That sound is called oscillation. It's high frequencies bleeding through the circuit when it should be shunted to ground. There are probably 20 reasons this could be occurring but the main reason is some components are out of spec. A bad tube will be the other reason.
@@shaneclemens Probably most of the people that needs to buy the reissue is not the kind of person that knows how to fiddle with amplifier circuits.. 😆 I'm happy here with my Quad on the desk...
It’s a shame what’s going. Hope Gibson finally learns that marketing to dad rock players or dying on the “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” hill is going to kill their reputation in the end.
Thanks for the compliments! I’ve finally gotten a better video up with the amp miced. As for the whistling issue, it’s not really something that will be noticed by most people. I can get it to happen if I copy the settings, but they are so far away from what I would normally do. Even as far back as the Mark III manual it warns that these settings can cause squealing. It seems most players run the masters between 2-5, so will never run into this, but pushing that to 8 and having the bright switch on is sure to cause issues. Great video!
Bingo! Its kinda funny that someone's "unusal settings" have created a shit storm of conspiracy, like: "Mesa didn't want you to find out about this issue!! or "Is that why they didn't let anyone touch the amp settings in their video??" To be fair, previous Mark amps do NOT have this issue, I tested my own MK3 and maybe the new one shouldn't do it either but it until we get some insight into the "problem" if it is one at all.. this is just creating a bad rep for this Amp, people are saying they won't buy one now lol.
I agree, Soldano did an awesome modernization of the reissue of the X88R. All the modern controls and features with both new and original tones. That's what Gibson should have done.
There are pictures posted on a Mesa Boogie page on Facebook and on Rig-Talk of the inside of the chassis of the original Mark IIC+ and the reissue which compares the two. They are very different. According to Mike B. the layout affects things. If the new reissue has reported problems with microphonics at high gain, it may be due to cross-talk internally from a different layout. If the new one has issues with being used with high gain settings it doesn't serve the purpose of what players want it for. It seems ridiculous that the manual of the reissue has caution remarks about how to set the amp, the original never had that and others have posted that the original models don't have the microphonics issue. There are still original models out there and you shouldn't have to settle for a below par knock-off.
Paul's amp never should have left the test bench with that oscillation. I believe it is an oscillation, not "microphonics". Sad, but no worries, im picking up a MKIII Blue stripe on Thursday 😎
I have a JP2C and only got this sound when I engaged the stred mode with my already high gain settings, but when I turned down the gain it stopped. Now I never played a original IIC+ to know if this occurs in those amps, but the JP2C is a IIC+ reissue as well, but a modernized version while the new reissue is a as true to form recreation. I don't think this is really a issue, but I will not know for myself until I get mine in the mail in the coming weeks.
remember the metal crowd can be very snobby. if you don't show the super chug chug then the amp sounds like shit and so does the demo. if you highlight the chug then wow, sounds amazing. Same thing happened when the mark VII came out.
Why buy an amp known for recording Metal to play anything else? It pisses me off when someone does a review of a Dave Mustaine V, for example, but they spend the video playing Chuck Berry.
@@FortressofShredplayers are free to do what ever they want with their amps, not everyone is a metal player so you aren’t always going to hear that. Any amp can be dialed in for a ton of different genres. It can actually be a bit refreshing to hear something other than chug chug. I understand what you are saying but, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with playing Chuck berry on a DM V, especially if you can do it well.
@@TheDarkKnightDKThank you! The Metal chug crowd think they rule the guitar amp market and that a release like this is only meant for them to play Master of Puppets riffs.
You should reconsider, basiclly someone has managed to find an "issue" with an extreme setting that almost no one would normally use. I've never had my Lead Master beyond 3 ..EVER.. except for this test.
@shaneclemens I hear you, it was the whole thing about professionals setting it up and it was supposed to be this super awesome event, but for that much money I want my hair blown back. They didn't convince me, maybe if I see it in person and give it a try I'd consider
I have a Bogner Uber that was made in 2019 and it is solid AF. If you want a perfect amp for metal, the Uber will get you there. I recommend any iteration of the Uber. I have owned Diezel, Mesa, Orange, Peavey, EVH, and ENGL. They are all A LOT of fun, but for me, the 6L6 EVH 5150 and the Bogner Uber are the best.
