“Multilevel marketing is an industry that systematically disempowers women while masquerading as female empowerment” 👏🏼👏🏼 perfectly, perfectly put. I appreciate the facts and knowledge you put into your videos and reactions! Also the kitty cameo, yes plz 😍
I have an incredible amount of disdain for the concept that everything you do, everything you say, everything you think, MUST be monetized. Just let people enjoy things. If everyone only likes things they got paid to pretend to like...ugh...
Yes my parents turned me away from everything I liked to do cause they were like well that could be your job why don’t you make money I’m like yeah I get that but then I won’t enjoy it anymore if I make it work instead of my escape. Catch 22
or we like something but dont want to be responsible for/blamed when someone buys it and is unsatisfied. advertising something as an individual is a big responsibility
I'm not from the US, but why do these MLM people assume that corporate jobs are the only 9-5 jobs out there? Aside from professions like lawyers, engineers, doctors, etc. there's also people in jobs in fields like academia, research, development consulting, etc. My job is technically a 9-5, but I'm in a research organization and I get paid for reading and writing research work. And while there are issues with wages in almost every sector, not every 9-5 job is a corporate job, and even corporates hire creatives/consultants who have the convenience of working from home. Consultancy is such a huge thing that even UN agencies hire people to work remotely on a project. So what ARE the benefits of an MLM over a corporate if even the remote work thing isn't limited to an MLM?
Exactly. Why is the MLM main pitch to only people working a 9 to 5 corporate job? I work 2 part time jobs and can essentially work the hours that work best for me because I work in the restaurant scene and EVERYONE needs employees right now. I would NEVER choose (be forced) to be on my phone 24/7 and showing my face all over social media to sell overpriced products. I've been approached a few times to sell shit and I'm like NO I love my job lol I make 30 bucks an hour, get to do my own thing and I love the work I do, and then I get to clock out and do whatever the hell I want afterwards haha Working a scam is just not for me, sorry. ✌🤣
The MLM Huns are trying to take advantage of the idea that anything with the word “corporation” attaches to it somehow has a bad connotation towards it - especially in some parts of the US thanks to the ranting and ravings of politicians. This is amusing in some ways since, much like these same politicians, the MLM Huns could not actually give you the definition of a C corporation or S corporation much less tell you why one is inherently awful (if you told them their same company was also a corporation their heads would probably explode). Also, since many of these MLM’s compete in the “natural” categories against the products of those evil mega-conglomerate corporations of P&G, Colgate-Palmolive, and Unilever that cheat and do things like employ real chemists and test their products and have real FDA approvals it helps them buy the teachings of their corporation…I mean cult…I mean company…I mean “business opportunity” The irony - the corporations they are competing with have some of the best benefits for employees and are female dominated including having female executives so what exactly are they trying to achieve by competing against these companies? There is also a degree of class warfare in this for the MLM Huns as well though. You see, the women getting jobs at places like P&G in marketing or product development went to college and majored in chemistry, business, accounting, finance, comp sci etc, because P&G has very little need for “Social media influencers” as they have entered marketing and advertising teams and product teams so deep down the MLM Huns know they would never be allowed through the door in Cincinnati no matter how much Monay Exxon Valdez Oil they sell - so the MLM Huns have to degrade these 9-5 corporate jobs because they know they could never have one and they are jealous - the way they speak of them tells you none of these Huns has stepped foot inside (or anymore logged in from home) in a corporate office in years if ever. We have yet to hear any of these Huns say “yeah I was a product developer at Unilever but when I saw Monay’s new shampoo I knew I had to quite on the spot because perfection had been achieved”.
Oof. I've never heard of the MLM wages compared to prison wages like that before. Also your stance on empowering women outside of MLMs is a very powerful message. It deserves to be talked about more, I think.
The jump from "It takes a real boss babe to be able to make a life for themselves through sales. And I can tell you'dbe PERFECT at this" and "It's so EASY! Literally ANYONE can be successful!" Okay so what you're saying is I'm NOT actually special🥺😔🤣
Am i totally clueless...? i thought mlm-ers didnt get compensation for posting online. So why do they try to make it seem like when i post about something i like im doing it for free... but so are they aren't they? Am i wrong?? 🤷🏼♀️
You’re 100% correct! People in MLMs don’t get paid to post, they only get paid when someone purchases a product or when they recruit someone. They only post in the HOPES that someone will be convinced and buy something from them.
Ok, I nominate YOU for anti-mlm president! PLEASE get back on that soapbox as soon as you can! This was SUCH a well-reasoned, well-spoken, and well-organized video! There is a high level of quality and professionalism to your videos that is unique and incredibly compelling. YOU are my favorite!!
I'm proud to say that I have been blocked by her page. my facts were interfering with her recruiting and manipulation efforts. Great breakdown....well done on this vid.
@@TedApelt They look very much alike (wonder if they're siblings?) and I can't tell them apart, despite watching most of Hannah's videos at this point 😂
Oh dear god. I just visited this page and they have a post “The network marketing industry isn’t without flaws, but those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Come talk to me when all Americans have paid maternity leave.” I am afraid to scroll further. First of all, MLMs don’t offer maternity or parental leave, second of all they wouldn’t even qualify for FMLA because they’re contractors! I 10000% agree that MLMs are hurting women.
Aren’t they generally encouraged to use childbirth to generate more income for their mlm? As well as celebrating mother’s who work from their hospital beds? But they are pro- maternity leave? “The math ain’t mathing”
People who work at Starbucks and target don't hate on people who work at Dunkin or Walmart nor do they go out of their way to change other people's occupation
Omg. Went to her IG, my favorite comment was, I can work while at the beach, nothing says success like working while on vacay. Like what...i commented that I'm on vacay now, not working and still getting paid.
