He has some good things to say. His belief that felons should be able to vote and the consequences of that are astonishing and I disagree wholeheartedly. 1:19:20 Recidivism is real, and documented. Moral failures, and sociopaths should not have a say in our future. From our founding male land owners were the only permitted voters. Representation is a valid argument, but the consequences and moral and financial decay of our Country can be directly traced to the 19th amendment, and dilution of restrictions on voting.
@OBAMAGATE OBAMAGATE : I wondered why we had the the same inequalities that existed since the nation began when he was elected? I wonder why the present president doesn't care about most Americans. Welcome to the club.
I usually watch videos at 1.5x but I had to slow this particular one back to normal to completely grasp the nuance of his arguments. I really like that Professor Loury isn't consumed by thoughtless compassion but by a true burning passion for the betterment of his people.
Just so we can be clear... here is the truth... Individuals of any race, creed, political party affiliation or color can act racist but in America politically the only tolerated systemic racism is by the Democratic party.... A) against asians and whites as 1) quotas 2) affirmative action and 3) identity politics and B) against blacks and hispanics as 1) welfare dependency, 2) limited public school choices (vouchers, charter schools and school choice) and improper public school management by teacher unions, 3) Democrat party founded police unions deals with their Democrat mayors and Democrat city officials to cover up or under and overcharge officers (murder 1 charge instead of manslaughter to get officers off) by the Democrat district attorney to avoid their convictions, 4) selectively targeting minorities for abortions and 5) controlling the system to fostering single mother child rearing.... all with the narrative that the Democratic party cares about people of color, children and women.
Much ado about nothing. Blah blah blah... What have YOU done with this information? 5 years on and everything is much worse. Because.. God is not in the picture.
Glenn Loury is an intellectual titan. Incredibly moving treatment. At once nuanced, ambivalent, humanizing. This talk reflects a deep and genuine sense of ambivalence - even pain - resulting from a lifetime of struggling against these issues, both personally and intellectually.
Just his first 3 minutes ( the long, funny, well written introductory metaphorical conversation with himself )goes so far over the heads of the mainstream mind, it wouldn't play.
I wish this was the conversation going on in the country at large. I just discovered this man, and appreciate him so much. I've learned more in the past few weeks listening to this man and a few others then my entire life. We don't learn the truth in public school either, so much of black history hasn't been taught in a full way. I pray for this country ❤️ I have faith we can fix this
I arrived in East Africa, from Italy, at the age of ten, and I had to wait eight months before being accepted at an English school, due to my ignorance in the language. I therefore had only locals of Bantu origin and Indians as possible friends when playing, thus started learning Swahili and English. To me, they not being European, never entered my mind that I was different from them. Thus I would propose that in the States, all parents should encourage, from when children are very young to have this experience. I therefore would like the Professor to read how this made me accept people as human beings. PERSONAL ENCOUNTERS WITH APARTHEID Introduction : - I lived in East Africa from March 1949 to February 1964 in the town of ARUSHA, Attended Arusha Primary School till December 1951, before being accepted at the then “Prince of Wales” boarding school, Nairobi. Frequented this high school until end of 1957, having attained “Higher School Certificate” required for entrance to University. To celebrate the completion of school in Kabete, Nairobi, Livio Tessaro, Adonis Stylianou and I decided to cycle back home. In case wild dogs attacked us, we were to form a triangle with the bicycles and us inside this and with machetes ready. We left at 3.00 am for Arusha, in then Tanganyka (now Tanzania). We stopped for a substantial lunch at Namanga before entering Tanganyika, From there on we were on tarred road. My father partly spoilt our trip by picking us up some 30 miles from Arusha, having already completed 140 miles, with the easiest part remaining. (For the Nairobi - Arusha trip, as students we travelled to and from home on transport with different ethnic groups, including Maasai warriors). _________________________________ In the last year at boarding school, as part of our “Literature” lessons, we had to read the books “CRY THE BELOVED COUNTRY” written by Alan Paton and also “Jock of the Bushveld” written by Sir James Percy FitzPatrick, both books based in South Africa. Paton’s book was banned in RSA, since it highlighted the Apartheid system. This book left quite a mark in my mind. In Tanganyika, being a “Protectorate” and not a British Colony, most of us mixed with different ethnic groups (though sometimes frowned upon by the British), and I personally had local and asiatic friends. I learned, like many other Europeans, the native language, called Kiswahili, since few of the indigenous people could speak English. Due to the changes in Tanganyika after independence in early 60s, my wife Teresa and I decided that it would be advisable to complete my studies at a university, as had done my friend Carl von Isenburg, who frequented the same schooling as me in East Africa before going to “Princeton” in the States. Our intention was to return to Tanganyika if the situation did not deteriorate further. We decided that the best choice would be Durban, South African, that we had visited on our honeymoon. Therefore we left Arusha by car in February 1964 for a journey of some 3000 miles. It took five and a half days to reach our destination, and found a hotel close to the University. Sometime I had to use the bus to get to the University. The first time, I waited at the bus stop with a group of local people, who got on before me, and when it was my turn to board, the driver simply said “Nie Blankes”. I did not undersand, and a lady behind me explained that the green bus is reserved for “coloured persons”, and that the driver was saying “No Whites”. I asked how I could get to the University, and she informed that I had to wait for the red bus with the White driver. I then remembered Paton’s book. One day, at the bus stop, a Chinese student was also waiting. We got talking, and he told me that he lived far from the University. So I asked him what time he usually left home; he replied that he boarded the first bus at 3:00 in the morning, before catching two other buses to arrive at the stop we were. I spoke of this with my wife and we decided to ask him if he wished to share our apartment during the week. He was so surprised that he hesitated to reply, but he accepted on condition that he contributed for food and lodgings. He often brought his Chinese friends around. And we learned so many things from them including Jazz (e.g. Ramsey Lewis Trio) that we were not familiar with. We became real friends, but after Eddie Chan Henry and his wife Daphne, left in order for him to teach at the University of Vancouver in Canada, we lost contact. To note that, Chinese were not cosidered “whites” but “honorary whites” with their own areas to live in, hence, unbeknown to us at the time, we were breaking the laws of the country. During Apartheid, most amenities were marked for “WHITES ONLY” or “NON WHITES”, a clear discrimination based on the colour of the skin. After graduation, I decided to seek short term employment in companies for which I had been obliged by the University to work during the University holidays. If any company did not find our performance or behaviour satisfactory, the University, on receiving this information, could have terminated our studies. The first company I joined, after some months wished to promote me to their Head Office in Johannesburg. I remained there a short while, and decided to resign and return to Durban, to my wife and young son. I then joined another construction company near where we lived. They transferred me to Ixopo to manage a new road contract for them. On this contract I encountered some new aspects of apartheid. The Materials Technician came to present the results of various tests requested by the Roads Department of Natal. The tea-boy arrived with the usual cup for me, and I asked the technian what he would like to drink, tea or coffee. He hesitated, so I ordered tea for him. Whilst analysing the results for compliance, in walked a foreman without knocking, and immediately stopped, turned around and exited by slamming the door. On asking my secretary where the foreman was, I was told he had left the site saying that “he will not work for a person that drinks tea with a “kaffir” (local term for a person of Bantu origin)”. Philip Ndaba, the technician, in my opinion was better educated than the foreman, and certainly had better manners. Philip belonged to the Xhosa tribe, the same as Nelson Mandela. The accountant for the project was Runga Naidoo of Indian origin, and lived nearby with his wife. All our senior personnel, on week-ends could come to visit our home not far from the project, irrespective of their origins. Many years later, I started my own business near Durban, and bought a house in an isolated area called New Germany. One late evening I heard a soft knocking on one of the windows, and on investigation, I found Philip Ndaba and his brother John standing outside in the dark. Surprised as I was, I felt their fear, and asked what was the matter. Philip explained that the South African security police was searching for them, and asked if I could help them. He told me the facts before replying. I hid them in the empty servants’ building on our the property, with instruction not to make noises and not to open to anyone unless they heard my voice. I would bring food in the dark and knock three times in succession, repeated again after a short interval. NO one knew of their presence on the property. Three evenings later, I let them out, gave them provisions. They thanked me, and said they would somehow let me have their news. Weeks later, one of our workers informed me that they were safely in their “homeland” Transkei. It is strange that the very people that critized the Apartheid policies when applied to them, now do the same to other ethnic groups. The Bantus were migrants from the Nigeria / Cameroun region who first moved south along the Atlantic route, with a later one going east before swinging through East Africa and down as far as Transkei. Mandela will now be turning in his grave for this situation. Nelson Mandela and the Indaba* of his tribe are for me examples that many European “Politicians” should emulate in their daily behaviour. * Tribal council ….. one should read the book on his history “LONG WALK TO FREEDOM”.
I am a spectator, from my house, who has watched hundreds of speeches and lectures on line and until today never applauded a speaker at the end of their talk. This man is courageous and brilliant. Thank you, Glenn.
This mans honesty and bravery is a breath of fresh air 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾He pulls no bunches ... We need a lot more people in our community willing to stand up for what is right. What is truth 🙏🏿
Powerful stuff. The way in which Professor Loury communicates his memories are very telling of "where his heart is". Thank you for being a voice of reason.
Thank you professor Loury for your words of truth and wisdom, I pray for more and courageous intellectual man like yourself to speak out, You spoke from the heart and with so much passion it made me cry, Your life story didn't get you down,, In fact it made you climbed high with the help of G-d , let's hope for a better future for black Americans and for all Americans, G-d bless you and keep you safe!
I think I'm more upset that the school didn't provide the man a fan and some water. He's a guest for crying out loud. I'm from Chicago too. So I appreciated his tone throughout this lecture. What got me was when he mentioned the enemy without vs the enemy within. I don't know what brought Mrs. King to tears. He was telling the truth. We spend more time putting the shackles on ourselves as a people, than our so-called oppressors even get the chance to. I've come to ask myself when will my people actually become Americans? Yes, we're all American citizens, but patriots is another category.
During these tumultuous times I hope many more will appreciate listening to Mr. Loury's personal disposition within the vast black identity. His unique experience helps define black individuality amongst the heavy currents of today's tribalism in identity politics. Thank you Watson Institute!
