That's just objectively wrong lol if u don't like Kd that's cool but to he ain't shit while being one of the greatest scores to ever touch a basketball is straight diabolical😂@@russellgeorge433
Draymond was more impactful for the Warriors than Klay. Top 10 all-time defender, a great passer, a very good rebounder, the best screen setter on the team and had a couple seasons where he was a very serviceable scorer.
@@adnanojd Yes. I understand that people love to act like great defense doesn't exist anymore, but it does and Draymond was the best defender of his generation.
dray needs those two shooters to be draymond. Klay can be klay anywhere. You can't replace that. I can imagine dozens of other players who can do better at draymond's job if you gave him those two shooters.
@@howitzdone8992 any player that can do 2 of these 3 things, pass, shoot and defend. It don't need to be of the mold of draymond. Those two are flexible, they can win with any style of good player. Do any of those 2 and klay and steph can win a chip. Example, prime andre, prime boris diaw, Even just replace dray for mullin and findind dudes to fill up the roster spot would still yield the same results. Maybe they'll lose on defense but their scoring would explode cus he's a better shooter and passer. Even kris middleton. with those 2 will look 10 times better.
But KD hasn't done enough without the Warriors even playing on stacked teams. KD has played with more hall of fame teammates than alot of other players and has still only won with Golden State
Draymond green does more than Klay in that warriors system so wth are they talking about?? He’s the best defender on the team. Top 2 playmaker and the best passer. Klay isn’t the best at anything on the warriors. Draymond plays the 5, can guard the teams best player, and can anchor an elite defense. Del and Ox just simply don’t like Draymond. And for del to say klay is better than draymond right now is just funny.
Draymond Green would be invisible playing next to a Lebron, Luka, Harden, Kyrie, Dame type player. He literally wouldn't have ANY role on offense playing next to anyone other than Steph, that "point forward" nonsense wouldn't be applied. Draymond "unlocking" people with his passing is such a canard. Making passes off the short roll playing 4 v 3 basketball and faking DHO's because of Steph's gravity isn't "point forwarding" I respect Draymond's ability to make the right pass and make it accurately while playing 4 v 3 but his passing and it's impact are WAYYYYYYYYYYY overstated. Big props to dude using the Lebron hypothetical to illustrate who Draymond is as a player.
People forget that Klay was an elite two way Guard during the warriors championship runs(plural). AMAZING offense and AMAZING Defense. He was by far the second best player on those warriors teams.
They love to say Draymond is the primary ball handler when it’s time to argue for Steph being an all time great PG but can’t give draymond his props for being a far better ball handler and passer than Klay. Nasty work
Klay was the key cog in the most pivotal games/series within the Warriors dynasty…I think a prime reference point is the confidence the Warriors had as far as the ability to win the chip against Toronto in the absence of KD…when Klay got injured we all know there was no chance of winning, mind you Dray was still healthy…we also have a sample size of partial and full seasons without Klay and a healthy Draymond and the Warriors struggled mightily…Klay>Draymond
the warriors would probably lose without either klay or draymond. but if i had to choose to replace one player in their peak to still contend? you can replace klay more than you could dray. draymond was essential to the warriors success, second most important player on the team in my opinion.
Before steve ker got there under mark jackson draymond was a solid role player not good not great but solid once steve kerr came and turn the team into a system and dray started to work his way in the starting line up they saw that he could defend rebound and pass david lee was dealing with injuries in the 2014 season so they just put draymond in the starting 5 .
The disrespect Draymond gets is absurb. You can blame the Charles Barkley Kool-Aid. Draymond put up 4 points, 12 rebounds, 10 assists, 10 steals, and 5 blocks in ONE GAME!!! He is the closest to a QUINTUPLE-DOUBLE GAME EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE NBA!!! That should tell you his value!
