Here's a little anecdote about Grubby and Dendi: I remember watching Grubbys very first Dota-stream. He was playing with Dendi, and they were going to do some viewer-games. I was lucky enough, so Grubby dm'd me the password for the lobby, and holy shit. Here am I, playing against a retired Dota-legend, Dendi and a retired Warcraft-legend, Grubby. As you can imagine, Grubby was laning with Dendi, and they were picking CM and Centaur respectively in the safe lane. I was laning with a pos. 4 Pudge and whenever he hit a hook (especially on Dendi), the whole team got so hyped up, since Dendi was THE Pudge-player in the early stages of the game. Ofc, they were "meme-playing" with the newly arrived Centaur-cart, but I remember Grubby actually hitting a couple of decent Freezing Fields. That one game was filled with pure, good vibes and love for the game. No toxicity, no flaming. Which is why that single lobby game might honestly be my favourite game of Dota 2 I've ever played in my 9k+ hours. Thank you for the memory, Grubby.
Grubby and Dendi are legends in the RTS/Action RTS genre. I still think of Dendi and XBOCT and Puppey as the epitome of Competitive Dota 2. I think Dota 2 isn’t bad enough to be called a MOBA, still feels like Warcraft 3 with just one hero and courier to me.
Chasing highest solo queue ranking is how most people engage with Dota, but IMO is worst way to do so. Game is much more fun when playing for the love of the game and experimentation. While visible MMR systems and rankings are good for goal setting and player retention (just 1 more match to make up mmr lost today etc.) in general I think they are a net negative when it comes to emotional return and play experience.
I agree. I had fun on turbo mode, and when I got knowledge of heroes and items - I went for long normals. Incredibly fun. I don't want to play ranked to get cocky.
i agree 100%. since i started rankeds i always get in this try hard mod especially after i peak new ranks and i start only playing for the mmr. when i realize i have to calm and remember thats all about fun, its not always easy but its so much better this way
yah same i stopped around 7.5k mmr. realized it just wasnt fun anymore really. especially with the current immortal draft na is impossible to play nowadays. now I just play with friends and fck around in unranked
DotA2 is the one of the best games ever developed, the design and depth are honestly unparalleled outside a few heavy hitters like Dwarf Fortress. It's also a late-stage online game with a toxic community, huge learning curve, and basically requires a dedicated group to practice with to advance. Very daunting to get into, but rewarding for those that thread the needle.
First off there is no depth at all it's all been copied from DOTA 1 AKA Warcraft 3 and the new things they do add are watered down and there is actually almost no balance to the game so you're just factually wrong heroes of the Storm has more depth then Dota 2 ever will
I remember when I first watched this. Dendi was so supportive and this is what dota 2 needs the most, people with experience helping out others with this attitude. As an archon player, I'm quite far from being dendi, but I've always had a better experience playing with other players no matter the rank in a party, getting into discord, and just laughing it up together at mistakes no matter the outcome. Of course, also coaching others in the process. You just get a much more fun experience, since you coordinate more, and people tend to be less toxic this way. I always totaly understand why Gurbby quitted, since that is practically an impossible enviroment when queueing solo at that level, and trying unfamiliar heroes or builds, since there is a zero tolerance for that.
In America, 40hr work weeks x 52 weeks= 2080hrs per year for full-time work. 24 hours per day x 7 days a week =154 hrs per week. 154 x 52 weeks =8008 hrs per year. Just information.
Love that he is still fond of the game. It really is amazing and hope that the community gets better in enjoying the game so that players have more freedom in game
Enjoying your A to Z dota challenge now, also watched your dota streams. Dota player since 2017 myself. Your streams and the challenge was pog, brilliant content all day every day, but I also understand that community of this game is less than worse, and I'll totally get it if you decide not to play dota again. I took several brakes over these years from playing this game myself. To me, the game itself is ideal in every aspect, I love and adore the game the bottom of my heart, but most of people in it really are animals.
I miss dota content produced by you, but really appreciate any dota 2 related video since you stopped playing, looking forward to you giving a try to the new facet system they introduced.