There are so few comments, I feel compelled to say something. This is only second the time I have heard professor Loury speak but it certainly will not be the last. Great talk! I lament the fact that Franchesca Ramsey get 100s of times more viewers.
aped Interesting hypotheses, here’s a corollary: People, in particular whites, like telling other people, in particular blacks, everything that happens to them is their fault.
I hope people start realizing how valuable this man is. I hope those in his direct circle are letting him know that it is very important that he start taking care of himself health wise. We need this man to stay alive and healthy for many years to come. Please take care of yourself, Glenn. For humanities sake. I know it is an unfair statement in many ways but unfortunately this is what life has come to. This man should be the gold standard by which leadership is measured.
So timely and much needed for all to digest. This is the conversation we should be having, but are not. Thank you, Mr. Loury, for saying the hard things so eloquently.
80 comments! I’m stunned! What does it say about the intellectual diet of our present society when such appealing depth, insight, brilliance, and edification as offered here can rouse only eighty comments? Talk about being awaken from a deep and heavy slumber! I’ve heard of this man before, but never took the time to check him out. I’m guilty as charged! And perhaps my disclosure is just one among thousands of other reasons out there in cyber space answering my question. But from this point on I will not be among the party of culprits. This man has won me over. Agree or disagree with him, the intellectual fare he offers can be chewed on for nourishment, light, and growth. I’m sold!
Mr. Loury, This incredible lecture should have been witnessed by millions more and commented on by at least several hundred thousands. But that is how it is in our world. I wish to say here, that your generation, and the two that preceded it, have been an enormous influence in my life (reading Baldwin as a startled 11 year old, and a lover of black musical history and its consequences since before I knew how to read and write.) I am a longtime fan of the two black guys podcast, and have found great comfort and illumination in that over the years. Long have I been pondering the absence of outrage throughout the land over what you so eloquently allude to here. Systemic violence, illiteracy, and the hundreds of thousands of wasted young lives, every one of which has been born into a society that proclaims itself free. I have no argument. I struggle at times to see this picture clearly, as if I've been constructing a giant jigsaw puzzle over time, and must step back continually to guess at what the completed picture might be, wondering if it ever will be complete. Political discourse, academic analysis, jurisprudence and social sciences all have a crack at this, and perhaps too often leave out the most important ingredient, that passion that rings so obviously clear and true in your voice. I fear that too often we don't really hear each other. That last reply at the very end.....makes me think very much about tethers, in all their variance and complexities. And about the idea that what can appear to be freedom from those tethers comes in the guise of further tethering. Not necessarily by devious means, but by misguided belief, and failures to understand some of those complexities. It is all such a moral and often emotional battle, after all. We can hope that more humans learn to pay attention to both of those things, while they also learn the art of tackling complexities. There are, after all, things that others can free us from. There are also things that only we ourselves can free ourselves from. When knowledge after time, leads to wisdom to know the difference, we thrive. I'm very much looking forward to reading your memoirs.
You don't see eloquence like yours too often on social media. With words like yours, I thought you might enjoy works like mine: ========================== I don’t do slogans, so to me, “Black Lives Matter” is just as empty as its comeback cousin. Blunt instruments for change are just too ham-handed for my taste. Rather than endlessly debate catch phrases, monuments, and movements-I’m far more interested in considering the underlying merit in a point of view. While everyone else spins their wheels on who’s right, I define what I see by factoring for what’s true (isolating and correlating along the way). When it comes to ascertaining the truth, I don’t care what your cause is, who’s in the White House, who controls Congress or the courts. I learned early on in life that what you want gets in the way of what you see.
Does the Democratic Party have a history of manipulating racially-charged incidents? Undeniably! Has the left-leaning side of the cable clans increasingly accommodated Democrats over the years? Without question! Can you conclude what happened to Trayvon and Michael Brown with the same certainty as the death of George Floyd? No way-but ya did, and in lickety-split fashion.
Zimmerman’s brother perfectly put it: “He had the greater hand in his own demise.” To an apologist, he had no hand at all-a mindset that violates the rules of reality. If you’re pulled over by the police and you cop an attitude, you’re askin’ for trouble. And right on cue, “He was a wannabe cop and was told not to follow him!” So, you want to skip right over what transpired and go right to “gunned down”-because he was armed and didn’t follow instructions? Wishful thinking is not an argument-not to mention the fact that preforming calcified conclusions is prejudice by definition.
The Left seeks to eradicate racism while refusing to recognize how they fuel it. The second they painted Trayvon as a child, they contaminated their judgment. The cops made an honest mistake in calling his watermelon drink “iced tea” (simply because of the brand). That the media advocates reported it the same way at first is understandable. That they never corrected it is unforgivable. To conform to fact, we must agree that it was watermelon and consider what it means: Maybe nothing, maybe everything. But you pollute the debate when you won’t even acknowledge the irrefutable. Worse than that-you poison your purpose.
You’d think that a party that prides itself on intellectualism would examine the efficacy of their efforts. Perhaps even try some predictive analysis:
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Hmm, we’ve got the first black president in the White House and we’re marching to Black Lives Matter. That might be overplaying our hand and have unintended consequences. Same goes for the removal of monuments-do we really want to infuriate the opposition for fleeting gain? Maybe the awe-inspiring artistry of historical figures will spark a sense of wonder in the youth. Perhaps they’ll read the plaque and probe for more. Whatever their findings, isn’t there great value in that process of discovery? Wouldn’t it be better if we just let people make up their own minds about whether problematic pieces embody hate or heritage? And even if the monuments could magically vanish from the face of the Earth, would that really solve anything? On top of all that, it seems that the more sensitive we try to be, the more hypersensitive our culture has become. That wasn’t our aim.
We elected a sophisticated guy-shouldn’t we seek change in a bold and sophisticated manner? After all, wasn’t that the point of his presidency? Wouldn’t we be more successful in solving problems if we took an honest look at the different dimensions within them? Instead of putting Kaepernick on a pedestal for telling us what we wanna hear, maybe we should be inspired by Kobe who told us what we don’t:
"I won't react to something just because I'm supposed to, because I'm an African-American. That argument doesn't make any sense to me. So we want to advance as a society and a culture, but, say, if something happens to an African-American, we immediately come to his defense? Yet you want to talk about how far we've progressed as a society? Well, then don't jump to somebody's defense just because they're African-American."
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For immovable conservatives who find comfort in that quote-take a good look in the mirror, because defending the indefensible is your M.O. What we’re seeing today was partly built on a foundation of manufactured outrage (which applies to most controversial issues in America over the last 30 years). Decades of dishonesty in the Gutter Games of Government is not a nation on a path to greatness. I wrote this piece before I came across the accompanying video. I was blown away by these words: “Anti-racism, as currently configured-has gone a long way from what used to be considered intelligent and sincere civil rights activism. Today it's a religion.”
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“I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.”
@@glennloury3677 Your acknowledgement just brightened up this dull and cloudy winter day up here in the northland, Glenn. The air is positively sparkling. But on a more serious note, I can only hope in this still relatively young new year, winds up change blow us toward not only a warmer spring, but a deeper sense of understanding, not least - that humanity and honest values overcome a tragedy of ignorance that stalks the land. Jp
You have been hoodwinked Mr laughalot. The blind leading the blind. It's 5 years on and things are so much better now! His thinking has offered us no real solutions to the ills of mankind. Without the God of the Bible we are doomed to fail. But take heart...He is coming soon and a few will make it into His kingdom.. that utopia that all secularist thinkers like Loury can only talk about and never bring about...for all their "wisdom".
@@glennloury3677 You're most welcome, Sir. I am at this very moment conspiring on how to get my hands on an autographed copy of your memiors. I fear I will not rest until this has been accomplished. Easy for me to say. I don't have to write the thing, you do. All I have to do is read it. Easy enough. You have been a giant influence and inspiration on me over the past decade. Many thanks for that which has been so rare. (Oh heck. Two replies to the same rejoinder. My absent mind.)
I looked up the book he recommended: Ethnicity without groups, and found it very thought provoking, to say the least. Great lecture. In a reasonable society, the availability of such knowledge to the masses would be a death knell to the universities.
This should be a clarion call, instead he is vilified by those who seek equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity. I don't think the content of the speech could be more relevant than it is right now in 2020. 55 years after the end of Jim Crow, I wonder what MLK would think of the fruit of his labors, and ultimately of his martyrdom. I am neither black nor an intellectual , but I did grow up in the 80's during the bussing and reintegration of black schools in upstate NY in the 1980's. My school was 97% percent black , in a "bad" neighborhood. I undoubtedly have a very different view of things when compared with another lower middle class northereastern white male. I was a silent witness to the urban blight he describes. Later, in the 90's many of my primary schoolmates were killed in gang violence, by other former schoolmates. My heart broke seeing the hopelessness and desolation. It has only grown worse. I retain little hope that the current anger directed at the law enforcement community will be successful in effecting any level of tangible change in the black community, because it will address none of the root problems.
Judging on Content of Character is what MLKJrs dream narrative that has been completely lost. MLKJr did not support crime and derogatory values of any peoples. His protests were with in the right of Americans and were carried out peacefully with a point and a clear demand. He would be so upset of what is going on today and would speak out in line with the likes of Dr. Lowry and others with out a question... what is going on today is an attack on our God given rights, some of which are embodied in the DoI and constitution of our country. Our mouths are fettered by the movement and radical support of it today. Our very freedom is at risk under the lie of supporting freedom... continue to speak the truth effectively...
How on earth is policing not a problem? On one hand he clearly admits what's being done is ENHANCING crime AND is completely ineffectual in combating actual problems (gang proliferation) How exactly are those people supposed to stand up to multi billion if not trillion drug industry (which HAS been linked to CIA in actual documents now)
@@ZealothPL Read what I wrote. Nowhere do I say policing isn't a problem. If you read it again, you'll see that what I said is that anger directed at police won't do anything. It doesn't change a 70% out of wedlock birth rate. It won't change generational dependence on a welfare state that has failed them on every level. It won't change a severely broken 2 party political system where their supposed allied pander to them and handicap them and the other ignores and marginalizes them. Blind omnidirectional rage shouted from the rooftops of Twitter changes nothing. Now we have pro athletes with a voice like DeShaun Jackson regurgitating toxic anti Semitic rhetoric from BLM and Farrakhan that it's obvious they don't understand the ramifications of.
