I felt the same way about the mlm-er who claimed to that people inbox for the tell her how skinny and beautiful she was but they didn't mean it as a compliment.
Mean girls in high school with perfect bodies standing in front of the change room mirror after gym class (in their skivvies) asking their friends: “Do you think my boobs are too big? I’m soooo self conscious!” Riiiiight….
They need intercessory prayer and I'm not even joking. The MLM industry is built on spiritual and financial BONDAGE. Pray for the victims of this demonic mind control.
It really creeps me out how emotional this business is. Draymus posted on her stories the other day CRYING after a team call. YOU SELL SHAMPOO. 😑 it’s not that serious wtf
"How are you supposed to save for your kids college fund?" Umm... You're the one knocking 9-5 and college degrees. Why bring up a college fund if you think college is a scam?
Now now, don't use logic on them, it'll blow her poor little brains inside out. She'll need to snort three lines of lemon-cinnamon-extract-codeine-essential oils just to regain the ability to see again!
Right? Also, scholarships exist. Plenty of parents send their kids to college without a college fund. My husband got his degree just with scholarships and a small student loan. You don't need rich parents to get an education.
@HolldollMcG Also FAFSA. And grants. And money from loved ones, if they're able to help. Also also, you start saving for a kids college fund when they're young. You don't drop thousands of dollars into a piggy bank, you start setting aside...preferably before they're even born, to get the most out of it. And college fund accounts I believe accumulate interest too. So it's not even a matter of being rich, it's a matter of if your parents thought of it.
I worked for a fairly large trucking company. I met the actual owner/president of the company. Twice. I didn't cry in awe or joy. I offered him a beer and directed him to the crawfish platters. Then I watched him get smashed and do the Electric Slide and Cupid Shuffle. It was like...he was just a guy. And he actually did start his own business. He was/is a successful entrepreneur. All that to say: I can't imagine crying in joy or awe over meeting someone high up in an MLM.
When I worked at a restaurant in high school I was able to meet all 3 owners throughout the 3 yrs I worked there. One of the owners who showed up frequently joined the groupchat and worked with us once a week. He also let me interview him for my senior project. Working with him and the environment that we had there is what I miss the most about the job. He is an awesome owner overall doing his best to make the business run.
I'm Swedish, and years ago my aunt for whatever reason met Ingvar Kamprad through work. You know, the founder of IKEA. Kind of a big deal. She most certainly did not cry in awe or joy either, and that's a SIGNIFICANTLY more "famous" business person than this random MLM chick
I am a CPA. I have been in hundreds of business meetings and phone calls, etc. I have never once heard a serious business person drop the F-bomb over and over in a meeting. It's so cringe! She's so unprofessional!!!
Dre saying people cry because they're so excited to meet her... my first thought was... tell me you're a narcissist without telling me you're a narcissist 😏😯
Well, maybe people are crying when they meet her, but I guess it wouldn´t be from excitement of seeing her. More like the opposite - they are crying because they know what´s coming and they can´t escape it. 😀
My sister is a lawyer. I have zero interest in that and do not envy her life in any way. However, the fact that her life experiences differ so greatly from mine, is exactly why I ask her for advice or for her opinion on certain things. There are so many people that are successful and that I would listen to, and yet I would never want their life. Who came up with this "if you wouldn't trade lives with them don't listen to them" thing, its so ridiculous and disrespectful.
If we took that advice then once you climb out of poverty you shouldn’t listen to ppl still in it. 🤨🤔 we should try to apply this “logic” to tons of things lol it fails every time
It is also incredibly disrespectful to people who are neurodivergent or disabled. As a blind and bipolar person, most people that I know wouldn’t want to trade places with me. But I am also a successful person who graduated college, has met her career goals, and I am both happy and empathetic. Lots of people respect my advice/opinion/input-but wouldn’t want to have lived my experiences ( and I am okay with that).How dare she invalidate that?
Same with, say, an unhoused person. I don't want to be unhoused, I don't want to trade places with an unhoused person, but they are still people with experience and wisdom to share across a wide variety of topics (and should especially be centered/consulted on issues relating to the unhoused population)
Whenever I see a video of someone (that they recorded on their phone) ranting about something while driving, I just assume they're wrong about whatever they're ranting about.
"it's crazy that we normalize a dollar raise" That's literally over $2k per year, but they can't make two thousand dollars sound bad so they belittle it as "just a dollar"
She also said you can’t get ahead on $20 an hour…excuse me? My husband supports our family of 5 and we just bought a house on $20 an hour and are building a nest egg for our kids. Of course that doesn’t apply to every state or area, but girl is just spouting nonsense either way.
No, she’s right about that. A dollar raise every year is nothing. Then again, she isn’t making shit with her MLM, but a dollar per raise is insulting and doesn’t even keep up with the rate of inflation.
I love how she said ‘people who are happy in what they are doing don’t need to justify or put others down’ when the huns spend a large amount of their time bagging out other jobs, people with different opinions and trying to prove that what they do isn’t a scam .
@@IiI_Gogeta_IiI Right?! ‘Do what you want to do but also don’t do any hobbies or have any free time or go to family events because you should always be working this business if you want it to work’ 🤦🏻♀️
"If you don't want to trade places with them, their opinion doesn't matter" is the stupidest thing I have heard today. I wouldn't want to trade places with any of my close friends, yet their opinion does matter to me, otherwise we wouldn't be friends. These MLM huns just don't make any sense.
Straight up-it is also such an ableist viewpoint as well. Lots of people I know wouldn’t want to trade places with me as I am legally blind and am also bipolar. But I am also a DAMN strong person who graduated from college while blind and before learning Braille, was able to get transplants, earned my teaching credential, take good care of my eyes and learned how to use my white cane when traveling without contacts, make sure I take my medication and attend therapy for my bipolar. I am a high school English teacher and I feel like my advice/opinion matters to a ton of people who love and respect me-but wouldn’t want to switch places with me. How dare she invalidate people in this way?
Some of the world most loved and influential people lived lives where no-one would trade places with her millions would love to know they think they good people. I mean would you really want to live the life of Mandela or Ghandi?
My closest friends include: military wife, friend planning to move to LA to pursue filmmaking, outdoor recreation student, nanny. If I wanted their lives , I would be doing what they were doing instead of studying nursing! This seems like just another method of separating reps from their outside relationships
I find it hilarious that they can say I work my business and then in the same breath say they have worked their way up in their company. How? You either have a business or you work for a company. Can’t do both!
