I think the important lesson here is that, in a world full of digital reverb options, it’s nice to have a piece of hardware that actually limits the optional parameters.
I worked thoughout the late 70s, 80s and 90s and its good to see that the spx is still doing its thing...for young engrs like yourself. Class never dies. But if you want to really check out reverb. Rev 7 is all you need.
I've been using a SPX900 for my guitar rig since the '90s. It is a multi-FX like unlimited SPX90s that can be stacked, saved, and recalled. I've always loved the sound of Yamaha equipment, from the DX7 to the PM2000 to their grand pianos.
I add gated reverb just enough to fatten and widen the snare, without adding enough to make the snare duration sound longer. Then, I add ambience reverb to the gated reverb returns.
And you're exactly right - it is a balance between new, old, tried and trusted. Sometimes I'm lucky with clients that a c-part opens the doors to "have fun" - but it always have to serve the music.
hey ! i have a suggestion could you make a video about Sonnox inflator ? snake oil video or not, try to explain what process is behind and how to try remake a "similar" effect with saturation or waveshaper maybe. cheers
Got this Yamaha unit and it's still great! And I think one of the greatest digital reverbs for bass drum ever made is the Midiverb II, program one or two. It's absolute killer. :)
Great drum reverb tip! Shorter reverb than normal, but with a longer decay on the band with harsher mid frequencies => Gives the drumkit more impact and energy! - So awesome Wytse!!!
I used many an SPX90 in my 30 year live career. I carried four because they were so versatile. Killer gated drum preset, by the way. When descending into the clubs I always stored my presets in the 60 bank. I would return a year or so later and they'd still be there! The main failure mode is in the sealed power supply. After ten years or so the sealant would become conductive and the unit would fail. Glad to see two still in good shape. Alternatives are the REV5, SPX900*, SPX990 (lots of pre and post alternatives) and the SPX2000 (pricey). The 2000 has all the old 90 presets in a special bank with neat display color changes! 900's seem to be very nicely priced currently. All the goodness of the 90 with wide-band long delays and the swell "white room" preset......
I was watching a livestream mix on the "Hardcore Music Studio" channel, and after commenting, received a reply along the lines of, " Musikality? The same Musikality that won Console 1?" So, thanks for making me famous haha xD
I agree the SPX-90 is great for Reverbs. If you can get an SPX-90 II you'll do better. I love their Plate and Room simulations and they've also got great for Delays, Gated Reverbs, Pitch Shifting and the Freeze is terrific. Have you tried the Rev-7?
Great video. Really like that FF plate on snare. I generally prefer Vintage Verb on individual instruments and Pro-R for ambiance but this is interesting...
That reverb has its own characteristics. Nothing is perfect, but each and everyone is unique. That worked on the snare drum really well. Awesome! My dad bought a zoom guitar pedal with small speakers (like 2inch speakers maybe) and I used it and it sounds unique. It didnt sound great plugged to an amp but it works well. ✌
Those drums sound gorgeous! What I wouldn't give to have that kind of quality as a starting point. The toms sound perfect. After learning how to really use Pro-R, I haven't used any other reverbs except some UAD verbs with an Apollo for live performances. Every reverb I've ever used had some tonal quality that I didn't like. Pro-R lets me make the exact reverb I wan't and my only complaint is that they don't have a keyboard across the bottom. I love to adjust my reverb EQ to empasise frequencies that are in the key of the song. It's a subtle beautification. That Yamaha unit does sound great on the snare, though! How does it sound on other things?
Ah yes, the SPX 90... sure, there are really cool and modern plugins (which i also use) but there's just something about old vintage rack units that have that "thing". Glad i still have mine :)
I really like drums that sound big and spacious with a generous amount or reverb. Maybe it’s because my frame or reference is the 80’s gated reverb as that was so fashionable when I was a toddler hearing pop records in the late 80’s. I feel that some 90’s drums sound a lot more flat in some cases (depends a bit on the genre). I wish I could record my own drum kit, as it sounds really harsh in my attic room where it’s crammed into a tight corner. What I’ve always wondered about is how to keep the sounds separated with the different mics. Drumkits must be the most difficult accoustic instrument to record with all those rattles and sqeaking noises from the paddles.
