligibility phenomenon? Are those Romance languages similar enough to hold a conversation? The participants use only their native languages in an attempt to communicate across language boundaries. Let us know how it went for you! :D
Corsican (lingua corsa) is a Romance language constituted by the complex of the Italo-Romance dialects spoken on the Mediterranean island of Corsica (France) and on the northern end of the island of Sardinia (Italy). Corsican is closely related to the Tuscan varieties from the Italian peninsula, and therefore to the Florentine-based standard Italian.
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🇨🇭 Simone from Switzerland
🤓 Pierre-Jean from Corsica
🕰 Time Stamps:
0:00 - Introduction
01:40 - 1. word
06:11 - 1. word revelation
07:44 - 2. word
13:24 - 2. word revelation
16:32 - 3. word
21:14 - 3. word revelation
23:57 - 4. word
29:04 - 4. word revelation
31:48 - 5. word
37:24 - 5. word revelation
38:43 - commentary in native languages
40:57 - commentary in English
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Uruguay y Argentina Is not Spanish...Is a kind of but not Spanish they speak different....yo-jo...llevar jevar...orgulloso-orgujoso....of Spanish there are 3 type the correct Spanish Castellano,the Latin Spanish from all the South America and the wrong Spanish Argentina and Uruguay...however Corsica dialect Is understandable for Spanish and Italian for sure....🖐️
@@danielepetriconi3035 non esiste lo spagnolo esiste il castellano o castigliano. Basta fantasia
Finalmente uno che dica che i dialetti corsi sono toscani. Come peraltro gallurese, sassarese, Maddalenino etc.
Vallo a dire ai francesi o ai nazionalisti corsi.
Quanta inutile ipocrisia
@@gigieinaudi24 si ma lo Spagnolo può essere Castellano o Latino (Colombia,Ecuador,Venezuela.....)il Castellano è la lingua ufficiale Spagnola...anche se dicono che anche in sud america parlano il Castellano Latino ma è lo Spagnolo latino....poi ci sono paesi come Uruguay e Argentina che parlano uno Spagnolo differente che personalmente nn sopporto visto che è molto pesante e sembra come che storpino le parole....
@@gigieinaudi24 E poi il Castigliano lo conosci solo tu.... perché si chiama Castellano... è come Roma che nel mondo chiamano Rome ma è da ignoranti xké i nomi nn si traducono rimangono sempre uguali nonostante la lingua ma questo è rispetto cosa che molti nn conoscono....
As a standard italian speaker I can say corsican is way more understandable to me than a lot of italian dialects
Totally agree. I couldn't speak back to a Corsican in their language, but I have no trouble understanding it pretty much 100%. I get the feeling that if you spoke back to them in standard Italian (or even better in some form of Tuscan dialect), they would easily understand you too.
@@tbirdparis più che toscano, mi sembra un incrocio tra francese, italiano, sardo e romanesco. comunque, per me, comprensibilissimo
Agree. I am shocked at how much I can understand (95%). I understand Venetian, I wonder if this helps understand Corsican.
yeah because it comes from Toscan exactly like standard italian
Il francese non c'entra nulla, lui ha l'accento francesizzato.
It is perfectly comprehensible for Italians! It is like ITALIAN! It's a really nice form of Italian! Really interesting!
True. I am Romanian and I get around 95% of what is said, but only because I know Italian reasonably well.
Because Corsican is an Italo-Dalmatian language like Italian
"Lingua possente, e de' più italiani dialetti d'Italia" (Niccolò Tommaseo, 1841)
(fra l'altro probabilmente l'unico vero dialetto dell'italiano, essendo strettamente imparentato al toscano anche per ragioni storiche, laddove tutti gli altri "dialetti" parlati in Italia sono lingue neoromanze che con il toscano/italiano standard c'entrano ben poco)
When you think about it, it's kinda weird that we Italian speakers can understand Corsican almost perfectly, and yet it's a part of France. But Sardinia is a part of Italy, and unless you know some Sardo you don't understand a single word when they speak...!
È basicamente Italiano con accento francese e un po' di Sardo
Always nice to see Romanian at the table. Beautiful language.
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I am embarrassed by two... things concerning Nico:
- his pride when guessing fluture;
- his lack of attention and logic when not guessing "gunoier" nor "castana" - this one is plain stupidity saying he didn't know the castan tree makes fruites!..
Plus... I do not like his face.., the attitude he's having!
@@ivdragoslavNick outside
@@iasminaepure339 como se dice- Nico e dus cu pluta...
È un dialetto italiano cmprensibilissimo più di molti dialetti italiani.
Se parlassi il mio assisano (che non è distantissimo) probabilmente avrei mandato in difficoltà il doppio delle persone 😂
Il corso è di base un toscano antico, con un sovrastrato di Genovese. In alcune zone, come Ajaccio, Bonifacio, Calvi, ecc. la lingua è direttamente Ligure.
@@damgiam7914 Ad Ajaccio è un misto, ma se non sbaglio col tempo la parte toscana ha leggermente prevalso
infatti sembra ciociaro persino l accento
@@salgatta812
Bhè... non esageriamo.
As a primarily English speaker, hearing Corsican sounds mostly Italian but every now and again French decides to make an appearance 😂
It's because the guy was grown in french and obviously, despite of his efforts, french comes out, especially in r sound. If you listen to old videos in Corsican you would hear no french interaction
@@simonebattistini6701 I did, so did most of the population of my island nowadays. It also depends on where the language is spoken. In my area, lots of people don't roll the r, but some villages above it do. I was taught to speak this way and can only do with what was given to me, which are guttural r. I do roll them when I speak Italian, it's just that around me, the people who speak corsican don't roll them, so if I force myself to do it, it sounds off in my head. But as I said, it just depends on the region, a lot still roll the r. Especially if you listen to songs, they roll them very often. But then, 300 years of french forced on the island, there has to be some modification on the language, that's how languages evolve, maybe not for the best though.