Huns keep saying that we are haters, but the moment they leave an MLM, we’re caring and welcoming while all the other huns in their former MLM shun them and behave like haters.
You know... for a bunch of people who claim that they don't care what people think, they sure spend a lot of time talking about not caring what people think...
What I don’t get is when they say “I don’t know why every one doesn’t do this?” Ummm who gonna make your food, who gonna be at the gas station cashing you out, who gonna be the pilot on your plane? Like seriously our society would crumble if we all joined do you not get that ???
Exactly. If we all sold shampoo, we'd be screwed. And if everything was sold by the MLM business bottle, it would be exhausting to find anything. Instead of buying things at a store that sells lots of items, we'd have to search for individual items from individual people. In which case...maybe Amway would be the best MLM cuz they have lots of products. Ha ha!
I had a friend who was killed because somebody hit her with their car while texting. It was so gut wrenching, because she was 20 and had barely had a chance to live. It makes me really sad to see people use their phones while driving. I know it's not the point of your video, but it just reminded me of how frustrating it is to see.
She’s describing confirmation bias. She’s ignoring all of the criticism and only latching onto any positivity that she gets. That’s a really dangerous position to take
Random aside, but I'm really glad you bring up how dangerous it is for the huns (or anyone, really) to be filming/recording/posting on their phones while driving. Growing up in LA, I'd see plenty of that and worse (still see plenty of it) and it legit makes me so angry and scared. I knew a kid who literally DIED right up the street from where I lived because the driver who hit him was texting (he was on his bike). The memorial where he died is still there. This was all just before my senior year of hs (he would've been a junior). He died and I KNOW the woman who hit him felt truly horrible (she tried to talk to guy's family and friends and tried to apologize... I'm sure you can imagine it didn't go well). Not only are you putting your life and others lives at risk if your rambling about your MLM on social media, but if, God forbid you DO hit and injure/cost someone their life, you'll carry that weight. And I don't think your shampoo or make up or whatever is going to assuage thar guilt. Put the phone down.
The Valentus part was so interesting, I am from the UK, and live in the same area as the top leader you showed. Everything she is saying is so manipulative; the reason she wasn’t pushing the products from her MLM is because half of the supplements they sell or try and sell are illegal to sell in the UK. So they rely on recruitment, hence why she was pushing it. You need to do a Valentus deep drive for sure!
Something I think that is also really telling is when the first chick says that she feels “powerful” when people tell her how she’s impacted their life🚩🚩🚩 I feel like if you were truly at whatever job it is you’re doing to change lives, you wouldn’t use the word powerful in relation to the way people make you feel, you would use terms like “comforting” “inspiring” “motivating.” People crying over your place in their life shouldn’t make you feel “powerful.” That’s concerning af.
I’m currently traveling and feeling really homesick, but watching you makes me feel like I’m home because my routine is sitting down to watch you after work while eating buttered pasta at my kitchen counter. 😂 Thank you bunches for this!
The funny thing about these ranks like Executive Director or VP is that in a real job, if you’re a VP, you keep that title until you change jobs or leave the company. Your title won’t change because you had a bad month.
Never apologize for recurring Hun characters...the ones who post most are usually the worst of them (aka higher in the pyramid) and I surely never tire of hearing them being called out for their behavior which _clearly_ no one in their irl has done in a *long* time. Also it hopefully makes someone who is in their thrall break away after hearing their words out of the draconian echo chamber they create.
The way MLMs work, huns tend to become increasingly isolated from those who are in the BUsiNeS so most definitely, they don't get call out on their behavior in real life. And this is deliberate and uplines tell their "teams" to cut "negative" people out of their life. The results are often absolute disaster, with marriages falling apart and all.
I was thinking, Can you work your MLM from the hospital after you get in a bad wreck because you’re not watching the road? What about jail because you killed someone?
No matter how high you climb in your MLM it’s still not your business. You can lose it all without warning if the company is shut down or if it chooses to change its structure
I know I'm a little late to the party, but as a childhood trauma survivor, I fully agree with what you say about using trauma stories to manipulate people. You're not invalidating anyone's experience - you're pointing out that they're being toxic. I was emotionally abused by my parent, who also had a crappy childhood of their own, and they LOVE throwing pity parties for themselves about it. Do I have empathy for their pain? Yes. But that doesn't make the abuse THEY perpetrate better. In fact, it almost makes it worse - they know how bad it can be, but instead of doing work to heal, they passed the pain down to the next generation. Same thing with the MLM hon. She's meeting manipulated (and maybe retraumatized) by the company, which sucks, but she's trying to do the same thing to others, which is FAR from okay. Your channel is awesome
How is this first broad not being charged for distracted driving?! She's literally posting videos of her actively breaking the law, how is she still driving?! Also, this "omg I'm soooo busy" mentality reminds me of a man I used to work with. I owned an actual business, I just graduated college to start my actual grooming business run by me, and oh my lanta remember him going on and on with all his "mentor's" business advice. You should undercut your competitors! When someone calls you, make sure you sound super busy and rustle papers around so they get the impression that you're super busy. And always make it out like you can do them a favor and squeeze them in. And guess who's business lasted and which didn't 😂
If you sound too busy for me I'll go find someone with time for me. I value being able to take my time and be personable with people providing me services, if someone seems busy I know I can find someone who isn't. My favourite restaurant has poor food and prices, but the staff is quick and beyond friendly. There is a cheaper bar with almost the exact same menu except a GRILLED CHEESE MADE OF TWO PIZZA SLICES AND MY FAVOURITE SOUP. But I'll never go because at my favourite place I can sit and chat and get quick service. I will pay more for a worse product if I don't feel like a burden.
Did she really just say that the opinions of people you wouldn't trade places with are not valid? So people with less money/looks/status can not contribute any insight to this woman??? That is honestly one of the shittiest things I've ever heard.
Yes yes yes! Idk how many times I've witness a mom look up from her phone after watching she scrolled for 10 min at a play ground just to "act cool" yet have the most frantic eyes when they couldnt spot their kid ..luckily for them there's super anxious moms like me who look out for everyone and all the kids and I kept an eye out for them for her because I knew she wouldn't notice if they were abducted! Same thing at the lake...I was swimming WITH my kids to make sure they were safe meanwhile a 3 year old ran in, without a life jacket and her mom didnt notice because she was too busy scrolling and texting. By the time the girl was neck deep and I realized she cant swim + no one even noticed (it took all but 10 seconds) I had my 3 girls in their life jackets hold onto a swimming noodle that I was dragging with me as I swooped that poor child out of the water with my other hand. Put away your phones if you're with your children please!
