Mixing in Mono: Whats the Deal?!

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  • @joeefenmama
    @joeefenmama 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This guy is the only one on TH-cam that is an expert. Solid technical explanations with no baloney.

  • @sambec2665
    @sambec2665 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    No one usually explains these type of things and I thank you for that!

  • @tzodearf2596
    @tzodearf2596 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just tried this and it worked. Found it is easier to hear EQ fx in mono. Got greater clarity and was able to decide that one part of the track actually didn't need more bass. Belated thanks.

  • @mgrocki
    @mgrocki 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Not sure if you know Graham from the channel The Recording Revolution, but he also goes into great detail on this subject (not with metal or hardcore though), so glad to hear your take on it from a metalhead perspective!

    • @hardcoremusicstudio
      @hardcoremusicstudio  5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Of course, Graham is a friend!

    • @Metallicon13
      @Metallicon13 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I found out about Jordan's channel from Graham, both are the best ever

  • @kalmkaos1465
    @kalmkaos1465 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Jman. Any chance you can do a full vid of an actual mix in mono and a breakdown of your moves to get it to sound epic?

  • @todfug
    @todfug 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've been using mono for mixing, and the point you made about focusing on the eq moves in mono rather than volume adjustments, I was totally overlooking that. Thank you for the info.

  • @nathanielhamilton5841
    @nathanielhamilton5841 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very informative vid! I didn't have a clue why people mixed in mono before watching this. Thanks!

  • @madmuso5
    @madmuso5 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great advice. Another reason to periodically switch to mono is to check the phase of virtual synths, for example, a lot of stereo synth patches fall apart when summed to mono due to the synth using haas type chorusing to achieve stereo spread (which has terrible mono compatibility). And for those finding that the sides of their mix become to loud once they switch back to stereo after mixing in mono, try tweaking the stereo pan law in your daw.

  • @iplaylespauls23
    @iplaylespauls23 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I followed this approach on a mix I've been working on and things got so much clearer and cleaner. Awesome video!

  • @boldbearStudios
    @boldbearStudios 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks Jordan!
    I've been mixing in mono (at least switching between stereo and mono 70% of the time mixing a song) for several years now and it was one of the best techniques I've learned!
    Wheather it's a grand piano or a drumset or a whole mix: if it doesn't sounds good in mono it will not (or even hardly) translate to different sound environments. Especially with the advent of (single stand alone) streaming boxes mono is becomming more important than ever.

    • @rmv2333
      @rmv2333 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sorry for the "beginner question" but, when you talk about mixing in mono you mean selecting the plugin you are going to use in its mono version instead of the stereo one and inserting it on the track you want to EQ?

    • @boldbearStudios
      @boldbearStudios 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@rmv2333 no reason to say sorry - I'm convinced that all kinds of questions will help everyone!
      Mixing in mono simply means that you take your signal on the master buss and collaps it to mono. As a result you're going to listen to your mix in mono. Some DAWs can handle that natively (I'm using Reaper, which does): you just need to press the MONO button on the master buss. In other DAWs you'll need to engage a plugin like A1StereoControl on the master buss. Simple as that!
      One crucial thing though: you could also listen in mono by simply muting the left or right channel of a stereo signal. BUT that won't work here! The mono signal must result from the summation of both channels, therefore the MONO button or the plugin! This ensures that the volume of all tracks is included in the mono signal. Beyond that, phase related problems (e.g. partial cancellation of signals) become audible only like this.
      Cheers, Bernd!

    • @rmv2333
      @rmv2333 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@boldbearStudios thanks so much! I'm using Cubase but I don't know if it has that button to switch from mono to stereo but I'll check it out. Anyway, is there any waves plugin that can do the trick as well? I'd like to try this approach. Thanks again, dude! ;)

    • @boldbearStudios
      @boldbearStudios 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@rmv2333 As far as I know in Cubase on your stereo out buss you can switch from Stereo Balance Panner to Stereo Combined Panner. Set to zero it will make your mix mono.
      Concerning Waves, there is this plugin called S1 Stereo Enhance Plugin (a counterpart to the free A1StereoControl). You can also use it to make your tracks mono. www.waves.com/plugins/s1-stereo-imager
      Have fun mixing in mono, mate! :-)

    • @rmv2333
      @rmv2333 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@boldbearStudios ohh, I have that one! Thanks! I'm gonna try this tonight!