My only advice to newcomers from other MOBA games out there, coming to Dota 2 is this; Getting into Dota 2 and learning the basic mechanics, concept and skills is the easy part. Getting out from Dota 2 is the difficult part. So many dota 2 players can relate to this problem of "attachment" to the game. Although its not impossible to leave the game after some time spent on it, it remains a fact that so many players just couldn't leave Dota 2 permanently. So with that in mind, ask yourself, are you willing to experience Dota 2 knowing that this too could happen to you in the future ? Are you sure you could stop playing the game and never look back at it ? I didn't ask myself this question back in 2009 when I first started playing Dota 1, specifically patch 6.59c. I wish I did because now, I became a degenerate Enigma spammer, but I'm proud of it lmao
Man I really miss your Dota streams Grubby. Hope you can come back to play ocassionally, maybe once a week just for the fans. That's hard to do with Dota though..
@GrubbyTalks will you be playing the Battle Aces beta starting today? It looks like a lot of fun and is actually taking a totally different approach to the RTS genre. I think it might do well and maybe even appeal to a larger audience than just RTS enthusiasts
It's so crazy. I have maybe 1 out of 20 or 30 games with and idiot that has a mic. The other games are quiet and some are even wholesome. The majority is wholesome. Just talking to other players, having fun, even when losing. It probably depends on the time you play. Honestly I avoid playing after midnight with all the people that want their mmr back.
The last time I enjoyed Dota was when I had a group from a university club to play 5 vs 5 in a more friendly manner. Afterwards, I had another group to party queue but it was ruined by 1 obnoxious carry player. And I just stop playing normal Dota, only play fun custom games for awhile and finally uninstalled the game in 2018. FYI my history was from Dota 1, I had a Tier 3 team in High School competing in local Dota 1 LAN. During uni, I was in a Tier 2 team doing the same on Dota2 for the entire 2013.
Miss you playing dota 😢 I occasionally tune in for other games but I have no idea what’s going on so I don’t stick around. It would be very cool if you could come back and play some dota sometimes, maybe unranked with friends so it’s less toxic and stressful, you already achieved the peak for a non-pro player, which is immortal. Nothing left to prove, but I know a lot of people enjoyed your dota streams
Hey Grubby, just wanted to say thanks for playing Dota. It can be toxic at times but for the most part its fun. Idk if its just me but im now tolerant to toxic behaviour in moba games.
Dendi as a coach... is like getting fairyfloss for every mistake. Slight disappointment is the most you'll ever get from him for making newbie mistakes.
The higher your MMR is the more you'll meet toxic players, players that losing and winning matters the most to them even more than having fun, that's why I've never wanted to rank up my main account to higher than ancient, I don't lose deliberately but I know 70% of party games is prob a lose and that's how I maintain an average MMR
I started Dota like a month before you and really enjoyed following your saga, in parralel to my own Dota journey. Personally I'm sad that you left the scene, but obviously do what's good for you... Are other co op games really less toxic? It seems like it's kind of a built in clause for having your success depend on other people, combined with internet anonymity.... Good luck!
After 12 years in SEA, i could confidently say that i've somewhat emotionally mature from all toxicity of the game. Instead of actively engage in a raging chat, i just afk jungle and refuse to cooperate with the fk assholes that blame me. Sometimes i send my courier to circle the douche like a satellite or even do it with my hero, other times i give him agressive tips whenever he fuck up. Or the combination of both.
ive been playing dota for 10 years now and i came across this video, and i just want to thesow this advics here that will solve maybe most of the problems in dota which is the community, and the advice is : play with your friends, 5 of you, not 4, 5. thats it, if u dont have any friends that play it, convince them teach them
It´s 100% a people problem, the game itself is excellent. Sometimes I enjoy just playing against bots, they grief less than humans. React to pings and commands, no talking back. Heck they will even applaud a good old rampage. Humans are generally just not nice, assuming otherwise will just hurt you.
Dota Wednesdays - the day you will love the most and hate the most too. Can you keep it contained to Wednesdays? No. It's not possible. It's worse than a drug. But can't you? Great player... Can you pick up your sword for just one day a week, and make sure you have enough time to breathe the other 6 days? Or will it turn back into a full-fledged addiction? Great warrior. It is your greatest hour. Choose wisely
there was no need to tease your dota audience with this video.... based on your repetitive complaint, you should avoid competitive team based games if you cant deal with anti social behavior from others yourself :| it is no different in any team sport really where team mates choose to not have respect for eachother, more common online ofcourse. otherwise great content, keep it up!