Things like ubiquitous debt, unliveable wages, etc, are systemic issues. Obviously, everyone has to figure out individually how they're going to navigate it, but the broader solutions we need to focus on are going to require public policy changes.... not joining a pyramid scheme
I think it’s pretty telling that even that Huns own father said she should be GRATEFUL for her success, not PROUD. If she had actually built her own business and was earning her money legitimately she would have accomplished something to be proud of. Instead she really should be grateful she got in when she did
Her saying "just start" reminds me of a Mary Kay consultant telling me "don't think just do" . After I told her that it needed some time to think about Joining.... lol
Dray is someone who's having a hard time with her gross behavior called out so she's definitely having to up her game (by game i mean yelling and screaming and swearing at her "team" and potentials) - i get mean girl vibes from her because she and a few ladies on her team did a live one night and made fun of someone who shared her story about how she lost 5k while in an MLM - it was horrific - so now she's attempting to gain back her image - she got super upset and angry because Isabella Lanter, CC Suarez and Deanna Mimms called her gross behavior out and now she's on the watch list like boss lee- Dray is similar to boss lee in thinking she's a celebrity and is the greatest of all time - in actuality they too are victims however they are quite aware of what they're doing to others - it's a sad circle with the MLMs
You brought up such a good point (as always). If there is truly nothing wrong with their business model, why is it so hard for them to even CONSIDER that their opposition may be right? They don't even have to accept the opposing viewpoints as truth but to not even consider the possibility of it being true speaks volumes.
I'm not a fan of MLM's, but it's a slippery slope to criticize how people talk. I'm a senior manager in my org, and I love to swear (not at work so much, but in general). I'm not trashy and I try to be a good person. And I've read that people who swear tend to be smarter.
@@IreneCamp1 I think it also may depend on what part of the country you are from. Where I live cussing is rude.. but up north it seems normal. But in any business situation you shouldn’t use such language, it is just tacky.
Cussing generally is a neutral action. Cussing AT people is what is rude imo. If people express discomfort about it to you and then you cuss more - that's also rude. But just saying "cussing = trashy" isn't working for me lol. That said, they do cuss a lot and I think it's because they wanna be seen as "real" and "tough love".
Why are kitties always always the most needy when we are working or trying to fix something in the house or on the toilet?! ( mine is the same way!) we love the lovey kitty moments and soak it in whenever it comes🙂
First and most importantly, I love that you let your fur babies join as they see fit! Second, I sure hope these flimsy illogical arguments don't work on people. Like that one that did the comparisons to an organization chart. How did she not notice that she will never be the CEO of her MLM? That it is not an option in an MLM in any manner? The one where she was startled by her child at the playground - SCARY!!! Things can happen and you should not take your eyes off your child!
Why does EVERY SINGLE “boss babe” make a haterz video? I have never had a job where I’ve done this and I could never imagine a small business owner doing this. MLM’s are such a cult.
I literally just binged this video in one cleaning session… so much fur and so many old webs vacuumed up… not to mention the copious amounts of hair that normally falls off my head (which somehow magically stays thick and voluminous; I don’t need a hair product for any of that)… and I do not regret it! I just did almost two hours’ worth of cleaning in less than one. Woo!
there is always an occurring theme, specifically the contrast between unschooling children & many mlm companies, their core reasonings to back up why what theyre doing is good is always using out dated stereotypes that people have been taught are bad. example :: unschooling children = always sat at desks and no time to enjoy and learn what they’re interested in - mlm companies = never at home, always on a schedule and no time for kids plus barely no choice to earn more pay besides a little payrise / bonus
11:44 oh dear lord that child was in danger. Also, the business opportunity is supposed to let you be present with your kids, right? That's a selling point, right? Awful.
I love your anti mlm content 🥰 I was just about to write: STOP RECORDING WHILE DRIVING! God, those stupid huns are so so reckless. imagine killing someone while "working your business". pathetic PS: LOVED the true crime loving advice. that was EXACTLY what came to my mind when I saw that. one blink you and you might lose your child forever!
I got a letter from CutCo my freshman semester of college. It was so slimy. Basically no explanation of the business, barely mentions what they’re selling, they were labeled as Vector Marketing or something like that. Immediately sent pics of the letter and warnings to everyone I knew that started college with me :/
I’m almost certain that these people do stories in the car because they can’t have a single “non-productive” second. When you’re driving you could be doing business I guess lol
@3:59 Honestly, yeah, if I was having a bad day, I would just watch a hunbot’s motivational post/story/live/reel just to know know that, though I might be feeling down, at least I’m not in an MLM.
Excuse me? How is "employee" a rank in a company lol - apparently an assistant isn't a real employee because they haven't ranked up yet! It's ALMOST as if these women have never worked a real job in their lives...
I recently discovered through my first big girl job that you don't make the same every month. No one tells you this, but multiple months out of the year you get 3 week checks. This happens 4 times this year. That's an extra 4 weeks of pay you didn't budget for so it’s extra income. Additionally you get bonuses. I got a a 6 month bonus of $1200 and I work in social services. I'm also expecting one near Christmas.
Running a business solely by myself is SO MUCH work. It's not reliable income and doesn't give me benefits. It could but it'd get extremely costly and well thankfully I get insurance from my husband who has a job that provides him lots of benefits.
It's so weird to me when MLM reps talk about how hard it is to become a CEO or *insert very high up job position here* in a non-mlm company...as if becoming a CEO is everyone's goal and it's unfair that most people will never be a CEO of something, and being a CEO is the only job that matters?
Being real and telling stories in hopes to recruit and make money are not even close to being the same, and it grosses me out seeing stuff like this because people fall for it.
Draymus 🙄 she really irritates my s**t! Sandra really does think she’s something else. I felt so sorry for her mother when she took her “on vacation” she always looked so sad in the background being ignored while “Draymus” was acting the fool with her shampoo buddies
I’d add Julie Jo to your list, she’s doing some great work, too! Also, why the foul language? It’s such a turn off. Don’t they realize what a turn off that is? And I TOTALLY don’t believe that people come up to her a cry. No way. If they really are, that’s sick.
I love your take on recruitment as a never ending rat race of Huns trying desperately to not be on the bottom. It just shows that they DO understand the structure and point of the MLM. They can pretend like they don’t get it. They can act like they don’t know that they’re in a pyramid scheme but their actions prove it. They know that being on the bottom means they’re losing and they need to pack their downline to avoid losing.
