Will The Veteran's Committee Elect A New Hall Of Famer? What Will Happen To His Card Prices?
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- The Hall of Fame is a pinnacle of success for retired athletes. The Baseball Hall Of Fame doesn't just elect recently retired players, they also elect veterans as well. Knowing that card prices will likely go up for unexpected Hall of Fame additions, it results in an interesting discussion of who may soon be elected. Several names are mentioned and suggested, and it will be interesting to see if any of them are in the next Hall of Fame class. And, whoever is, there will likely be a spike in their card prices as so many collectors are continually putting together collections of Hall of Fame players.
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Dale Murphy is the biggest shaft to me. 7 time all star. 5 gold gloves. 2 time MVP. 4 silver sluggers. The 1980's Braves teams had every game broadcast on cable. He was the reason I got into baseball. And many others. He needs to be in.
I agree on Dale Murphy. He should be in.
Dale Murphy is out and Fred McGriddle is in. Makes perfect sense to me……not!
@@XZOL445 Nobody on the planet would not want Dale Murphy as a spokesman for the game. I'd be overjoyed to see him in!
Luis Tiant’s numbers are surprisingly good. He should get a look.
He is certainly a guy that deserves consideration.
An argument can be made that El Tiante is the best Cuban player to ever play in the Majors.
Pete Rose also played a long, long time (more games and more at bats than anyone else in baseball history). That's how he broke the hit record. I agree about the punishment needing to fit the crime, and Rose has been banned for 38 years. On that subject, Joe Jackson has been banned for over 100 years, and there is no evidence he was involved in the 1919 world series fix. He was a victim of circumstance! In 1920 there was a trial over the Black Sox scandal, and Shoeless Joe was acquitted of any involvement. Joe died in 1951 still proclaiming his innocence. Joe Jackson should be reinstated and enshrined before Pete Rose.
Rest in Peace Pete Rose.
Personally, I think Rose and Jackson should've been in years ago.
If we go by Harold Baines, half of the league deserves to be in. If I was the Sports Czar, I would declare that we ignore Mr. Baines' botched entry, and keep the standards high.
LOL. HIlarious.
Tommy John not being in the HOF by now baffles me.
I think he'll get in.
Why should Tommy John be granted the title of hall of famer? Because he got hurt? Make the argument based on his baseball skill… which he absolutely is a borderline, legit candidate… but you don’t get granted that honorific because you got hurt and came back and now people colloquially refer to your injury by your name
@@davidwilsing1545 288 major league wins. 7th most by a left handed pitcher in major league history. Enough said.
That was my Tommy John rookie purchase and I have you to thank for that. That card was never on my radar until you mentioned on one of your episodes how cheaply it can be purchased for. I got it even lower than I expected so thanks for turning me on to that card. Btw I am commenting from a huge off road gravel truck. I work at a gravel mine and can watch and comment on your videos while I wait to get loaded. It’s totally safe l pause the video when I am driving across the mine. Love your videos thanks Graig.
Great purchase Tim!!
Thanks for using my Ken Boyer response. This was another awesome question with a lot of great player suggestions from the community.
To answer this week's amazing question. Buy buy buy! I'm saving to buy the iconic cards from this era, especially the rookies. There are so many amazing cards from the 50s and 60s that I don't have because, really, I've only been focused on vintage for 4 years or so. If I don't buy them now, I may never have them. I'm not getting any younger, and my card card budget has never been higher. Buy baby buy! Thanks as always, my friend.
I love it. I'm buying, too!!
Cmon people Lou Whitaker WAR 75.1 NUFF SAID. No he did not play for the Yankees. If he had he would of been in 15 years ago.
I think he eventually gets in.
It is a fact that Lou Whitaker will be a hall of famer. It’s a foregone conclusion. And will historically be one of those strange/weird anomalies that will be brought up for how weird voting goes sometimes.
@@MidLifeCards I hope you are right and I really enjoy your content.
Can’t believe you never even got to Dale Murphy. He, Pinson and TJ are by far the most deserving, IMHO.
Most of Murphy's career is 1980 and after.