Crazy seeing people give draymond his credit now I’ve been saying how good dray was and people say he’s trash cus he’s not a good shooter and a dirty player well so was Dennis Rodman and he’s a hof. So is dray
Golden in the Steph, Klay and Draymond era NEVER made the playoffs without Klay. Legit never. Its Klay and its not even close. Always defended teams best player and argubly the 2n or 3rd best shooter all time. Even when he was a 3rd option giving you 20+ a night. Klay disrespect is insane to me
The disrespect for Klay is crazy 2 way player before the injury 20 point scorer 2nd best shooter clutch shooter guarded the best other player his movement with out the ball is elite him and Steph come on bro I’ll pick prime klay
@@MindfulAttraction2.0 draymond might be the most unique player in history and him and Steph are literally perfect complements to each other. Idk how you would begin to replace that
@@cartergammage1540 yea but i can see a good passer WHO CAN SHOOT making this offense more unstoppable than with draymond. He's more replaceable. for example, I can see boris diaw (who's a better passer, who playd center and sf, and guarded lebron well),
Chill they didn't have insight the wanted to do it with curry and the doctors stopped it because of his ankles thats why monte was traded jerry west is also the reason klay and steph were not traded multiple times
I’m not saying dray is easily replaceable by no means but if u look me in the face and say u can find a shooter IN THEIR PRIME better than Klay that’s not named Steph curry who also plays elite defense your bugging it SOOOO MUCH HARDER to find somebody to do Klay job than draymond u have to find somebody who can complete the PRIME splash bros back court compared to finding a guy who has to a defensive floor general like draymond their are prototypes out their for dray I can name I can’t name u anybody again probably IN HISTORY who coulda did what Klay did next to Steph to fulfill that backcourt duo
It’s crazy how overrated Draymond has become because guys like marz want to sound smarter than everyone. All this “you can’t replace Draymonds value as a point forward/distributor” is such nonsense. Draymonds passing/distributing is just him standing at the top of they key, letting curry/Klay/KD run their off ball actions and then throwing them an easy pass after they get wide open. Damn near anybody can do it. Bogut did it, pachulia did it, Livingston, igoudala, it’s not hard. And in transition he was actually terrible. He constantly threw balls out of bounds, made way more bad passes and turnovers than good passes in transition. The reason he was the guy they had passing the ball in those scenarios is because he was so terrible at everything else offensively that he had to do that to be able to stay on the floor. Calling Draymond a playmaker is just insanity. He gets assists and makes easy passes based on all his teammates drawing attention/making plays, he’s literally the opposite of a playmaker. He’s the guy benefiting from others making plays.
Split action is Draymond in the post holding the ball and waiting for a guy to come off a pin down so he can pass to an open guy shooting the ball. Literally anybody can do that
Yeah, Iggy, Livingston, Bogut and Pachulia can make those reads.... But how many of those players can make those reads while being an elite defender who can switch 1 through 5? Because that's why Draymond was so valuable. With him on the court, you had a guy that could make passes to open shooters and defenders multiple positions. The only thing he couldn't do was score. And he more than understood it and compensated for it with other parts of his game, plus some of the nastiest moving screens I have ever seen to get players even more open.
@@elevatorelliot714 what you mean outside of that no. Cutting is still off ball movement and he's great at it lol. Lebron does and can play off the ball. Did you watch when he was in Miami and when he came back to Cleveland those years? Having LBJ off the ball is not a stupid idea either far from it.
@@TheIcemanthomas we’re talking about the warriors, not the 76ers. Steph and Rick Barry are/were unquestionably better for the franchise, KD was arguably the best player on a team that won back to back titles(and is likely the best team of all-time) and Draymond anchored the defense (8 all defense teams and 1 dpoy) of one of the great dynasties in league history. Wilt, especially early in his career, was a black hole on offense who 1. didnt win with the warriors and 2. Only played 5 and a half seasons with the warriors.
They put Wilt 2nd based of 3 years but didn't even consider KD for his 3 years for 3rd??? I was hearing monte Ellis before KD ???
Kd ain't shit brah
Rick barry
That's just objectively wrong lol if u don't like Kd that's cool but to he ain't shit while being one of the greatest scores to ever touch a basketball is straight diabolical😂@@russellgeorge433
They were the Philadelphia Warriors before so he actually played 5.5 seasons with the Warriors franchise.
@@retrey63 he won mvps and had all time peak years in those years sir. Those weren’t just any few years. Lol
The fact that RICK BARRY wasnt a clear 3rd is absolutely disgusting.