I'm binge watching some of your older videos and I just wanted to say you're earning "res-i-dull" income right now!!! Congrats! Lmao. Thanks for the great content and for spreading the ever important anti MLM message.
Hi I am new to the anti MLM because I was in two different companies and I agree with a lot of you stuff; I been binge watching your videos and have no idea why. When I have the courage to share my story I will tell you someday someday. Keep doing what your doing and I love your research skills 🔥👊🏻👊🏻
New to the channel and I love it! For me personally, I struggle with some guilt for having to work outside the home and I think that is what the huns exploit at times. That feeling of wanting to be with your kids but knowing you need the income to support them. Powerful manipulation happening here for sure.
On the cat bit, to be fair he is what tipped me over the edge to subscribe 😹 I sub to 5 or 6 antimlm channels. So these stories aren't eye opening for me. After falling for one in my early 20s, before knowing what they were, I enjoy hearing examples of how awful these tactics are and feel lucky I got out early and with the ability to pay off my large loan they encouraged me to take out 🙄 But I'll watch some extra videos if there's a cat. I love that he wanders in and out at his pleasure. He shows up in the pockets of his time. If there were a cat mlm I would honestly probably join. Your videos are always very well done 👏
Valentus! Omg yes it's awesome that you're covering this. I believe it's pretty rampant in the UK and Charlotte Dickerson has made multiple videos on this company (not sure if she's still making vids). So great to get the word out there more and more!
“No way to get ahead/pay for college/vacation?” How about save a little bit of your income every month? It may take awhile, but it is absolutely possible to achieve financial goals by controlling your spending and saving along the way.
I was literally about to say this? I don’t know about the US but I’m on £43,000 a year and I’ve saved £10,000 in two years for a house deposit. It won’t be the same for everyone of course, but having a stable income makes it easy for me to save because I know what’s coming in so I know what I can save.
@@rikkifashionhouse6592 Congratulations on your hard work. It takes being willing to delay gratification and to do without some wants while taking care of needs.
Valeuntus is an issue here in the UK. Some of their products are not legal to be sold here but it seems that they are still doing so, allegedly in my opinion
When I was qn MLM rep for younique they told us to open up about our past and to "share our why" our story and traumas. They told us we should do that.
38:50 “The highest I have gotten paid was 3,000 in a week” then follows that up with “I don’t want to make any income claims but you can make a lot…” Ummm. But. Wait. You just said…. What? 😳🤔😵💫
Yes! I've seen so many missing person cases where children are taken from public playgrounds and never found again. The parents say they took their eye off them for a second and then they were gone. Don't stare down at your phone at the park!!! Please!!!
Whoa!!! You just showed me how someone I used to know used that tactic on me. It didn't work, but they certainly made the case that I was a terrible person for "not caring" about how hard things were for them when I actually kept distance because of the way they treated me. So crazy what people will do to manipulate others!
I get so mad every time I see these MLMers using their trauma to recruit on reels! Like you, I think it’s super predatory and gross. You can usually tell without even looking at their profile that they are in an MLM. 😡 And I agree that it seems more like she was really stretching for a trauma story that was actually her parents’ story.
"people start crying and tell me how excited they are to meet me" has the same energy as "and then everyone clapped"
There's a Facebook page for that... there's also 'oh shut up Rebecca no one told you that'
I'm paraphrasing here...
I felt the same way about the mlm-er who claimed to that people inbox for the tell her how skinny and beautiful she was but they didn't mean it as a compliment.
Mean girls in high school with perfect bodies standing in front of the change room mirror after gym class (in their skivvies) asking their friends: “Do you think my boobs are too big? I’m soooo self conscious!” Riiiiight….
Why are these mlm huns always SO angry? It’s hard to get through their videos because I feel like I’m being screamed at
They need intercessory prayer and I'm not even joking. The MLM industry is built on spiritual and financial BONDAGE. Pray for the victims of this demonic mind control.
It really creeps me out how emotional this business is. Draymus posted on her stories the other day CRYING after a team call. YOU SELL SHAMPOO. 😑 it’s not that serious wtf
I saw that!! 😳
Also she has 20k Instagram followers and probably half of those are anti mlmers, she's not famous
@@katiemeincke3549 yup I follow her to send her content to others lol.
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Ong it’s that cult mentality always keep you emotional to keep you in
"How are you supposed to save for your kids college fund?" Umm... You're the one knocking 9-5 and college degrees. Why bring up a college fund if you think college is a scam?
OMG 😂
Now now, don't use logic on them, it'll blow her poor little brains inside out. She'll need to snort three lines of lemon-cinnamon-extract-codeine-essential oils just to regain the ability to see again!
Right? Also, scholarships exist. Plenty of parents send their kids to college without a college fund. My husband got his degree just with scholarships and a small student loan. You don't need rich parents to get an education.
Very good point!
@HolldollMcG
Also FAFSA. And grants. And money from loved ones, if they're able to help.
Also also, you start saving for a kids college fund when they're young. You don't drop thousands of dollars into a piggy bank, you start setting aside...preferably before they're even born, to get the most out of it. And college fund accounts I believe accumulate interest too. So it's not even a matter of being rich, it's a matter of if your parents thought of it.
Sometimes I felt like crying when my boss walked in, but for a very different reason.
😂😂😂😂 realest statement ever made.
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Hahahahaah Same!!!
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I worked for a fairly large trucking company. I met the actual owner/president of the company. Twice. I didn't cry in awe or joy. I offered him a beer and directed him to the crawfish platters. Then I watched him get smashed and do the Electric Slide and Cupid Shuffle. It was like...he was just a guy. And he actually did start his own business. He was/is a successful entrepreneur.
All that to say: I can't imagine crying in joy or awe over meeting someone high up in an MLM.
Yes exactly! It’s not a thing that happens outside of MLMs…
When I worked at a restaurant in high school I was able to meet all 3 owners throughout the 3 yrs I worked there. One of the owners who showed up frequently joined the groupchat and worked with us once a week. He also let me interview him for my senior project. Working with him and the environment that we had there is what I miss the most about the job. He is an awesome owner overall doing his best to make the business run.
I'm Swedish, and years ago my aunt for whatever reason met Ingvar Kamprad through work. You know, the founder of IKEA. Kind of a big deal. She most certainly did not cry in awe or joy either, and that's a SIGNIFICANTLY more "famous" business person than this random MLM chick
_"Forgot about your kid on the playground."_
So much for starting the business to prevent "someone else from raising your kids"...