Its so weird how much hate Gibson gets. I bought a 2020 LP classic and i love it. Mesa is coming out with new amps instead of just making lunch boxes of everything. We should be thankful that we have a few US companies still making amps.
Hey Lucas - Thanks for the call out on my video! I made an A/B comparison between the IIC+ Reissue and my Original '83 IIC+ DRGX here: th-cam.com/video/QvPd4xzjSeU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=wdBtXricB04m8D0x
I’m seeing people here say that they have other mesas that do this and excusing it. The bottom like is a brand new amp from the factory should be able to be cranked to 10 on every pot and not go into runaway oscillation. I’m not saying it would sound great tonally but it should not do this. I get that most of the guitar community has a huge Mesa boner and “I have had one amp that’s worked fine for 25 years, therefore every amp they’ve manufactured is flawless” seems to be the common sentiment, but the reality is they’re happy to take your money and continue to churn out shit like this until collectively we demand better quality products from them.
I dont think they should have updated the reissue. Though that could have been entertaining and most likely equally succesful that robotuners and ’play authentic’-video were. About that squeel, extreme setting can do that. But if you still can be in the same room let alone talk over it, settings are not extreme. I dont understand why people are so defensive and say well that’s just normal and user error. It’s not.
The Sweetwater video was very clear to me, they wanted to present the amp as a versatile amp not a METAL amp, and that was the huge error. The 2 main succesfull bands that made the IIC+ famous where not included, Metallica and Dream Theather. Another HUGE mistake.
I was (un)lucky to have watched the video too before it was pulled. Yes, they were trying to show versatility, but there were moments when something in the Metallica ballpark was played and it was horrible.
I would run that first volume low and crank that master volume on the IIIC. If I understand the IIIC that volume on the left by the inputs is the program volume or overall volume. You want to leave that low and crank the master behind it you might have more control of the volume that way. You never want to crank the volume and use the gain or other volume upstream to control how loud the amp is.
@@truescotsman4103 Yep. Master is master as the name implies. Modern Marks simplify things because Volume I has a fixed value and there's no Lead Master either. Just 1 gain and 1 master per channel.
I agree with you 100%, I will say, an “upgrade and modernized” version of the iic+ already exists as the jp2c, i want one of these amps really bad but its not just practical for me, im better off with a mark v 35 bc of the cabclone, solo boost, and separate channels and voicing options, and 2/3 of the price (even less actually)
These old(new) Mark amps were the progression of make shift mods and hotrods that Randal Smith had built a business on -these tone stacks can do some weird and less than ideal things as a result. Sound fantastic when you find that sweet spot though. Guitar amps are at the edge of stability by default, just the way this circuit behaves. Not defective… just real
That guy has a bad ground causing that oscillation. If there is a bus wire soldered across the pots, I would bet money that there is one spot that didn't get soldered good enough. The settings on the amp were terrible though, it almost had to squeal.
I’ve had several boogie amps I do have a 84 C+. Not one of them has that whistle. Now I am an engineer so I keep them in top-notch but yeah, that whistles not supposed to be there.
Sounds like he needs an isolated input. I have a Marshall style amp that squeals in my system. I run the input cable through an isolated transformer and that doesn’t happen anymore. Radial sells one. I have the lehle
Honestly, the metal player crowd is going mostly digital these days, zero reason to pitch a basically single-channel $4k tube amp to those guys. Or to anybody TBH. The people who will buy this already know what it is and what it does and it will be cool for studios, Metallica tribute bands or any old school metal and hard rock fan who has chased this tone. For anybody that hasn't always wanted one or can't afford it, it's just a very expensive old amp reissue. No need to add anything to it either, that's what all those other Mark series amps over the years did.
All Gibson had to do was relic the tolex, slap a crunch berries sticker on it, call it the Metallica limited edition and sell them for 10k. But Gibson likes to fuck up a good thing, that's kinda their vibe
Well look at that, internal feedback just like the originals. There is feedback between gain stages due to sloppy wiring. A tech has to go in there and screw with the physical wire positions until the squeal stops, and then permanently affix the wiring in that position so it doesn't return. This is the problem of having way too much gain in an amp.