@@ZealothPL Like everything else, it starts in the home. We are not hatched. The great economist Walter Williams famously posed the question, "Who owns your life?"
Speaking as a person who grew up in a slum. What you call today the hood. I watched as we gained positions as judges, engineers, inventors, supreme court judge, astronauts, astronomers, professors, political advisers, lobbyists, wed developers, CIA, FBI, DIA, agents, ballet dancers, opera singers, olympians, teachers, singers, doctors, nurses, lawyers, reporters, journalists, authors, poets. I watched from afar because the people mainly, not all, but mainly didn't come from my background. Instead we had single mothers who had no time for their children. We were all mistakes and we knew it. Our mothers continued dating looking for that one man that would stay. Bringing them into our homes. We were all molested. I don't now one male or female I grew up with that didn't have some man try something or do something to us. Plus the beatings. Lots of beatings. Robberies, gangs trying to get us to join to sell for them cause we were young. Everyone I kew had no hope. Our parents were too hopeless to give us any. Bullies in schools made it impossible to go or you learned to fight. No one talked about the amazing things people of color were doing. They were jealous about it. I still have some of my old friends and we hated our lives growing up. We hated our mothers for looking for love. We still hate the men. They had no mercy for us. BLM is a farce. Drugs, alcohol, selfish people, who are so self absorbed and immature they refuse birth control and teach their children to fight the system and hate the police. They taught us that men in nice cars were to be admired. Not men who studied. In fact every child I knew who loved to read were eventually beat down by their parents. So as a person who lived it and watch it continue with the over stimulation of violent movies and rap I say f Soros. F all those people who talk about our plight and refuse to address the cause. The real cause. Bs refusing to use birth control in a country that practically gives it to you. In a coin try where they fought a war to end slavery while 2/3 of the world still have a robust slave trade. 45 million slaves in the world right now. And we sit here divided as Fuc going nowhere in a country where we could do anything if given half a chance by our own people. We are Americans. Not anything else. Divided we fall. Divided and arguing and petty we are weak. Can't blame no one else. But now Trump is in office so it might be too late.
You may be uneducated, but you are still a smart person. Education, intelligence and wisdom are NOT the same things. Education does not give you intelligence nor wisdom.
Uneducated? I wouldn't say that... no formal education does not mean unintelligent, unwise, unperceptive, or incapable of learning. You do yourself an injustice not everyone can listen to Glen Loury and understand what he says.
You are full of humility, honesty, and wisdom through experience. Gary Gygax, the creator of dungeons and dragons, once said "You can have all the intelligence (and education) in the world, but not the wisdom to apply any of it to the physical world." (explaining in DnD why a wizard with high intelligence would use dark magic to try and make a better world, only for it to backfire or corrupt him and turn him evil). Gandalf from Lord of the Rings made a similar point (no being older than Gygax's quote) that if he took the ring from Frodo he would use it for good, but through him, only evil power and action would be produced. It all derives from the saying "The road to hell is paved by those with good intentions". I am highly educated in the field of Music, with a minor in psychology. What you describe is a statement made from great wisdom and experience that a college student today would not understand or be able to relate towards, hence why your point seems to fall on deaf ears. What is most important is that you continue to voice your experiences and make sure those whose bloated egos of self righteousness actually start listening to the victims of the current cultural issues in the community you come from.The parties they support must adopt this evidence as truth, as there is physical evidence in abundance of it. Your voice has always been important, and now, more than ever, do we need it now. :)
someone needs to make a movie about his memoire! Full of Jazz and family drama! Mix of decent and street as well as a mix of styles of the era! I would watch that!
"Is there any space in the public conversation for a nuanced and complex moral engagement with these questions, or do they merely become fodder for partisan argument?" I sincerely hope one emerges and more voices adequately expressing the nuance and complexity of these issues emerge. There are too few now, and too much misguided, regressive, simplistic and/or childish opposition to intellectually rigorous, honest and open conversation on the subject. It's a shame so few view talks like this.
I went to an "elite" school for my masters, and even there, I would say the conversations were almost always lacking enough nuance to be productive. Even there, they quickly turned partisan or at best, far too simplistic. The fact that it can't be had there, amongst individuals in their late twenties and early thirties, really makes me wonder how long it will take to see productive conversations in the normal public discourse. I don't know if it's in my lifetime.
I fear you're right. I work in the public school system in an urban setting. The theories put forward by leadership regarding the causes of the achievement gap and the solutions enacted to narrow it are appalling in their shallowness and lack of empirical (or even purely rational) support. Needless to say, these ways of framing and conceptualizing the challenges we face (i.e., disparities in performance and outcomes arise primarily from school system biases and other forms of prejudice in the broader community) seem to be shared by a majority of staff and as such are modeled for the next generation. One is taking a risk of being labeled as being against the district's "equity vision" merely to point out the complexities involved. I am given some hope by the modern media landscape with thinkers like Loury & McWhorter being widely available through youtube and podcasts, but I am consistently deeply troubled by the quality of the discourse, the solutions generated from this discourse, and the implications this has for us actually improving lives and communities.
Dr. Loury's analysis from 49:11 to 57:22 illustrates a crucially important, sophisticated, much-need assumption of multiple causes for the violence he describes. I'm grateful for his brilliance.
Anyone else never heard of this guy before Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying gave him a shoutout during the Dark Horse podcast in the days of the riots? This speech is incredible, I kept trying to figure out "which side" he was on, he's "all over the map," only to realize at his manifesto, this is what nuanced conversation sounds like and I forgot what that was.
j.du6 I find him to be very polemical in that context, to be honest. I didn’t quite realize he had this more nuanced viewpoint. I didn’t think he supported any public policy action for these problems. Happy he’s not a Reaganite economist.
Please give a way for us to get in touch with Dr. Loury. He has spoken for thousands of African Americans. Many of us agree and have plans that need help to join the army.
I have been in tears 😭. I have been supporting these thoughts very similar, and like you say “call it like you see it” with personal experience myself. My problem is I am now considered with “no humanity “ as though I don’t care about these communities. I do Care, but like your judge friend, “they/you, (because I’m white), really want to be helped”. I would love to help, but realized that the folks around me would rather steal food stamps than work and try to get out of the “ghetto”. Idk how to feel and truly help. I love your thoughts and strongly agree with what you have suggested. 🙏🏼 to you
Every time I listen to this man, I am made more intelligent from the experience. Rational, honest, and forthright, he is a titan in his assessments. Though I might not always agree with him on every subject, only a fool would dismiss his logic.
She (the widow King) Cried, Not because he was Wrong, but Because he Was Right. Though it is good Professor Loury learned it is better to Fix what's wrong, as opposed to merely pointing Out what's wrong.
Love this man. Lest we only end up "speaking to the choir," we need to share this video with others by recommendation or in the various social media available. Both the far right and progressives of ALL colors need to hear this message. It is a nuanced, dialectical understanding of the issues at hand--wooden Aristotelian thinking in simple terms of black and white simply don't cut it.
You're right, but I'm afraid this is practically a law of TH-cam views: the greater the intellectual depth and breadth of the video, the fewer people bother watching it. (Meanwhile, those good old, 5 min Hannity and Colmes shouting matches used to garner millions of views.)
I disagree. His whole problem is that he views the world through his own racial lens (despite the answer to the very last question) and he made that clear throughout his speech. I think this greatly colors the way he sees the world, even the bit about allowing felons to vote. While I know time was short, one of the justifications he used for that position was that Mich McConnel and W wouldn't have been elected if not for felons not being able to vote. To make it worse, he is wrong about that. Relatively minor felons CAN vote. I know several convicted felons that are able to vote because they were convicted of the lesser felonies. If you get convicted of a class 2 or 1 felony, you will never vote again, nor should you. But his whole attitude towards it was colored by the racial lens with which he views the world. IE.. More black people could vote if more felons were allowed to vote.
@Thomas Couldn't agree more. Why would we permanently take away the right to vote from felons? It's not like it would be a significant deterrent, or that felons would be able to band together to vote some crime-lord into office.
Ben Ellingson They all are what I find are the truly patriotic, black ministers, politicians, and literate professors are all against those that are not trying to better all race relations, just tear them down...and call them Uncle Tom's, so they do not get the press as the one's that the MSM's report on...what a shame as I find Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, Mason Weaver are true American patriots, just like Professor Glen Loury.
you clearly didn't hear his argument and it's not about voting. The argument is very simple. Once you have "paid your debt" to society for your transgression(s), by what logic or standard of morality to you then further perpetuate "criminal status"??
I watched three of his most recent videos today in March of 2021. His viewpoint has swung remarkably to the right. Honestly I've been listening to him for 2 years, and I almost can't recognize him in this video. It's heartfelt and positive, but so different in orientation.
The problem with the right wing viewpoint is that no culture on the face of the Earth has ever magically changed because you merely berated them. Cultures and crime adapt to institutional structures and the environment. If they didn't, it would be impossible to explain the crime rates in "model minority" places like Japan, Hong Kong, or Singapore over the 20th century. For reference in Japan: "The financial crisis was followed by another increase in crime, with penal code crimes peaking at approximately 2.85 million in 2002, which was the highest number ever recorded. Overall, the increase in the crime rate during the 5-year period between 1998 and 2002 was a startling *40.3 %* ."
@Bill-kk7tz Crime in Japan, Singapore and Hong Kong remain comparatively low, even in times of financial downturn. Criminal behavior and activity rates are largely tied to race and culture in the west. However sketchy any trailer park may be, it will be a safer place than Oakland or Compton.
Great family story towards the end.. I agree with everything and the loosing of morals is becoming a problem with every group in US. Hope people watch & wanna take up the hard work in front of us!!!
'The land of the Free' and other such sayings are not statements of fact but of ideals! Goals! Desirable wants and needs. America is a land of ideas and aspirations for an improving and progressing world [actual progression].
It is far easier to judge based on obvious markers such as race than to judge based on values, honor, discipline, courage and honesty. Lazy and or simple-minded people cannot handle much more or do not care to.
That should be viewed as academic... a no-brainer, but, sadly, most sadly, the aphorism-rich discussion of truth will likely be drowned out by more simplistic, socially acceptable, and completely flaccid appeasement without progress.