@@pjlesombre of course, i was not Judging you at all. You are a very good Corsican speaker but, as you said, languages evolves and we absorb Them. Thank you for your explanation and keep on 💪
@@simonebattistini6701 don't worry, no offense taken, it's just I know I can't represent all Corsican and I can't explain everything on the video. So I try to explain in the comments how the language works and why it sounds the way it does in my mouth. Your point is totally valid. My boss for example speaks corsican in a way that is totally different from mine and Italians struggle to understand him as well as they understand me
Most of the commentators on this video ignore the fact that in many French dialects the R’s are rolled and conversely a few Italian dialects use the “”French” R. Even some Romanians do. Ceaucescu was famous for his “French” r’s.
Woooooow. As Italian and Sardinian speaker this is comically understandable, like, I'm not even trying to understand
E certo, la Corsica è italiana.. è sempre stato così, sarebbe la ventunesima regione italiana
@@lucaesposito6896 Eh però ne sappiamo davvero poco in generale. Specialmente noi sardi, cazzo ce l'abbiamo a dieci chilometri e praticamente non ci conosciamo a vicenda
Yes I have to say it's basically Italian, Corsicans have difficulty understanding Sardinian, they don't understand it at all
@@adelasia1119 tbh, southern Corsican is very intelligible for me. I once saw an interview with a southern Corsican in my local tv station and I understood everything
@@alemutasa6189 yes because it's similar to Italian, not because it's similar to Sardinian.
The french accent is not original of the Corse language, it comes only from the fact that Corse has been part of France in the last 250 years and Corse people have been exposed to French in media and institutions. If you remove that accent you have a very understandable central italian dialect, close to Tuscan and north Sardinian.
As a french I can hear his corsican accent which is very specific, but I guess, the "r" pronunciation was closer to the italian one before for sure
@@wolffpaul8867 Yes but I doubt you are familiar enough with Italian dialects.
@@mattiamele3015 Indeed !
There is no french accent, it’s corsican accent
@@sebastiensusini3912 C' est La prononciation des " R " qui trahit , manifestement , une influence de La Langue française sur Le parler des différentes modalités de La Langue corse , de nos jours .
Au temps de Napoléon Bonaparte , par exemple , Les Corses , d' après Les témoignages d' époque , roulaient tous Les " R" , comme Les iTaliens , et La plupart des Locuteurs des Langues romanes , encore de nos jours .
Même dans Le Languedoc et en Occitanie , ainsi qu' en Provence , donc dans tout Le Sud de La FRANCE , on prononçait traditionnellement Les " R " comme Les iTaliens ou Les Espagnols , et ce jusqu' à une époque relativement récente . Mais La Langue française a imposé une influence au niveau de La prononciation de tous Les dialectes et Langues régionales pratiqués sur Le territoire français aujourd'hui , ce qui est Logique , mais un peu regrettable tout-de-même ...
Quant à L' accent , iL est bien corse , en effect .
Vive La CORSE , L' île de beauté , que j' ai eu La chance de visiter iL y a quelques années !
To my Romanian ears, Coriscan sounds like Italian with a strange half French, half Portuguese accent 😄
To my American/Spanish ears too
To my italian ears, too
Corsican is a nice language, I hope it will be preserved. As an Italian native speaker, I understood 99% of it, even without reading the script.
Yes, it's basically Italian with a few minor differences, which is weird because most regional languages of Italy, from both the north and south of the country are way more different from standard Italian and not mutually intelligible at all! What is even weirder is that most northern Italian languages have more in common with French and Catalan than with Italian, while in Corsica, which is part of France, they speak what is probably the closest language to Italian.
@@LucaPasini2 it makes sense actually as corsican is based on Tuscan mainly and so is Italian. The grammar is pretty much the same with the main difference being the verbs. The vocabulary can change but actually most of the Italian words exist in corsican some of them are just less used as we have some other that may be older. The languages from north Italy close to France have been in touch with french speakers for way longer than us and had things to do with them whereas in Corsica there was no need to speak french unless you were to go on the continent. This worked until France decided that every french region should only speak french and forget their peasant cultures. So even when french became mandatory, it's not like both languages exchanged, you either spoke corsican and were treated as a stupid peasant or you spoke french and could live a normal life. Hence why french hasn't got a big influence in it. The only huge thing is the r as you here me say in the video, but that's only where I am, a lot of corsican dialects are spoken with rolled r
@@pjlesombre were you treated like an ignorant even in corsica or just in france?
@@pjlesombre I totally agree with everything except for the fact that the similarities between French and most north Italian languages probably exist because of a shared ancestry, not because of direct contacts with French proper: I'm from a region called Romagna which has been controlled by the Papal States for centuries before becoming part of Italy, while other regions have been controlled by the Austrians, Spanish, Swiss and many more, or have been their own thing. Nonetheless all the so-called Gallo-Romance languages form a kind of continuum with similar features from Romagnol in the south-east to Friulian, Rumantsch, Occitan, Catalan and French. For example all of them are usualy not pro-drop. There are also some differences, for example most Italian gallo-romance languages don't form plurals by adding -s: Romagnol has its own absurd vowel changes, while others are more similar to Italian.
@@LucaPasini2 we need to keep history in mind for every languages. What I said about these languages was only a supposition as I don't know the story of these regions well. Let me turn it another way, may it be by exchange or by common roots, I'm not surprised these languages have common things with french knowing how close they are. Neighbouring languages always pick up things from one another, it's normal
As I always say: I'm Romanian, I speak Romanian, Aromanian, Italian, English, and studied other languages and this Corsican language shocked me how well I could understand everything he said. I recognize a lot of Italian words, French, dialectal Italian words, probably some Portugues accents.. Absolutely amazing
It would be great to see a comparison of Aromanian with other Romance speakers 😊, and maybe with other Eastern-Romance speakers: Megleno-Romanian, Istro-Romanian, though Idk if it is possible to find native speakers for these two!!
Morning, @@mohamadmosa8116 ,
There are some Istroromanian and Meglenoromanian speakers, but it's hard to find them, sadly.
Aromanians are the maniest
@@saebica Ahh ok got it. Hopefully you can arrange with Norbert a video on Aromanian, cause I got recently interested more in Romanian so I wonder how much I can understand from it 😁!!!