@@TriviaKing-o3l Looks like you are right. I watched him mostly in the '70s and that's how I remember him. Still deserving, but guess he has to wait even longer.
I posted comments of people that were mentioned more than once by viewers. Viewers didn't mention Dale Murphy, which is why I didn't include him. Had people mentioned him, I would have included him. In my opinion, he belongs in the HOF.
Another great video Graig. Thanks for featuring my comment. You had me cracking up at the Mookie and Jersey reference. That was great
LOL. Mookie is great. I've gotta razz him.
Players who belong in the hof, Nettles, DParker, both Dwight and Darell Evens, R Allen, D Baker,
I love that Nettles pick. I also agree on Dave Parker!!
Crazy timing for this video with the passing of Charlie Hustle. Great points made for each one in the video for making it in.
As far as this week’s question
I’m buying, but in all fairness, I was buying before the dip. The only difference now is I’m getting more for my money. It’s crazy to think how cheap some upper tier HOF players are going for at the moment.
Crazy timing, for sure.
Garvey, Munson and Rose for me! Love Munson’s ‘73 Topps and Garvey’s ‘74 Topps!
See my comment above about Rose and Garvey. Garvey... He was my guy in the late 70's and 80's.
I'd put all three in right now. I agree.
Curt Flood , Vada Pinson, Ken Boyer three of my favorites as a kid. Pinson when with the Reds was just as good as Frank Robinson as I saw them destroy the Cardinals in a double header at Crosley field. Growing up in St. Louis Boyer was the Captain and Flood the ultimate hitter and defender. I own game used bats of Boyer and Pinson but missed my chance for a Flood. Three of my heros besides Stan Musial.
Well said. Love it.
I love your videos Graig but I might have to refrain from watching this or reading the comments…
This topic is one that irks me to no end. My personal HOF standards should be the legendary immortals only. It’s so watered down now it completely diminishes the significance in my eyes. It’s the hall of fame not the hall of pretty good. There’s a big difference in a hall of fame caliber player and “just” an all star caliber player.
Apologies to Harold baines, Scott rolen, Fred mcgriff, Todd Helton and company - all very good players - but the only way they should get in the hall of fame is by purchasing an admission ticket like the rest of us. They should NOT have plaques next to babe Ruth, Willie mays and Hank Aaron.
I know my opinion is not a popular one so I don’t think I can stomach watching people trying to make a case for dale murphy or Lou Whittaker 😂
I totally respect that. I don't mind people wanting a stricter standard for the hall of fame. The hard thing is when lesser players get in, and others don't, it's tough to leave them out.
@@MidLifeCards right. And that’s part of the issue… there’s always going to be the “next best guy who’s not in”. If Tim Raines is in then how is so and so not in???
If it were up to me - if you’re not voted in your first 2 or 3 tries then you’re simply not a hall of famer. Pretty simple. How you get bypassed and rejected 12 years in a row and THEN all of a sudden you’re HOF worthy on eligibility year 13?? That makes zero sense.
@@craigs.t.3321 the MLB is the most exclusive HOF in any sport with only 1% of the players in. I guess there are some people like you that would like to have a handful of players elected every decade, but most fans believe the top 1% is great enough. It is imperfect and once in a while a Harold Baines gets in because his former manager and owner are on the panel, but that is the exception.
Totally understand your feelings…but Lou Whitaker is arguably like the 5th best 2nd baseman of all time. His exclusion is a travesty.
@@davidwilsing1545 Whittaker is a top-10 2nd baseman of all time no question but to me that doesn’t necessarily make him a hall of famer. He’s lumped in there with all the other very good 2nd basemen- Jeff Kent, chase utley, Robinson cano. All top-10 2nd baseman and while they were all very, very very good… none of them were legendary or generational which to me is the standard of the HOF. But we can agree to disagree. I def respect your opinion!