As a conservative that has been bombarded with liberal propoganda, if anyone could change my mind on some things, it's this guy. This is an incredibly well crafted lecture. It includes much needed nuance and leads the mind from one stance to another. I still believe more in individual responsibility, but through this lens, i can see potential truth in a societal responsibility also.
Great to see your open mind. Things are rarely black and white..theres alot of gray area. I also lean towards personal responsibility, but then I think that for the seed to grow to itz fullest potential, it needs fertile soil first..
The Middle way. The answer is usually from both sides of the argument. It’s why nuance is so important. Because that’s where you find the acknowledgment for both sides and find the compromise. Unfortunately, the American people have been primed for tribal sides. Zero nuance, 100% outrage, spend spend spend. Played and preyed on by our baseline mental programming - fear, compassion, hurt, anger. It’s tragic that our leaders and elites would rather USE the population than GUIDE the population for a greater civilization. Greed, lust, status - the elites bring us down to their level. They are not elevated since they are slaves to their own power and corruption. I do not envy the elite even though I am frightened. They are already empty inside and want everyone else to be too.
@@umiluv the biggest problem though with saying the answer is ALWAYS in the middle, is the shifting of the overton window. Like saying men cannot get pregnant (a scientific fact) is now political. That's literally insane. Just one example.
Absolutely brilliant man, but he is so smart it's hard to follow his speech without have to looking up some words. Great points all around, needs to be a more sought after voice in our society.
Took a covid era road trip through Nevada and Utah listening to pod casts to get to Freakonomics and finally Glenn Loury (I had heard of him before, but only peripherally as a kind of "black conservative sell out"). Since then, I have become less "Liberal" but even less of today's "conservative". Sort of a "what really works" moderate. Glenn now fits the bill for me. I also realized that Africa contains about 5 dominant tribes that are quite distinct except for the fact that they share generally darker hues. So, what exactly is race? Also, that these tribes were quite bloody ... as the Europeans were ... as well as the Asians were. Currently, I'm all for creating equity and opportunity in the US. There were indeed great and organized injustices, partly against my own ancestors who migrated here who had to change their names to get employment and education. I also see Chinese and Indians who do well but who can't possibly hide their "race" or accent. There is structural racism, but I think it's of a universal sort of human categorization/human cognition sort that is very difficult or impossible to overcome and is not the primary reason why blacks are not doing well. That is, if somehow, whites become super humanly "woke", "pure" and absolutely color blind, AND provided full financial reparations, that only a little would change. It is also insulting -- that the fundamental help for blacks has to come from whites. There are other causal variables that mostly involve family structure and in particular how children are raised cognitively that are much more fundamental.
This speech needs to be simplified for the masses.... And myself. I understand what he is saying but unfortunately his vocabulary expands mine at times. Doing my best to keep up!
Damn his life story was so well told. I have had interesting things happen in my life but I don't have the words to paint so vivid a picture as Glenn Loury. It's a shame that the majority of people who will bother to listen to Glenn are likely bigoted and fail to hear his arguments in their entirety or understand exactly what he is saying and that the people that most need to hear it on the left will likely stop listening very quickly once they register what Glenn is saying. I have been listening to him quite a bit on Bloggingheads with McWhorter and disagree with him often when he comes into disagreement with McWhorter but this was a very engaging and thoughtful presentation.
AFAICT, all of the people who asked questions were international students. It's great that those students are trying to understand the problems in this country. It often seems to me that immigrants appreciate what it means to be an American more than some of us who were born here. However, I wonder if any students who grew up in the US were in attendance, White, Black or otherwise. That bothers me because those who grew up in this country are probably the ones who need to hear nuanced approaches to big societal problems the most.
@@mdarrenu I agree that it's not obvious that people currently residing in America, but born in Africa should be categorized as "African-American." To anyone who thinks it is obvious, I'd point out that my father, who is white of entirely European descent, was born in Sudan to a Canadian father and American (US citizen) mother and grew up in Ethiopia. He likes to say he's an African-American and I'm never sure how much he's joking. Another potential source of confusion is that indigenous Australians are called "black," though I'm unsure of the etiquette around use of the term.
Great talk. Bottom line: that which affects the black community affects all of humanity, individually and collectively. Those who will not look within and master themselves, nor practice self-awareness/accountability/responsibility are the problem. Self-awareness/accountability/responsibility of each individual and community is the only way humanity evolves, otherwise all we get is more pain and suffering in other forms-history repeated by and for the foolish.
Rob H [Irony Alert] Yes, those newborns who will not take responsibility are the problem. Humanity will only evolve when newborns spring from the womb responsible citizens.
@@robh5695 Apparently my reductio ad absurdum does not work for you. Let me sail a different tack. Assume for the moment that "the only way humanity evolves" is on the narrow path of individual "self-awareness/accountability/responsibility", and the only problem faced is from "those who will not look within and master themselves, nor practice self-awareness/accountability/responsibility". Questions arise: Why don't these problem people "look within and master themselves"? Do they not have inward seeing eyes? What grows these eyes? Do newborns have them yet like with new puppies the lids are closed? What opens them? Do these eyes always open with hypnotic gaze to enslave the wild self? What hinders the practice of "self-awareness/accountability/responsibility"? Is this trinity some kind of bone/muscle/tendon system? What nourishment and exercise does this system need? What tools would allow this system to do work impossible without? I think, somewhere, Professor Loury said that the world is nuanced and there may not be simple solutions to its problems.
This is brilliant and densely packed information. Racism is constantly blamed for group-think differentiation and personal bias. But visual distinctions such as skin color are not as much to blame as are the cultural, language, border, economic, educational, religious, and political differences between various human groups. One of my favorite lyricists, the recently departed Neil Peart, wrote in the song "Entre Nous": "Just between us I think it's time for us to recognize The differences we sometimes feared to show Just between us I think it's time for us to realize The spaces in between Leave room For you and I to grow".
My impression is that Mrs. King had tears for she agreed with what you said and felt it on a deep emotional level. Why did you assume that she cried because she disagreed with you?? WHY DIDN'T YOU ASK HER??
This is a true intellectual!!! I have met a lot of intellectuals men and women of color in all levels of society and they have a gift of knowledge and discernment, the truth is liberating. For us people not belonging to the same group of people of color we respect people of color and in fact we envy you guys of the privilege you guys have. We simply give in to whatever the demands of you hoping we will live together in peace and love.
can we please elevate this man higher in this time of need? We need his voice of reason more then ever
He has some good things to say. His belief that felons should be able to vote and the consequences of that are astonishing and I disagree wholeheartedly. 1:19:20 Recidivism is real, and documented. Moral failures, and sociopaths should not have a say in our future. From our founding male land owners were the only permitted voters. Representation is a valid argument, but the consequences and moral and financial decay of our Country can be directly traced to the 19th amendment, and dilution of restrictions on voting.
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@OBAMAGATE OBAMAGATE : I wondered why we had the the same inequalities that existed since the nation began when he was elected? I wonder why the present president doesn't care about most Americans. Welcome to the club.
Watch him here and tell me what you think?
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Glenn Loury is a national treasure. Protect him at all costs.
He is a blathering self righteous douche that needs the accolades of men. Godless and with nothing to offer. A useless idiot.
I usually watch videos at 1.5x but I had to slow this particular one back to normal to completely grasp the nuance of his arguments.
I really like that Professor Loury isn't consumed by thoughtless compassion but by a true burning passion for the betterment of his people.
I have listened to it thrice
I had to go to o.75 😓
America -- all of America -- needs Professor Loury right now.
@@MisterWhimsy you Aussie too mate?
Just so we can be clear... here is the truth... Individuals of any race, creed, political party affiliation or color can act racist but in America politically the only tolerated systemic racism is by the Democratic party.... A) against asians and whites as 1) quotas 2) affirmative action and 3) identity politics and B) against blacks and hispanics as 1) welfare dependency, 2) limited public school choices (vouchers, charter schools and school choice) and improper public school management by teacher unions, 3) Democrat party founded police unions deals with their Democrat mayors and Democrat city officials to cover up or under and overcharge officers (murder 1 charge instead of manslaughter to get officers off) by the Democrat district attorney to avoid their convictions, 4) selectively targeting minorities for abortions and 5) controlling the system to fostering single mother child rearing.... all with the narrative that the Democratic party cares about people of color, children and women.
"Our humanity transcends our categorization." Brilliant, Dr. Loury.
It's almost as if we should be judged by the contents of our character or something ;-)
...only when it does not.
🤔Isn’t humanity a category? Our category transcends categorization. I like it.😇
Your being transcends humanity.
'You' are a figment of gods imagination. Getting you to that understanding is a monumental educational undertaking
Much ado about nothing. Blah blah blah... What have YOU done with this information? 5 years on and everything is much worse. Because.. God is not in the picture.
"refute me if you will, but silence me you will not" damn , that one cut deep
57:19
He said it literally as I was reading your comment!
Glenn Loury is an intellectual titan. Incredibly moving treatment. At once nuanced, ambivalent, humanizing. This talk reflects a deep and genuine sense of ambivalence - even pain - resulting from a lifetime of struggling against these issues, both personally and intellectually.
Indeed. And he continues to fight with gallantry and awesome power to this day.
The blind leading the blind. Read your bible if you want wisdom and not this self-righteous idiot.
the quality of this mind is astonishing
OH...!!!! What I will give for this type of conversation to be had in the mainstream..!!!
thirty years ago but not now...
David Frimpong YYYEEESSS!!!!
Just his first 3 minutes ( the long, funny, well written introductory metaphorical conversation with himself )goes so far over the heads of the mainstream mind, it wouldn't play.
MSM hate intelligent blacks. They prefer idiots like Shaun King, Al Sharptongue, and DJ Khalid
I dare say that the current protest movement wouldn't appreciate his level of intelligence either.
“Our humanity transcends our categorization.” And, “You are this, but you are also twelve other things.” Brilliant.
brilliant? eloquent, maybe, but this idea is a cliche
His last sentence stating "our humanity transcends categorization", that is the truest statement of all
@@GoldieTamamo sounds limiting.
@@GoldieTamamo hey man if you like boxes do you ig
@@GoldieTamamo i dont understand what your implying.