The reverb pool is a big one... so many options... I really love the Fab stuff but that Yam analog sounded sweet I must say !! I just recently heard the "Tc Electronic Digital Vintage Reverb" and was really blown away and the analog inter phase was brilliant, I believe its a hybrid piece...look into it I might suggest...another great vid BTW
great demo, would love to see your take also on reverbs which were mostly used in 80s for drums Yamaha rev5 or rev7 contains even more dsp power than spx, and Roland srv2000 they are all cheap to get
I still use my Lexicon LXP 1 from time to time. I don't know, even if I have Lexicon plugins, it sounds different if I print the LXP. It could be just me, of course :).
Also, I feel like the verbs all needed some more highpassing an maybe a little dip in the low mids or mids. Plus a little saturation on the high mids. imho and ymmv. Cool tones nonetheless!
Few months ago i bought an SPX 90, literally when i tried it out on drums omg i heared that i added actual space to the sound, if i use any reverb plugin when i listen “Hmm yeah i hear thats reverb on it” but with that unit i dont have that feel its just make it sit in the mix perfectly.
I saw a listing for a used SPX900 (yes, 900 not a typo) the other day. I like those effects, I already have some on my mixer. I guess I'll get me one ;)
Hehe used the SPX 90 several years for live use but it's a noisemachine and needs to be controlled:) Don't believe me? try soloing the reverb return and push it abit;)
unrelated to video, but studio one 4.5 is out and it looks like it's really solid (more than before?) and has had features from logic and reaper added - are you thinking of checking it out?
Alesis Microverb is another underrated vintage gadget. Technically it may be poor, but it has a number of very smart and crazy presets (you can adjust very little). A plugin with the full algorithm would be exciting. In a technically clean but cold mix, it might bring in a lot of "dirt", and in quite complex sounding ways.
I know this is 2 years old, but I can't recommend the free Longsound Microverb VST enough. I haven't had the pleasure of trying the real unit but, ever since I got the plugin, I've used it extensively for my tom and snare verbs (Large 5 and Gate 2 are my faves). It has a certain dark, metallic sounding character that I've come to love. Sadly, it's only 32 bit.
The fact they have ADC/DAC circuits. But in all honesty there are fantastic VST reverbs out there and with a bit of knowhow you could easily create a very very close approximation of the Yamaha verb he is going on about.
@@shogunai Yeah, I know, but still wondering... To me, the biggest pain is that plastic muddiness, when you send to the reverb something percussive or with the sharp attacks . You'll get a lot of noise\plastic\sand. You can use some EQ with hi shelf until that mud will dissappear, but by that moment the sound becomes too muffled. The best way to me to get a clean and natural\musical reverb is to remove attacks, but I don't know how to do this quick. The best results you get if you send a copy of your signal with some volume automation(smothing transients), but it is too time consuming. I tried to put Transient Designer before the reverb but it did not help too much. So it is interesting to me how are the things with the hardware reverbs meaning this aspect.
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Hope to see you in more of Wytse's videos :) you guys should collaborate
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This is my favorite drum beat. I love Darude's drummer!
I think the important lesson here is that, in a world full of digital reverb options, it’s nice to have a piece of hardware that actually limits the optional parameters.
I worked thoughout the late 70s, 80s and 90s and its good to see that the spx is still doing its thing...for young engrs like yourself. Class never dies. But if you want to really check out reverb. Rev 7 is all you need.
I've been using a SPX900 for my guitar rig since the '90s. It is a multi-FX like unlimited SPX90s that can be stacked, saved, and recalled. I've always loved the sound of Yamaha equipment, from the DX7 to the PM2000 to their grand pianos.
I add gated reverb just enough to fatten and widen the snare, without adding enough to make the snare duration sound longer. Then, I add ambience reverb to the gated reverb returns.