I follow several anti MLM channels on TH-cam and am new to yours. What impresses me about you is that you have a very genuine compassion for those who work in this industry even though you don't support the business model. I am also very much enjoying seeing your cats 😺
Thank you so much for saying that Lisa. I truly do feel compassion towards people that are in MLMs and I’m happy to hear that comes across in my videos! ❤️
Binging the fails playlist lately. Tonight, we got Chinese takeout. My fortune cookie said "You will soon have the opportunity to improve your finances." Fully expecting a hun to appear out of thin air and pitch me.
I went to college with Colleen (though our paths didn’t cross until post-grad). I loved her blog The Lunchbox Diaries. So relatable and witty. But then she joined Rodan and Fields and the MLM language escalated SO fast. Had to mute 😅
Unfortunately the MLMers seem to be allergic to facts! It's that cult concept of ignoring anything that doesn't line up with what the leaders are spouting. Whatever the leaders say is gospel, and heaven help the downline if they start to question it.
I feel like I heard another creator say that this woman was not particularly successful in her MLM, so she chose to go down this road. I believe she's offers some type of membership/course thingy to "help" other reps. Cats...what are you gonna do? Sweet. Love seeing her/him. Thanks for posting. Good video.
The victim blaming in mlm’s is disgusting. These people, who literally work their butts off 24/7 just to be told they failed because they didn’t work hard enough! Shameful!
Your argument about the MLM industry ceasing to exist if it became male-dominated was spot on! It also occurred to me that so many women are sucked into working for little/no pay because historically they are used to doing a lot of thankless, unpaid work by themselves. Such as raising children, maintaining a household, etc. Not that people SHOULD EVER be handed a paycheck just for taking care of their families, that would be ridiculous. But traditionally, that kind of work always fell to the women while the men went out to earn the money. Women were conditioned to do their work at home while only the men got a paycheck. Even now in two income households, there are still a lot of women that are expected to do a larger share of the housework after they get home than their male partners are. Society has changed and more men are doing their share, but these outdated attitudes still remain, and are ingrained in a lot of women. This sexism has improved but is still deeply rooted in our society. So women are aleady primed to step in and do a lot of work without thinking of expecting payment or even help, which makes it even easier for MLMs to take advantage of them. Especially when they frame it as something women can do to help their families while still being at home with them. "Women's work" was never a paid job in the old days, and MLMs try to shoehorn their "business opportunity" into that old-timey psychology of "women's work" but with the false promise of making some extra money as a bonus. It keeps them in the MLM longer because women are conditioned from childhood to put up with unpaid work longer before they quit or complain. Especially if they are doing it for the sake of their loved ones. Anyway I find this fascinating but also extremely disturbing that the entire MLM industry exists to do this to women, and why I will forever be anti-MLM!
I cannot tell you how much I LOVED this video!! Would love to see you break down more no-shame-sales-game pista or other content that MLMers consume (theres one British dude that identifies himself as, like, a pro; then there are other self-help/self-improvement gurus that MLMers seem to gravitate towards).
Thank you for the clarification on affiliate marketing vs MLM. I got hung up on how to explain it to someone. Your cat is cute, needy like mine is if I am not paying attention to her on her terms.
Meanwhile in Canada we absolutely have multiple Tim Horton’s on the same street, or even directly across. The difference is MLM companies aren’t even in demand enough to warrant one storefront.
Even if it was about the shape, most businesses are an hourglass shape because the CEO has a board of directors that they are responsible for reporting to.
The claims this account makes about corporate jobs is honestly wild and most of them I’ve never experienced as a software engineer or when I was consulting. Makes me laugh so hard when they say “sorry you’re so upset in yo cubicle” like ma’am I’ve never experienced any of those things. Feels like a lot of what they know about Corp jobs is stuff of the early 2000’s. There’s a user with the word lifestyle in their handle that habitually comments on this page too who I think would be an interesting deep dive.
Yes! My corporate job is part time (I was able to make my last job move keeping my salary for four days a week rather than five, which gives me lots of time to be there for kids sports days etc), I work from home as much as I want with flexible remote working and they pay into my pension etc. I feel the world of work post Covid makes their work world view very outdated.
Top notch cat content! .. I've definitely seen these graphics around and see people defend their mlms with these arguments almost word for word. They've been spouting the same few defenses since the dawn of time. 🙄
omg I think this is the 6th anti mlm video uploaded today, what a great Wednesday! I cannot stand Coleen's "logic", will be interesting to see your take on her ridiculous posts. Also, always a good reminder, she's "a failure" at her own MLM
@@HannahAlonzo sad to say that I was in R+F and worked it hot and heavy until I realized how much it sucked. I used to watch Colleen's and other RF "leaders" training videos (which I still have access to because I have been lazy and haven't fully cancelled my account). I guess it's a good thing because I just found your channel and have been watching like crazy. Now I can cross reference some of what you talk about and see how they brainwash people. Many of the people who rose to the top ranks have since left R+F and gone on to other things. Those who are still around and making tons of money are the ones who joined early and built a huge downline. The rest of us don't stand a chance of making money.
When MLMers shame others who work a 9-5 on minimum wage, they should pay attention to the words "making money". What a great opportunity to join a scam where minimum wage workers make waaaay more money than them.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 💯 agree on the free social selling! I would rather be genuine in my suggestions than be paid for it, especially if it’s supporting ACTUAL small businesses!
As far as anti mlm videos go… no offense to all the others, but your commentary and opinions, the quality, the visuals, even the minimalistic editing (not to say you do minimal editing or the editing for you is easy or anything like that just to say the style of it I’m comparing to a house or home that is very classy and minimal that’s what I mean am I making sense lol?), your vocabulary, knowledge, hell even your voice, are the top notch, most professional and legitimate I’ve personally come across. And I watch A LOT. I literally don’t know what you went to school for, or actually if you went at all, but it basically seems like you went to school just to take down MLM‘s lol, because you are so good at this and I actually never even knew I would like this type of set up or format or whatever the word is…but I am seriously digging it. You and your content, that is.