@@GoldieTamamo aight man have a good 1
@@GoldieTamamo love you man. Take care in jesus name.
I wish this was the conversation going on in the country at large. I just discovered this man, and appreciate him so much. I've learned more in the past few weeks listening to this man and a few others then my entire life. We don't learn the truth in public school either, so much of black history hasn't been taught in a full way. I pray for this country ❤️ I have faith we can fix this
This is definitely one of the most powerful orations on race I have ever seen.
I arrived in East Africa, from Italy, at the age of ten, and I had to wait eight months before being accepted at an English school, due to my ignorance in the language. I therefore had only locals of Bantu origin and Indians as possible friends when playing, thus started learning Swahili and English. To me, they not being European, never entered my mind that I was different from them. Thus I would propose that in the States, all parents should encourage, from when children are very young to have this experience. I therefore would like the Professor to read how this made me accept people as human beings.
PERSONAL ENCOUNTERS WITH APARTHEID
Introduction : -
I lived in East Africa from March 1949 to February 1964 in the town of ARUSHA, Attended Arusha Primary School till December 1951, before being accepted at the then “Prince of Wales” boarding school, Nairobi. Frequented this high school until end of 1957, having attained “Higher School Certificate” required for entrance to University. To celebrate the completion of school in Kabete, Nairobi, Livio Tessaro, Adonis Stylianou and I decided to cycle back home. In case wild dogs attacked us, we were to form a triangle with the bicycles and us inside this and with machetes ready. We left at 3.00 am for Arusha, in then Tanganyka (now Tanzania). We stopped for a substantial lunch at Namanga before entering Tanganyika, From there on we were on tarred road. My father partly spoilt our trip by picking us up some 30 miles from Arusha, having already completed 140 miles, with the easiest part remaining. (For the Nairobi - Arusha trip, as students we travelled to and from home on transport with different ethnic groups, including Maasai warriors).
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In the last year at boarding school, as part of our “Literature” lessons, we had to read the books “CRY THE BELOVED COUNTRY” written by Alan Paton and also “Jock of the Bushveld” written by Sir James Percy FitzPatrick, both books based in South Africa. Paton’s book was banned in RSA, since it highlighted the Apartheid system. This book left quite a mark in my mind. In Tanganyika, being a “Protectorate” and not a British Colony, most of us mixed with different ethnic groups (though sometimes frowned upon by the British), and I personally had local and asiatic friends. I learned, like many other Europeans, the native language, called Kiswahili, since few of the indigenous people could speak English.
Due to the changes in Tanganyika after independence in early 60s, my wife Teresa and I decided that it would be advisable to complete my studies at a university, as had done my friend Carl von Isenburg, who frequented the same schooling as me in East Africa before going to “Princeton” in the States. Our intention was to return to Tanganyika if the situation did not deteriorate further.
We decided that the best choice would be Durban, South African, that we had visited on our honeymoon. Therefore we left Arusha by car in February 1964 for a journey of some 3000 miles. It took five and a half days to reach our destination, and found a hotel close to the University.
Sometime I had to use the bus to get to the University. The first time, I waited at the bus stop with a group of local people, who got on before me, and when it was my turn to board, the driver simply said “Nie Blankes”. I did not undersand, and a lady behind me explained that the green bus is reserved for “coloured persons”, and that the driver was saying “No Whites”. I asked how I could get to the University, and she informed that I had to wait for the red bus with the White driver. I then remembered Paton’s book. One day, at the bus stop, a Chinese student was also waiting. We got talking, and he told me that he lived far from the University. So I asked him what time he usually left home; he replied that he boarded the first bus at 3:00 in the morning, before catching two other buses to arrive at the stop we were. I spoke of this with my wife and we decided to ask him if he wished to share our apartment during the week. He was so surprised that he hesitated to reply, but he accepted on condition that he contributed for food and lodgings. He often brought his Chinese friends around. And we learned so many things from them including Jazz (e.g. Ramsey Lewis Trio) that we were not familiar with. We became real friends, but after Eddie Chan Henry and his wife Daphne, left in order for him to teach at the University of Vancouver in Canada, we lost contact. To note that, Chinese were not cosidered “whites” but “honorary whites” with their own areas to live in, hence, unbeknown to us at the time, we were breaking the laws of the country.
During Apartheid, most amenities were marked for “WHITES ONLY” or “NON WHITES”, a clear discrimination based on the colour of the skin.
After graduation, I decided to seek short term employment in companies for which I had been obliged by the University to work during the University holidays. If any company did not find our performance or behaviour satisfactory, the University, on receiving this information, could have terminated our studies. The first company I joined, after some months wished to promote me to their Head Office in Johannesburg. I remained there a short while, and decided to resign and return to Durban, to my wife and young son. I then joined another construction company near where we lived. They transferred me to Ixopo to manage a new road contract for them. On this contract I encountered some new aspects of apartheid. The Materials Technician came to present the results of various tests requested by the Roads Department of Natal. The tea-boy arrived with the usual cup for me, and I asked the technian what he would like to drink, tea or coffee. He hesitated, so I ordered tea for him. Whilst analysing the results for compliance, in walked a foreman without knocking, and immediately stopped, turned around and exited by slamming the door. On asking my secretary where the foreman was, I was told he had left the site saying that “he will not work for a person that drinks tea with a “kaffir” (local term for a person of Bantu origin)”. Philip Ndaba, the technician, in my opinion was better educated than the foreman, and certainly had better manners. Philip belonged to the Xhosa tribe, the same as Nelson Mandela. The accountant for the project was Runga Naidoo of Indian origin, and lived nearby with his wife. All our senior personnel, on week-ends could come to visit our home not far from the project, irrespective of their origins.
Many years later, I started my own business near Durban, and bought a house in an isolated area called New Germany. One late evening I heard a soft knocking on one of the windows, and on investigation, I found Philip Ndaba and his brother John standing outside in the dark. Surprised as I was, I felt their fear, and asked what was the matter. Philip explained that the South African security police was searching for them, and asked if I could help them. He told me the facts before replying. I hid them in the empty servants’ building on our the property, with instruction not to make noises and not to open to anyone unless they heard my voice. I would bring food in the dark and knock three times in succession, repeated again after a short interval. NO one knew of their presence on the property. Three evenings later, I let them out, gave them provisions. They thanked me, and said they would somehow let me have their news. Weeks later, one of our workers informed me that they were safely in their “homeland” Transkei.
It is strange that the very people that critized the Apartheid policies when applied to them, now do the same to other ethnic groups. The Bantus were migrants from the Nigeria / Cameroun region who first moved south along the Atlantic route, with a later one going east before swinging through East Africa and down as far as Transkei. Mandela will now be turning in his grave for this situation.
Nelson Mandela and the Indaba* of his tribe are for me examples that many European “Politicians” should emulate in their daily behaviour.
* Tribal council ….. one should read the book on his history “LONG WALK TO FREEDOM”.
I am a spectator, from my house, who has watched hundreds of speeches and lectures on line and until today never applauded a speaker at the end of their talk. This man is courageous and brilliant. Thank you, Glenn.
This mans honesty and bravery is a breath of fresh air 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾He pulls no bunches ...
We need a lot more people in our community willing to stand up for what is right. What is truth 🙏🏿
Sadly he is one in a million, or fifty million. Most people are hopeless idiots and that is why our world spirals into degeneracy, no matter the race.
He is a fraud and a liar.
Thank you Patrick, you sparked a great answer from Glenn, 1:15:37 -- 1:19:09
Powerful stuff. The way in which Professor Loury communicates his memories are very telling of "where his heart is". Thank you for being a voice of reason.
Thank you professor Loury for your words of truth and wisdom, I pray for more and courageous intellectual man like yourself to speak out, You spoke from the heart and with so much passion it made me cry, Your life story didn't get you down,, In fact it made you climbed high with the help of G-d , let's hope for a better future for black Americans and for all Americans, G-d bless you and keep you safe!
11:15 struck to my core. What a wonderful question to envelope your audience in the discourse. I truly enjoyed this lecture.
I think I'm more upset that the school didn't provide the man a fan and some water. He's a guest for crying out loud. I'm from Chicago too. So I appreciated his tone throughout this lecture. What got me was when he mentioned the enemy without vs the enemy within. I don't know what brought Mrs. King to tears. He was telling the truth. We spend more time putting the shackles on ourselves as a people, than our so-called oppressors even get the chance to. I've come to ask myself when will my people actually become Americans? Yes, we're all American citizens, but patriots is another category.
During these tumultuous times I hope many more will appreciate listening to Mr. Loury's personal disposition within the vast black identity. His unique experience helps define black individuality amongst the heavy currents of today's tribalism in identity politics. Thank you Watson Institute!
Rubbish 🗑!
My take is that that is ten minutes of the most concise truth on present political America that you will ever hear.
There are so few comments, I feel compelled to say something. This is only second the time I have heard professor Loury speak but it certainly will not be the last. Great talk! I lament the fact that Franchesca Ramsey get 100s of times more viewers.
People in particular blacks like being told their problems are someone else's fault.
That's interesting. What studies have you used to make this claim? Do you think that is a characteristic that resides in their melanin?
aped but he's not absolving the system either. it takes resolving issues in both arenas.
aped Interesting hypotheses, here’s a corollary: People, in particular whites, like telling other people, in particular blacks, everything that happens to them is their fault.
@@grantforeman5154 That may be true but we cant control other people as we can ourselves.
I would pay big money to watch a 2-3hr debate between Glen Loury and Cornell West!!!!
Wooooow. THAT would be interesting
Hear, Hear!!
Wouldn't happen, it would be great but very unlikely
Only one would bring something of substance
@@tulkdog which one 😏?
This is GOLD, where have I been.
i can't get enough of this guy. just great...
I hope people start realizing how valuable this man is. I hope those in his direct circle are letting him know that it is very important that he start taking care of himself health wise. We need this man to stay alive and healthy for many years to come. Please take care of yourself, Glenn. For humanities sake. I know it is an unfair statement in many ways but unfortunately this is what life has come to. This man should be the gold standard by which leadership is measured.
This is so good. It just gets better as it goes, so watch to the end. Thank you for sharing.
This deserves more attention
Glenn Loury and Cornel West….. all day and everyday. Honesty, integrity with nuance and context. No catchy “simple” answers for these two gentlemen.