I think the Hall of Fame standards are low. There are too many players that were good, or merely stars of their era. The Hall of Fame should be reserved for GREAT players. Winning one Cy Young or one batting title isn’t good enough. Winning zero Cy Young’s or batting titles isn’t good enough. Playing for 20 years isn’t good enough. Having many Great seasons should be necessary. The fact that someone is named to the Hall of Fame increases the value of their rookie cards baffles me when they weren’t GREAT. Bill Madlock was a great player with 4 batting titles as a third baseman. He blows away Curt flood.
I totally get that and respect a tough hall of fame standard.
Pete Rose aka Charlie Hustle is now Eligable to get in. Rip!! Legend!!
Love your videos and baseball knowledge. Keep on, keepin' on!
Thanks so much. That really means a lot.
Hi Graig,
Excellent topic today. I really feel for Mattingley and Munson. I can only hope that they get their respect soon.
Hope that school is treating you well!
Best Wishes,
Peter
Thanks Peter. I hope things are going well for you!!
Hi Graig. Excellent topic, choices and reasoning behind possible election into the Hall. I always really enjoy your content. Talk soon my friend.
Thank you kindly!
Hey Graig, interesting to see what the HOF committee will do. Who knows. You should do videos of the other Hall of Fame’s also. As far as pricing dropping, I’m more picky on what I buy. I’m still buying and holding. Thanks again
Good thoughts. Thanks Don!!
cool list. just this weekend i pickec up curt flood rc (sgc 5) and vada pinson (raw) as ive watched some similar vids and thought it was time to add (also added raw cepeda rc ad im progressing towards a less expensive hof rc run.
Awesome stuff. Great cards.
They should go down to pre-Covid prices, that's the point. Looking for to the next video in which prices aren't discussed.
If you're not interested in watching my videos, nobody is forcing you to tune in. Since "Covid Prices" we have had huge amounts of inflation, meaning dollars are worth less than they used to be. So, while it's only 3 or 4 years ago, there is nearly 20% inflation adjustment that affects current "values." I've talked about that several times.
@@MidLifeCards Essential items are expected to increase with inflation, not sports cards.
When dollars are worth less than they used to be, it requires MORE of them to buy everything.
I'm so glad that Thurman Munson had so much love. And still does. It's such a shame that he's still not in the baseball hall of fame. My Dad was born in New York, and was a Yankees fan. Mantle was his favorite, but Munson not far behind, and I would love for my Dad to see Thurman going to HOF, where be belongs. The thing about the Veteran's Committee, is there's only 16 votes. You need 12. Also, can only have a few people on the ballot. If there's a few people on the panel that have a grudge or whatever or there's a candidate like Baines, that had the people on his side. Yeah. I'm trying to be optimistic. This year is the year. 🙏
Totally agree about the smaller panel making it harder.
I tried to send you a photograph of the Greg Nettles rookie that I just purchased. Somehow failed to send!? Super super nice! Perfectly centered. No flaws that I can see! At least a 9 grade and possibly 10 grade. It will likely be in my collection for a long time, awaiting his possible if not likely HOF nomination! Maybe if I live to a hundred in 2054?!
I got it. It's a nice card. The centering is great. It has some corner wear though, which should really affect the grade.
If Jack Morris is in, David Cone HAS to be in.
Cone is a guy I think should get more love.
Boyer, Tommy J, Allen, Flood, Bill Dahlen....and Keith Hernandez and Dave Parker (not sure which committee they would be considered by since their careers started in the 70s but went well into the 80s).
Great choices.
For your next week's discussion I feel the "50's to '70's star card prices are going down because a lot of collectors are turning to lesser available cards-- oddball and pre-war. As someone who has collected those cards for 30-40 years, I've noticed in the last 1-2 years that I've really had to pay more for those lesser pop count pre-war and "oddball"cards. I'm not sure if this will be a cycle and return back the the way it was, or if this is a trend that will continue. I kind of think it may continue. From your HOF talk it looks like most folks attention is on players from the '50's through the '70's. I think John Donaldson, a pre-Negro League ace and Bill Dahlen, a SS of 75WAR from the turn of the century have better chances. Thanks for a great listen as I bike!
I agree that some of the "oddball" sets are starting to attract a lot more attention from collectors.
Bill Dahlen. 75 WAR. Should easily be in the HOF!