Samantha!! Thank you for such a thoughtful comment! Yes I totally understand what you mean by minimal editing. And I went to school for elementary education 🥰 But very passionate about educating on MLMs too!
1. I've never had an influencer message me to join them and be an influencer under me... 2. I honestly don't trust influencers that much when they recommend a product, not because I don't think they like it, but because there is an ulterior motive. And they have tried limited amount of similar products so "this one is the best" when they don't really know about similar products that aren't being sent to them or paying them to promote. 3. When you work a real job or corporate job when you receive a promotion you don't lose it unless you have had many complaints and aren't completing your job duties not because of not having sold a certain amount or hired a lot of people (because that would cost the company TONS of money to pay so many people a reasonable wage) 4. At a corporate or standard job a promotion and raise don't just benefit you now but in all further pursuits in the future. When you leave and go to another company you get to apply for a similar level position and not start at entry level all over again. You get to have the comparison and negotiation of pay based on what you made at your previous job and experience. 5. Standard/ corporate jobs benefit you in the long run because depending on the company and your position there is a retirement plan where not only do you set up a 401k but the company will match a certain percentage that you put in, so basically a long term bonus...
If the business I work for in the corporate world, for some reason, shuts down or something like that, I can take my experience, knowledge, and achievements to another corporate company and I won’t have to start at the bottom. I’ll be able to start out higher up in the “pyramid” based on the work Ive done and I know I’ll get a steady paycheck with a steady rate. No MLM cares how high you climbed or your achievements in another MLM. You start at the bottom like everyone else making no money. I’ll take a “miserable 9-5” job over a “working 24/7 and still making no money while being told it’s my fault” scam.
Colleen is so delusional...its no wonder all of these boss babes think they're "influencers". She and many of those in MLMs don't know the difference between affiliate marketing and what they do. The irony is that she was not successful with Rodan and Fields, that she has pulled a page from Rachel Hollis and became a "guru". 😂😂😂
Your anti mlm videos are so great! You do a wonderful job. And also I'm so happy to hear you're going to be an elementary teacher! I am in my second year of teaching third grade, and taught 1st a couple years ago. It's such a wonderful job!!!
In a "corporate pyramid" you can also move sideways. Changing the team and activity, but not truly promote. The salary can be similar, can be an increase, but the main difference is that the employee has a different activity, different tasks. For many, this is good. Even if the pay is not loads more, changing the activity is a big plus. In an MLM there is no such thing, you can only go up or down and the activity still is the same.
Your simple explanation of corporations, entry level jobs and pay relating to it made me consider going back to college (and finishing!!) 🤣🤣 no joke. Light bulb moment 💡
Wow, what a great video! Your background in education really comes through in your content. You have become my favorite content creator. Also, "Go Dogs!!!"
Woah how come I just found out about you and your channel. Your voice is… heavenly. So well spoken, no filler words, straight to the point and still entertaining (love the kitties!). I was kind of done with anti mlm videos. My husband kept complaining I listen to the same things over and over again and he’s right, but I’m glad your video was recommended by TH-cam. I love it! Instantly subscribed, keep doing what you do pls
Amazing video, Hannah!!!! I worked for the same company as the woman who owns this account. I think she saw how brainwashed everyone in this industry is and wanted to further monetize on them with her “classes” and NSSG academy or whatever it is. She is smart, IMO, incredibly unethical, but smart!
I’ve also seen some content creators (CC Suarez is who comes to mind) who have loved something and have been using it for a while, and the company notices and reaches out to them to give them an affiliate link. So their subscribers can clearly see that it’s not just a money grab; it’s them making a small commission off of recommending a product that they truly love to other people.
You've been spitting truth the whole video, but at 16:24, I almost audibly cheered lol. PREACH!! I just discovered your channel and all the videos I've watched so far are very informative and I love it
It's my opinion that you can tell when something is a pyramid scheme if it DOESN'T make a pyramid anymore if you were to try and put the customer base into the base of the pyramid: because there are so few actual end user customers they cannot make up the base whereas in a real workplace like a popular grocery store you have like 11000 shoppers A DAY and like 50 employees at that local store so the customers being the base of the pyramid would make a very wide pyramid base and the levels of the pyramid for local workers would have a dramatic slope...
It blows my mind that MLM is in any way legal. EDIT: 2:32 Okay, I'm way more sold than I need to be on this. EDIT2: The saddest part is that critical thinking, or thinking without taking for granted the validity of an idea beyond the original premise in general, is actively discouraged in US culture. Pretty much all of what you said is a given unless you just weren't taught (Or encouraged to question) how things work/don't work/why.
16:59 this is because women are typically socialised that their work is not worth pay. SAHMs, housewives, homemakers, are all doing massive amounts of work for no pay, and are therefore are easily pitched on being volunteer sales people 😔
This stuff is convincing me NOT to purchase MLM products. As much as I like Lime Life makeup, I gotta quite spending $30 for a foundation. Thanks so much!
Maybe talk about how MLMs destroy marriages. I'm a stay at home wife and mother and there's no way my husband would want to support a business that doesn't provide any income and all I do is spend money.
The difference between a corporate pyramid and an MLM pyramid is that the bottom level corporate employees are all making the same wages and they are closer to an actual living wage. They get paid for doing their job. Not for referring others to work with them or below them.