  • @dapliff
    @dapliff 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Finally someone explain it!!!! Thanks a lot man!!! Is clear now for me👍👍👍

  • @dennisvanopstal7360
    @dennisvanopstal7360 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I produce electronic music and never used Mono untill last year i bought a monitor controller (Drawmer CMC2) with a Mono button.
    I started checking my mixes on it and i recognised everything you just explained but i never understood why these volume differences occured.
    Sometimes its really bad, sometimes there is hardly any difference.
    Thanks for this very clear explaination 🤘

  • @JBauerProject
    @JBauerProject 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This works PERFECTLY! You the man! EQ Sweeping in Mono to see where the instruments that gets lost "POPS" out is the easiest way I got my guitars back. unreal.

  • @a.1111
    @a.1111 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ty for sharing these!

  • @listeningtothesky550
    @listeningtothesky550 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Helped my mix so much Thankyou

  • @kelvinfunkner
    @kelvinfunkner ปีที่แล้ว

    excellent explanation. I've been pushing the "mono check" soapbox for quite awhile...most mock it touting the stereo earbud world we live in, but as for me, checking in mono has only pushed my mixes to a better place in every way...including panning and effect decisions :-) thanks for waving the mono compatibility flag high!

  • @mattkirkhamm
    @mattkirkhamm 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    great tips again. i watched loads of your videos now. i also heard mix in mono and didnt know how or why. now i do. EQ in mono so it reveals all the overlaps

  • @AugustoHaack
    @AugustoHaack 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes!! Thank you Jordan!

  • @SlickRox
    @SlickRox 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Watching your vids for a few weeks now and I learned so much! Thank you 🙏🏼

  • @_war_cry
    @_war_cry 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very insightful. The mistake that I think I was making is I was leveling in mono.

  • @MasoudSargon
    @MasoudSargon ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video

  • @PeacewiththeGraces
    @PeacewiththeGraces 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What about doubling guitar tracks and they collapse in mono? Is that just really dialing in eq as well or can not much be done? It always just sounds flat.

  • @chevyboi91209
    @chevyboi91209 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You just made it make sense.

  • @canilhan98
    @canilhan98 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    cool wisdom. appreciated!

  • @y.j.a.5286
    @y.j.a.5286 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much 🙂!

  • @jaredt3985
    @jaredt3985 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man my problem right now is the bass guitar.
    When I bring it up in stereo to where it cuts through, it’s absolutely overwhelming in mono, buries everything, but when I level it in mono, it’s gone in stereo.
    Obviously I need to get better at eq..

    • @gbigbo_zjebeezjeboo
      @gbigbo_zjebeezjeboo ปีที่แล้ว

      Any advise on how to solve that problem ?

    • @jaredt3985
      @jaredt3985 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you can afford it, I highly highly recommend URM Enhanced.
      It’s an online mixing school, which caters to metal.
      They have an entire course dedicated to controlling low end, game changing.

  • @yomoney2871
    @yomoney2871 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You just taught me something new.
    Thank you bro

  • @wbialy2695
    @wbialy2695 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you

  • @DreErdna
    @DreErdna 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. Once again just proves how important listening.

  • @Andrew_Renko
    @Andrew_Renko 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this useful video. It is amazing

  • @robelnegash4382
    @robelnegash4382 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great explanation

  • @Fire-Toolz
    @Fire-Toolz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    there are a lot of videos online about the importance of mixing in mono, and they're all valid. but they typically neglect to talk about the fact that you absolutely cannot complete an entire mix start to finish in mono. if you did that, you'd be completely bypassing seeing how your panning sounds, and you wouldn't be able to hear any stereo image from any of your stereo tracks or processing. mixing in stereo is enormously vital. it just shouldn't make up the entire mixing process, for all the reasons you've mentioned. for me, i typically check my mixes in mono while mixing, but i keep things in stereo most of the time and don't seem to have any problems. i guess it's just because i'm ultra conscious of the problems you're talking about and have been since i started doing this work. however i find mixing in mono almost intolerable if it's being done for long periods of time. especially with the experimental electronic music i often work on. people generally know that stuff is MADE for headphones or a good wide image. of course you're gonna be outta luck with a bluetooth speaker or a super market but that kind of music isn't made for those environments most of the time.

  • @erotomania91
    @erotomania91 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Such an awesome piece of advice though, as usual.

    • @sambec2665
      @sambec2665 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sup oz!

    • @erotomania91
      @erotomania91 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sambec2665 haha hey dude! You watch Jordan as well??

    • @sambec2665
      @sambec2665 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup, a friend just recommended me his channel

    • @erotomania91
      @erotomania91 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      He is awesome dude, you will get great advice from him.