Quit playing ranked tears ago, im too old starting a family and has a regular job, ranked is making me an unplesant person to be around with even in real life its not good for me so i exclusively play turbo now and even when losing i had my fair share of fun
That is one of reasons Lol is more popular, while i think Dota is more fun cause u can do cheesy stuff and makes it work, Lol just have specific roles and builds u have to follow and makes it easier and clearly when something is trolling. While Dota have way more diverse picks and item builds but some might not like it if u dont follow meta 100% and have reason to blame on for lose
Here's a little anecdote about Grubby and Dendi:
I remember watching Grubbys very first Dota-stream. He was playing with Dendi, and they were going to do some viewer-games. I was lucky enough, so Grubby dm'd me the password for the lobby, and holy shit. Here am I, playing against a retired Dota-legend, Dendi and a retired Warcraft-legend, Grubby.
As you can imagine, Grubby was laning with Dendi, and they were picking CM and Centaur respectively in the safe lane. I was laning with a pos. 4 Pudge and whenever he hit a hook (especially on Dendi), the whole team got so hyped up, since Dendi was THE Pudge-player in the early stages of the game.
Ofc, they were "meme-playing" with the newly arrived Centaur-cart, but I remember Grubby actually hitting a couple of decent Freezing Fields.
That one game was filled with pure, good vibes and love for the game. No toxicity, no flaming.
Which is why that single lobby game might honestly be my favourite game of Dota 2 I've ever played in my 9k+ hours.
Thank you for the memory, Grubby.
Grubby and Dendi are legends in the RTS/Action RTS genre.
I still think of Dendi and XBOCT and Puppey as the epitome of Competitive Dota 2.
I think Dota 2 isn’t bad enough to be called a MOBA, still feels like Warcraft 3 with just one hero and courier to me.
Wasn't Dondo still playing for Bait when Grubby started streaming DOTA?
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@@chronology556 I still prefer the term A-RTS (Action Real Time Strategy), very fitting for Dota, MOBA is generic as hell lol
@@glisteningDiamond2512 Dota 2 is a MOBA, unless you want to call every videogame a RTS
Chasing highest solo queue ranking is how most people engage with Dota, but IMO is worst way to do so. Game is much more fun when playing for the love of the game and experimentation. While visible MMR systems and rankings are good for goal setting and player retention (just 1 more match to make up mmr lost today etc.) in general I think they are a net negative when it comes to emotional return and play experience.
I agree. I had fun on turbo mode, and when I got knowledge of heroes and items - I went for long normals. Incredibly fun. I don't want to play ranked to get cocky.
i agree 100%. since i started rankeds i always get in this try hard mod especially after i peak new ranks and i start only playing for the mmr. when i realize i have to calm and remember thats all about fun, its not always easy but its so much better this way
yah same i stopped around 7.5k mmr. realized it just wasnt fun anymore really. especially with the current immortal draft na is impossible to play nowadays. now I just play with friends and fck around in unranked
Esports ruins fun and creativity, everyone just play meta and complain about it
I feel like MMR should be evaluated based on your performance on each match instead of just winning a match.
DotA2 is the one of the best games ever developed, the design and depth are honestly unparalleled outside a few heavy hitters like Dwarf Fortress. It's also a late-stage online game with a toxic community, huge learning curve, and basically requires a dedicated group to practice with to advance. Very daunting to get into, but rewarding for those that thread the needle.
First off there is no depth at all it's all been copied from DOTA 1 AKA Warcraft 3 and the new things they do add are watered down and there is actually almost no balance to the game so you're just factually wrong heroes of the Storm has more depth then Dota 2 ever will
dendi is too funny lmao and such a kind teacher , two peas in a pod you guys are
I remember when I first watched this. Dendi was so supportive and this is what dota 2 needs the most, people with experience helping out others with this attitude.
As an archon player, I'm quite far from being dendi, but I've always had a better experience playing with other players no matter the rank in a party, getting into discord, and just laughing it up together at mistakes no matter the outcome. Of course, also coaching others in the process. You just get a much more fun experience, since you coordinate more, and people tend to be less toxic this way.
I always totaly understand why Gurbby quitted, since that is practically an impossible enviroment when queueing solo at that level, and trying unfamiliar heroes or builds, since there is a zero tolerance for that.
All the early coaching sessions were so good
Bro you played 8k hours or whatever in 1 year, that is crazy.
As a job. That makes it very very easy.
As a job, that would be 160 hours a week lmao
In America, 40hr work weeks x 52 weeks= 2080hrs per year for full-time work.
24 hours per day x 7 days a week =154 hrs per week.
154 x 52 weeks =8008 hrs per year. Just information.