I commend you for your needed voice!!! It takes so much courage, especially in these heated times!!!!!
WOW. This man is really something. Professor Lowry is a beautiful, moving writer, speaker, and intellect.
This was incredible.
So timely and much needed for all to digest. This is the conversation we should be having, but are not. Thank you, Mr. Loury, for saying the hard things so eloquently.
Another excellent presentation - my new hero Glenn Loury "He Da Man"!
80 comments! I’m stunned! What does it say about the intellectual diet of our present society when such appealing depth, insight, brilliance, and edification as offered here can rouse only eighty comments? Talk about being awaken from a deep and heavy slumber! I’ve heard of this man before, but never took the time to check him out. I’m guilty as charged! And perhaps my disclosure is just one among thousands of other reasons out there in cyber space answering my question. But from this point on I will not be among the party of culprits. This man has won me over. Agree or disagree with him, the intellectual fare he offers can be chewed on for nourishment, light, and growth. I’m sold!
Mr. Loury,
This incredible lecture should have been witnessed by millions more and commented on by at least several hundred thousands. But that is how it is in our world.
I wish to say here, that your generation, and the two that preceded it, have been an enormous influence in my life (reading Baldwin as a startled 11 year old, and a lover of black musical history and its consequences since before I knew how to read and write.)
I am a longtime fan of the two black guys podcast, and have found great comfort and illumination in that over the years.
Long have I been pondering the absence of outrage throughout the land over what you so eloquently allude to here. Systemic violence, illiteracy, and the hundreds of thousands of wasted young lives, every one of which has been born into a society that proclaims itself free.
I have no argument. I struggle at times to see this picture clearly, as if I've been constructing a giant jigsaw puzzle over time, and must step back continually to guess at what the completed picture might be, wondering if it ever will be complete.
Political discourse, academic analysis, jurisprudence and social sciences all have a crack at this, and perhaps too often leave out the most important ingredient, that passion that rings so obviously clear and true in your voice. I fear that too often we don't really hear each other.
That last reply at the very end.....makes me think very much about tethers, in all their variance and complexities. And about the idea that what can appear to be freedom from those tethers comes in the guise of further tethering. Not necessarily by devious means, but by misguided belief, and failures to understand some of those complexities. It is all such a moral and often emotional battle, after all. We can hope that more humans learn to pay attention to both of those things, while they also learn the art of tackling complexities. There are, after all, things that others can free us from. There are also things that only we ourselves can free ourselves from. When knowledge after time, leads to wisdom to know the difference, we thrive.
I'm very much looking forward to reading your memoirs.
You don't see eloquence like yours too often on social media. With words like yours, I thought you might enjoy works like mine:
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I don’t do slogans, so to me, “Black Lives Matter” is just as empty as its comeback cousin. Blunt instruments for change are just too ham-handed for my taste. Rather than endlessly debate catch phrases, monuments, and movements-I’m far more interested in considering the underlying merit in a point of view. While everyone else spins their wheels on who’s right, I define what I see by factoring for what’s true (isolating and correlating along the way). When it comes to ascertaining the truth, I don’t care what your cause is, who’s in the White House, who controls Congress or the courts. I learned early on in life that what you want gets in the way of what you see.
Does the Democratic Party have a history of manipulating racially-charged incidents? Undeniably! Has the left-leaning side of the cable clans increasingly accommodated Democrats over the years? Without question! Can you conclude what happened to Trayvon and Michael Brown with the same certainty as the death of George Floyd? No way-but ya did, and in lickety-split fashion.
Zimmerman’s brother perfectly put it: “He had the greater hand in his own demise.” To an apologist, he had no hand at all-a mindset that violates the rules of reality. If you’re pulled over by the police and you cop an attitude, you’re askin’ for trouble. And right on cue, “He was a wannabe cop and was told not to follow him!” So, you want to skip right over what transpired and go right to “gunned down”-because he was armed and didn’t follow instructions? Wishful thinking is not an argument-not to mention the fact that preforming calcified conclusions is prejudice by definition.
The Left seeks to eradicate racism while refusing to recognize how they fuel it. The second they painted Trayvon as a child, they contaminated their judgment. The cops made an honest mistake in calling his watermelon drink “iced tea” (simply because of the brand). That the media advocates reported it the same way at first is understandable. That they never corrected it is unforgivable. To conform to fact, we must agree that it was watermelon and consider what it means: Maybe nothing, maybe everything. But you pollute the debate when you won’t even acknowledge the irrefutable. Worse than that-you poison your purpose.
You’d think that a party that prides itself on intellectualism would examine the efficacy of their efforts. Perhaps even try some predictive analysis:
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Hmm, we’ve got the first black president in the White House and we’re marching to Black Lives Matter. That might be overplaying our hand and have unintended consequences. Same goes for the removal of monuments-do we really want to infuriate the opposition for fleeting gain? Maybe the awe-inspiring artistry of historical figures will spark a sense of wonder in the youth. Perhaps they’ll read the plaque and probe for more. Whatever their findings, isn’t there great value in that process of discovery? Wouldn’t it be better if we just let people make up their own minds about whether problematic pieces embody hate or heritage? And even if the monuments could magically vanish from the face of the Earth, would that really solve anything? On top of all that, it seems that the more sensitive we try to be, the more hypersensitive our culture has become. That wasn’t our aim.
We elected a sophisticated guy-shouldn’t we seek change in a bold and sophisticated manner? After all, wasn’t that the point of his presidency? Wouldn’t we be more successful in solving problems if we took an honest look at the different dimensions within them? Instead of putting Kaepernick on a pedestal for telling us what we wanna hear, maybe we should be inspired by Kobe who told us what we don’t:
"I won't react to something just because I'm supposed to, because I'm an African-American. That argument doesn't make any sense to me. So we want to advance as a society and a culture, but, say, if something happens to an African-American, we immediately come to his defense? Yet you want to talk about how far we've progressed as a society? Well, then don't jump to somebody's defense just because they're African-American."
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For immovable conservatives who find comfort in that quote-take a good look in the mirror, because defending the indefensible is your M.O. What we’re seeing today was partly built on a foundation of manufactured outrage (which applies to most controversial issues in America over the last 30 years). Decades of dishonesty in the Gutter Games of Government is not a nation on a path to greatness. I wrote this piece before I came across the accompanying video. I was blown away by these words: “Anti-racism, as currently configured-has gone a long way from what used to be considered intelligent and sincere civil rights activism. Today it's a religion.”
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“I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.”
― Leo Tolstoy
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I'm ashamed to admit that I've only just now seen your comment, Sir Laughs a Lot. I very much appreciate it! GL
@@glennloury3677 Your acknowledgement just brightened up this dull and cloudy winter day up here in the northland, Glenn. The air is positively sparkling.
But on a more serious note, I can only hope in this still relatively young new year, winds up change blow us toward not only a warmer spring, but a deeper sense of understanding, not least - that humanity and honest values overcome a tragedy of ignorance that stalks the land.
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You have been hoodwinked Mr laughalot. The blind leading the blind. It's 5 years on and things are so much better now! His thinking has offered us no real solutions to the ills of mankind. Without the God of the Bible we are doomed to fail. But take heart...He is coming soon and a few will make it into His kingdom.. that utopia that all secularist thinkers like Loury can only talk about and never bring about...for all their "wisdom".
@@glennloury3677 You're most welcome, Sir. I am at this very moment conspiring on how to get my hands on an autographed copy of your memiors. I fear I will not rest until this has been accomplished. Easy for me to say. I don't have to write the thing, you do. All I have to do is read it.
Easy enough. You have been a giant influence and inspiration on me over the past decade. Many thanks for that which has been so rare. (Oh heck. Two replies to the same rejoinder. My absent mind.)
I looked up the book he recommended: Ethnicity without groups, and found it very thought provoking, to say the least. Great lecture. In a reasonable society, the availability of such knowledge to the masses would be a death knell to the universities.
OMG Glenn Loury! Anything but that!! Run awaaaaayy!
A great difference between an intellectual and an ideologue....Thank you Dr. Loury.
This should be a clarion call, instead he is vilified by those who seek equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity. I don't think the content of the speech could be more relevant than it is right now in 2020. 55 years after the end of Jim Crow, I wonder what MLK would think of the fruit of his labors, and ultimately of his martyrdom. I am neither black nor an intellectual , but I did grow up in the 80's during the bussing and reintegration of black schools in upstate NY in the 1980's. My school was 97% percent black , in a "bad" neighborhood. I undoubtedly have a very different view of things when compared with another lower middle class northereastern white male. I was a silent witness to the urban blight he describes. Later, in the 90's many of my primary schoolmates were killed in gang violence, by other former schoolmates. My heart broke seeing the hopelessness and desolation. It has only grown worse. I retain little hope that the current anger directed at the law enforcement community will be successful in effecting any level of tangible change in the black community, because it will address none of the root problems.
Judging on Content of Character is what MLKJrs dream narrative that has been completely lost. MLKJr did not support crime and derogatory values of any peoples. His protests were with in the right of Americans and were carried out peacefully with a point and a clear demand. He would be so upset of what is going on today and would speak out in line with the likes of Dr. Lowry and others with out a question... what is going on today is an attack on our God given rights, some of which are embodied in the DoI and constitution of our country. Our mouths are fettered by the movement and radical support of it today. Our very freedom is at risk under the lie of supporting freedom... continue to speak the truth effectively...
How on earth is policing not a problem? On one hand he clearly admits what's being done is ENHANCING crime AND is completely ineffectual in combating actual problems (gang proliferation)
How exactly are those people supposed to stand up to multi billion if not trillion drug industry (which HAS been linked to CIA in actual documents now)
@@ZealothPL Read what I wrote. Nowhere do I say policing isn't a problem. If you read it again, you'll see that what I said is that anger directed at police won't do anything. It doesn't change a 70% out of wedlock birth rate. It won't change generational dependence on a welfare state that has failed them on every level. It won't change a severely broken 2 party political system where their supposed allied pander to them and handicap them and the other ignores and marginalizes them. Blind omnidirectional rage shouted from the rooftops of Twitter changes nothing. Now we have pro athletes with a voice like DeShaun Jackson regurgitating toxic anti Semitic rhetoric from BLM and Farrakhan that it's obvious they don't understand the ramifications of.