Sometimes a corporation is a pyramid...aaand, sometimes it's a ladder, and sometimes it's a weird distorted tree. Also, the people at the bottom are generally making some kind of living wage, or at least are heavily contributing to it. In an MLM, you will never make a living wage unless you get to the top, which you have a 1% chance of doing. Get paid at the bottom, or hustle and be broke? I'm going for the office job. 🗳️
I HATE when they mention anything about affiliate marketing because they've caused so many to think that legit companies are MLMs. And I don't like that.
I don't get why they always think corporate jobs are only 9-5. My dad is an engineer in corporate setting and can basically go to job anytime in between 5am and 6pm. And why they think everyone is miserable in corporate jobs. Or that everyone works corporate jobs.
If they think that we just post about products and we should be trying to sell those products, what do huns think that we're doing when we post about our loved ones or ourselves?
New sub. LOVE your compassion and kindness to all parties concerned. I Have sold MK for over 20 years. not actively, i have 3 daughters a sister and myself. i only place one or 2 orders per year, get the discount and call it a day. i don't recruit. i love the majority of their products and so do my girls. So i am basically a customer. You explained it very well, that you don't like the structure of these companies. I hear you. at the same time, i have never been told to lie or be pushy or go to meetings etc. My experience is good. I Will mention level thrive and Chris watts case. That is a combination of no money was being made, and fb live in your face all the time, and the ingredients in these products are dangerous. They have been sued and the guy won. Same reason i don't do parties, no one knows how ppls skin will react, i don't want that stress. There is only one MLM that makes money and that is Fantasia. They line up for that stuff. Transparency and informed consent is what your channel promotes with empathy. which is very refreshing.
“Multilevel marketing is an industry that systematically disempowers women while masquerading as female empowerment” 👏🏼👏🏼 perfectly, perfectly put. I appreciate the facts and knowledge you put into your videos and reactions! Also the kitty cameo, yes plz 😍
I have an incredible amount of disdain for the concept that everything you do, everything you say, everything you think, MUST be monetized. Just let people enjoy things. If everyone only likes things they got paid to pretend to like...ugh...
YES! 👏🏼
Right; monetizing everything is very end stage capitalism
Yes my parents turned me away from everything I liked to do cause they were like well that could be your job why don’t you make money I’m like yeah I get that but then I won’t enjoy it anymore if I make it work instead of my escape. Catch 22
Yeah, the whole reason I can enjoy things I'm not getting paid for is because I have a decent paying job- crazy, right? 🤣
Maybe we dont feel the need to get paid for posting about things we like because our actual jobs pay us enough. Just a thought.
or we like something but dont want to be responsible for/blamed when someone buys it and is unsatisfied. advertising something as an individual is a big responsibility
I'm not from the US, but why do these MLM people assume that corporate jobs are the only 9-5 jobs out there? Aside from professions like lawyers, engineers, doctors, etc. there's also people in jobs in fields like academia, research, development consulting, etc. My job is technically a 9-5, but I'm in a research organization and I get paid for reading and writing research work. And while there are issues with wages in almost every sector, not every 9-5 job is a corporate job, and even corporates hire creatives/consultants who have the convenience of working from home. Consultancy is such a huge thing that even UN agencies hire people to work remotely on a project. So what ARE the benefits of an MLM over a corporate if even the remote work thing isn't limited to an MLM?
They just lump us all in one. If we don't do what they do, we don't matter.
Exactly. Why is the MLM main pitch to only people working a 9 to 5 corporate job? I work 2 part time jobs and can essentially work the hours that work best for me because I work in the restaurant scene and EVERYONE needs employees right now. I would NEVER choose (be forced) to be on my phone 24/7 and showing my face all over social media to sell overpriced products. I've been approached a few times to sell shit and I'm like NO I love my job lol I make 30 bucks an hour, get to do my own thing and I love the work I do, and then I get to clock out and do whatever the hell I want afterwards haha
Working a scam is just not for me, sorry. ✌🤣
Stop asking perfectly reasonable questions!
There is also people who actually runs a small business but they just gloss over those people too 😅
The MLM Huns are trying to take advantage of the idea that anything with the word “corporation” attaches to it somehow has a bad connotation towards it - especially in some parts of the US thanks to the ranting and ravings of politicians. This is amusing in some ways since, much like these same politicians, the MLM Huns could not actually give you the definition of a C corporation or S corporation much less tell you why one is inherently awful (if you told them their same company was also a corporation their heads would probably explode). Also, since many of these MLM’s compete in the “natural” categories against the products of those evil mega-conglomerate corporations of P&G, Colgate-Palmolive, and Unilever that cheat and do things like employ real chemists and test their products and have real FDA approvals it helps them buy the teachings of their corporation…I mean cult…I mean company…I mean “business opportunity”
The irony - the corporations they are competing with have some of the best benefits for employees and are female dominated including having female executives so what exactly are they trying to achieve by competing against these companies?
There is also a degree of class warfare in this for the MLM Huns as well though. You see, the women getting jobs at places like P&G in marketing or product development went to college and majored in chemistry, business, accounting, finance, comp sci etc, because P&G has very little need for “Social media influencers” as they have entered marketing and advertising teams and product teams so deep down the MLM Huns know they would never be allowed through the door in Cincinnati no matter how much Monay Exxon Valdez Oil they sell - so the MLM Huns have to degrade these 9-5 corporate jobs because they know they could never have one and they are jealous - the way they speak of them tells you none of these Huns has stepped foot inside (or anymore logged in from home) in a corporate office in years if ever. We have yet to hear any of these Huns say “yeah I was a product developer at Unilever but when I saw Monay’s new shampoo I knew I had to quite on the spot because perfection had been achieved”.
Oof. I've never heard of the MLM wages compared to prison wages like that before. Also your stance on empowering women outside of MLMs is a very powerful message. It deserves to be talked about more, I think.