@@mohamadmosa8116 There is one video in Aromanian if you search "Aromanian language" where I say a few things, but I also want to get to do a video with him in the near future
@@saebica Already seen it😂 and got some of the sense of it, but yeah it would be awesome as a whole long conversation, thank you 👍
I speak Romanian... it was so easy to guess "gunoier" and "castana"... I don't understand how Nico could miss them. 🙂
Nu era concentrat. Nu era pe faza. Depinde cat esti de inspirat!
Un om mandru ca e singuru' care a ghicit "fluture" ce poa' sa pateasca altceva decat ca sa-i... iasa pe nas?!?
Oricum... nu-mi place fața lui; atitudinea pe care o are pe ansamblu, dincolo de prostia de a nu sti ca nucul si castanul sunt copaci care fac... fructe. Penibil...
@@Meridianux Cam nimic nu a nimerit, si mai spune ca parul de pe corp i se spune blana 😁😆😅....ca doar nu e animal.
@@user-xo4xj9pl1ydaaa, băiatul nu prea știe limba romana de fapt 😬
There were some confusing aspects: 1) some Corsican words induced the idea of negation for a Romanian speaker (like that "ne" from "tu ne hai"; in Romanian "ne" is like "not" and is used in forming words with opposite meanings). 2) the word "micca" sounds like "mica" in Romanian, meaning "small" (feminine genre). It's fascinating that we have the word "nimic"
Yes! I am always pushing for Romanian, my most favorite Romance language of all!
Le corse est comme l'italien avec un léger accent français (par moments un accent portugais aussi) et, selon moi, certains mots différents des deux langues. Je comprends pratiquement tout. Dans ce festival de langues romanes, je ne pouvais pas écrire en anglais. :) Merci à vous tous pour ce plaisir !
Es lo mismo que yo pensé.
L'accent vient probablement du R. À l'origine le r est roulé.
Le côté portugais vient des ti un peu palatalisés non? (Pas des chj qui sont différents)
@@aurelienbe Pas seulement, par moments j'avais l'impression qu'un Français parlait un dialecte italien assez compréhensible. L'accentuation, la mélodie.
@@wordart_guian Et la mélodie par moments aussi.
I'm Italian, from the Marche region in Central Italy, and I can understand everything that is being said by the Corsican guy. I could say that sometimes he is even speaking with the same accent as us
Right! I was saying to the ear, it sounds like Italian
a tratti sembra molisano !!
@@casomai il Molise non esiste
Ed é meglio avere un morto in casa che un marchigiano fuori la porta
Penso lo stesso, umbro/marchigiano
@@dannyjones9580 ahahaha
I'm Italian (Sardinian) and I could understand 98% of what he said; curiously enough, Corsican and Italian are pretty much mutually intelligible, as opposed to Sardinian and Italian.
So true!
Sardinian is considered one of the most conservative Romance languages, having changed little from the early medieval period, Italian and Corsican are similar because both come from Tuscan varieties instead, with Tuscan becoming lingua franca in the entire peninsula thanks to its prestigious status as literary language in Italy.
From my esperience, sardinian from the North of the island better understand me when i speak Corsica than sardinian from the south or center, i dont know if the language IS different or if they just see corsicans more often so they have accomodated (sorry if there is a lot of faults in my english, its not my usual language)
@@jean-andredelamata8319 The varieties spoken in Northern Sardinia are classified as Corsican dialects, they are a different language from the Sardinian varieties spoken in the rest of the island
@@julianfejzo4829 oh I didn't know that, but seems normal, the languages are almost the sames, thanks for this information
The Corsican host was excellent: clearly spoken and I like how he was especially patient with the Romanian speaker, who naturally was not as quick at picking up the clues
Thanks for the compliment ! 😁👍 I did what I could for them to understand as much as possible.
I really liked that too! Due to my studies in Latin I can understand most of the romance languages to a certain extent, especially Italian (and Corsican apparently as well, it's very similar), so it was a good way of brushing up my Italian :D
Because the other two spoke also Italian, while the Romanian no. If you understand Italian, you understand him so well.
”Not as quick” is like saying the snail is not a very fast animal... Some people - me included - are not good at riddles solving...
@@pjlesombre, I am embarrassed by two... things concerning Nico:
- his pride when guessing fluture;
- his lack of attention and logic when not guessing "gunoier" nor "castana" - this one is plain stupidity saying he didn't know the castan tree makes fruites!..
Plus... I do not like his face.., the attitude he's having! 🎉
Victoria told she speaks Italian, so you have two speakers of Italian vs one poor Romanian guy. Unfair! :D
Exactly I felt bad for him, but still I noticed some common words between Corsican and Romanian, and the tendency of words to end in -u.
The Romanian guy didn’t have experience with romance languages, he only speaks german and english, idk where they get these mfs
Corsican is like Tuscan dialect with French accent 😂 It's so easy to understand for an Italian.
I think it's beautiful that this language is still alive, despite the language policy in France, which is not exactly the best for minority languages 😪 Viva u Corsu! 💪
The french policy for regional languages is quite hard yes, we had to fight for a while to be able not to lose our language. But it's still there, getting stronger!
Thanks for the encouragement ! 👍😁
@@pjlesombre bravi, la Francia vi ha distrutto la vostra cultura
It is a Tuscan dialect. It's not "like", it's exactly a Tuscan dialect
@@pjlesombre unfortunately because of the forces frenchification a lot of surnames and toponyms were lost.
And that French accent... So sad to see the most Italian of dialects to be lost
@@xano2921 Corsican surnames still exists and Corsican toponymy remains alive. And there's nothing wrong with his accent.
I played this for my neighbor "Nonna" who speaks Italian and Northern Italian Dialects, she said "I don't even have to try to understand, I understand it 100%, he's speaking italian to me."
I'm 🇵🇷 - ancestors from Corsica. Enjoyed hearing the language.