And “being present”!
I am a CPA. I have been in hundreds of business meetings and phone calls, etc. I have never once heard a serious business person drop the F-bomb over and over in a meeting. It's so cringe! She's so unprofessional!!!
Like fr....i swear like a sailor....in private, I'd never dare to talk to customers using profanities 😱
Dre saying people cry because they're so excited to meet her... my first thought was... tell me you're a narcissist without telling me you're a narcissist 😏😯
Yes!!!😂😂
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Well, maybe people are crying when they meet her, but I guess it wouldn´t be from excitement of seeing her. More like the opposite - they are crying because they know what´s coming and they can´t escape it. 😀
My sister is a lawyer. I have zero interest in that and do not envy her life in any way. However, the fact that her life experiences differ so greatly from mine, is exactly why I ask her for advice or for her opinion on certain things. There are so many people that are successful and that I would listen to, and yet I would never want their life. Who came up with this "if you wouldn't trade lives with them don't listen to them" thing, its so ridiculous and disrespectful.
If we took that advice then once you climb out of poverty you shouldn’t listen to ppl still in it. 🤨🤔 we should try to apply this “logic” to tons of things lol it fails every time
Beautifully said.
It is also incredibly disrespectful to people who are neurodivergent or disabled. As a blind and bipolar person, most people that I know wouldn’t want to trade places with me. But I am also a successful person who graduated college, has met her career goals, and I am both happy and empathetic. Lots of people respect my advice/opinion/input-but wouldn’t want to have lived my experiences ( and I am okay with that).How dare she invalidate that?
Same with, say, an unhoused person. I don't want to be unhoused, I don't want to trade places with an unhoused person, but they are still people with experience and wisdom to share across a wide variety of topics (and should especially be centered/consulted on issues relating to the unhoused population)
Whenever I see a video of someone (that they recorded on their phone) ranting about something while driving, I just assume they're wrong about whatever they're ranting about.
"it's crazy that we normalize a dollar raise" That's literally over $2k per year, but they can't make two thousand dollars sound bad so they belittle it as "just a dollar"
Yes exactly!
She also said you can’t get ahead on $20 an hour…excuse me? My husband supports our family of 5 and we just bought a house on $20 an hour and are building a nest egg for our kids. Of course that doesn’t apply to every state or area, but girl is just spouting nonsense either way.
@@KB-pu8ff exactly! Thank you! You pretty much just have motivation.
No, she’s right about that. A dollar raise every year is nothing. Then again, she isn’t making shit with her MLM, but a dollar per raise is insulting and doesn’t even keep up with the rate of inflation.
Especially when that $2k a year that comes from "just a dollar" is way more than 99% of people make their entire time working for an MLM.
I love how she said ‘people who are happy in what they are doing don’t need to justify or put others down’ when the huns spend a large amount of their time bagging out other jobs, people with different opinions and trying to prove that what they do isn’t a scam .
You said it, not me 👀
She's also the same one who laughed at woman who lost like 5 grand. It was really gross.
The first lady also said “dont care about what people say do things that you want to do” yet huns always put people down when they arent “performing”
@@IiI_Gogeta_IiI Right?! ‘Do what you want to do but also don’t do any hobbies or have any free time or go to family events because you should always be working this business if you want it to work’ 🤦🏻♀️
"If you don't want to trade places with them, their opinion doesn't matter" is the stupidest thing I have heard today. I wouldn't want to trade places with any of my close friends, yet their opinion does matter to me, otherwise we wouldn't be friends. These MLM huns just don't make any sense.
Straight up-it is also such an ableist viewpoint as well. Lots of people I know wouldn’t want to trade places with me as I am legally blind and am also bipolar. But I am also a DAMN strong person who graduated from college while blind and before learning Braille, was able to get transplants, earned my teaching credential, take good care of my eyes and learned how to use my white cane when traveling without contacts, make sure I take my medication and attend therapy for my bipolar. I am a high school English teacher and I feel like my advice/opinion matters to a ton of people who love and respect me-but wouldn’t want to switch places with me.
How dare she invalidate people in this way?
Some of the world most loved and influential people lived lives where no-one would trade places with her millions would love to know they think they good people. I mean would you really want to live the life of Mandela or Ghandi?
My closest friends include: military wife, friend planning to move to LA to pursue filmmaking, outdoor recreation student, nanny. If I wanted their lives , I would be doing what they were doing instead of studying nursing! This seems like just another method of separating reps from their outside relationships
@@madeleinejones4406 Exactly.
I find it hilarious that they can say I work my business and then in the same breath say they have worked their way up in their company. How? You either have a business or you work for a company. Can’t do both!
Huns keep saying that we are haters, but the moment they leave an MLM, we’re caring and welcoming while all the other huns in their former MLM shun them and behave like haters.
Dang… so true…
Apostates are always more hated than heathens.
You know... for a bunch of people who claim that they don't care what people think, they sure spend a lot of time talking about not caring what people think...
Cooper deserves fair compensation for his screen time
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What I don’t get is when they say “I don’t know why every one doesn’t do this?” Ummm who gonna make your food, who gonna be at the gas station cashing you out, who gonna be the pilot on your plane? Like seriously our society would crumble if we all joined do you not get that ???
Could you imagine what our world would look like if we all decided to join an MLM tomorrow 😂
Exactly. If we all sold shampoo, we'd be screwed. And if everything was sold by the MLM business bottle, it would be exhausting to find anything. Instead of buying things at a store that sells lots of items, we'd have to search for individual items from individual people. In which case...maybe Amway would be the best MLM cuz they have lots of products. Ha ha!
I can't even understand why they think that way it just hurts my brain lol
The simultaneously lamest and scariest zombie apocalypse.
Who would manufacture, package, and transport your crappy MLM products if everyone was trying to sell them?
The recording while driving makes me SO nervous. I hate that people do that! Why???
I had a friend who was killed because somebody hit her with their car while texting. It was so gut wrenching, because she was 20 and had barely had a chance to live. It makes me really sad to see people use their phones while driving. I know it's not the point of your video, but it just reminded me of how frustrating it is to see.
She’s describing confirmation bias. She’s ignoring all of the criticism and only latching onto any positivity that she gets. That’s a really dangerous position to take
Working an MLM is like running to the work and away from the money.