Interesting approach. Gonna try it
You can't get a more natural reverb than...............a natural reverb - I love you man :-)
Classic SPX90. Of course is symphonic patch is perfect for bass.
And you're exactly right - it is a balance between new, old, tried and trusted. Sometimes I'm lucky with clients that a c-part opens the doors to "have fun" - but it always have to serve the music.
After watching this I dug out my old SPX 90 and created an external effect. It really has a place
amongst all my other reverbs. Thanks for that!
This is more....ahh personal, and audiophile-type teaching content. Keep doing stuff like this when you can. Great work!
hey ! i have a suggestion could you make a video about Sonnox inflator ? snake oil video or not, try to explain what process is behind and how to try remake a "similar" effect with saturation or waveshaper maybe. cheers
Got this Yamaha unit and it's still great! And I think one of the greatest digital reverbs for bass drum ever made is the Midiverb II, program one or two. It's absolute killer. :)
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I didn't even know you could saturate reverb... I never thought of making sounds like that. Thanks again!
The stock Symphonic patch on bass guitar from the SPX90 is life!!!
There's tons of records lately that bring back the 80s, including the gated snare sound! Listen to the intro from She's American by The 1975.
kinda thought about the same thing hahaha
You could generate a convolution impulse for the reverb you like from the SPX90 and use ReaVerb on any track.
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That’s like Abbey Road style layout, nice studio 👌
Great drum reverb tip! Shorter reverb than normal, but with a longer decay on the band with harsher mid frequencies => Gives the drumkit more impact and energy! - So awesome Wytse!!!
I used many an SPX90 in my 30 year live career. I carried four because they were so versatile. Killer gated drum preset, by the way. When descending into the clubs I always stored my presets in the 60 bank. I would return a year or so later and they'd still be there! The main failure mode is in the sealed power supply. After ten years or so the sealant would become conductive and the unit would fail. Glad to see two still in good shape. Alternatives are the REV5, SPX900*, SPX990 (lots of pre and post alternatives) and the SPX2000 (pricey). The 2000 has all the old 90 presets in a special bank with neat display color changes!
900's seem to be very nicely priced currently. All the goodness of the 90 with wide-band long delays and the swell "white room" preset......
Ohh dude, thank you very much for spotting Pro-R... I forgot about it. )))
You are wearing just one sock. Dude you are a real badass outlaw !!
I was watching a livestream mix on the "Hardcore Music Studio" channel, and after commenting, received a reply along the lines of, " Musikality? The same Musikality that won Console 1?" So, thanks for making me famous haha xD
It's always cool to hear the software vs hardware differences. Thanks for the vid :)
I liked this video a lot in terms of how you show different tastes
The saturn trick is kinda cool
I agree the SPX-90 is great for Reverbs. If you can get an SPX-90 II you'll do better.
I love their Plate and Room simulations and they've also got great for Delays, Gated Reverbs, Pitch Shifting and the Freeze is terrific. Have you tried the Rev-7?
This is a Snare Oil :P
Kick oil next?
I just put up a curtain like yours in my studio. What a difference in the acoustics!
Great video. Really like that FF plate on snare. I generally prefer Vintage Verb on individual instruments and Pro-R for ambiance but this is interesting...
This OS the first I have seen and heard a 300 only on drums. 👍
Haha...when I had my brick and mortar studio, my favorite reverbs were the SPX 90 and the Lexicon PCM 90!!! You have great taste!!! 🙏
I guess I'm crazy too because I have 2 Yamaha spx90 too.....I love it
That reverb has its own characteristics. Nothing is perfect, but each and everyone is unique. That worked on the snare drum really well. Awesome! My dad bought a zoom guitar pedal with small speakers (like 2inch speakers maybe) and I used it and it sounds unique. It didnt sound great plugged to an amp but it works well. ✌
One of your best reviews, or just uploads.
Thank's dude!
Haha, bought an SPX90 on chance the other week. Haven't tried it yet, but now I've got to go do it right away! :)
i think i’m going to give a go to that pro-r + saturn combination today, thanks for the inspiration!