I watched every high demo on YT with the old amps and they had even more extreme settings, no oscillation, no squeal. I don't believe in the bullshit that this is normal and the OG amp had this problem as well.
Not sure what your talking about, your just summing up a bunch of other people's content. The amp release was tremendously popular, you heard of it, initial shipments sold out, now people wait. It's a single channel amp, there's 3 channel amps for the same price, but people want it, that's due to excellent roll out. You don't think for yourself and just jump on the bandwidth of copying other context and content It doesn't make sense to make a different Mark C2+, there are already several, you want something more than the JP? Like what exactly, your going to design something new? It's the nostalgia of offering access to a classic. T
Gibson lost the plot a long time ago. For me, when they bought Cakewalk, ruined it, then dropped it entirely. I assume it became a victim of Blackrock/Vanguard/Mainstreet investment firms taking total control
If I was Gibson I would hault production and let everyone overpay for the new ones that are out there. Turn it into a extremely limited run. That will fix the complainers. Everybody begged for old technology now your complaining. They really need this headache?
It’s only 70% the same components. Which is why Mesa never made more in the first place. They don’t sound the same. Gibson being Gibson. Others copied that other guy’s settings and they also squeal. It’s the amp.
This is a funny scandal. I don't really pay close attention but I noticed some buzz about this new Mesa IIC+ reissue. I guess the dam broke huh? There are so many vintage Marshalls and Mesas on Reverb what the hell are you guys doing buying some new amp when these classics are sitting out there. Also, top amp makers pay close attention to how the filter caps are formed in the factory by performing a filter cap forming operation on them. Fender used to be very good at this. All amps get a little forming treatment but if you do it right it really sweetens the amp for the showroom floor so when a customer tries it in the store it sounds how it should. If the caps aren't formed properly the amp will sound lackluster and even a new Mesa or Soldano will be less than impressive. Average players can't hear it but pros always do. I don't think these amp makers know how to build amps anymore. I think they use substandard methods and processes and the QC is horrible if it exists. Cap forming isn't really necessary you can build and amp and bring up the power slowly and if it runs it's good you can unhook it box it and sell it and it will work fine. How that amp is use will have an impact on how it sounds because the caps aren't fully formed when you get them amp. These online retailers are taking advantage of this sales model and I think they're skipping cap forming. This is why all vintage Marshalls sound different. The caps form differently over time and the amps sweeten over time because of how the caps are formed. You have to include this into the equation when evaluating a new amp if you're serious about what you're doing.
The treble control on the Mark series is pre-gain so it shapes the distortion, hence why the bass is typically set low in conjunction with treble around 7 for tight punchy tones. You get high bass and treble with the GEQ if you want that.
He has his lead master way to high. I messaged him . His Blue stripe has less gain. I told him to turn his master up a lil and turn lead master down. These are complicated amps. I owned a MKIIc+.and a Blue stripe. If the lead Master is up way too high, it's overloading pushing too much signal into the master . Now, of that doesn't work then it could be a design layout problem. High gain amps arectricky on layout. Yes..their video sucked azz
The problem is that many of the components that are part of an original mkIIC+ have been out of production for years. I doubt they had so many spare parts in stocks to do a reissue at scale, It's just more probable that they tried replacing them with "equivalent" components. Sum it with the lack of patience that business have in these times and you cut out the quality control out of the chain :).
I’m actually over Gibson. Sold off my mark v yesterday (pre Gibson) Off loaded my ‘59 Les Paul months ago. Feel nothing about it. Greedy conglomerate that’s been sold a few times over. I don’t even get why u guys are still whining. Find something else and get on with it. Life is too short. They’re taking y’all for a ride.
That sound is called oscillation. It's high frequencies bleeding through the circuit when it should be shunted to ground. There are probably 20 reasons this could be occurring but the main reason is some components are out of spec. A bad tube will be the other reason.
modernized iic+ is on the market already : Vii, JP2C
Every Mark series amp after the Mk II C
@@wadereynoldsgmexactly!!