La mia prozia emigrò negli anni 50 a Metz, Francia, e mai riuscì ad imparare il francese in maniera appropriata, ha sempre usato un misto tra il dialetto del mio piccolo paese abruzzese e la "lingua nuova". Ascoltare quest'uomo corso parlare mi fa pensare molto a lei.
Aggiungo: Avanti Corsica con l'indipendenza!✊
Hi guys! Romanian native here. Apart from "gunoier" every other word was quite easy to guess/understand. You offered so many clues, this is so much fun!
Bună, Daiana! Iubesc foarte mult limba ta și vizita la țara ta vara trecută a fost foarte plăcută. Vreau să merg acolo din nou în viitor când va fi posibil! Vacanța acolo a fost spectaculoasă chiar dacă am mers singur. Și acolo am mâncat foarte bine deasemenea. Am fost foarte fericit că am găsit o altă bucătărie foarte gustoasă in Europa!
Salutări din un italian care vorbește puțin limba română.
all of them were easy...but this guy... sheeesh... I got second hand embarrassment. Also, about "gunoier"... in my area, it refers to the people who rummage through garbage to find stuff ( like the hobos in the movies)... but the official job I think it's called "Colector de deseuri".
as a Romanian was very easy to guess ”gunoier”, also their word for ”garbage” was very close to Romanian ”moloz”. .
Even gunoier, but our guy is off topic. lol
@@Sofia-0001he was so off base. Even when he was saying a word in Corsican that sounded like arici he still couldn't guess (I say guess because clearly he couldn't understand a word). Vroia mură-n gură
Thank you so much for inviting me, this a was super fun experience for me.
Thank you, Victoria! It was great having you on the show! 🤗
I’m Italian from Sicily so i am native tongue both Sicilian and Italian.
I can perfectly understand Corsican, it sounds like a mix of Umbrian and Tuscan dialects (both from central Italy) with a very little hint of Sicilian, and the French “R” pronunciation (which i think it’s a product of French colonization).
PS: the word “il pelo / i peli” in Sicilian is “u pilu / i pila” very similar to the South of Corsica.
As italian native speaker from Rome, Corsican sounds like an Italian dialect from Marche-central Italy.
It's kind of Italian with a French accent. It's very beautiful.
It is Italian with a French accent :')
corsican is an invention of the french to provincialize and accomodate the national issue
Oui
@@Svnfold sfortunatamente
@@xano2921 ideed... i hope some day our cosican brothers will be able to come back home in italy .
I'm Italian (Precisely Tuscan who studies Spanish, English and German) and I understood:
100% Italian
100% Corsican (It's so similar to Tuscan omg 😯)
90% Spanish
75% Romanian
I'm pretty happy! 😀
Impressive!!!
Direi in generale molto centro italico. È ad esempio veramente simile ai dialetti del Lazio interno.
Românii inteleg , cunosc limba italiana in proportie 75%, specialistii zic ca limba română si italiana sunt complementare ,gramatic vorbind , 77% !
Românii au la dispozitie (aproximativ) intre 3 si 6 luni de studiu de limba italiana , pentru a vorbi perfect aceasta limba ,depinde de la persoana la persoana!
I love these percentages
Il rumeno forse il 30%, non di più, e anche lui mi sembrava parecchio confuso rispetto agli altri per capire il corso...
Totally understandable for a French/Italian speaker. The way Romanian is very easy to understand by the way. I find Romania and it's people so interesting, with Austro-Hungarian, Turkish, Slavic and of course Roman influence. The features of Romanians are very interesting due to these ethnic influences. (Not speaking of the roma people who look interesting too but who have totally different roots in Rajasthan).
Being part of this video was a lot of fun! Thanks again Norbert for inviting me.
You did great !
I'm Sardinian and i live in Abruzzo...i understand 100% of this language. It's practically like an italian dialect from the centre of Italy. Too bad he has a french accent.
anche io ma emigrata in Veneto. vero che sembra abruzzese/ molisano, prima cosa che ho pensato.
Lui non ha nemmeno troppo accento francese, solo nella pronuncia di certe parole
@@TheSojoboUchiwa Solo nella "erre" (che credo sappiamo tutti che se uno impara la [R] alla fine non impara la [r]. Ho dei parenti all'estero e quelli nati e cresciuti lì non sanno dire la nostra erre). Credo che comunque il dialetto abbia avuto le normali influenze della lingua francese (tipo non sa nemmeno lui quando pronunciare la "g" dolce e quando il gruppo "ghj") e usa in particolare la parola "appena" (non sono informato su un simile utilizzo in altri dialetti) ma sembra la traduzione della forma "je viens de". Poi si sente un po' di francese anche nella pronuncia di certe "d" e certe "t" enfatizzandole un po' troppo, quasi avvicinandosi all'aspirazione calabrese/leccese, ma questo è un altro discorso (bisognerebbe vedere quanto nella pronuncia del francese è confluito nel corso escludendo la "r")
@/ Quanto alla pronuncia del dialetto in sé, mi sembra un dialetto del centro, stile abruzzese quando dice shtu/a-cashtagna. E la coniugazione devi verbi sembra proprio del centro Italia. E parlando di un verbo "potere", alla terza persona plurale, lo avrà detto almeno in tre forme in tutto il video, quindi o ha un po' di confusione, oppure ci sono più forme dello stesso verbo. E le "u" finali me lo fanno assomigliare ancora una volta all'abruzzese, un po' al sardo e al leccese. Comunque, tranne la parola "chjuccu" ("piccolo") ho capito tutto il resto. Quindi comprensibilità al 99% (da italiano), e se volessi misurarlo con il mio dialetto, la comprensione scende al 90% (percentuale comunque abbastanza alta)
La cadenza sembra portoghese (o, se vogliamo, genovese).
@@markdd87 bella analisi. Per darvi qualche indicazione, ho problemi per parlare corso perché parlo italiano più spesso e meglio sfortunatamente. Quindi a volta sbaglio, soprattutto nei verbi. Per il verbo potere, la terza persona plurale corsa è "elli/elle ponu". Forse qualche dialetti usano possanu, ma non ne sono sicuro.