I agree and I'm shocked he wasn't widely mentioned.
Good question, Graig. Here are my thoughts on 1960's baseball cards. At least Topps. I don't know as much about the ''odd ball'' cards from the 1960's. I like collecting 1960's Topps. The Pete Rose rookie card is an expensive card though, I prefer his 2nd year. The '64. The Tom Seaver rookie card still has demand. I believe it's a high number. The Nolan Ryan rookie card. Or as some would say; the Jerry Koosman rookie card, is one where if you're an ''investor.'' You would want that card. I mean vintage collectors should want it, too. It's a great card. So that being said. I believe the 1950's has overall more iconic hall of fame rookies. And arguably stronger designs. There isn't a design from the '50's I don't enjoy. Those factors could be contributing to some of the price drops you are seeing with, the '60's decade. The prices seem to be back near pre Covid levels.
If money is the motivation. Then no, maybe not, there are other options than the '60's. One more possibility, I want to mention is that, maybe a lot of collectors already have the cards from the '60's they want, and have moved in to other parts of the market. Just spitballin' here like, Gaylord Perry. His rookie card is in the 1960's. Jim Palmer, an Orioles player in the 1960's rookie card. Seems under appreciated. I mean I could really go both ways, when it comes to the 1960's decade. There are certainly some players that just don't have as much hobby love. I don't really have any doubles of cards. But I bought my Palmer RC, for like $100 bucks. I would buy another one for the price.
Great comment. Thanks Andrew.
@@MidLifeCards Thanks Graig. Just heard the news, Pete Rose. Passed away. He was 83. RIP.
Oh my just now watching this an hour after Pete passes away talking about the timing of your comments not that they were bad at all but well-rounded and respectful if not even handed and good way to put an epitaph on my hero from my childhood growing up in SW Ohio and watching and him the Big Red Machine play what a team what a player and for once the Yankees took a back seat for awhile.
Sad that we lost a legend and that he never got to be there as he was enshrined.
Yessssss! Glad it made it. Loved the story abou lt the Mike M card. 📮 Did you test the QR on the back of that '90 No Name Rickey? 😂
Dang. I missed that!!
@@MidLifeCards you know I like the low key angles. 🔎🔎🔎
I keep beating myself up that I missed it on the Rickey "card".
@@MidLifeCards 😹
Graig I am currently on the sidelines and only buying individual choice cards at this point which have a “chance” of upward appreciation potential. The market uncertainty is concerning, as many new players, such as so-called experts and other influencers, have caused damage to the hobby (in my opinion). Long story short, I am in a cautionary stance mode…and the unrest in the Middle East and the Ukraine, coupled with a new President in a few weeks makes it difficult to predict the future of the hobby, economy and world overall. I tend to be an overthinker and analyze just about everything as an FYI. That is what we Virgos do I have been often told…
I like this answer. Lots of questions out there that could affect things a lot.
Graig, the Baseball Hall of Fame used to be sacred to me. No other sport could touch the history of Baseball. I would look forward every January as to who was voted in and then the inductions in July.
Then Bud Selig was elected to the HOF in 2017. I’m sorry but i never took it seriously after that.
This man was Commissioner during the 1994 Strike that almost killed the sport (i still believe the sport never recovered as a National part of pop culture as is more of a regional sport to popular markets. The Yankees have a great fanbase but no one cares in Tampa and Miami because of the payroll discrepancies.
Selig was the Commissioner during the Steroid Era and looked the other way when it was obvious PED’s were tainting the record book.
Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Sosa, ARod, Palmeiro all have stats that make them Hall of Famers. But they have not been voted in for that specific reason. Yet the man who presided over that whole era gets elected? Sorry, but that’s a joke.
I totally agree that Selig getting in but other people associated with that era not getting in, is an absolute joke.
Great video. I'm certainly buying. I was priced out for a while. If we are talking Topps and Bowman, there is a ton of this stuff available . The prices should be dropping as they are not "rare" .
I just looked on Ebay and saw at least 6 '52 Mantles for sale....not hard to find.
Fair points.
True...just hard to afford. Lol.