Mesa did update the Mk II C when they released the Mk III, Mk IV, Mk V, JP2C and Mk VII.
It’s not microphonic’s it’s oscillation there’s so much gain in the amp. It runs away into oscillation.
Maybe they changed layout?
@@amimaster Apparently they did.. but why the hell is it taking so long for someone to remove 4 FN screws and take a look!!??
@@shaneclemens Probably most of the people that needs to buy the reissue is not the kind of person that knows how to fiddle with amplifier circuits.. 😆 I'm happy here with my Quad on the desk...
It’s a shame what’s going. Hope Gibson finally learns that marketing to dad rock players or dying on the “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” hill is going to kill their reputation in the end.
Dad rock players are the one's with the money to buy their high-end models, dumbski. This isn't rocket science.
@@JediCrackSmokeFACTS!!
Thanks for the compliments! I’ve finally gotten a better video up with the amp miced. As for the whistling issue, it’s not really something that will be noticed by most people. I can get it to happen if I copy the settings, but they are so far away from what I would normally do. Even as far back as the Mark III manual it warns that these settings can cause squealing. It seems most players run the masters between 2-5, so will never run into this, but pushing that to 8 and having the bright switch on is sure to cause issues. Great video!
Bingo! Its kinda funny that someone's "unusal settings" have created a shit storm of conspiracy, like: "Mesa didn't want you to find out about this issue!! or "Is that why they didn't let anyone touch the amp settings in their video??" To be fair, previous Mark amps do NOT have this issue, I tested my own MK3 and maybe the new one shouldn't do it either but it until we get some insight into the "problem" if it is one at all.. this is just creating a bad rep for this Amp, people are saying they won't buy one now lol.
I agree, Soldano did an awesome modernization of the reissue of the X88R. All the modern controls and features with both new and original tones. That's what Gibson should have done.
Is there a way to watch the original video? Anyone know?
There are pictures posted on a Mesa Boogie page on Facebook and on Rig-Talk of the inside of the chassis of the original Mark IIC+ and the reissue which compares the two. They are very different. According to Mike B. the layout affects things. If the new reissue has reported problems with microphonics at high gain, it may be due to cross-talk internally from a different layout. If the new one has issues with being used with high gain settings it doesn't serve the purpose of what players want it for. It seems ridiculous that the manual of the reissue has caution remarks about how to set the amp, the original never had that and others have posted that the original models don't have the microphonics issue. There are still original models out there and you shouldn't have to settle for a below par knock-off.
Paul's amp never should have left the test bench with that oscillation. I believe it is an oscillation, not "microphonics". Sad, but no worries, im picking up a MKIII Blue stripe on Thursday 😎
I have a JP2C and only got this sound when I engaged the stred mode with my already high gain settings, but when I turned down the gain it stopped. Now I never played a original IIC+ to know if this occurs in those amps, but the JP2C is a IIC+ reissue as well, but a modernized version while the new reissue is a as true to form recreation. I don't think this is really a issue, but I will not know for myself until I get mine in the mail in the coming weeks.
I went back and listened to some of the demos and they didn't sound all that bad. They weren't metal sounds but they weren't garbage either.
remember the metal crowd can be very snobby. if you don't show the super chug chug then the amp sounds like shit and so does the demo. if you highlight the chug then wow, sounds amazing. Same thing happened when the mark VII came out.
Why buy an amp known for recording Metal to play anything else? It pisses me off when someone does a review of a Dave Mustaine V, for example, but they spend the video playing Chuck Berry.
@@FortressofShredplayers are free to do what ever they want with their amps, not everyone is a metal player so you aren’t always going to hear that. Any amp can be dialed in for a ton of different genres. It can actually be a bit refreshing to hear something other than chug chug. I understand what you are saying but, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with playing Chuck berry on a DM V, especially if you can do it well.
I have to disagree. I thought those demo tones sounded anemic even for dad rock
@@TheDarkKnightDKThank you! The Metal chug crowd think they rule the guitar amp market and that a release like this is only meant for them to play Master of Puppets riffs.