How can guys that played ball not understand draymond is more important than klay
Man exactly
That's is debatable. Neither are stars .
These podcast in the past few years has made it really clear to me that playing ball doesn’t give you the ability to evaluate the game at all.
@@joshuad24exactly
@@joshuad24been saying this. The volume of terrible takes from great hoopers is astounding
Draymond was more impactful for the Warriors than Klay. Top 10 all-time defender, a great passer, a very good rebounder, the best screen setter on the team and had a couple seasons where he was a very serviceable scorer.
Top 10 all time defender? lol
@@adnanojd
Yes. I understand that people love to act like great defense doesn't exist anymore, but it does and Draymond was the best defender of his generation.
and klay is top 3 shooter ever, an all nba defender and one of the greatest off ball player. He's more unique
@@justsayin669top 10 is tough I do think he’s top 15
@@justsayin669 he was not better than prime kawhi cut the bs
I genuinely think casuals don’t understand how to analyze what draymond did for that team
They don’t
They really don’t. Draymond is a top 5 passer in the NBA still. As a big he’s 3rd after Bron and Jokic.
@@DJ-ys9pvlets calm down he is a great passer but he is not a better passer than luka trae young
@@packetraiin5936 he said as a big
@@fatman3177 draymond isnt a big
dray needs those two shooters to be draymond. Klay can be klay anywhere. You can't replace that. I can imagine dozens of other players who can do better at draymond's job if you gave him those two shooters.
Name them
@@howitzdone8992 As soon as he does, his comment will become invalid, so he won't
@@howitzdone8992 any player that can do 2 of these 3 things, pass, shoot and defend. It don't need to be of the mold of draymond. Those two are flexible, they can win with any style of good player. Do any of those 2 and klay and steph can win a chip. Example, prime andre, prime boris diaw, Even just replace dray for mullin and findind dudes to fill up the roster spot would still yield the same results. Maybe they'll lose on defense but their scoring would explode cus he's a better shooter and passer. Even kris middleton. with those 2 will look 10 times better.
even joakim noah! holy shit. He finished fourth in the NBA MVP voting for the 2013-2014 season.
@@Pswayze23 pau gasol, Great passer, defender and better shooter
i wish i was here for this discussion
They to far or sum?
Capp
Not having KD in the top 3 is insane 🤣 people really just wanna erase KD from history
Especially since they brought up Ellis
You’re impact is less when the team was already winning
@@Sdotbdotghost no it isn’t. We saw KD dominate nearly every series he played for GSW. He was their closer he was the one they went to for big shots
Rick Barry Warrior > KD Warrior
But KD hasn't done enough without the Warriors even playing on stacked teams. KD has played with more hall of fame teammates than alot of other players and has still only won with Golden State
Draymond green does more than Klay in that warriors system so wth are they talking about?? He’s the best defender on the team. Top 2 playmaker and the best passer. Klay isn’t the best at anything on the warriors. Draymond plays the 5, can guard the teams best player, and can anchor an elite defense. Del and Ox just simply don’t like Draymond. And for del to say klay is better than draymond right now is just funny.
Chris Mullin was better at basketball than Klay and Dray but both are more important for the franchise
Chris Mullin not a better player than prime Klay Thompson.
Draymond Green would be invisible playing next to a Lebron, Luka, Harden, Kyrie, Dame type player.
He literally wouldn't have ANY role on offense playing next to anyone other than Steph, that "point forward" nonsense wouldn't be applied.
Draymond "unlocking" people with his passing is such a canard. Making passes off the short roll playing 4 v 3 basketball and faking DHO's because of Steph's gravity isn't "point forwarding"
I respect Draymond's ability to make the right pass and make it accurately while playing 4 v 3 but his passing and it's impact are WAYYYYYYYYYYY overstated.
Big props to dude using the Lebron hypothetical to illustrate who Draymond is as a player.
All those guys you named know how to only play 1 way and that's why only 1 of them is successful as far as legacy context goes.
People forget that Klay was an elite two way Guard during the warriors championship runs(plural). AMAZING offense and AMAZING Defense. He was by far the second best player on those warriors teams.