Per la g, non capisco ciò che vuoi dire, le parole hanno un suono o non l'hanno, non le trasformo. Ad esempio il giorno si scrive "ghjornu" dove abito io. Una grande parte delle parole che cominciano con la g in italiano si trasformano in "ghj" in corso. Lo stesso per "che" che spesso diviene "chj" topo chiamare che diviene "chjamà". Questi cambiamenti si fanno soprattutto nel corso del nord detto cismontese. Nel corso del sud detto pumontese, spesso hanno la g e la c.
L'unico vero importo fonetico dal francese penso sia la r che non si pronuncia la stessa su tutta l'isola. Io non la faccio come in italiano perché intorno a me non lo fanno. Però tanti dialetti lo fanno.
La grande difficoltà viene dai verbi come dicevo. Spesso sono gli stessi, ma le fine dei verbi in corso non sono le stesse, e per chi parla italiano meglio e più spesso è molto difficile non sbagliare... Il peggio per me è fare, perché in corso normalmente dobbiamo sempre tenere la base latina "facere" per le tre prime persone dove in italiano non lo fate, quindi "facciu, faci, face, femu, fate, facianu/fanu". Difficile non mischiare le due lingue 😅
@@pjlesombre per quanto riguarda le "g" intendo dire che una stessa parola con iniziale in "ghj" una volta è stata pronunciata [gj] e un'altra volta [ɖʐ] cioè una g dolce con la d retroflessa.
Io ho solo fatto un'analisi del parlante e non della parlata.
La parlata mi piace e, anzi, mi fa amare la differenza linguistica.
Poi comunque, come dicevo, l'analisi che ho fatto è sul parlante, ma non vuol dire criticare nel peggio dei modi, ma solo esprimere la mia vicinanza alla resistenza linguistica che fate voi corsi.
Anche nel mio dialetto (pugliese) le forme del verbo fare mantengono la seconda sillaba latina (-ce-), ma nel mio dialetto, quello del mio paese, la tagliamo. Te lo scrivo con degli accenti, diversi da quelli "riconosciuti" a livello dialettologico ma ai fini di far capire come si leggono, faccĭŏ, faĭ, fa, facēmŏ, facētĕ, fannŏ (le vocali con accento breve ĕ, ĭ, ŏ non si leggono, mentre le vocali con accento lungo "ē", e "ō" si leggono rispettivamente "i", e "u") (quindi seconda e terza persona si leggono uguali, nel mio dialetto).
Thank you so much for giving visibility to our language. Cheers from Corsica.
Omg, the Corsican language is so similar to Italian! As a native Greek speaker, who speaks Italian, I understood everything even without the subtitles! Thank you Norbert for the nice series of videos as well as the guys on this particular video!
I'm Italian, I'm really surprised to see that this language is more similar to Italian language than any other Italian dialect. It's basically Italian with a particular accent.
It’s crazy how as someone who is learning Italian in school right now, I can understand almost everything that he’s saying. To me it sounds like Italian, but with a Euro Portuguese/French accent.
It does not have anything of European Portuguese on Corsican.
brasilian portuguese and french sounds
@@diogorodrigues747 liar. It does.
@@cosettapessa6417 It's sort of true because all Romance languages are connected in some way, however you should not use European Portuguese as an excuse language. For starters, Corsican and French are syllable-timed languages, whereas European Portuguese is stress-timed. Corsican has 9 vowels, European Portuguese has 14. Most of Portugal still uses the rolled "r" in every place in the word, but in Corsica they use it like in Setúbal.
@@diogorodrigues747 i don't care about the theory which is interesting. I just use my ears.
Hi Norbert, glad we could make it! It was a really nice experience. Victoria, Nico and Simone were so nice I'm glad I got to do this with them! 😁
See you ! À vedeci! 👍👋
Thank you again in behalf of the Ecolinguist community for the contribution to the project, Pierre-Jean! Corsican is such a beautiful language! 🥳 Wishing all the best for Corsica!!
How interesting. One of the Corsican words for "butterfly" is "barabattula" and in Portuguese it's "borboleta". Close enough! 😊
And it's pretty different from other words used nearby, like farfalla, mariposa, papillon, parpaioun, papallona... Origin unknown but perhaps from Latin bellus/beautiful.
In Romanian we have sonething similar, “buburuză”, but it’s ladybug, not butterfly.
This is terrifying. As a Spanish speaker I'll have to watch my tongue in the presence of Italians, Corsicans and Romanians whenever I'm complaining about frustrating moments of life by verbally blowing off steam.
You better do! When a group of Spanish came in Romania in the 90s, they were serving diner with some Romanian at a restaurant - not good things then. So the Spanish were right when one of them exclaimed: Que porqueria! And all Spanish were shocked to see that Romanians understood perfectly - because in Romanian is Ce porcărie! (Ce is pronounced Tche)
On the surface it's like Italian with French accent, pretty cool language. Thank you Norbert for your effort and dedication
Corsican is Italian tho... It's a variety of the Tuscan language
The accent he used in the video is influenced by the fact that the guy's primary language is probably french, otherwise it would sound very central-italian, in fact you can even hear it a bit when he uses tuscan expressions.
@@Hikaeme-od3zq From my experience, that's simply not true. This guy speaks Corsican, they all have a "french accent". For french people it's just a corsican accent, very recognizable. Maybe 250 years ago, before Corsica was french the language was more central-italian, like, 250 years ago... Lol
I'm Italian, from Emilia-Romagna but now living in Ligury, on the coast in front of Corsica. I always thought their language was more similar to French but now I realized that's more similar to italian!!😍😍 OMG I'm learning so much on this channel!! Thanks Norbert!🙏❤️
Gli abitanti della Corsica sono discendenti di genovesi e pisani. In pratica i Corsi sono più imparentati agli italiani che i Sardi, che invece storicamente sono rimasti più separati dall'Italia e hanno avuto varie dominazioni spagnole. In Corsica la Francia ha però pian piano annientato l'identità corsa, di origine italiana, con buona pace della storia.