  • @markuspanitz3448
    @markuspanitz3448 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The issue I have with this concept is, that I have never seen someone demonstrate this in heavy music. Everyone is just talking about this. Whenever I try this concept myself, all leads and synth parts poke out like crazy and my rhythm guitars get buried. In all videos about mixing heavy guitars (including this channel) the only applied eq to main rhythm guitars is just hi- and lo-pass filtering with some additional dips for annoying frequencies. So that leads me to the conclusion that all other tracks in the mix must have some sort of eq carving related to the mono mixing, is that correct? Jordan, could you maybe create a short demonstration video of your workflow regarding mixing in mono? I would really love to see the actual execution of this concept.

  • @flamersss
    @flamersss 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So when I turn my mix into mono, and stuff disappeared that I panned in stereo etc, reverb, doubler , chorus etc, do I turn it up more to make it heard in mono? Or what do u do when stuff disappears when switched to mono

  • @sambec2665
    @sambec2665 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes! Sometimes it is better to listen to someone's opinion rather than looking at a tutorial, you know that sometimes, things can be deceiving and when you go and try it for yourself, it doesn't work, its better to analyze the logic behind mixing moves rather than cutting the low end on each and every one of your tracks just cuz someone said it works XD

  • @maximedumont2124
    @maximedumont2124 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    and when i switch after from mono to stereo, wouaahhh !

  • @mikedixon8830
    @mikedixon8830 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Got me thinking. Good vid.

  • @chris_demetriou
    @chris_demetriou 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Will this fix mix translation issues? Issue i currently face is mix sounds good on my cans. Suddently flip to Sonarworks APods and theres really harsh top end freqencies

  • @GoldenProductions2019
    @GoldenProductions2019 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey man thanks for the tip

  • @maxwellrichter441
    @maxwellrichter441 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So I want to keep everything in mono straight up the middle for the whole process and then pan all the mono tracks at the very end?

    • @sbz8620
      @sbz8620 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is what im wondering also

  • @Sammgm
    @Sammgm ปีที่แล้ว

    When you're noticing these masking issues, do you usually reach for an EQ boost on the 'masked track' or do you try cutting the other instruments (or a combination)? I'm noticing this a lot with drums under heavy guitars atm.

  • @AmagrasMUSIC
    @AmagrasMUSIC 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Enjoying

  • @BartowBunny
    @BartowBunny ปีที่แล้ว

    wow bro

  • @JulesCalella
    @JulesCalella 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do you balance the levels at least a little bit at first? Like how do you know its an EQ problem and not an overall volume problem?

    • @sKarredtoon
      @sKarredtoon 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      You go back and forth and adjust as necessary.

  • @melona3727
    @melona3727 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Vid :)

  • @heavymetalmixer91
    @heavymetalmixer91 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mmm, certainly mixing in Mono is good for EQ but not for toher stuff, I made the mistake in the past of doing everything in Mono, and after going to Stereo the sides had too much volume.

    • @hardcoremusicstudio
      @hardcoremusicstudio  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      exactly! I believe you should still do your balancing & other moves in stereo, but work on the EQ and frequency separation in mono

  • @cryptonios
    @cryptonios 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    hey Jordan, do you continue to mix in mono after putting fx stereo sends?

    • @hardcoremusicstudio
      @hardcoremusicstudio  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'll check it, but mostly no, I'm just doing the initial EQ work before adding my FX

    • @cryptonios
      @cryptonios 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      many thanks for your reply

  • @DreErdna
    @DreErdna 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like mono it sounds cool but stereo is kewler haha :)

  • @nbl95
    @nbl95 ปีที่แล้ว

    The deal is that it's not 1965 anymore and basically everyone has 2 airpods or 2 car speakers and mono is basically bullshit- Just my opinion. Does it "help you judge the sound"? Yes- until you turn it off and hear your stereo panned elements absolutely blasting too hard because in mono they sounded to quiet

  • @zakkforchilli
    @zakkforchilli 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would you create a master mix bus for like parallel compression when you switch to mono? Does compression effect any EQ moves you're going for?

    • @zakkforchilli
      @zakkforchilli 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I say this, because it splits it in logic, and hides and deactivates your stereo out plugins

  • @sammytheman8994
    @sammytheman8994 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    To make the whole mix in mono can you just throw a mono plugin switch on the master fader?

    • @chrisbudde2979
      @chrisbudde2979 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      yeah you can

    • @boldbearStudios
      @boldbearStudios 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      absolutely!

    • @vanechka222
      @vanechka222 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s the way I do it, bypass it when I need stereo

  • @OneManCoverBand1
    @OneManCoverBand1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    when doing double tracks is it best to use 2 different sounds (different amp, cab and/or guitar) for better separation or is it purely just playing the part as tight as possible?