Random aside, but I'm really glad you bring up how dangerous it is for the huns (or anyone, really) to be filming/recording/posting on their phones while driving. Growing up in LA, I'd see plenty of that and worse (still see plenty of it) and it legit makes me so angry and scared. I knew a kid who literally DIED right up the street from where I lived because the driver who hit him was texting (he was on his bike). The memorial where he died is still there. This was all just before my senior year of hs (he would've been a junior). He died and I KNOW the woman who hit him felt truly horrible (she tried to talk to guy's family and friends and tried to apologize... I'm sure you can imagine it didn't go well). Not only are you putting your life and others lives at risk if your rambling about your MLM on social media, but if, God forbid you DO hit and injure/cost someone their life, you'll carry that weight. And I don't think your shampoo or make up or whatever is going to assuage thar guilt. Put the phone down.
The Valentus part was so interesting, I am from the UK, and live in the same area as the top leader you showed. Everything she is saying is so manipulative; the reason she wasn’t pushing the products from her MLM is because half of the supplements they sell or try and sell are illegal to sell in the UK. So they rely on recruitment, hence why she was pushing it. You need to do a Valentus deep drive for sure!
I think the fact that she says $200 is a lot alot alot...when most mlms say that a starter pk of $200+ shouldn't be a big deal
The sad fact is that $200 isn’t very much to spend on an mlm but is well above average to earn from an mlm.
Sure wish my monthly car note was that much.
Something I think that is also really telling is when the first chick says that she feels “powerful” when people tell her how she’s impacted their life🚩🚩🚩
I feel like if you were truly at whatever job it is you’re doing to change lives, you wouldn’t use the word powerful in relation to the way people make you feel, you would use terms like “comforting” “inspiring” “motivating.” People crying over your place in their life shouldn’t make you feel “powerful.” That’s concerning af.
I’m currently traveling and feeling really homesick, but watching you makes me feel like I’m home because my routine is sitting down to watch you after work while eating buttered pasta at my kitchen counter. 😂 Thank you bunches for this!
Wow this is so sweet! Thank you for telling me that!! 🥺❤️
Buttered pasta is the best *chefs kiss*
The funny thing about these ranks like Executive Director or VP is that in a real job, if you’re a VP, you keep that title until you change jobs or leave the company. Your title won’t change because you had a bad month.
I too am a true crime gal, and I agree - it's not a flex to forget about your child at the playground. It just feels off.
Never apologize for recurring Hun characters...the ones who post most are usually the worst of them (aka higher in the pyramid) and I surely never tire of hearing them being called out for their behavior which _clearly_ no one in their irl has done in a *long* time. Also it hopefully makes someone who is in their thrall break away after hearing their words out of the draconian echo chamber they create.
The way MLMs work, huns tend to become increasingly isolated from those who are in the BUsiNeS so most definitely, they don't get call out on their behavior in real life. And this is deliberate and uplines tell their "teams" to cut "negative" people out of their life.
The results are often absolute disaster, with marriages falling apart and all.
I work in corporate and I love my career, make great money and have an excellent team. And, as a bonus, I don't have to scam anyone!
Dray is the freaking worst. She WOULD be on her phone while driving. Overall, unsurprising.
0/10 don't recommend.
I was thinking, Can you work your MLM from the hospital after you get in a bad wreck because you’re not watching the road? What about jail because you killed someone?
@@labachaterairlandesa”hey guys, the court is in recess, so I’m hopping on here to tell you about our amazing july sales event”.. 🤣🤣
What dray explains is simply becoming calloused, we all do that in life hun
No matter how high you climb in your MLM it’s still not your business. You can lose it all without warning if the company is shut down or if it chooses to change its structure
I know I'm a little late to the party, but as a childhood trauma survivor, I fully agree with what you say about using trauma stories to manipulate people. You're not invalidating anyone's experience - you're pointing out that they're being toxic. I was emotionally abused by my parent, who also had a crappy childhood of their own, and they LOVE throwing pity parties for themselves about it. Do I have empathy for their pain? Yes. But that doesn't make the abuse THEY perpetrate better. In fact, it almost makes it worse - they know how bad it can be, but instead of doing work to heal, they passed the pain down to the next generation. Same thing with the MLM hon. She's meeting manipulated (and maybe retraumatized) by the company, which sucks, but she's trying to do the same thing to others, which is FAR from okay.
Your channel is awesome
How is this first broad not being charged for distracted driving?! She's literally posting videos of her actively breaking the law, how is she still driving?!
Also, this "omg I'm soooo busy" mentality reminds me of a man I used to work with. I owned an actual business, I just graduated college to start my actual grooming business run by me, and oh my lanta remember him going on and on with all his "mentor's" business advice. You should undercut your competitors! When someone calls you, make sure you sound super busy and rustle papers around so they get the impression that you're super busy. And always make it out like you can do them a favor and squeeze them in. And guess who's business lasted and which didn't 😂
If you sound too busy for me I'll go find someone with time for me. I value being able to take my time and be personable with people providing me services, if someone seems busy I know I can find someone who isn't. My favourite restaurant has poor food and prices, but the staff is quick and beyond friendly. There is a cheaper bar with almost the exact same menu except a GRILLED CHEESE MADE OF TWO PIZZA SLICES AND MY FAVOURITE SOUP. But I'll never go because at my favourite place I can sit and chat and get quick service. I will pay more for a worse product if I don't feel like a burden.
That one girl just proved that validation from other people more important to her than her "liking just being herself."
Did she really just say that the opinions of people you wouldn't trade places with are not valid? So people with less money/looks/status can not contribute any insight to this woman??? That is honestly one of the shittiest things I've ever heard.
Dray is my absolute toppity topp Grublin of the year (yes, she's beaten Bosslee) , and for crying out loud, STOP STREAMING AND DRIVING!!! Jesus
Wow! That's serious!!
@@kristyrussell1748 ikr😂
Her blood pressure has gotta be through the roof
@@eileenyyy how is she still alive tho
Yes yes yes! Idk how many times I've witness a mom look up from her phone after watching she scrolled for 10 min at a play ground just to "act cool" yet have the most frantic eyes when they couldnt spot their kid
..luckily for them there's super anxious moms like me who look out for everyone and all the kids and I kept an eye out for them for her because I knew she wouldn't notice if they were abducted! Same thing at the lake...I was swimming WITH my kids to make sure they were safe meanwhile a 3 year old ran in, without a life jacket and her mom didnt notice because she was too busy scrolling and texting. By the time the girl was neck deep and I realized she cant swim + no one even noticed (it took all but 10 seconds) I had my 3 girls in their life jackets hold onto a swimming noodle that I was dragging with me as I swooped that poor child out of the water with my other hand. Put away your phones if you're with your children please!