Not 8k. But 2-3k
If someone get paid to play a game surely they will stack up on the time and specially if they where enjoying it
Love that he is still fond of the game. It really is amazing and hope that the community gets better in enjoying the game so that players have more freedom in game
Enjoying your A to Z dota challenge now, also watched your dota streams. Dota player since 2017 myself. Your streams and the challenge was pog, brilliant content all day every day, but I also understand that community of this game is less than worse, and I'll totally get it if you decide not to play dota again. I took several brakes over these years from playing this game myself. To me, the game itself is ideal in every aspect, I love and adore the game the bottom of my heart, but most of people in it really are animals.
Dendi is such a champ, imagine getting applause from the Pudge-god
man I really gotta start watching the entire videos before commenting
i miss grubbyplaying dota2
0:20 - if you turn 360* and start running. You'll run to the same direction 🤭
the joke explainer has logged on
I miss dota content produced by you, but really appreciate any dota 2 related video since you stopped playing, looking forward to you giving a try to the new facet system they introduced.
Always nice to connect with Grubby when he plays Dota2. Miss you Grubby. Hope you will return some day to the game.
My only advice to newcomers from other MOBA games out there, coming to Dota 2 is this;
Getting into Dota 2 and learning the basic mechanics, concept and skills is the easy part. Getting out from Dota 2 is the difficult part. So many dota 2 players can relate to this problem of "attachment" to the game. Although its not impossible to leave the game after some time spent on it, it remains a fact that so many players just couldn't leave Dota 2 permanently.
So with that in mind, ask yourself, are you willing to experience Dota 2 knowing that this too could happen to you in the future ? Are you sure you could stop playing the game and never look back at it ?
I didn't ask myself this question back in 2009 when I first started playing Dota 1, specifically patch 6.59c. I wish I did because now, I became a degenerate Enigma spammer, but I'm proud of it lmao
I remember being so excited to see your a-z run, was tons of fun :D
Man I really miss your Dota streams Grubby. Hope you can come back to play ocassionally, maybe once a week just for the fans. That's hard to do with Dota though..
Glad to see dota vids with grub
Ah, grubek doto. At least we still have grubek spiro xdding
HoTS became a much more fun experience for me when I disabled all chat in the options. I can finally just play the game and have fun
Yeah if you had some peak memories with some people, you never felt like do it alone again.
@GrubbyTalks will you be playing the Battle Aces beta starting today? It looks like a lot of fun and is actually taking a totally different approach to the RTS genre. I think it might do well and maybe even appeal to a larger audience than just RTS enthusiasts
Ive been playing dota since 08, its just a part of the game i love the toxic player, it allways makes my day 😂
It's so crazy. I have maybe 1 out of 20 or 30 games with and idiot that has a mic.
The other games are quiet and some are even wholesome. The majority is wholesome. Just talking to other players, having fun, even when losing.
It probably depends on the time you play. Honestly I avoid playing after midnight with all the people that want their mmr back.
The last time I enjoyed Dota was when I had a group from a university club to play 5 vs 5 in a more friendly manner. Afterwards, I had another group to party queue but it was ruined by 1 obnoxious carry player. And I just stop playing normal Dota, only play fun custom games for awhile and finally uninstalled the game in 2018.
FYI my history was from Dota 1, I had a Tier 3 team in High School competing in local Dota 1 LAN. During uni, I was in a Tier 2 team doing the same on Dota2 for the entire 2013.
left dota in 2018 when my teamnates started trashing each others even before the match started. never came back
Miss you playing dota 😢 I occasionally tune in for other games but I have no idea what’s going on so I don’t stick around. It would be very cool if you could come back and play some dota sometimes, maybe unranked with friends so it’s less toxic and stressful, you already achieved the peak for a non-pro player, which is immortal. Nothing left to prove, but I know a lot of people enjoyed your dota streams
Hey Grubby, just wanted to say thanks for playing Dota. It can be toxic at times but for the most part its fun. Idk if its just me but im now tolerant to toxic behaviour in moba games.
Dendi as a coach... is like getting fairyfloss for every mistake. Slight disappointment is the most you'll ever get from him for making newbie mistakes.
The higher your MMR is the more you'll meet toxic players, players that losing and winning matters the most to them even more than having fun, that's why I've never wanted to rank up my main account to higher than ancient, I don't lose deliberately but I know 70% of party games is prob a lose and that's how I maintain an average MMR
It would be so awesome Grubby if you played a casual Single Draft or something with viewers from time time!