I was hesitant and that video talked me out of buying it completely
Look for a JP2C instead. I have one and I'm so happy that I have one. I would never get this money grab 2C+ reissue...
@@khomaniac1217Everything for sale is a money grab. No one is in business for charity. People have been asking for this for years, now it’s here.
You should reconsider, basiclly someone has managed to find an "issue" with an extreme setting that almost no one would normally use. I've never had my Lead Master beyond 3 ..EVER.. except for this test.
@shaneclemens I hear you, it was the whole thing about professionals setting it up and it was supposed to be this super awesome event, but for that much money I want my hair blown back. They didn't convince me, maybe if I see it in person and give it a try I'd consider
I wish I could have seen the video while it was up, I don't know where to find it now.
I have the Mesa Boogie Triple Crown TC-100 Head and I have to say this is the best amp Mesa has put out in a while
I have the 50 Watt combo and absolutely love it
I take it you've seen my video since this clip starts off using a part of it.
Thank you. And you're welcome.
how long is the amp ? Will it stack on top of two 1x12's stacked vertically ??
I have a Bogner Uber that was made in 2019 and it is solid AF. If you want a perfect amp for metal, the Uber will get you there. I recommend any iteration of the Uber.
I have owned Diezel, Mesa, Orange, Peavey, EVH, and ENGL. They are all A LOT of fun, but for me, the 6L6 EVH 5150 and the Bogner Uber are the best.
Its so weird how much hate Gibson gets. I bought a 2020 LP classic and i love it. Mesa is coming out with new amps instead of just making lunch boxes of everything. We should be thankful that we have a few US companies still making amps.
Hey Lucas - Thanks for the call out on my video! I made an A/B comparison between the IIC+ Reissue and my Original '83 IIC+ DRGX here: th-cam.com/video/QvPd4xzjSeU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=wdBtXricB04m8D0x
@@eldoradoguitars6456 yes! Watched it last night at the gym! Thanks for linking it!
@@LucasLeCompteMusic Thanks man! I really like your channel. Been watching for some time. Nice to finally connect.
My Caliber 50+ does the same when I set the triple on 7 or more... If I set it on 6, then it's fine!
I’m seeing people here say that they have other mesas that do this and excusing it. The bottom like is a brand new amp from the factory should be able to be cranked to 10 on every pot and not go into runaway oscillation. I’m not saying it would sound great tonally but it should not do this. I get that most of the guitar community has a huge Mesa boner and “I have had one amp that’s worked fine for 25 years, therefore every amp they’ve manufactured is flawless” seems to be the common sentiment, but the reality is they’re happy to take your money and continue to churn out shit like this until collectively we demand better quality products from them.
Studio Pre and a 2:90
Its like having a real C++ , x2
I dont think they should have updated the reissue. Though that could have been entertaining and most likely equally succesful that robotuners and ’play authentic’-video were.
About that squeel, extreme setting can do that. But if you still can be in the same room let alone talk over it, settings are not extreme. I dont understand why people are so defensive and say well that’s just normal and user error. It’s not.
The Sweetwater video was very clear to me, they wanted to present the amp as a versatile amp not a METAL amp, and that was the huge error. The 2 main succesfull bands that made the IIC+ famous where not included, Metallica and Dream Theather. Another HUGE mistake.
I was (un)lucky to have watched the video too before it was pulled. Yes, they were trying to show versatility, but there were moments when something in the Metallica ballpark was played and it was horrible.
I'm a Metal player but not interested in playing Metallica or DT.
I had a studio pre amp (Mark 2c pre amp) and no whistle (ice pick highs though...you could dial em out of the originals)
I think this phenomenon is normal, especially you use unpotted pickups and stand very close to the amp
I would run that first volume low and crank that master volume on the IIIC. If I understand the IIIC that volume on the left by the inputs is the program volume or overall volume. You want to leave that low and crank the master behind it you might have more control of the volume that way. You never want to crank the volume and use the gain or other volume upstream to control how loud the amp is.
Volume I is input gain. It cascades with Lead Drive to give the famous high gain.
@@pip5528 So the master volume is the last volume in the signal path before the power section?