@ACD1994 for sure!
Spend my budget throughout the year - prices ebb and flow and I am not smart enough to time the market. Unfortunately The National only happens once a year and I always spend more than half my budget there. So wherever prices sit each year at The National is the level I add the most to my collection. Cards I bought a decade or more ago I could barely afford now. Cards do fine over long time horizons and I likely have 20 to 40 more years to keep adding. I am sure my last year of collecting (will make anything I buy in the next decade seem cheap!
I try to save a huge amount of my budget for Strongsville and the National.
Pete belongs in the Hall of Fame. RIP Charlie Hustle.
I agree with you.
We need Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Sammy Sosa, Pete Rose, Mark McGwire, Jose Canseco and many more in the ⚾️ HOF!!!! Say what you want these and other player saved baseball!!!!
Rose, Bonds, and Clemens are no brainers in my eyes.
Its funny that this the question because just last week I responded to one of your videos saying that 60's cards are dropping and 50's are holding on. So that's my answer to the question I'm pro 50's and negative 60's, that and I love cards from 53 to 58.
50s cards do seem more special....and rare.
I for one would like to see Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame. But the fact that bedding is more pervasive now than it was then is not the argument. The argument against Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame, is that he bet on a game that he is directly involved in. When I bet on my Teams, I’m not involved in the outcome in any way. Wish it were different.
I get it. Personally, he was still an incredible player, and to me the Hall of Fame should be about the best players.
Shagging Fly balls in the outfield or lolly gaging around infielding ground balls isnt as Vaueable as one would think. In oredr to win games you gotta score runs. DH who rakes or a Cy Young caliber pitcher who gets you a dozen wins or more per season is more Valueable. I Really feel like the Yankees are close to making Judge a permanent DH. Its to risky to put your most valueable weapon out there with the general population to shag fly balls.
Appreciate your points.
I would like to add Dick Allen and Luis Tiant. Both of these guys had great years and were great players. As for Rose, he knew what he did was against the rules and should never be allowed in the HOF. Just my opinion. Thanks for sharing.
I'm shocked Dick Allen didn't get more suggestions.
Graig Midli$$$e for hobby president! Geoff Wilson for VP! The best thing about the two G's is they don't collect or follow the sport, so you know their picks aren't compromised by favoritism for certain players, sets or teams like all the vintage card collectors are. The two G's understand that baseball cards are financial instruments no different from oil futures. I remember putting $400,000 into 1952 T206 Goudey Ernie Blyleven cards right before he got inducted into the hall a few years ago. Quadrupled my money overnight then went out and purchased three lambos. I'm closely following the two G's investment advice for the upcoming HOF induction. 🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀
I'm endorsing John Mangini for hobby president.
Yes way to Thurman Munson! His post-season batting average was awesome! I adored him as tiny girl in the mid-1970s. There are tons of historical and intangible reasons for him. First Yankee Captain since Lou Gehrig is an example. I have never been to the Baseball Hall of Fame, but hope to go one day. I want to see Thurman Munson and "Donnie Baseball" there! ⚾. - Heather (your friendly neighborhood Yankees fan).
I love friendly Yankee fans!!
The continuing love for Munson baffles me. He was a very good player, not a great player. He is remembered for two reasons, his premature death and the fact he was on the Yankees, period. If he would have been on the Royals nobody would even bring him up. Want proof? Ted Simmons took forever to get in and he was clearly the better catcher.
I disagree. I met Rod Carew and he went into this whole speech about how the game changed. Players are not tough and determined anymore. He specifically mentioned Thurman Munson and his game. The guy was next level. There is a reason he was named Yankees captain. Stats are a small part of what should be included in HOF consideration.
I have to agree with you. His premature tragic death gave him a notch up over others of being known as a really good player.. So many others deserve the HOF over him.
Yowzer!!
Munson was better at baseball than Simmons.
@@ACD1994 as proven by...?
Could you imagine a HOF plaque praising his “contribution to player pay.” I support market based salaries, but this achievement (?) is not something that contributes to a HOF resume.