Thank you Kayla! I heard Roberta Blevins talk about the prison wages on her podcast Life After MLM and it absolutely floored me.
@@HannahAlonzo She is such an icon 😄💖 I love Roberta Blevins.
Me too! I want to be friends with her so bad 😂
Right?? Hannah really got emotional there. Definitely not the behavior of a “hater”.
@@HannahAlonzo Was she on the LulaRich documentary? If so, I loved her too!
I love how your cats make those trilling/purring noises just out of sight of the camera. It sounds like they're saying "mama". So sweet!
The jump from "It takes a real boss babe to be able to make a life for themselves through sales. And I can tell you'dbe PERFECT at this" and "It's so EASY! Literally ANYONE can be successful!"
Okay so what you're saying is I'm NOT actually special🥺😔🤣
Yes exactly 😂 such a contradiction
Am i totally clueless...? i thought mlm-ers didnt get compensation for posting online. So why do they try to make it seem like when i post about something i like im doing it for free... but so are they aren't they? Am i wrong?? 🤷🏼♀️
You’re 100% correct! People in MLMs don’t get paid to post, they only get paid when someone purchases a product or when they recruit someone.
They only post in the HOPES that someone will be convinced and buy something from them.
Ok, I nominate YOU for anti-mlm president! PLEASE get back on that soapbox as soon as you can! This was SUCH a well-reasoned, well-spoken, and well-organized video! There is a high level of quality and professionalism to your videos that is unique and incredibly compelling. YOU are my favorite!!
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MALLORY!! You made my whole night, thank you for such kind feedback!! ❤️
Agreed!!
💯 agree!👏👏👏
I agree 100%!!!
I'm proud to say that I have been blocked by her page. my facts were interfering with her recruiting and manipulation efforts. Great breakdown....well done on this vid.
Ah yes, blocking does seem to be her favorite way to combat anti-MLMers I’ve heard 😂
I dont think she realizes that her blocking anti-MLMers doesn’t stop people from seeing anti-MLM posts by the people only she blocked…
Wear this like a badge of Honor because it is! 🎉☺️
I am loving that your kitties are becoming your co-hosts! 😍
Thank you! They really just waltz in and out like they own the place 😂
@@HannahAlonzo They DO own the place! Duh! Never get cats if you don't expect them to rule- that's their job! (PS- love all of the kitty cameos, too!)
I also love the cats, but unless they look a lot alike, I have only seen Zeke.
@@TedApelt They look very much alike (wonder if they're siblings?) and I can't tell them apart, despite watching most of Hannah's videos at this point 😂
Oh dear god. I just visited this page and they have a post “The network marketing industry isn’t without flaws, but those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Come talk to me when all Americans have paid maternity leave.” I am afraid to scroll further.
First of all, MLMs don’t offer maternity or parental leave, second of all they wouldn’t even qualify for FMLA because they’re contractors! I 10000% agree that MLMs are hurting women.
Oh boy... yeah that account is full of gems!
Aren’t they generally encouraged to use childbirth to generate more income for their mlm? As well as celebrating mother’s who work from their hospital beds? But they are pro- maternity leave? “The math ain’t mathing”
what a strawman, also. I hate the people who think being anti-x means being pro-y.
This also doesn't explain why MLM companies operate in countries like Canada where they have excellent paid parental leave!
People who work at Starbucks and target don't hate on people who work at Dunkin or Walmart nor do they go out of their way to change other people's occupation
Omg. Went to her IG, my favorite comment was, I can work while at the beach, nothing says success like working while on vacay. Like what...i commented that I'm on vacay now, not working and still getting paid.
I follow several anti MLM channels on TH-cam and am new to yours. What impresses me about you is that you have a very genuine compassion for those who work in this industry even though you don't support the business model.
I am also very much enjoying seeing your cats 😺
Thank you so much for saying that Lisa. I truly do feel compassion towards people that are in MLMs and I’m happy to hear that comes across in my videos! ❤️
OMG PREACH!!!!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 your synopsis of the mlm market saying a male-dominated mlm industry would cease to exist.. just YES. ALL. OF. IT.!!!
Definitely VERY passionate about this topic 😂❤️
Binging the fails playlist lately. Tonight, we got Chinese takeout. My fortune cookie said "You will soon have the opportunity to improve your finances." Fully expecting a hun to appear out of thin air and pitch me.
I went to college with Colleen (though our paths didn’t cross until post-grad). I loved her blog The Lunchbox Diaries. So relatable and witty. But then she joined Rodan and Fields and the MLM language escalated SO fast. Had to mute 😅
I love that you continue to flow even with a cat pooper in your face. 🤣 That’s talent!
The show must go on! I edit with him in my face like that too 😂
Thank you for covering this page!!
Good for you for stating facts! Unfortunately that won’t be tolerated on her page 😂
Unfortunately the MLMers seem to be allergic to facts! It's that cult concept of ignoring anything that doesn't line up with what the leaders are spouting. Whatever the leaders say is gospel, and heaven help the downline if they start to question it.
I feel like I heard another creator say that this woman was not particularly successful in her MLM, so she chose to go down this road. I believe she's offers some type of membership/course thingy to "help" other reps.
Cats...what are you gonna do? Sweet. Love seeing her/him. Thanks for posting. Good video.
This is 100% true. I didn’t mention it in the video but yes, she’s going down the “MLM guru” road now.
The victim blaming in mlm’s is disgusting. These people, who literally work their butts off 24/7 just to be told they failed because they didn’t work hard enough! Shameful!