I play DOTA 2 and am garbage. I love Nyx Assassin but when I pick it my teammates abandon the games. I started 2 days ago. Still love the game.
I started Dota like a month before you and really enjoyed following your saga, in parralel to my own Dota journey. Personally I'm sad that you left the scene, but obviously do what's good for
you... Are other co op games really less toxic? It seems like it's kind of a built in clause for having your success depend on other people, combined with internet anonymity....
Good luck!
Still hoping Grubby will enjoy party queue with waga, sing and friends at some point
Dondo best teacher and best player
to enjoy dota2, you need to create your own community for your certain needs.
I alwasy mute everyone before they have a chance to talk to me and then I just play the game as if everyones having fun and nobody is a psychopath.
After 12 years in SEA, i could confidently say that i've somewhat emotionally mature from all toxicity of the game. Instead of actively engage in a raging chat, i just afk jungle and refuse to cooperate with the fk assholes that blame me. Sometimes i send my courier to circle the douche like a satellite or even do it with my hero, other times i give him agressive tips whenever he fuck up. Or the combination of both.
You are 0% mature wdym 😂😂
ive been playing dota for 10 years now and i came across this video, and i just want to thesow this advics here that will solve maybe most of the problems in dota which is the community, and the advice is : play with your friends, 5 of you, not 4, 5. thats it, if u dont have any friends that play it, convince them teach them
It´s 100% a people problem, the game itself is excellent. Sometimes I enjoy just playing against bots, they grief less than humans. React to pings and commands, no talking back. Heck they will even applaud a good old rampage. Humans are generally just not nice, assuming otherwise will just hurt you.
*And he coached me on Pudge ! Uhm which is the primary HOOKER in the game*
Harsh words from grubbers
Did grubby rly quit over toxic players?
360 is same direction grub...
13:52 Race King behind
Dota Wednesdays - the day you will love the most and hate the most too. Can you keep it contained to Wednesdays? No. It's not possible. It's worse than a drug. But can't you? Great player...
Can you pick up your sword for just one day a week, and make sure you have enough time to breathe the other 6 days? Or will it turn back into a full-fledged addiction?
Great warrior. It is your greatest hour. Choose wisely
there was no need to tease your dota audience with this video.... based on your repetitive complaint, you should avoid competitive team based games if you cant deal with anti social behavior from others yourself :| it is no different in any team sport really where team mates choose to not have respect for eachother, more common online ofcourse. otherwise great content, keep it up!
A little friction? Eh?? Might want to book an appointment to the dermatologist to see if you got second degree burns
Dota content!!
Hope you find a five stack so you can try playing again
At least you don’t need to worry about backseating now cos nobody knows wtf is going on
We need some new Warcraft informational videos
You don't need to force yourself to play or you could just play unrank for the fun of it.
как мило!
Maybe just turn 180 degrees
People are much much toxic in dota than in hots. If he cant handle hots toxicity, he definatly should not play dota
Why you keep baiting us Grub?
GG GRUBBY!!!!!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊
Quit playing ranked tears ago, im too old starting a family and has a regular job, ranked is making me an unplesant person to be around with even in real life its not good for me so i exclusively play turbo now and even when losing i had my fair share of fun
bro if you ever go back, go for pudge, its the dota hero, he is the one to have fun
If the mother fucker wasn’t banned 80% of the time….
I would spam my favorite hero a lot more.
You make plays all day, instead of farming.
Cool
360° ??? 😄
It's a meme, look it up. (Turn 360 Degrees and Walk Away, KnowYourMeme)
That is one of reasons Lol is more popular, while i think Dota is more fun cause u can do cheesy stuff and makes it work, Lol just have specific roles and builds u have to follow and makes it easier and clearly when something is trolling. While Dota have way more diverse picks and item builds but some might not like it if u dont follow meta 100% and have reason to blame on for lose
is this signalling the return!?
Not to shit on Dendi but he can't be a coach to someone who doesn't know everything about Dota 2, he can only teach experienced players.
now i want you to make bad times of dota video!!
its not worth it!!
sad to see dendi going political... was a great player in my eyes...
go play dota again grubby just mute toxic people
Play smite instead
Game is toxic and unplayable. Better off watching pro games instead :)
Love this video
that video of the coaching I thought it was one of the best videos evers, but then grubby reacts to that ? 🥹🥹🥹🥹