I'm not sure that's what it would say. It would say something like, "pioneer for player rights."
I’m always buying something, but in the current market I’ve been buying nicer more expensive cards and will continue to do so until those cards increase in value to the point I am priced out.
@@MidLifeCards😬
Flood is mostly known for his pioneer for the plight of players though, he was a very good player who was edging closer to a hall of fame career, and was blackballed from baseball, when he was still fairly young. One of the best outfielders of his era.
Not buying unless I see a good deal on something I need . Saving up for Strongsville next year .
I'm saving already, too!!
Al Oliver, Tommy John, and Dave Parker are the first three that should be in for me. Tommy John name is also famous with the surgery, that should get him in alone.
Dave Parker is a great choice and someone that nobody else mentioned.
@@MidLifeCards He fits the two check boxes for me. League MVP and having a great nickname. If your name is "the Cobra," you deserve to be in the HOF on that alone.
@@MidLifeCards I know Mangini would have. Must be a Pirates fan. 🏴☠
That was a timely video with the ending being Pete Rose. I personally believe that Dale Murphy should be in the Hall of Fame. As for your question for next week, I am going to hold. I’m not buying cards for the same purpose as I would stocks or bonds. They are for my enjoyment. It also wouldn’t make sense to sell something when it is going down anyways. You should only sell when it is up if you’re collecting for investment purposes.
Dale Murphy is a great choice.
I agree with Tommy John, I'm on the bubble for Munson. I watched Munson play and he was one of the best catchers from that era, but his unfortunate death and resulting shorter career seems to be a factor. There's so many bubble candidates, many already mentioned. I always thought Darrell Evans, Dwight Evans and Dave Parker are deserving. Huge stats from all 3. I know people often don't put a lot of value on a long career, but playing at a high level over 15-20 years and putting up the stats these guys did is very compelling. Same goes for Tommy John from the pitching standpoint. I mean, Gaylord Perry falls in that category.
Oh, and as a Reds fan, you know my position on Vada Pinson. But his numbers resemble the guys I mentioned above so hard to argue any of them should be held out.
That's what makes the whole discussion fun!!
Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, Dale Murphy, and Roger Clemons > I have not been a serious MLB fan since the 1994 baseball strike. However, I saw all of these guys play and if the gate keepers for the HOF don’t think they are worthy, then that pretty much invalidates the HOF for me. I know that you primarily discussed Pete Rose and I get that because the case to keep him out is very weak. I never so Joe Jackson play, but his case is even better. When common sense doesn’t prevail, which unfortunately happens too often, most reasonable people understand what should happen. Only time will tell if this gets corrected.
To your question this week, I fall out side of your options. I follow the trends for the 1950’s baseball cards as you and others have laid it out, but these are not targets for me now. The only two I would target (1953 Topps Mantle and 1951 Bowman Mays) are out of my price range. It is possible I will someday buy these, and maybe a few others. However, I am trying to consolidate my collection, so not looking to add a lot of volume. I am more focused on vintage football, Caitlin Clark, and some other non-baseball cards.
Thanks for the video!!!!
I completely agree with you. I feel very simiilarly.
@@MidLifeCards I saw a few tributes to Pete Rose today. These were from sports people, not card people. One said this “I was always against Pete Rose being in the HOF until I realized it is a museum. A museum telling the story of baseball should include Pete. He made an impact and that is just fact. He should have been put in while he was alive, but even not he still belongs.” I agree with this sentiment.
A true hall of fame would highlight the players and people that created the fan base. Fame is about stories, not numbers. I remember a debate about Lynn Swann and the football hall of fame. He was one of the best players on one of the best teams ever. His stats weren’t great, but everyone knew who he was and how great of a player he was in his playing days. Chris (the collector, investor, dealer did analysis of Eli Manning for the football HOF. He made both cases (in or out) based on numbers. Crazy! Most NFL fans know who he is and that he is 2-0 against Brady in SB’s. His legacy on that basis alone should have him in the HOF.
This is an interesting topic, but it becomes complex if you put too much focus on the numbers. The games have changed over time. I do math (statistics) for a living and I know how numbers deceive. If you just use common sense it isn’t that complicated.