@@truescotsman4103 Yep. Master is master as the name implies. Modern Marks simplify things because Volume I has a fixed value and there's no Lead Master either. Just 1 gain and 1 master per channel.
I agree with you 100%, I will say, an “upgrade and modernized” version of the iic+ already exists as the jp2c, i want one of these amps really bad but its not just practical for me, im better off with a mark v 35 bc of the cabclone, solo boost, and separate channels and voicing options, and 2/3 of the price (even less actually)
These old(new) Mark amps were the progression of make shift mods and hotrods that Randal Smith had built a business on -these tone stacks can do some weird and less than ideal things as a result. Sound fantastic when you find that sweet spot though. Guitar amps are at the edge of stability by default, just the way this circuit behaves. Not defective… just real
That guy has a bad ground causing that oscillation. If there is a bus wire soldered across the pots, I would bet money that there is one spot that didn't get soldered good enough. The settings on the amp were terrible though, it almost had to squeal.
He set everything to 10 on his MKIII in the last video and didn’t have any squeal
I’ve had several boogie amps I do have a 84 C+. Not one of them has that whistle. Now I am an engineer so I keep them in top-notch but yeah, that whistles not supposed to be there.
Sounds like he needs an isolated input. I have a Marshall style amp that squeals in my system. I run the input cable through an isolated transformer and that doesn’t happen anymore. Radial sells one. I have the lehle
Basically they made one expencive tube osiclator! Oscilator with only one useless frequency. :D
Honestly, the metal player crowd is going mostly digital these days, zero reason to pitch a basically single-channel $4k tube amp to those guys. Or to anybody TBH.
The people who will buy this already know what it is and what it does and it will be cool for studios, Metallica tribute bands or any old school metal and hard rock fan who has chased this tone.
For anybody that hasn't always wanted one or can't afford it, it's just a very expensive old amp reissue.
No need to add anything to it either, that's what all those other Mark series amps over the years did.
your name is not Lucas, it's BUCAS!
I guess all the folks that panic bought when Gibson bought them were right. good work folks. Hope you enjoy the last of the real Mesas.
Would love a lunchbox Mark IIC+
The mark5 25/35 exists already all they need to do is drop some 6l6 power tubes in instead of el84 though i love mine the way it is
All Gibson had to do was relic the tolex, slap a crunch berries sticker on it, call it the Metallica limited edition and sell them for 10k. But Gibson likes to fuck up a good thing, that's kinda their vibe
El Dorado Guitars says his reissue is not doing the Mesa whistle at all. Even with more extreme settings than Paul A’s
Did he check for a bad cap?
Leave it to Gibson to screw up an amp that's already been designed.
Nice SHUSH for the Tea Time, non after 7 o'clock. Tschüß Nie stać mnie. Thanks.
How to f' up the reissue of one of the greatest amps of all time? Let Gibson market it.
Well look at that, internal feedback just like the originals. There is feedback between gain stages due to sloppy wiring. A tech has to go in there and screw with the physical wire positions until the squeal stops, and then permanently affix the wiring in that position so it doesn't return. This is the problem of having way too much gain in an amp.
Sounds like its a pretty accurate reissue😂
@@RoyBelmont Amazingly accurate.🤣You'd think they would have learned the first time around.
I watched every high demo on YT with the old amps and they had even more extreme settings, no oscillation, no squeal. I don't believe in the bullshit that this is normal and the OG amp had this problem as well.
Just buy a Mark III red stripe and you're 90% of the way there...for $2K-$2500.
Not sure what your talking about, your just summing up a bunch of other people's content. The amp release was tremendously popular, you heard of it, initial shipments sold out, now people wait. It's a single channel amp, there's 3 channel amps for the same price, but people want it, that's due to excellent roll out. You don't think for yourself and just jump on the bandwidth of copying other context and content
It doesn't make sense to make a different Mark C2+, there are already several, you want something more than the JP? Like what exactly, your going to design something new? It's the nostalgia of offering access to a classic. T
Gibson lost the plot a long time ago. For me, when they bought Cakewalk, ruined it, then dropped it entirely. I assume it became a victim of Blackrock/Vanguard/Mainstreet investment firms taking total control
If I was Gibson I would hault production and let everyone overpay for the new ones that are out there. Turn it into a extremely limited run. That will fix the complainers. Everybody begged for old technology now your complaining. They really need this headache?