Going to try this! Great sounds
Will try this on my SPX90 very soon
Program 15 "Symphonic" on bass or backing vocals sounds amazing!
Those drums sound gorgeous! What I wouldn't give to have that kind of quality as a starting point. The toms sound perfect. After learning how to really use Pro-R, I haven't used any other reverbs except some UAD verbs with an Apollo for live performances. Every reverb I've ever used had some tonal quality that I didn't like. Pro-R lets me make the exact reverb I wan't and my only complaint is that they don't have a keyboard across the bottom. I love to adjust my reverb EQ to empasise frequencies that are in the key of the song. It's a subtle beautification. That Yamaha unit does sound great on the snare, though! How does it sound on other things?
Mooie video Wytse, ik zelf veel aan het experimenteren met mijn nieuwe Fab Pro R. Ik kan veel van je leren, bedankt daar voor! 😎👍👊
I love your EXPERIMENTAL POP! Thx dude=zero!
You were starting to get into *Two Lone Swordsmen* territory towards the end, - nice!
I would totally use that crazy reverb.
Afaik the spx 990 is kinda similar to the spx90 but with more options.
I have a spx990 and i really like it for snare reverbs :)
Hi i just purchased two of 90 and yea, the room snare damn rocks :)
Reflective is the word for the room
Ah yes, the SPX 90... sure, there are really cool and modern plugins (which i also use) but there's just something about old vintage rack units that have that "thing". Glad i still have mine :)
Spx 90 great for guitar effects too, another old reverb that was great was the Roland DEP 5👍
Yes, the DEP-5 is great! The quirky low-density nonlinear setting is always fun on percussion, especially drum machines.
Schnääär Drum. :o) Thanks for the video!
I really like drums that sound big and spacious with a generous amount or reverb. Maybe it’s because my frame or reference is the 80’s gated reverb as that was so fashionable when I was a toddler hearing pop records in the late 80’s. I feel that some 90’s drums sound a lot more flat in some cases (depends a bit on the genre). I wish I could record my own drum kit, as it sounds really harsh in my attic room where it’s crammed into a tight corner. What I’ve always wondered about is how to keep the sounds separated with the different mics. Drumkits must be the most difficult accoustic instrument to record with all those rattles and sqeaking noises from the paddles.
Yay! I happen to have a SPX90 :D
nice trick with the mids, thanks👍
The reverb pool is a big one... so many options... I really love the Fab stuff but that Yam analog sounded sweet I must say !! I just recently heard the "Tc Electronic Digital Vintage Reverb" and was really blown away and the analog inter phase was brilliant, I believe its a hybrid piece...look into it I might suggest...another great vid BTW
At the end it became interesting... more tips on experimental total loss outer space reverbs etcetera!
let me guess: Is the music called Snarestorm?
i think you should do more crasy. Sounds nice. You made me buy a spx 90 btw
"I only care about making the world sound better"
great demo, would love to see your take also on reverbs which were mostly used in 80s for drums Yamaha rev5 or rev7 contains even more dsp power than spx, and Roland srv2000 they are all cheap to get
thanks. balancing between those two is not easy thing though. thanks ! I subscribed.
The gated reverb helps to clarify those snare ghost notes.
Some plugin suitable for snare is FreeverbToo. With gate featured.
You gain depth and loose groove/movement with extra reverb on the snare.
This is the reason I still use my spx900 after my 90 died👍👍👍
So are you leaving the rest of the kit dry in your mix?
I still use my Lexicon LXP 1 from time to time. I don't know, even if I have Lexicon plugins, it sounds different if I print the LXP. It could be just me, of course :).
do I get a certificate for audio engineering after watching all your videos? Huge fan btw. keep it going! Love your content!
Nice! I have an SPX90 and haven’t tried it on snare yet.
Thank you for the tips!
GREAT!!! THANK YOU
I love the old Yamaha fx processors !! I’ve got a Yamaha table top model from 1983.
U are crazy i love it hâhha
That room actually looks like the famous room in Abbey Road.