Thanks for your videos!!!
Thurman Munson makes Harold Baines look like chopped liver...
😅
LOL.
I would say the greatest Mexican player of all time, Fernando!
Interesting that nobody mentioned him before.
If rose gets in then shoeless Joe Jackson follows
Both should be in, in my opinion.
@@MidLifeCards Yeah, but you would let a pirate in if one played baseball well enough. 😂
Garvey is my choice. I think Delgado should go also
Garvey seems so obvious to me. I can't believe he's not in already.
Pete Rose did more good for baseball than he did bad.
I agree.
Great Video! LETS GO YANKS!
Go Yanks!!
I think Rose will get in... but only after he assumes room temperature. On the subject of bad behavior... Is it the activities of his self described end of career mid-life crises that has kept Steve Garvey out? His numbers are comparable to many of the names being dropped here.
I totally agree. I don't understand how Garvey isn't in the HOF.
@@MidLifeCards Not making a political statement, but I'm sure his fit of infidelity, the family issues that followed, and how that was all in stark contrast to his playing years image, are getting rehashed in his senate run. I don't think that helps is HOF chances.
@@MidLifeCards Garvey has the same career WAR as Harold Baines. If there's a 1st baseman who, deserves to be, in the baseball HOF. It's Keith Hernandez for sure; the best fielding 1st baseman, too.
His infidelity was a personal matter outside of baseball. Rose issues were directly with the game itself. Totally different. If baseball judged players only by their outside activities, half the players in the HOF wouldn't be there.
Don mattlily, lou Whitaker, Dwight evans,and Thurman Munson should be in hall
Great choices...
RIp Pete Rose. Crazy that this video just came our.
Crazy, for sure!!
My prediction is that Rose gets in but not much price spoke
I hope you're right.
Will people please F’ing stop with the “tell the story of baseball bullsh*t” when it comes to players “making” or “not-making” the hall of fame? There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of what the hall of fame is. When you are elected, it is an honorific, a title, granted to you like the peerage. Yes, an incredible honor, but the “story of F’ing baseball” is told thoroughly in the museum. Pete Rose, Clemens, bonds, shoeless Joe, are ALL prominently documented in the museum. They have simply been denied the honorific title for the reasons we all know. It’s disingenuous to ignorantly keep references me this tired trope about the “story of baseball”… Jesus
For what it's worth, the 1st page of the Baseball Hall of Fame's website states: "Baseball connects us: Generation to generation, fan to fan and rival to rival. Experience its history and live its story. Round third to Cooperstown now."
RIP PETE ROSE. Now he has a better shot of getting in the HoF, as sad as that is.
Maybe. Though Shoeless Joe Jackson passed away in `1951. He's not in the HOF .
I sure hope he gets in this year.
RIP Pete Rose
So sad.
GET ready... Pete Rose family.. Your time is here.
I sure hope you're right.
No Graig Nettles love?
I know, right!?!?
Different sport, Gayle Sayers, all need to say
One of my all time favorites.
Pete Rose now. This is so sad. I guess he can be on the next BBWAA ballot now his ban is over.
Maybe. But then, shouldn't Shoeless Joe Jackson receive the same treatment? He passed away over 70 years ago.
@@ACD1994 I don’t know much about Jackson but I looked up his stats and they are nowhere close to Rose, so it does not seem like an apt comparison beyond the fact they were both banned for betting.
@@benjaminlyng8269 .356 BA. .423 OBP. ,940 OPS. OPS + 170. I mean those aren't HOF stats?
@@benjaminlyng8269 Only reason Joe Jackson's counting stats aren't there is because he was banned from baseball in his prime, age 32. At then he already had 62 WAR-- much more than Rose had at age 32.
@@halfcenturycollectingcards to be honest I do not know what WAR is other than it does not occur on a single HOF plaque as far as I know. I cannot name five active MLB players, but I just know Rose was beloved by many millions and not sure what Joe Jackson could of/would have done or how a group of guys throwing the World Series remotely relates to Rose’s stature and contributions to the game.