@@PVscarnebbia very interesting😍 when I attended school, years ago, I didn't study history so much... But I'm very happy to learn it now🙏🙏thanks again
è toscano medievale. Se parli coi corsi vecchi non hanno neanche l’accento francese (figlio della francesizzazione degli ultimi settant’anni, scuola, tv, maggiori scambi col continente, eccetera). By the way , anche l’italiano standard è toscano, quindi è particolarmente comprensibile.
L'accento è francese ma non la lingua, questo perché la Corsica è politicamente francese dal 1769 (nello stesso anno in cui è nato Napoleone) e ovviamente dopo più di due secoli e mezzo di imposizione francofona e di totale disprezzo verso la lingua dell'isola è ovvio che l'accento dei corsi sia diventato francese. È un gran peccato però.
well I'm afraid you 're not catching the point. absolutely not
As Italian, it's perfectly comprehensible.
100% understandable
Interesting that you say "ie" for "yes" in Corsican. In Romania we say "da" but from what I have heard we also say "ie" in Transylvania.
Hi ! Someone else wrote that in another comment. I didn't know that and I find it very interesting. We do say it like that in Corsican. We can also use "si" as in italiano but only in specific situations. Don't really know where the "ie" comes from though, I will have to search for that as I'm not sure any other languages around Corsican do say it like that. Maybe we have some Transylvanian ancestors 😂
@@pjlesombre In Welsh they also say "ie". It is a fact that the Celts co-existed with the Dacians in Romania at some point in time and I believe "ie" has been there ever since, perhaps even before the Celts came, as the root for the German "ja" is the Proto Indo European *yē (“already”). So "ie" is very old! And the Romanians have "ie" probably already before the Slavs came with their "da".
@@Alex-hz2xg
"DA" is not from the slavs, is from the latin ITA (VERO). The vocals are falling very easy, so in this case, and sometimes the counsons can change in sounds like to , to , to , to , to , to etc.
Norbert regaling us with an unexpected midweek bonanza!! Also it's noteworthy that this time around there are representatives of oft overlooked variants such as Swiss Italian and Uruguayan Spanish, as well as the Corsican language itself
Bravo!
Uruguayan Spanish is not really an overlooked variant, it's almost identical to Buenos Aires Spanish
@@floppyearfriend Spot on!
@@floppyearfriend Although I'm neither Argentine nor Uruguayan I highly recommend you not to start a controversy 🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂😂
As an italian I understand 95%, incredible.
Kinda sad how continental French people would understand Corsican less than Italians. Corsica would've been an Italian region, had the Italians never given it to France. It is even more Italian than Sardinian. The language is basically an offshoot of Tuscan.
@@lissandrafreljord7913 yeah it's true😂😅
95%? Honestly I understood everything...
@@lissandrafreljord7913 Corsica has been fighting for its independencia for 1000 years since It was colonised by Genoa. So no, I dont think they woulve joined Italy, but they could be an indepent state un the sphere of influence.
Napeolon Buonaparte was from a Tuscan and Genoan family so the ties are obvious
@@lissandrafreljord7913 sardinian is not italian
As a Spanish speaker I found Corsican; which I had never heard before, fairly easy to follow! Vivan las lenguas Romances!!
Viva Espana! Un salut cordial din Romania pentru tine!
North-Corsican language is basically Western-Tuscan (Lucca-Pisa-Livorno).
Il corso del nord è essenzialmente toscano occidentale (Lucca-Pisa-Livorno)
Tranne la parola merìa (municipio) e aviò (aereo) che sono state prese dal francese
Sou falante nativo da língua portuguesa e entendi mais de 90% do que foi falado em corso, mas admito que meus conhecimentos de espanhol, italiano e francês me ajudaram bastante. Além, claro, das legendas. Foi ótimo conhecer outra fantástica língua românica.
Idêntico ao meu caso! Meus conhecimentos de francês, italiano e espanhol me ajudaram muito. Fiquei surpreso com a quantidade de vocábulos que pude entender!
Sou brasileiro, e gostei de ouvir a língua corsa. Começa parecendo com francês e depois aqui e ali, dá umas pequenas aparências com a nossa língua portuguesa.
@@manoeldejesus2864 Realmente, parecia até q ele falava algumas palavras como brasileiro.
"casa" por exemplo.
@@DomingosCJM casa è anche una parola italiana. Credo abbia lo stesso significato sia in italiano che in portoghese.
@@sharknado623 Sem dúvida é uma palavra italiana, minha observação é mais no sentido da intonação q é bem diversa dependendo da região da Itália.
I'm Italian , and this like a dialect . It's pretty simple to understand , it's like the same language (:
A variedade das línguas latinas é realmente enorme, para mim parece uma mistura de italiano e português com sotaque francês kkkk muito interessante.
Pra mim pareceu um BR tentando falar uma mistura de italiano e espanhol. Kkkkkkkkkk
pensei a mesma coisa!!
Jaja sí, pienso igual.
Es italiano con acento portugues
@@alvaro6587 con acento gallego....
For the Romanian was very difficult to understand positive vs negative. "Ne hanno" which sounds like "nu au" which is the opposite thing. And same with the fruit, i understood that it CAN'T be found in Europe, so castana would be excluded 🤣. I did think of castana when he said on focu, but i thought not from Europe. So i had no idea what fruit it could be.
And yes some of us never ate chestnuts, so might be difficult to consider them fruits 😆
As a speaker of Italian and some Neapolitan, this was really easy to understand. Fascinating.
I'm Italian and I can understand 99%, it's just Italian, even much more comprehensible than most others Italian dialects
Va be', la Corsica è proprio la 21^ regione italiana. Cari fratelli corsi, verrò a conoscervi la prossima estate.
@@alexanderselkirk1 che noia voi che prendete tutto alla lettera... 🙄
Il corso è molto più comprensibile di diversi dialetti italiani! Interessante e gradevole.
I don't know why but I find this so heart warming! And I'm so happy that, as an Englishman living in Corsica since 2015, I could understand enough to find the answers too! Bravu à mè!