It's got the same dimensions :-)
And thanks for saving me € by not getting a SPX-90. That's just too much rack-space taken up by 1 number 2 preset ;)
I love the Yamaha SPX90 Program 2 on drums!! I always use it on them!
Also, I feel like the verbs all needed some more highpassing an maybe a little dip in the low mids or mids. Plus a little saturation on the high mids. imho and ymmv. Cool tones nonetheless!
Few months ago i bought an SPX 90, literally when i tried it out on drums omg i heared that i added actual space to the sound, if i use any reverb plugin when i listen “Hmm yeah i hear thats reverb on it” but with that unit i dont have that feel its just make it sit in the mix perfectly.
Iv used spx 90s since they first came out and I still do there a bargain now
I really like the sound of thr FF-R personally
Great video thank you :D
How about Val Halla Room or Val Halla VintageVerb??? It is [also] very interesting!!! 😉
Godver, gave sound die toms!!!
I saw a listing for a used SPX900 (yes, 900 not a typo) the other day. I like those effects, I already have some on my mixer. I guess I'll get me one ;)
Cubase comes stock with some Yamaha reverb plugin, though not after an SPX. (REV) It´s posh.
Any problems hardware wise with your unit yet ?!? Also do you always go stereo out with it or do you ever just use the mono out ?
spx90 is allready famous for chorus sound on Nirvana and RATM records.
The SPX 90 Reverse Reverb was famously used by My Bloody Valentine, and was a milestone in Alt Rock..
Isn‘t Andy Wallace using a SPX 90 chorus preset on bass guitar?
Nope, the symphonic preset (a chorusy like patch, but different)
Amazing video
Hehe used the SPX 90 several years for live use but it's a noisemachine and needs to be controlled:) Don't believe me? try soloing the reverb return and push it abit;)
sounds like yamaha rev7 you can also try roland srv2000 but my favorite on snare is klark dn780 . i consider buying a spx90 now :)
unrelated to video, but studio one 4.5 is out and it looks like it's really solid (more than before?) and has had features from logic and reaper added - are you thinking of checking it out?
Alesis Microverb is another underrated vintage gadget. Technically it may be poor, but it has a number of very smart and crazy presets (you can adjust very little).
A plugin with the full algorithm would be exciting.
In a technically clean but cold mix, it might bring in a lot of "dirt", and in quite complex sounding ways.
I know this is 2 years old, but I can't recommend the free Longsound Microverb VST enough. I haven't had the pleasure of trying the real unit but, ever since I got the plugin, I've used it extensively for my tom and snare verbs (Large 5 and Gate 2 are my faves). It has a certain dark, metallic sounding character that I've come to love. Sadly, it's only 32 bit.
Also the SPX900
I THINK the FX500 has the same reverb inside somewhere as well as the FX900 (I have both).
Have you heard a reverb or some type of effect that makes you sound like you are in an oil drum? Very metallic and AM radio type of sound?
Short delay you mean? Like few milliseconds short
@@kaitsu9608 I got close to the effect I was after with cross-modulation with an oscillator.
i'm thinking about one of these..^^
The important question which version is better for u spx9 or spx9II
So what are the main characteristics that make harware reverbs so good comparing to VST?
The fact they have ADC/DAC circuits. But in all honesty there are fantastic VST reverbs out there and with a bit of knowhow you could easily create a very very close approximation of the Yamaha verb he is going on about.
@@shogunai Yeah, I know, but still wondering... To me, the biggest pain is that plastic muddiness, when you send to the reverb something percussive or with the sharp attacks . You'll get a lot of noise\plastic\sand. You can use some EQ with hi shelf until that mud will dissappear, but by that moment the sound becomes too muffled. The best way to me to get a clean and natural\musical reverb is to remove attacks, but I don't know how to do this quick. The best results you get if you send a copy of your signal with some volume automation(smothing transients), but it is too time consuming. I tried to put Transient Designer before the reverb but it did not help too much. So it is interesting to me how are the things with the hardware reverbs meaning this aspect.