NO WAY. Oh my gosh that is so so so terrifying. Good for you for being on high-alert! 😖
Youre not alone mama! Im one of those too 💗 so terrifying 😱
@@tkcrew7039 my daughters name is tasia too ❤️
@@yanasopinion4580 how cool! I rarely meet other Tasias 🥰
Things like ubiquitous debt, unliveable wages, etc, are systemic issues. Obviously, everyone has to figure out individually how they're going to navigate it, but the broader solutions we need to focus on are going to require public policy changes.... not joining a pyramid scheme
I think it’s pretty telling that even that Huns own father said she should be GRATEFUL for her success, not PROUD.
If she had actually built her own business and was earning her money legitimately she would have accomplished something to be proud of. Instead she really should be grateful she got in when she did
Her saying "just start" reminds me of a Mary Kay consultant telling me "don't think just do" .
After I told her that it needed some time to think about Joining.... lol
I absolutely love your top! “Sorry it’s loud” WAIT UNTIL YOU GET HOME. You could kill someone being on your phone and driving, so dumb and dangerous.
Dray is someone who's having a hard time with her gross behavior called out so she's definitely having to up her game (by game i mean yelling and screaming and swearing at her "team" and potentials) - i get mean girl vibes from her because she and a few ladies on her team did a live one night and made fun of someone who shared her story about how she lost 5k while in an MLM - it was horrific - so now she's attempting to gain back her image - she got super upset and angry because Isabella Lanter, CC Suarez and Deanna Mimms called her gross behavior out and now she's on the watch list like boss lee- Dray is similar to boss lee in thinking she's a celebrity and is the greatest of all time - in actuality they too are victims however they are quite aware of what they're doing to others - it's a sad circle with the MLMs
“That’s weird behavior” is my favorite thing she says
You brought up such a good point (as always). If there is truly nothing wrong with their business model, why is it so hard for them to even CONSIDER that their opposition may be right? They don't even have to accept the opposing viewpoints as truth but to not even consider the possibility of it being true speaks volumes.
Do you ever notice the more hard core the MLM person is the more they cuss? It’s so trashy and doesn’t attract good people.
I'm not a fan of MLM's, but it's a slippery slope to criticize how people talk. I'm a senior manager in my org, and I love to swear (not at work so much, but in general). I'm not trashy and I try to be a good person. And I've read that people who swear tend to be smarter.
@@IreneCamp1 I think it also may depend on what part of the country you are from. Where I live cussing is rude.. but up north it seems normal. But in any business situation you shouldn’t use such language, it is just tacky.
because "good" people never cuss obviously
Cussing generally is a neutral action. Cussing AT people is what is rude imo. If people express discomfort about it to you and then you cuss more - that's also rude. But just saying "cussing = trashy" isn't working for me lol.
That said, they do cuss a lot and I think it's because they wanna be seen as "real" and "tough love".
Nothing says, "I don't care," like getting super angry and yelling with righteous fury.
Why are kitties always always the most needy when we are working or trying to fix something in the house or on the toilet?! ( mine is the same way!) we love the lovey kitty moments and soak it in whenever it comes🙂
First and most importantly, I love that you let your fur babies join as they see fit! Second, I sure hope these flimsy illogical arguments don't work on people. Like that one that did the comparisons to an organization chart. How did she not notice that she will never be the CEO of her MLM? That it is not an option in an MLM in any manner? The one where she was startled by her child at the playground - SCARY!!! Things can happen and you should not take your eyes off your child!
Why does EVERY SINGLE “boss babe” make a haterz video? I have never had a job where I’ve done this and I could never imagine a small business owner doing this. MLM’s are such a cult.
I literally just binged this video in one cleaning session… so much fur and so many old webs vacuumed up… not to mention the copious amounts of hair that normally falls off my head (which somehow magically stays thick and voluminous; I don’t need a hair product for any of that)… and I do not regret it! I just did almost two hours’ worth of cleaning in less than one. Woo!
there is always an occurring theme, specifically the contrast between unschooling children & many mlm companies, their core reasonings to back up why what theyre doing is good is always using out dated stereotypes that people have been taught are bad.
example :: unschooling children = always sat at desks and no time to enjoy and learn what they’re interested in
- mlm companies = never at home, always on a schedule and no time for kids plus barely no choice to earn more pay besides a little payrise / bonus
11:44 oh dear lord that child was in danger. Also, the business opportunity is supposed to let you be present with your kids, right? That's a selling point, right? Awful.
I love your anti mlm content 🥰 I was just about to write: STOP RECORDING WHILE DRIVING! God, those stupid huns are so so reckless. imagine killing someone while "working your business". pathetic
PS: LOVED the true crime loving advice. that was EXACTLY what came to my mind when I saw that. one blink you and you might lose your child forever!
If a Monat sales rep tells you that the business is easy because everyone washes their hair, tell said person that you don't wash your own hair.
😂😂😂
I got a letter from CutCo my freshman semester of college. It was so slimy. Basically no explanation of the business, barely mentions what they’re selling, they were labeled as Vector Marketing or something like that. Immediately sent pics of the letter and warnings to everyone I knew that started college with me :/
I have two cats so i know how they are they want attention at the most inconvenient time. but when you want to give them attention they run off lol
Sounds like my toddler - who was born in the year of the cat 😅
I love it when Cooper is in the frame! Let him intrude all he wants lol
The lady sharing her parents were teen mums, picking between abortion and keeping her felt uncomfortable and icky.
Agreed!
I really appreciate you saying that not everyone wants to ride the wave of financial uncertainty because I am completely that person!
I’m almost certain that these people do stories in the car because they can’t have a single “non-productive” second. When you’re driving you could be doing business I guess lol
@3:59
Honestly, yeah, if I was having a bad day, I would just watch a hunbot’s motivational post/story/live/reel just to know know that, though I might be feeling down, at least I’m not in an MLM.
Excuse me? How is "employee" a rank in a company lol - apparently an assistant isn't a real employee because they haven't ranked up yet! It's ALMOST as if these women have never worked a real job in their lives...
I recently discovered through my first big girl job that you don't make the same every month. No one tells you this, but multiple months out of the year you get 3 week checks. This happens 4 times this year. That's an extra 4 weeks of pay you didn't budget for so it’s extra income. Additionally you get bonuses. I got a a 6 month bonus of $1200 and I work in social services. I'm also expecting one near Christmas.