Your argument about the MLM industry ceasing to exist if it became male-dominated was spot on! It also occurred to me that so many women are sucked into working for little/no pay because historically they are used to doing a lot of thankless, unpaid work by themselves. Such as raising children, maintaining a household, etc. Not that people SHOULD EVER be handed a paycheck just for taking care of their families, that would be ridiculous. But traditionally, that kind of work always fell to the women while the men went out to earn the money. Women were conditioned to do their work at home while only the men got a paycheck.
Even now in two income households, there are still a lot of women that are expected to do a larger share of the housework after they get home than their male partners are. Society has changed and more men are doing their share, but these outdated attitudes still remain, and are ingrained in a lot of women. This sexism has improved but is still deeply rooted in our society. So women are aleady primed to step in and do a lot of work without thinking of expecting payment or even help, which makes it even easier for MLMs to take advantage of them. Especially when they frame it as something women can do to help their families while still being at home with them.
"Women's work" was never a paid job in the old days, and MLMs try to shoehorn their "business opportunity" into that old-timey psychology of "women's work" but with the false promise of making some extra money as a bonus. It keeps them in the MLM longer because women are conditioned from childhood to put up with unpaid work longer before they quit or complain. Especially if they are doing it for the sake of their loved ones. Anyway I find this fascinating but also extremely disturbing that the entire MLM industry exists to do this to women, and why I will forever be anti-MLM!
I really am deep into this anti-MLM rabbit hole. I also notice how many of y'all have cats too 🤣
Hahahahaa yes! I love it too.
I cannot tell you how much I LOVED this video!! Would love to see you break down more no-shame-sales-game pista or other content that MLMers consume (theres one British dude that identifies himself as, like, a pro; then there are other self-help/self-improvement gurus that MLMers seem to gravitate towards).
There is an pro-MLM account that literally called anti-MLMers the hard R word and cult members. Personally, I think they make the top spot.
I know EXACTLY who you’re talking about and I 100% agree 😂
Thank you for the clarification on affiliate marketing vs MLM. I got hung up on how to explain it to someone. Your cat is cute, needy like mine is if I am not paying attention to her on her terms.
These mlms sound like an abusive relationship isolation, victim blaming, gaslighting, manipulating, etc. Yikes I never made that connection til now
Meanwhile in Canada we absolutely have multiple Tim Horton’s on the same street, or even directly across. The difference is MLM companies aren’t even in demand enough to warrant one storefront.
By far my most fave video of yours- that description you’re heated and get up on your soapbox -GOLD!
Even if it was about the shape, most businesses are an hourglass shape because the CEO has a board of directors that they are responsible for reporting to.
The claims this account makes about corporate jobs is honestly wild and most of them I’ve never experienced as a software engineer or when I was consulting. Makes me laugh so hard when they say “sorry you’re so upset in yo cubicle” like ma’am I’ve never experienced any of those things. Feels like a lot of what they know about Corp jobs is stuff of the early 2000’s. There’s a user with the word lifestyle in their handle that habitually comments on this page too who I think would be an interesting deep dive.
I know exactly who you're talking about!
It’s definitely been interesting to watch them make income claims and fight with people in the comments of these posts!
Yes! My corporate job is part time (I was able to make my last job move keeping my salary for four days a week rather than five, which gives me lots of time to be there for kids sports days etc), I work from home as much as I want with flexible remote working and they pay into my pension etc. I feel the world of work post Covid makes their work world view very outdated.
This is a vid to save and share in case my sisters ever fall into one of these again (they both briefly tried Amway)... The message is so important...
Top notch cat content! .. I've definitely seen these graphics around and see people defend their mlms with these arguments almost word for word. They've been spouting the same few defenses since the dawn of time. 🙄
YES! Thank you for getting on your soap box on the last post. Let’s not pretend that women are all peaches and sunshine. Women can be toxic too!
Great job taking the dumpster fire that is that Instagram page and coherently dismantling it.
THANK YOU! 🙌🏼
This video is PHENOMENAL🙌🏼🙌🏼 entertaining, informative, quick to the point, aaaand with kitties?!? Girl I had so much fun watching this, thank you!
This comment made me smile so big!! Thank YOU for your support! 🥰
omg I think this is the 6th anti mlm video uploaded today, what a great Wednesday! I cannot stand Coleen's "logic", will be interesting to see your take on her ridiculous posts. Also, always a good reminder, she's "a failure" at her own MLM
Yes so true 😂 someone not doing well in an MLM creating an account and selling courses about how to be successful in an MLM. Makes sense.
@@HannahAlonzo sad to say that I was in R+F and worked it hot and heavy until I realized how much it sucked. I used to watch Colleen's and other RF "leaders" training videos (which I still have access to because I have been lazy and haven't fully cancelled my account). I guess it's a good thing because I just found your channel and have been watching like crazy. Now I can cross reference some of what you talk about and see how they brainwash people. Many of the people who rose to the top ranks have since left R+F and gone on to other things. Those who are still around and making tons of money are the ones who joined early and built a huge downline. The rest of us don't stand a chance of making money.
PREACH!!!!!!! You said that better than anyone I've ever watched!!!! We just want these women to see their worth!!
When MLMers shame others who work a 9-5 on minimum wage, they should pay attention to the words "making money". What a great opportunity to join a scam where minimum wage workers make waaaay more money than them.
Oh my, I have been commenting for a couple of days on that account like a mad woman. Crazy you made a video about it!
Someone else said this too! This account was getting on my last nerves 😂
Just started the vid but already I love it and want to applaud you for doing new and innovative content in the Anti MLM space!
Thank you Alyzabeth! ❤️
I love how you explain everything and debunk all the huns trying to justify their cult .
Regarding that last one, did they not watch Lularich?! How can you look at that man and see anything other than chauvinism?! Ugh!
Oh my gosh. BRAVO!!!!!!! All of it; but ESPECIALLY the last part about less than prison wages!
Thank you!!