    • @hardcoremusicstudio
      @hardcoremusicstudio  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I use the same chain for my main left and right guitars, no changes. Yes, tight as possible

  • @thimovijfschaft3271
    @thimovijfschaft3271 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have this weird issue that my mix sound very simular and comparable to proffecional mixes on headphones, but completely loses against proffecional mixes when I want to let people here it on my laptop speakers. Do you know what tge issue can be?

    • @odens.enjoyer
      @odens.enjoyer 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      lmao laptop speakers are trash, that's why it sounds bad.

    • @hardcoremusicstudio
      @hardcoremusicstudio  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      sounds like the exact issue I'm talking about. Your headphones give you lots of low and high end, and so it might sound as exciting as pro mixes on headphones. But then on your laptop speakers you've only got midrange.

  • @justmusiciaan
    @justmusiciaan ปีที่แล้ว

    Is it Gigachad himself??!?!!?!!?!?

  • @bkroper26
    @bkroper26 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My question is, after mixing my tracks for my newer album, my mono and stereo isn't very different at all in sound.. is that good or not so good?

    • @Fire-Toolz
      @Fire-Toolz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      it could be a bad sign or it could be a good sign. i think it depends on the style of music, how many instruments and layers are there, and what youre going for. it's always best to have a nice wide final product though. so if you're listening in mono and the width of the stereo image doesn't seem to collapse, then it's possible your mix sounds mono because you've panned everything to the center. do you have anything panned out? do you have any elements with a wide stereo image, like a stereo synth, or any stereo reverbs or delays? if not, you may need to incorporate some of that to give your mix a more epic sound, with some depth and width to it.

    • @Fire-Toolz
      @Fire-Toolz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      mixing in mono is great, and jordan is right, but you can't do an entire mix in mono and call it a day. you're ignoring an entire dimension that absolutely needs to be addressed and refined. mixing in mono is to help you get the general framework completed. but when it's time to work with panning and stereo processing, you can't do that in mono. you simply just absolutely cannot. you HAVE to mix in stereo before you're done your mix, hands down, no questions asked.

  • @JoaoVitor-nq1bu
    @JoaoVitor-nq1bu 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I tried doing it before, but whenever I colapse my mixes to mono, the rhythm guitars and vocal doubles that are panned hard completely disappear. How can I prevent that from happening?

    • @KeepTheGates
      @KeepTheGates 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You're experiencing phase cancellation. Are you taking the same track, duplicating it, then hard panning left and right? If you track separate takes for each side, I'd think they shouldn't cancel.

    • @JoaoVitor-nq1bu
      @JoaoVitor-nq1bu 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KeepTheGates They are different takes, that's why I'm finding it weird. They souldn't cancel unless they were the same performance. Anyway, thanks a lot for answering.

    • @KeepTheGates
      @KeepTheGates 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Does it still happen if you turn them way up?

    • @JoaoVitor-nq1bu
      @JoaoVitor-nq1bu 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KeepTheGates Not sure, gonna give it a try.

    • @germanbushin9723
      @germanbushin9723 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I know this comment is a bit old, but I was worrying about that stuff a lot lately, until I saw an advice on a forum to listen to some of my favorite professional mixes in mono. I checked a lot of pop punk bands like Mayday Parade, You Me At Six, bands like that, and tried listening in mono. I found out that the guitars collapse, in every single case. Of course they don't disappear, but they do sound weak.
      The way I see it - I think there's not much you can do about it, rock music with hard panned double tracked guitars is just best enjoyed in stereo.

  • @reggiejay1773
    @reggiejay1773 ปีที่แล้ว

    I swear by mono mixing.

  • @stephenjimenez6129
    @stephenjimenez6129 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Okay understood, yet sadly (my opinion ), the dumbing down of audio/music started when a/d conversion began has compromised the purity of real music created by real musicians that play real instruments. Data compression, Mp3, smart phones, and now the tiny mono speaker has become the ‘given’ for our music pleasure, not to forget the advent of pushing a button to activate the loop/sample/beat another dude created, yet you call it yours because you bought the license to use. People call them selves artists yet they are nothing more than digital jukebox sample operators with man-buns. Hope I wasn’t respectful.

    • @stephenjimenez6129
      @stephenjimenez6129 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s all ya got

    • @danielwetzel7777
      @danielwetzel7777 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah that was lame. Go practice some guitar scales bud

    • @stephenjimenez6129
      @stephenjimenez6129 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@danielwetzel7777 yeah most definitely. Y’all go practice pressing that button thing. Try some inversions too, or tempo thangs while you’re at it.