I mean… it’s not “extra” if you take your annual salary and divide by 52 weeks, or by 12 months.
Running a business solely by myself is SO MUCH work. It's not reliable income and doesn't give me benefits. It could but it'd get extremely costly and well thankfully I get insurance from my husband who has a job that provides him lots of benefits.
It's so weird to me when MLM reps talk about how hard it is to become a CEO or *insert very high up job position here* in a non-mlm company...as if becoming a CEO is everyone's goal and it's unfair that most people will never be a CEO of something, and being a CEO is the only job that matters?
Being real and telling stories in hopes to recruit and make money are not even close to being the same, and it grosses me out seeing stuff like this because people fall for it.
Draymus 🙄 she really irritates my s**t! Sandra really does think she’s something else. I felt so sorry for her mother when she took her “on vacation” she always looked so sad in the background being ignored while “Draymus” was acting the fool with her shampoo buddies
I’d add Julie Jo to your list, she’s doing some great work, too! Also, why the foul language? It’s such a turn off. Don’t they realize what a turn off that is? And I TOTALLY don’t believe that people come up to her a cry. No way. If they really are, that’s sick.
Hun: Has student loans, presumably from college
Also hun: uses the word "tooken"
I love your take on recruitment as a never ending rat race of Huns trying desperately to not be on the bottom. It just shows that they DO understand the structure and point of the MLM. They can pretend like they don’t get it. They can act like they don’t know that they’re in a pyramid scheme but their actions prove it. They know that being on the bottom means they’re losing and they need to pack their downline to avoid losing.
Exactly! So wonderfully put!
I love when your teacher ‘so, what we’re not gonna do today Charleigh…’ energy comes out.
If you cry after business calls and cry in excitement over meeting your boss, you may be in a cult.
😂😂 I was just about to make a similar comment
Imagine how happy some MLMers would be if they hit $40,000 a year? And that’s with no benefits!
Market partners are worse than interns because they’re not just unpaid, they’re loosing money to make the people on top rich.
I'm binge watching some of your older videos and I just wanted to say you're earning "res-i-dull" income right now!!! Congrats! Lmao. Thanks for the great content and for spreading the ever important anti MLM message.
Every time drey comes on I have to turn my volume way down jfc😂
Hi I am new to the anti MLM because I was in two different companies and I agree with a lot of you stuff; I been binge watching your videos and have no idea why. When I have the courage to share my story I will tell you someday someday. Keep doing what your doing and I love your research skills 🔥👊🏻👊🏻
New to the channel and I love it! For me personally, I struggle with some guilt for having to work outside the home and I think that is what the huns exploit at times. That feeling of wanting to be with your kids but knowing you need the income to support them. Powerful manipulation happening here for sure.
On the cat bit, to be fair he is what tipped me over the edge to subscribe 😹 I sub to 5 or 6 antimlm channels. So these stories aren't eye opening for me. After falling for one in my early 20s, before knowing what they were, I enjoy hearing examples of how awful these tactics are and feel lucky I got out early and with the ability to pay off my large loan they encouraged me to take out 🙄 But I'll watch some extra videos if there's a cat. I love that he wanders in and out at his pleasure. He shows up in the pockets of his time. If there were a cat mlm I would honestly probably join. Your videos are always very well done 👏
Valentus! Omg yes it's awesome that you're covering this. I believe it's pretty rampant in the UK and Charlotte Dickerson has made multiple videos on this company (not sure if she's still making vids). So great to get the word out there more and more!
“No way to get ahead/pay for college/vacation?” How about save a little bit of your income every month? It may take awhile, but it is absolutely possible to achieve financial goals by controlling your spending and saving along the way.
I was literally about to say this? I don’t know about the US but I’m on £43,000 a year and I’ve saved £10,000 in two years for a house deposit. It won’t be the same for everyone of course, but having a stable income makes it easy for me to save because I know what’s coming in so I know what I can save.
As a single mom, no child support and no government assistance. I paid off 40k in debt in 2.5 years. You do not need a mlm
@@rikkifashionhouse6592 Congratulations on your hard work. It takes being willing to delay gratification and to do without some wants while taking care of needs.
You guys are killing it, amazing!! Absolutely agree with what you're saying, very inspiring!
@@rikkifashionhouse6592 Congrats how did you do it?
Valeuntus is an issue here in the UK. Some of their products are not legal to be sold here but it seems that they are still doing so, allegedly in my opinion
Never apologize for your tangents❤I LOVE them and find them informing, too.
48 min video??? LET’S GOOO. Getting on the treadmill. (to walk, calm down) thank you for supporting my fitness “journey”.
I support a long walk! 👏🏼
Wow...that was...a lot.
Ohh Dray, you’ve definitely impacted my life. You have provided me with endless entertainment 🤣
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OMG 🤣
When I was qn MLM rep for younique they told us to open up about our past and to "share our why" our story and traumas. They told us we should do that.
"I'M TOO BUSY BEING _POSITIVE_ TO FOCUS ON THE HATERS" girl please be unbothered and positive a bit less agressively, omg
Lol
Hannah, I love your videos! You explain things without being mean. Thank you 💕 as for Cooper, I adore him.
Thanks for watching Leanne! ❤️
38:50
“The highest I have gotten paid was 3,000 in a week” then follows that up with “I don’t want to make any income claims but you can make a lot…”
Ummm. But. Wait. You just said…. What? 😳🤔😵💫
It really is like a cult.
Yes! I've seen so many missing person cases where children are taken from public playgrounds and never found again. The parents say they took their eye off them for a second and then they were gone. Don't stare down at your phone at the park!!! Please!!!
I think the oversharing as a tactic to make anti-mlm channels seem uncaring for dissing them. So it’s manipulative that way too.
Whoa!!! You just showed me how someone I used to know used that tactic on me. It didn't work, but they certainly made the case that I was a terrible person for "not caring" about how hard things were for them when I actually kept distance because of the way they treated me. So crazy what people will do to manipulate others!
So funny to listen to these old videos hearing how surprised you were to make 27, or 41 for example. Now I found you at over 120… go girl!🎉
Yes it is unlimited, because there’s no limit to how much the team can grow, there are literally billions of people in the world
I get so mad every time I see these MLMers using their trauma to recruit on reels! Like you, I think it’s super predatory and gross. You can usually tell without even looking at their profile that they are in an MLM. 😡 And I agree that it seems more like she was really stretching for a trauma story that was actually her parents’ story.