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💯 agree on the free social selling! I would rather be genuine in my suggestions than be paid for it, especially if it’s supporting ACTUAL small businesses!
As far as anti mlm videos go… no offense to all the others, but your commentary and opinions, the quality, the visuals, even the minimalistic editing (not to say you do minimal editing or the editing for you is easy or anything like that just to say the style of it I’m comparing to a house or home that is very classy and minimal that’s what I mean am I making sense lol?), your vocabulary, knowledge, hell even your voice, are the top notch, most professional and legitimate I’ve personally come across. And I watch A LOT. I literally don’t know what you went to school for, or actually if you went at all, but it basically seems like you went to school just to take down MLM‘s lol, because you are so good at this and I actually never even knew I would like this type of set up or format or whatever the word is…but I am seriously digging it. You and your content, that is.
Samantha!! Thank you for such a thoughtful comment! Yes I totally understand what you mean by minimal editing. And I went to school for elementary education 🥰 But very passionate about educating on MLMs too!
This was a great summary of MLM lies and deception
Thank you Carolina!
I feel that if this exact video was shown to victimized women in mlm’s and they listened, they’d have no choice but to leave.
The sudden appearance of your cat literally made the whole video for me!
I filmed 3 videos yesterday and I’m pretty sure Cooper has a pop-in, pop-out appearance in all of them 😂
@@HannahAlonzo meanwhile Zeke is probably off causing chaos 😂
He was 😂
1. I've never had an influencer message me to join them and be an influencer under me...
2. I honestly don't trust influencers that much when they recommend a product, not because I don't think they like it, but because there is an ulterior motive. And they have tried limited amount of similar products so "this one is the best" when they don't really know about similar products that aren't being sent to them or paying them to promote.
3. When you work a real job or corporate job when you receive a promotion you don't lose it unless you have had many complaints and aren't completing your job duties not because of not having sold a certain amount or hired a lot of people (because that would cost the company TONS of money to pay so many people a reasonable wage)
4. At a corporate or standard job a promotion and raise don't just benefit you now but in all further pursuits in the future. When you leave and go to another company you get to apply for a similar level position and not start at entry level all over again. You get to have the comparison and negotiation of pay based on what you made at your previous job and experience.
5. Standard/ corporate jobs benefit you in the long run because depending on the company and your position there is a retirement plan where not only do you set up a 401k but the company will match a certain percentage that you put in, so basically a long term bonus...
Such good points Sarah!! 👏🏼👏🏼
If the business I work for in the corporate world, for some reason, shuts down or something like that, I can take my experience, knowledge, and achievements to another corporate company and I won’t have to start at the bottom. I’ll be able to start out higher up in the “pyramid” based on the work Ive done and I know I’ll get a steady paycheck with a steady rate. No MLM cares how high you climbed or your achievements in another MLM. You start at the bottom like everyone else making no money. I’ll take a “miserable 9-5” job over a “working 24/7 and still making no money while being told it’s my fault” scam.
You are such a natural teacher!! Love the way you do these videos🥰
Colleen is so delusional...its no wonder all of these boss babes think they're "influencers". She and many of those in MLMs don't know the difference between affiliate marketing and what they do. The irony is that she was not successful with Rodan and Fields, that she has pulled a page from Rachel Hollis and became a "guru". 😂😂😂
Ummmm how am I just finding your channel?! I love you!!!
Jessica!! I love your videos! Fellow military spouse here 🥰
Your kitty demanding attention is the star of this video 😂. The content in the video is great but the kitty is for sure your co-host here lol.
I HATED my first Herbalife shake, but sold it anyway😬 it was gross but ThE pRoDuCt SeLlS iTsElF
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What if instead of calling them pyramid schemes we say recruitment scams? That way the “corporate is a pyramid scheme too” argument isn’t valid.
I absolutely love this.
Amazing commentary, prison wages vs mlm wages blew my mind 👍
I was lurking that IG yesterday and made a few comments on some of the pictures!! Too funny that you made a vid over it 🤣
They just post the most RIDICULOUS stuff. It was bought to happen eventually 😂
you really said it all girl, loved this video (cats a great bonus)
Thank you! This definitely felt like a well-rounded video of everything I hate about MLMs 😅
You nailed it,the lies and deception of MLM is prevalent.
I clicked SO FAST!
I hope you’re doing well and give those kitties all the pets for me 🤍
Aw thank you Dila! Doing super well! 🥰
Your anti mlm videos are so great! You do a wonderful job. And also I'm so happy to hear you're going to be an elementary teacher! I am in my second year of teaching third grade, and taught 1st a couple years ago. It's such a wonderful job!!!
Aw thank you so much Ashley!! 🥰
Incredible and powerful video. I loved it. You really got across why anti-mlm is so important
In a "corporate pyramid" you can also move sideways. Changing the team and activity, but not truly promote. The salary can be similar, can be an increase, but the main difference is that the employee has a different activity, different tasks. For many, this is good. Even if the pay is not loads more, changing the activity is a big plus. In an MLM there is no such thing, you can only go up or down and the activity still is the same.
Your simple explanation of corporations, entry level jobs and pay relating to it made me consider going back to college (and finishing!!) 🤣🤣 no joke. Light bulb moment 💡
I love that!!
The people at the bottom of the corporate ladder still get a steady paycheck.
The bottom level of an mlm is LOSING money consistently.
I’ve been waiting for someone to make this exact video!! So well done!!!!! Thank you. 💕
Thanks for watching Lane!! ❤️
Wow, what a great video!
Your background in education really comes through in your content.
You have become my favorite content creator.
Also, "Go Dogs!!!"
Thank you so much!!