@@ZealothPL Like everything else, it starts in the home. We are not hatched. The great economist Walter Williams famously posed the question, "Who owns your life?"
@@davestier6247 well nowadays it seems like the conservatives are finally trying to help.
Speaking as a person who grew up in a slum. What you call today the hood. I watched as we gained positions as judges, engineers, inventors, supreme court judge, astronauts, astronomers, professors, political advisers, lobbyists, wed developers, CIA, FBI, DIA, agents, ballet dancers, opera singers, olympians, teachers, singers, doctors, nurses, lawyers, reporters, journalists, authors, poets. I watched from afar because the people mainly, not all, but mainly didn't come from my background. Instead we had single mothers who had no time for their children. We were all mistakes and we knew it. Our mothers continued dating looking for that one man that would stay. Bringing them into our homes. We were all molested. I don't now one male or female I grew up with that didn't have some man try something or do something to us. Plus the beatings. Lots of beatings. Robberies, gangs trying to get us to join to sell for them cause we were young. Everyone I kew had no hope. Our parents were too hopeless to give us any. Bullies in schools made it impossible to go or you learned to fight. No one talked about the amazing things people of color were doing. They were jealous about it. I still have some of my old friends and we hated our lives growing up. We hated our mothers for looking for love. We still hate the men. They had no mercy for us. BLM is a farce. Drugs, alcohol, selfish people, who are so self absorbed and immature they refuse birth control and teach their children to fight the system and hate the police. They taught us that men in nice cars were to be admired. Not men who studied. In fact every child I knew who loved to read were eventually beat down by their parents. So as a person who lived it and watch it continue with the over stimulation of violent movies and rap I say f Soros. F all those people who talk about our plight and refuse to address the cause. The real cause. Bs refusing to use birth control in a country that practically gives it to you. In a coin try where they fought a war to end slavery while 2/3 of the world still have a robust slave trade. 45 million slaves in the world right now. And we sit here divided as Fuc going nowhere in a country where we could do anything if given half a chance by our own people. We are Americans. Not anything else. Divided we fall. Divided and arguing and petty we are weak. Can't blame no one else. But now Trump is in office so it might be too late.
And yes I am uneducated. Thanks to my first 19 years.
You may be uneducated, but you are still a smart person. Education, intelligence and wisdom are NOT the same things. Education does not give you intelligence nor wisdom.
This is a heartbreakingly necessary depiction. Thanks for this.
Uneducated? I wouldn't say that... no formal education does not mean unintelligent, unwise, unperceptive, or incapable of learning. You do yourself an injustice not everyone can listen to Glen Loury and understand what he says.
You are full of humility, honesty, and wisdom through experience. Gary Gygax, the creator of dungeons and dragons, once said "You can have all the intelligence (and education) in the world, but not the wisdom to apply any of it to the physical world." (explaining in DnD why a wizard with high intelligence would use dark magic to try and make a better world, only for it to backfire or corrupt him and turn him evil). Gandalf from Lord of the Rings made a similar point (no being older than Gygax's quote) that if he took the ring from Frodo he would use it for good, but through him, only evil power and action would be produced. It all derives from the saying "The road to hell is paved by those with good intentions".
I am highly educated in the field of Music, with a minor in psychology. What you describe is a statement made from great wisdom and experience that a college student today would not understand or be able to relate towards, hence why your point seems to fall on deaf ears. What is most important is that you continue to voice your experiences and make sure those whose bloated egos of self righteousness actually start listening to the victims of the current cultural issues in the community you come from.The parties they support must adopt this evidence as truth, as there is physical evidence in abundance of it. Your voice has always been important, and now, more than ever, do we need it now. :)
Amazing talk. I love listening to intellectuals talk. So dense in each sentence. This will be one to chew on for a while.
I absolutely believe we need to aspire to a post-racial society. Ideology is so much more important.
I would listen to Glen all day and even all week if I could.
someone needs to make a movie about his memoire! Full of Jazz and family drama! Mix of decent and street as well as a mix of styles of the era! I would watch that!
"Is there any space in the public conversation for a nuanced and complex moral engagement with these questions, or do they merely become fodder for partisan argument?" I sincerely hope one emerges and more voices adequately expressing the nuance and complexity of these issues emerge. There are too few now, and too much misguided, regressive, simplistic and/or childish opposition to intellectually rigorous, honest and open conversation on the subject. It's a shame so few view talks like this.
I went to an "elite" school for my masters, and even there, I would say the conversations were almost always lacking enough nuance to be productive. Even there, they quickly turned partisan or at best, far too simplistic. The fact that it can't be had there, amongst individuals in their late twenties and early thirties, really makes me wonder how long it will take to see productive conversations in the normal public discourse. I don't know if it's in my lifetime.
I fear you're right. I work in the public school system in an urban setting. The theories put forward by leadership regarding the causes of the achievement gap and the solutions enacted to narrow it are appalling in their shallowness and lack of empirical (or even purely rational) support. Needless to say, these ways of framing and conceptualizing the challenges we face (i.e., disparities in performance and outcomes arise primarily from school system biases and other forms of prejudice in the broader community) seem to be shared by a majority of staff and as such are modeled for the next generation. One is taking a risk of being labeled as being against the district's "equity vision" merely to point out the complexities involved. I am given some hope by the modern media landscape with thinkers like Loury & McWhorter being widely available through youtube and podcasts, but I am consistently deeply troubled by the quality of the discourse, the solutions generated from this discourse, and the implications this has for us actually improving lives and communities.
Offended!
Eamon Harris Well said.
It’s a shame so few talk views like this?
*"Our humanity transcends our categorization"* - Glenn Loury
_If only..._ 💙🙏🏼 🇺🇸🙏🏿❤
Dr. Loury's analysis from 49:11 to 57:22 illustrates a crucially important, sophisticated, much-need assumption of multiple causes for the violence he describes. I'm grateful for his brilliance.
Anyone else never heard of this guy before Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying gave him a shoutout during the Dark Horse podcast in the days of the riots? This speech is incredible, I kept trying to figure out "which side" he was on, he's "all over the map," only to realize at his manifesto, this is what nuanced conversation sounds like and I forgot what that was.
Yes...check out bloggingheads.tv on youtube. His convos with McWhorter are fantastic.
j.du6 I find him to be very polemical in that context, to be honest. I didn’t quite realize he had this more nuanced viewpoint. I didn’t think he supported any public policy action for these problems. Happy he’s not a Reaganite economist.
These "sides" are part of the issue. You can be critical of something while supporting its basic idea.
Please give a way for us to get in touch with Dr. Loury. He has spoken for thousands of African Americans. Many of us agree and have plans that need help to join the army.
I have been in tears 😭. I have been supporting these thoughts very similar, and like you say “call it like you see it” with personal experience myself. My problem is I am now considered with “no humanity “ as though I don’t care about these communities. I do Care, but like your judge friend, “they/you, (because I’m white), really want to be helped”. I would love to help, but realized that the folks around me would rather steal food stamps than work and try to get out of the “ghetto”. Idk how to feel and truly help. I love your thoughts and strongly agree with what you have suggested. 🙏🏼 to you
What a beautiful lecture. He's the only voice which seems to wrestle with the true complexity of race in the US.
Thank you Professor for the insights.
"Nuance is a virtue " - Professor Loury
WOW!!!!! Put this on replay on Every jumbotron in America. Brilliant!
Every time I listen to this man, I am made more intelligent from the experience. Rational, honest, and forthright, he is a titan in his assessments. Though I might not always agree with him on every subject, only a fool would dismiss his logic.
She (the widow King) Cried, Not because he was Wrong, but Because he Was Right.
Though it is good Professor Loury learned it is better to Fix what's wrong, as opposed to merely pointing Out what's wrong.
Outstanding! Thank you.
Worth listening to the end.
Love this man. Lest we only end up "speaking to the choir," we need to share this video with others by recommendation or in the various social media available. Both the far right and progressives of ALL colors need to hear this message. It is a nuanced, dialectical understanding of the issues at hand--wooden Aristotelian thinking in simple terms of black and white simply don't cut it.
Pity this has so few views...
You're right, but I'm afraid this is practically a law of TH-cam views: the greater the intellectual depth and breadth of the video, the fewer people bother watching it. (Meanwhile, those good old, 5 min Hannity and Colmes shouting matches used to garner millions of views.)
I disagree. His whole problem is that he views the world through his own racial lens (despite the answer to the very last question) and he made that clear throughout his speech. I think this greatly colors the way he sees the world, even the bit about allowing felons to vote. While I know time was short, one of the justifications he used for that position was that Mich McConnel and W wouldn't have been elected if not for felons not being able to vote. To make it worse, he is wrong about that. Relatively minor felons CAN vote. I know several convicted felons that are able to vote because they were convicted of the lesser felonies. If you get convicted of a class 2 or 1 felony, you will never vote again, nor should you. But his whole attitude towards it was colored by the racial lens with which he views the world. IE.. More black people could vote if more felons were allowed to vote.
@Thomas Couldn't agree more. Why would we permanently take away the right to vote from felons? It's not like it would be a significant deterrent, or that felons would be able to band together to vote some crime-lord into office.
Ben Ellingson They all are what I find are the truly patriotic, black ministers, politicians, and literate professors are all against those that are not trying to better all race relations, just tear them down...and call them Uncle Tom's, so they do not get the press as the one's that the MSM's report on...what a shame as I find Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, Mason Weaver are true American patriots, just like Professor Glen Loury.
you clearly didn't hear his argument and it's not about voting. The argument is very simple. Once you have "paid your debt" to society for your transgression(s), by what logic or standard of morality to you then further perpetuate "criminal status"??
“Our humanity transcends our categorization.” Amen.
24:07 Social Pathology
56:10 intervention
57:19 refute me if you will but silence me you will not
1:03:35 Code of the street
Thank you. I've listened to parts of this three times and very much wanted the quote about refuting but not silencing.
I watched three of his most recent videos today in March of 2021. His viewpoint has swung remarkably to the right. Honestly I've been listening to him for 2 years, and I almost can't recognize him in this video. It's heartfelt and positive, but so different in orientation.
The problem with the right wing viewpoint is that no culture on the face of the Earth has ever magically changed because you merely berated them.