So glad to see Corsican on here! It reminds me of certain Tuscan dialects as well as Sassarese (for obvious reasons). Some Italian speakers who have the 'R moscia' kind of sound like this to me as well. As always, thanks to everybody who made this possible!
Mi sembra più marchigiano del sud e umbro meridionale (tipo spoletino)
@@MB-zn9vg Buona-sera,potresti farmi vedere che aspetto ha il dialetto Marchigiano e umbriese,par piaceri !
É propio Toscano però.. "un é micca un animale"
Sassarese is basically Corsican. It was brought by Corsican migrants.
E QUALE SIMU???? 😂
Evviva a lingua Corsa! ❤️
Forza à noi o cumpà!
Manca dillà... a nostra linguà hè a piu bella no ? :p
@@jmaiacciuu viva la corsica e la vostra lingua fantastica dall'italia
@@thejaerd4881 Yes but we have nothing to do with Italy¡!!!
@@themuscle79BONIFACIO pasquale paoli would tell you the opposite
For me, as a Romanian speaker, Corsican seems like Italian with Portuguese fonetics. Kind of hard for me to understand, although it's nice to listen to it. :)
Gunoier de foloseste si in sens pejorativ in romană. Pentru a evita confuzii se spune “mașina de gunoi” sau simplu “mașina de la salubritate”.
Vorbesc italiana si mi-a fost greu sa ma pun in locul lui Nico dar cu atât mai mult a fost mai interesant din punctul lui de vedere.
Mi-a placut:).
Cred că i-a fost greu să înțeleagă pentru că termenul „gunoi” sună diferit de ce foloseau vorbitorii de corsicană, italiană și spaniolă
That's is basically Italian, with a regional accent. Beautiful language the Corsican. I just love it😁
Corsican sounds like a French speaker speaking slurred Italian -- with every now and then enunciating a word clearly like in Italian. It's very similar to Italian in written form. As a Spanish speaker, I understood like 80% of what was said since I've studied Italian.
I would like to see/hear a Sardinian speaker (preferably from the Nuoro/Logudorese region) do this fun experiment, as well.
The "French accent" is unfortunately due to the French influence. Standard corsican doesn't have it
Sardinian is a lot different from both Corsican and Italian in both grammar and vocabulary. However in the northernmost part of Sardinia they speak a dialect called Gallurese, which is similar to Corsican, it's kind of a transition between it and Sardinian proper.
It’s definitely a slurred Italian. Like Italian on Valium.
@@MrMikkyn Lol, nice description...
@@esti-od1mz Lmao. I’m very sorry Corsican speakers.
I am not even a native Italian speaker, I am at C1 level and understand everything he says. It is literally like Italian with a small accent.
As a typical Slavic speaker, as always i understand some of Romance words, which are known from Slavic languages, but especially from my native Polish, which uses the most Latin loanwords in the whole Slavic family :)
Long time no see, szanowny Panie Iksinski :)
@@aleksinatetka Because long time no hear Slavic languages on Norbert's channel, poštovana gospođo Nado :)
Interesting how Polish uses the most Latin words out of the Slavic languages. I would've thought it would be Slovenian or Croatian, due to the proximity with Italy, and the fact that they are also Catholic like the Poles, and write with the Latin alphabet.
@@lissandrafreljord7913 Serbo-Croatian actually has a lot of them as well, especially the Chakavian variety of Croatian which is probably as filled with Romance loans as English is.
As a native Romanian speaker I can understand Corsican very well especially having studied Italian beforehand.
This was so incredibly interesting. As a native Italian speaker I understood basically everything! Great video!
Native italian here.
48 sec in, and I can say I understood everything. To me, it sounded like a Romanian speaking an uncertain but already understandable Italian.
Now my mind has blown up.
As a native Italian speaker, Corsican poses no difficulty at all, sounds like just another regional variation, and a mild one at that
As a native Italia speaker, I have to say that Corsican is like a lost brother. If someone from Italy would listen to this video without knowing what it is, they would think that it's an italian "dialect". For me, in particular, it's even more.
Corsican is said to be derived from tuscanian, and my regional dialect is very close to it, so this guy really sounds as if he came from a village up in the Apennino Umbro-Marchigiano.
Amazing.
No va beh ma fa ridere, io ancora stento a credere che Pierre-Jean stesse parlando corso e non italiano. Che diamine ci fanno accorpati alla Francia io non lo capisco onestamente 😅
@@alemutasa6189 Cerca su Wikipedia italiana la storia della Corsica e di come i francesi l'hanno ottenuta. Una bella truffa.
Wow as native Spanish speaker, this language is so easy to understand, sounds like an Italian dialect to me, with a bit a French influence
As an italian i confirm
No French influence aha, I'm Corsican and we spoke Corsican way before French came to Corsica ;)
It is an italian dialect
The almost total intelligibility with both Italian and Salentino dialect gives me shivers 😍♥️
J’ai pas mal compris le corse et j’ai pu répondre à toute les questions ! Merci grazie gracias
Sono veneto, e devo dire che la lingua corsa che parla , con un po' di aiuto leggendo i sottotitoli anche e capendo il contesto della frase ,è davvero comprensibile al 99,9%!!! Grandi! :P Non avevo mai avuto l'occasione di sentirla!
Corsican is 100% understandable to me, as much as standard Italian. It is really much closer to standard Italians than all non-Tuscanian Italian dialects, it can be considered basically a variant of Italian. There is a mild French "r" sound as the most remarkable feature.
I would say the "ghj" are more of a remarkable feature since they are actually inherited characteristics of the language while the r is just the French accent having become the norm there.
If you watch old videos on people speaking Corsican you'll see almost everyone pronounce the r like Italians do.
@@julianfejzo4829 yep, exactly... It is just an Italian dialect
@@xano2921 Not at all. Corsican is a language apart from italian.
@@hykarusiscolored739 I can tell you I am Italian and I can understand everything, much more than Sardinian for example, which Is considered a language apart and not an Italian dialect.
@@hykarusiscolored739 as was said, apart from Tuscan dialects, it's literally the closest you can get to Italian
I'm Italian and I can understand everything...it's really impressive how Corsican is almost identical to Italian
Wow, Corsican is so much like Italian, I understood it all!