You cant have a good discussion with this many people on a podcast yelling over each other
Rick Barry’s second season in the league he averaged 37ppg and 9 boards 😂😂
Kd for sure 3 years two chips two finals mvp
Rick Barry is third. Smh
1.curry
2. Rick Barry
3. KD
Chilltown:"longevity matters when you talking about an all time great man"
Chilltown: magic is the greatest laker ever"
They love to say Draymond is the primary ball handler when it’s time to argue for Steph being an all time great PG but can’t give draymond his props for being a far better ball handler and passer than Klay. Nasty work
Klay was the key cog in the most pivotal games/series within the Warriors dynasty…I think a prime reference point is the confidence the Warriors had as far as the ability to win the chip against Toronto in the absence of KD…when Klay got injured we all know there was no chance of winning, mind you Dray was still healthy…we also have a sample size of partial and full seasons without Klay and a healthy Draymond and the Warriors struggled mightily…Klay>Draymond
Joking right? Klay was obviously the second leader for the Warriors dynasty. Their called the Splash Brothers and Draymond for a reason
Draymonds more important than play 😂😂😂😂
Klay was no second leader on that team 😂 ima name Iggy as a leader before I do klay
Yall BUGGING for saying wes matthews or kcp could repalce klay. MAYBE if it was like bradley beal but klay was also a elite defender
the warriors would probably lose without either klay or draymond. but if i had to choose to replace one player in their peak to still contend? you can replace klay more than you could dray. draymond was essential to the warriors success, second most important player on the team in my opinion.
Was Rick Barry not a great warrior? Am I missing something? He played 6 years for the warriors got them a chip
Donte literally played Klays role , you can’t find another Draymond his iQ is what separates him .
Before steve ker got there under mark jackson draymond was a solid role player not good not great but solid once steve kerr came and turn the team into a system and dray started to work his way in the starting line up they saw that he could defend rebound and pass david lee was dealing with injuries in the 2014 season so they just put draymond in the starting 5 .
Steph, Wilt, Rick, Mullin and Sprewekl
The disrespect Draymond gets is absurb. You can blame the Charles Barkley Kool-Aid. Draymond put up 4 points, 12 rebounds, 10 assists, 10 steals, and 5 blocks in ONE GAME!!! He is the closest to a QUINTUPLE-DOUBLE GAME EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE NBA!!! That should tell you his value!
There’s Some serious blasphemy about Draymond being said in this video lol
same dude who said j will was a top 5 playmaker/ passer downplaying draymond role lol
Crazy seeing people give draymond his credit now I’ve been saying how good dray was and people say he’s trash cus he’s not a good shooter and a dirty player well so was Dennis Rodman and he’s a hof. So is dray
Top 5 warriors all time is easy.
Curry, chamberlain, Barry, mullin, Thurmond
I’d go klay then mullin but THANK you for including Rick
To even ask is disrespectful it’s Draymond hands down
Man I agree with Ox and Dale and on Klay
Golden in the Steph, Klay and Draymond era NEVER made the playoffs without Klay. Legit never. Its Klay and its not even close.
Always defended teams best player and argubly the 2n or 3rd best shooter all time. Even when he was a 3rd option giving you 20+ a night.
Klay disrespect is insane to me
The disrespect for Klay is crazy 2 way player before the injury 20 point scorer 2nd best shooter clutch shooter guarded the best other player his movement with out the ball is elite him and Steph come on bro I’ll pick prime klay
Ox just be smiling & laughing after asking the questions😭
These guy's be making the most simplicit "debate" seem difficult.
It's quite easy...
Wilt
Barry
Steph
In whatever order.
they are the greatest backcourt in nba history. You can't replace that. You can easily replace dray imo
@@MindfulAttraction2.0 draymond might be the most unique player in history and him and Steph are literally perfect complements to each other. Idk how you would begin to replace that
You cannot replace Draymond. Are you dumb? He’s literally the Steph of defense lol. They need each other lol
@@cartergammage1540 yea but i can see a good passer WHO CAN SHOOT making this offense more unstoppable than with draymond. He's more replaceable. for example, I can see boris diaw (who's a better passer, who playd center and sf, and guarded lebron well),
@@MindfulAttraction2.0😂😂Boris diaw On defense
@@MindfulAttraction2.0um what about defense?