Cultures and crime adapt to institutional structures and the environment. If they didn't, it would be impossible to explain the crime rates in "model minority" places like Japan, Hong Kong, or Singapore over the 20th century.
For reference in Japan: "The financial crisis was followed by another increase in crime, with penal code crimes peaking at approximately 2.85 million in 2002, which was the highest number ever recorded. Overall, the increase in the crime rate during the 5-year period between 1998 and 2002 was a startling *40.3 %* ."
@Bill-kk7tz Crime in Japan, Singapore and Hong Kong remain comparatively low, even in times of financial downturn.
Criminal behavior and activity rates are largely tied to race and culture in the west. However sketchy any trailer park may be, it will be a safer place than Oakland or Compton.
An intellectual lion. We are fortunate this man has decided to be so prolific virtually. Still find it hard to believe this lecture hall isn't packed.
Great family story towards the end.. I agree with everything and the loosing of morals is becoming a problem with every group in US. Hope people watch & wanna take up the hard work in front of us!!!
'The land of the Free' and other such sayings are not statements of fact but of ideals! Goals! Desirable wants and needs. America is a land of ideas and aspirations for an improving and progressing world [actual progression].
Really enjoyed this lecture 👍😎
It is far easier to judge based on obvious markers such as race than to judge based on values, honor, discipline, courage and honesty. Lazy and or simple-minded people cannot handle much more or do not care to.
That should be viewed as academic... a no-brainer, but, sadly, most sadly, the aphorism-rich discussion of truth will likely be drowned out by more simplistic, socially acceptable, and completely flaccid appeasement without progress.
Nice. I’m going to quote! Thanks!
Truly incredible analysis. Beginning to end. He didnt skip a beat.
I mean wow.
I wonder how many of you listened to the full lecture or did you just pick out his soundbites? Wordy but worthy.
Such thoughtfulness in one brilliant man who should be helping to write federal social policies.
Glenn Loury is a national treasure
As a conservative that has been bombarded with liberal propoganda, if anyone could change my mind on some things, it's this guy. This is an incredibly well crafted lecture. It includes much needed nuance and leads the mind from one stance to another. I still believe more in individual responsibility, but through this lens, i can see potential truth in a societal responsibility also.
Great to see your open mind. Things are rarely black and white..theres alot of gray area. I also lean towards personal responsibility, but then I think that for the seed to grow to itz fullest potential, it needs fertile soil first..
The Middle way. The answer is usually from both sides of the argument. It’s why nuance is so important. Because that’s where you find the acknowledgment for both sides and find the compromise.
Unfortunately, the American people have been primed for tribal sides. Zero nuance, 100% outrage, spend spend spend. Played and preyed on by our baseline mental programming - fear, compassion, hurt, anger. It’s tragic that our leaders and elites would rather USE the population than GUIDE the population for a greater civilization. Greed, lust, status - the elites bring us down to their level. They are not elevated since they are slaves to their own power and corruption. I do not envy the elite even though I am frightened. They are already empty inside and want everyone else to be too.
Loved reading this comment.
@@umiluv the biggest problem though with saying the answer is ALWAYS in the middle, is the shifting of the overton window. Like saying men cannot get pregnant (a scientific fact) is now political. That's literally insane. Just one example.
Absolutely brilliant man, but he is so smart it's hard to follow his speech without have to looking up some words. Great points all around, needs to be a more sought after voice in our society.
Took a covid era road trip through Nevada and Utah listening to pod casts to get to Freakonomics and finally Glenn Loury (I had heard of him before, but only peripherally as a kind of "black conservative sell out"). Since then, I have become less "Liberal" but even less of today's "conservative". Sort of a "what really works" moderate. Glenn now fits the bill for me. I also realized that Africa contains about 5 dominant tribes that are quite distinct except for the fact that they share generally darker hues. So, what exactly is race? Also, that these tribes were quite bloody ... as the Europeans were ... as well as the Asians were.
Currently, I'm all for creating equity and opportunity in the US. There were indeed great and organized injustices, partly against my own ancestors who migrated here who had to change their names to get employment and education. I also see Chinese and Indians who do well but who can't possibly hide their "race" or accent. There is structural racism, but I think it's of a universal sort of human categorization/human cognition sort that is very difficult or impossible to overcome and is not the primary reason why blacks are not doing well. That is, if somehow, whites become super humanly "woke", "pure" and absolutely color blind, AND provided full financial reparations, that only a little would change. It is also insulting -- that the fundamental help for blacks has to come from whites. There are other causal variables that mostly involve family structure and in particular how children are raised cognitively that are much more fundamental.
Play this at 1.5 speed and he sounds even more brilliant.
I thoroughly enjoyed this.
This speech needs to be simplified for the masses.... And myself.
I understand what he is saying but unfortunately his vocabulary expands mine at times. Doing my best to keep up!
That's part of the point. He's inviting us to learn and encouraging us to elevate our vocabularly.
Carl Winslow got wicked smart.
Seriously though, fantastic lecture; could not be more relevant today.
Damn his life story was so well told. I have had interesting things happen in my life but I don't have the words to paint so vivid a picture as Glenn Loury. It's a shame that the majority of people who will bother to listen to Glenn are likely bigoted and fail to hear his arguments in their entirety or understand exactly what he is saying and that the people that most need to hear it on the left will likely stop listening very quickly once they register what Glenn is saying. I have been listening to him quite a bit on Bloggingheads with McWhorter and disagree with him often when he comes into disagreement with McWhorter but this was a very engaging and thoughtful presentation.
AFAICT, all of the people who asked questions were international students. It's great that those students are trying to understand the problems in this country. It often seems to me that immigrants appreciate what it means to be an American more than some of us who were born here. However, I wonder if any students who grew up in the US were in attendance, White, Black or otherwise. That bothers me because those who grew up in this country are probably the ones who need to hear nuanced approaches to big societal problems the most.
I heard him say on another video that all (or perhaps most) of his grad students were international foreign students.
@@mdarrenu Well, that would largely explain it.
@@JonathanRossRogers And it seems more than a few African students. Does Brown get to count that for AA/Blacks? I wonder.
@@mdarrenu I agree that it's not obvious that people currently residing in America, but born in Africa should be categorized as "African-American." To anyone who thinks it is obvious, I'd point out that my father, who is white of entirely European descent, was born in Sudan to a Canadian father and American (US citizen) mother and grew up in Ethiopia. He likes to say he's an African-American and I'm never sure how much he's joking. Another potential source of confusion is that indigenous Australians are called "black," though I'm unsure of the etiquette around use of the term.
@@JonathanRossRogers I had a blonde chick friend from South Africa (born and raised) - same deal.
How is that lecture hall not full?!?! There shouldn't have been standing room.
Great talk. Bottom line: that which affects the black community affects all of humanity, individually and collectively. Those who will not look within and master themselves, nor practice self-awareness/accountability/responsibility are the problem. Self-awareness/accountability/responsibility of each individual and community is the only way humanity evolves, otherwise all we get is more pain and suffering in other forms-history repeated by and for the foolish.
Rob H [Irony Alert] Yes, those newborns who will not take responsibility are the problem. Humanity will only evolve when newborns spring from the womb responsible citizens.
@@grantforeman5154 use your brain. This obviously doe not apply to newborns.
@@robh5695[Irony Alert] Hmm...OK, those toddlers who will not take responsibility are the problem...
@@grantforeman5154 people like you are the problem. You are either that stupid or a troll, and I suspect it is both.
@@robh5695 Apparently my reductio ad absurdum does not work for you. Let me sail a different tack. Assume for the moment that "the only way humanity evolves" is on the narrow path of individual "self-awareness/accountability/responsibility", and the only problem faced is from "those who will not look within and master themselves, nor practice self-awareness/accountability/responsibility". Questions arise:
Why don't these problem people "look within and master themselves"?
Do they not have inward seeing eyes?
What grows these eyes?
Do newborns have them yet like with new puppies the lids are closed?
What opens them?
Do these eyes always open with hypnotic gaze to enslave the wild self?
What hinders the practice of "self-awareness/accountability/responsibility"?
Is this trinity some kind of bone/muscle/tendon system?
What nourishment and exercise does this system need?
What tools would allow this system to do work impossible without?
I think, somewhere, Professor Loury said that the world is nuanced and there may not be simple solutions to its problems.
This is brilliant and densely packed information. Racism is constantly blamed for group-think differentiation and personal bias. But visual distinctions such as skin color are not as much to blame as are the cultural, language, border, economic, educational, religious, and political differences between various human groups.
One of my favorite lyricists, the recently departed Neil Peart, wrote in the song "Entre Nous":
"Just between us
I think it's time for us to recognize
The differences we sometimes feared to show
Just between us
I think it's time for us to realize
The spaces in between
Leave room
For you and I to grow".
I love to read memoirs!
I love this so much
I hear you Sir☹️🙏🧘🏿🧏🏾♀️👏🏾
Circa 32 minute mark: Some of the feelings expressed by Loury can be seen in the play/movie A Soldier's Story.
Don't know if you read these, but you also made a middle-age White woman cry. I wish more people would watch this as well.
Awesome. thank you.
So powerful.
Isnt his pov in this lecture just remarkably different than what it is today, 2021? Like, really really different?
My impression is that Mrs. King had tears for she agreed with what you said and felt it on a deep emotional level. Why did you assume that she cried because she disagreed with you?? WHY DIDN'T YOU ASK HER??
I kinda thought that might be possible, too.
One of the few videos I had to slow down to absorb the information ℹ️
This was so amazing
Glenn is an amazing academic, always honest and able to steel man the argument of the 'other side' to develop fact-based opinions.
This is a true intellectual!!!
I have met a lot of intellectuals men and women of color in all levels of society and they have a gift of knowledge and discernment, the truth is liberating. For us people not belonging to the same group of people of color we respect people of color and in fact we envy you guys of the privilege you guys have. We simply give in to whatever the demands of you hoping we will live together in peace and love.
AMEN AMEN AMEN! IT IS ABOUT TIME SOMEONE STOOD UP. I WANT TO HELP. I HAVE PLANS.1 HAVE SEVERAL PLANS AND SO DO MY FRIENDS. WE ARE ALL NEEDED.!!!