He sounds like people from central Italy (Marche, Umbria…). I can understand him well, better than some other regional languages.
I'm an Italian from Sicily, I can understand everything he says and I noticed that he has many words similar to my Sicilian dialect!
Especially the word for “work” which is “lavoro” in Italian and “travagghiu” in Sicilian.
Sono Italiana e ho capito tutto. Non pensavo che il corso fosse così simile alla nostra lingua. E' sicuramente più comprensibile del sardo, pur essendo vicine come isole.
I'm Italian and I understood everything Pierre-Jean said. I didn't know Corsican was so similar to my own language. It is easily understandable compared to the Sardinian dialect, even though they are geographically near.
Il corso e piu italiano che la maggior parte di altri dialetti italiano, e una evoluzione dello vechio toscano.
sonó spagnolo che ha imparto il toscano e quando vado al nord non capiscol niente ma il corso lo capisco tutto.
Lingua fantastica! Sembra una fusione di varie lingue italiche.
Corsican is such a cool language! As a native portuguese speaker I could understand 60% of it
You can even speak Portuguese to the community~💙
Yo soy española y tambien lo he visto muy fácil.
Corsican has taken the uvular /r/ sound from French, for what I can see. This, so far, is the only real French influence I can spot in a language that sounds 100% like an italian dialect.
I'm from Tuscany and this is perfectly intelligible with italian
Fun fact, Romanians say both "da" for yes and also "ie", depends on the region. If you go to isolated places in northern Transylvania they'll say "nă, ie, mă", it means "nah, yes, dude".
"Nah" is "ba" in the places where "yeah" is "ie" 🙂
Prima dată aud 😀
they also say 'ihi' for yes, or just grunt... but is not always certain what they mean by the grunt- it may be 'yes' or... 'you are wasting my time'
Amazing as always! Corsican sounds like Italian with a heavy French accent, but more or less understandable because Pierre-Jean speaks clearly. The more I hear Romanian, the more I understand. Caught 100% of Spanish and 90% of the Italian. The part about the garbageman was funny. Bravo, tutti!
Excellent concept d'émission ! J'ai adoré ! Merci pour ce moment divertissant et instructif 🥰
I'm italian and I totally understand him, it's shocking how much it's similar to italian! 😂 It looks like an italian dialect, even more understandable to me than our other dialects ahahahah
it is part of the tuscan language, which is the language standard italian is based on.
And btw italian dialects are not dialects but proper languages. For instance Lombart or Piemontese are very close to occitan or even French, way closer than to standard italian or tuscan. Sardinian is very different from italian and any other romance language and have diverged from other latin language a very long time ago
Technically speaking, Neapolitan, Sicilian, Venetian etc. are all classified as separate languages, part of the “Italo-Dalmatian” family (which also includes Corsican). The French pronunciation of the “R” letter actually comes from French colonization, older Corsican people still use the rolled “R” like Italian.
Foarte bine! Mulțumim pentru repezentare Nick
I’m completely amazed by this. I’m a native Italian speaker and I could basically understand everything. Of course a few words I didn’t know, but overall I could understand this way better than most Italian dialects that are not close to mine, I would say. Unbelievable!
Also, a funny note: to me it basically sounds like a southern Italian speaker with a French accent and who’s lived a couple of years in Portugal 😂
Quiero darle a Norbert felicitaciones por haber hecho el canal lingüistico más interesante de todo TH-cam. Norbert, se lo agradezco este "format" porque me ha introducido a varias idiomas relacionadas a los que hablo yo. Es culpa suya que puedo entender lenguas que no hablo y nunca estudié. 😉❤
As someone already said, corse is much more understandable by a native Italian speaker then any given regional Italian dialect that is not closely related to your own dialect. These guys are really lucky, they practically grow up trilingual: French, Corse and 99% Italian!
(it's corsican in english)
One of the nicest Ecolinguist's team.
Superbe vive la Corse ~💙 Forza Bastia !
Vive l'intercompréhension !
I am Romanian, never been to Corsica or Italy understand the dialect🤩(Yayy) sounds like a meld of Italian Portuguese and French , awesome channel
Portuguese?!
Romanian here. It does sound a bit like Portuguese because of the many words that end in the letter U.
@@diogorodrigues747 Sim, português, eu também em certos momentos também fiquei com essa sensação, certos fonemas e palavras do corso faziam lembrar português.
Fabulos! Am înțeles nesperat de mult! 👍🏻😊🤗 Foarte fain, mulțam!
I'm italian and I understood everything!
It's umbelievable how Corso sounds very close ot italian (and like many other latin languages)
Amazing video!
It's such a neat idea! And I love hearing the different languages
Sono Italiana e ho capito tutto!
E' incredibile come il corso è così simile all'italiano (ma anche a tante altre lingue latine)
Video Fantastico!
Hai avuto un'idea meravigliosa! Mi piace un sacco sentire la differeza tra lingue
This sounds like regional Italian with a French accent. I didn't have to tap into my Portuguese, Catalan, Spanish or French - I just listened to this as Italian.
Primeiramente parabéns pelo canal. Super interessante! Como brasileiro entendi bastante a língua corsa, que soa bastante agradável aos meus ouvidos. Creio que não teria problema algum para me fazer entender por lá. Fantástico!
Yayyy, I love this, thank you for showing ^^
So easy to understand for us Italians!
Si on connait une langue romane, on comprend à peu près toutes, et je vous le dis comme une fille parlant deux langues slaves et deux langues romanes. J'adore la Corse, la langue corse et un grand merci pour ce vidéo!
Corsica is italian
The guy speaks with heavy French ‘influence’, because younger people learn the language at school after French. There are older Corsicans who used to speak Corsican at home with family and who can speak ‘clean’ Corsican without any French sound and it is remarkable because you can clearly see how Corsican language is an Italian dialect. Very interesting video!
As a Spanish speaker I could guess all the words! I had no idea I could understand a bit of the Corsican language! This blew my mind!!! Thank you. I love this!!!