Woah how come I just found out about you and your channel. Your voice is… heavenly. So well spoken, no filler words, straight to the point and still entertaining (love the kitties!). I was kind of done with anti mlm videos. My husband kept complaining I listen to the same things over and over again and he’s right, but I’m glad your video was recommended by TH-cam. I love it! Instantly subscribed, keep doing what you do pls
Amazing video, Hannah!!!! I worked for the same company as the woman who owns this account. I think she saw how brainwashed everyone in this industry is and wanted to further monetize on them with her “classes” and NSSG academy or whatever it is. She is smart, IMO, incredibly unethical, but smart!
Oh yes, she 100% knows what she’s doing!!!
I’ve also seen some content creators (CC Suarez is who comes to mind) who have loved something and have been using it for a while, and the company notices and reaches out to them to give them an affiliate link. So their subscribers can clearly see that it’s not just a money grab; it’s them making a small commission off of recommending a product that they truly love to other people.
Yes absolutely!
You've been spitting truth the whole video, but at 16:24, I almost audibly cheered lol. PREACH!! I just discovered your channel and all the videos I've watched so far are very informative and I love it
Sara!! I love this, thank you for your support!! 🥰
Ugh me again... the one trying to get out. I am so mad at myself because I literally unfilled her and then your video popped up 🤢🤮
Education = empowerment and you provide EDUCATION on what is actually happening
Great video Hannah! Thanks for the effort you put into it!
Thanks for watching! 🥰
Yikes, I feel emotional with you towards the end of this video. Thank you for creating this content!
Love seeing the notification that you have a new video up!
Yay!! 🥰
11:00 the cat jump scare 😂
Ow! That is a scary thought about MLM wages being lower than prison wages.
It's my opinion that you can tell when something is a pyramid scheme if it DOESN'T make a pyramid anymore if you were to try and put the customer base into the base of the pyramid: because there are so few actual end user customers they cannot make up the base whereas in a real workplace like a popular grocery store you have like 11000 shoppers A DAY and like 50 employees at that local store so the customers being the base of the pyramid would make a very wide pyramid base and the levels of the pyramid for local workers would have a dramatic slope...
Such a wonderful point!
Your description of the pyramid shape of a grocery store made me think of the Bent Pyramid in Egypt.
YES SISTER! I'm here for your soapbox speech!!!
It blows my mind that MLM is in any way legal.
EDIT: 2:32 Okay, I'm way more sold than I need to be on this.
EDIT2: The saddest part is that critical thinking, or thinking without taking for granted the validity of an idea beyond the original premise in general, is actively discouraged in US culture. Pretty much all of what you said is a given unless you just weren't taught (Or encouraged to question) how things work/don't work/why.
16:59 this is because women are typically socialised that their work is not worth pay. SAHMs, housewives, homemakers, are all doing massive amounts of work for no pay, and are therefore are easily pitched on being volunteer sales people 😔
The key word isn't "pyramid". It's "scheme".
Love this episode. If you only watch one anti MLM video, watch this one!
This stuff is convincing me NOT to purchase MLM products. As much as I like Lime Life makeup, I gotta quite spending $30 for a foundation. Thanks so much!
I love ❤ how Zeek is walking so casually in front of the camera!! 🎥 I’m a huge fan!! 😂
Maybe talk about how MLMs destroy marriages. I'm a stay at home wife and mother and there's no way my husband would want to support a business that doesn't provide any income and all I do is spend money.
The difference between a corporate pyramid and an MLM pyramid is that the bottom level corporate employees are all making the same wages and they are closer to an actual living wage. They get paid for doing their job. Not for referring others to work with them or below them.
Sometimes a corporation is a pyramid...aaand, sometimes it's a ladder, and sometimes it's a weird distorted tree.
Also, the people at the bottom are generally making some kind of living wage, or at least are heavily contributing to it. In an MLM, you will never make a living wage unless you get to the top, which you have a 1% chance of doing.
Get paid at the bottom, or hustle and be broke? I'm going for the office job. 🗳️
I HATE when they mention anything about affiliate marketing because they've caused so many to think that legit companies are MLMs. And I don't like that.
Off topic, but what mascara do you use? Your lashes look fantastic!
You’re too sweet! That’s because I wear fake lashes 😂 Ardell “naked lashes” in number 424!
@@HannahAlonzo thanks!
I don't get why they always think corporate jobs are only 9-5. My dad is an engineer in corporate setting and can basically go to job anytime in between 5am and 6pm.
And why they think everyone is miserable in corporate jobs. Or that everyone works corporate jobs.
If they think that we just post about products and we should be trying to sell those products, what do huns think that we're doing when we post about our loved ones or ourselves?
New sub. LOVE your compassion and kindness to all parties concerned. I Have sold MK for over 20 years. not actively, i have 3 daughters a sister and myself. i only place one or 2 orders per year, get the discount and call it a day. i don't recruit. i love the majority of their products and so do my girls. So i am basically a customer. You explained it very well, that you don't like the structure of these companies. I hear you. at the same time, i have never been told to lie or be pushy or go to meetings etc. My experience is good. I Will mention level thrive and Chris watts case. That is a combination of no money was being made, and fb live in your face all the time, and the ingredients in these products are dangerous. They have been sued and the guy won. Same reason i don't do parties, no one knows how ppls skin will react, i don't want that stress. There is only one MLM that makes money and that is Fantasia. They line up for that stuff. Transparency and informed consent is what your channel promotes with empathy. which is very refreshing.
I hope this channel blows up, we should all comment every video and massage the algorithm.
I recommend the book Cultish by Amanda Montell. She has a whole chapter about MLMs, and has a few things to say about the term "brainwashing".
Yeeesss!!! I think that this has been one of your best videos so far. Loved everything about it🎥👏🏻💕
Thank you! This was one of my favorites as well! ❤️