Chill they didn't have insight the wanted to do it with curry and the doctors stopped it because of his ankles thats why monte was traded jerry west is also the reason klay and steph were not traded multiple times
Tim Hardaway, Mitch Richmond, and Chris Mullin come before draymond...
I’m not saying dray is easily replaceable by no means but if u look me in the face and say u can find a shooter IN THEIR PRIME better than Klay that’s not named Steph curry who also plays elite defense your bugging it SOOOO MUCH HARDER to find somebody to do Klay job than draymond u have to find somebody who can complete the PRIME splash bros back court compared to finding a guy who has to a defensive floor general like draymond their are prototypes out their for dray I can name I can’t name u anybody again probably IN HISTORY who coulda did what Klay did next to Steph to fulfill that backcourt duo
KD amd its not even close
Nate thurmand
Best feets in this clip is oldman
no KD? lmao
It’s crazy how overrated Draymond has become because guys like marz want to sound smarter than everyone. All this “you can’t replace Draymonds value as a point forward/distributor” is such nonsense. Draymonds passing/distributing is just him standing at the top of they key, letting curry/Klay/KD run their off ball actions and then throwing them an easy pass after they get wide open. Damn near anybody can do it. Bogut did it, pachulia did it, Livingston, igoudala, it’s not hard. And in transition he was actually terrible. He constantly threw balls out of bounds, made way more bad passes and turnovers than good passes in transition. The reason he was the guy they had passing the ball in those scenarios is because he was so terrible at everything else offensively that he had to do that to be able to stay on the floor. Calling Draymond a playmaker is just insanity. He gets assists and makes easy passes based on all his teammates drawing attention/making plays, he’s literally the opposite of a playmaker. He’s the guy benefiting from others making plays.
Facts, all of this is ridiculous.
Split action is Draymond in the post holding the ball and waiting for a guy to come off a pin down so he can pass to an open guy shooting the ball.
Literally anybody can do that
Yeah, Iggy, Livingston, Bogut and Pachulia can make those reads....
But how many of those players can make those reads while being an elite defender who can switch 1 through 5?
Because that's why Draymond was so valuable. With him on the court, you had a guy that could make passes to open shooters and defenders multiple positions.
The only thing he couldn't do was score. And he more than understood it and compensated for it with other parts of his game, plus some of the nastiest moving screens I have ever seen to get players even more open.
10:48 marz hitting the gym as we speak
Lebron dont be play off ball stop swipa.
Yes, he does. Lebron is a great cutter.
@@IAM-vr6xxOutside of that though, no. LeBron doesn’t play off ball nor would anyone be stupid enough to want him off ball
@@IAM-vr6xxno he’s not
@@DanteGoldz yes he is
@@elevatorelliot714 what you mean outside of that no. Cutting is still off ball movement and he's great at it lol. Lebron does and can play off the ball. Did you watch when he was in Miami and when he came back to Cleveland those years? Having LBJ off the ball is not a stupid idea either far from it.
It’s 1.Steph 2.Rick Barry 3. KD 4. Draymond 5. Wilt 6. Klay 7.Nate Thurmond 8. Chris Mullin
KD over Dray?
Wilt at 5 is ridiculous. Please stop
@@TheIcemanthomas we’re talking about the warriors, not the 76ers. Steph and Rick Barry are/were unquestionably better for the franchise, KD was arguably the best player on a team that won back to back titles(and is likely the best team of all-time) and Draymond anchored the defense (8 all defense teams and 1 dpoy) of one of the great dynasties in league history. Wilt, especially early in his career, was a black hole on offense who 1. didnt win with the warriors and 2. Only played 5 and a half seasons with the warriors.
@@DanteGoldz that one’s purely because of how they functioned when playing together. My heart says Draymond > KD but that’d be a lie.
@@jrg46 they won 2 without kd, 0 without draymond
Crashing out over Draymond Green is craaaazy
None of yall can dress lol
Draymond is one of the most overrated defenders.