It’s only 70% the same components. Which is why Mesa never made more in the first place. They don’t sound the same. Gibson being Gibson. Others copied that other guy’s settings and they also squeal. It’s the amp.
This is a funny scandal. I don't really pay close attention but I noticed some buzz about this new Mesa IIC+ reissue. I guess the dam broke huh? There are so many vintage Marshalls and Mesas on Reverb what the hell are you guys doing buying some new amp when these classics are sitting out there. Also, top amp makers pay close attention to how the filter caps are formed in the factory by performing a filter cap forming operation on them. Fender used to be very good at this. All amps get a little forming treatment but if you do it right it really sweetens the amp for the showroom floor so when a customer tries it in the store it sounds how it should. If the caps aren't formed properly the amp will sound lackluster and even a new Mesa or Soldano will be less than impressive. Average players can't hear it but pros always do.
I don't think these amp makers know how to build amps anymore. I think they use substandard methods and processes and the QC is horrible if it exists. Cap forming isn't really necessary you can build and amp and bring up the power slowly and if it runs it's good you can unhook it box it and sell it and it will work fine. How that amp is use will have an impact on how it sounds because the caps aren't fully formed when you get them amp. These online retailers are taking advantage of this sales model and I think they're skipping cap forming. This is why all vintage Marshalls sound different. The caps form differently over time and the amps sweeten over time because of how the caps are formed. You have to include this into the equation when evaluating a new amp if you're serious about what you're doing.
The Mark VII sounds better than the IIC+ Reissue.
That's exactly why i am having that amp shipped to me.
This is informative and unfortunate.
"They didn't do nothing new" really dude? Have you heard of the mk3, mk5 or mk7?????????????
Who on earth set the treble so high on a Boogie? This is not a Marshall amp!
The treble control on the Mark series is pre-gain so it shapes the distortion, hence why the bass is typically set low in conjunction with treble around 7 for tight punchy tones. You get high bass and treble with the GEQ if you want that.
He has his lead master way to high. I messaged him . His Blue stripe has less gain. I told him to turn his master up a lil and turn lead master down. These are complicated amps. I owned a MKIIc+.and a Blue stripe.
If the lead Master is up way too high, it's overloading pushing too much signal into the master . Now, of that doesn't work then it could be a design layout problem. High gain amps arectricky on layout. Yes..their video sucked azz
The problem is that many of the components that are part of an original mkIIC+ have been out of production for years. I doubt they had so many spare parts in stocks to do a reissue at scale, It's just more probable that they tried replacing them with "equivalent" components. Sum it with the lack of patience that business have in these times and you cut out the quality control out of the chain :).
You reissue an amp like Mark IIC+ and who do let demo it?!!! Papa Het! Otherwise it's not a demo...
I’m actually over Gibson. Sold off my mark v yesterday (pre Gibson)
Off loaded my ‘59 Les Paul months ago. Feel nothing about it. Greedy conglomerate that’s been sold a few times over. I don’t even get why u guys are still whining. Find something else and get on with it. Life is too short. They’re taking y’all for a ride.
Marked safe from buying one of these.
Mike Landau Dann Huff lots of better tones than Metallica
Now we know why they set the amp for a dad rock tone and didnt allow any influencers to change the amp settings! 😂 it oscillates and screams 😅
Boogies are poorly designed. Watch some repair vids to see what kind of a mess they are. They can sound great, but when you look under the hood......
So poorly designed that I have a dual rec from the 90’s that still works perfect almost 30 years later🤷🏼
@@nathanboggess8379strange isn’t it? My DR, Stilettos and MkIV and Mark III have the same unfailingly longevity…! 😂
@@SolaChristus lol yep..my 2007 Roadking II.. perfect… my 2020 JP2C… still perfect. Imagine that… must be “poorly designed” 😂🤘🏼
Moron comment
I have heard that since late 90s the electronics became poorer quality