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Learn a song in 1 hr. ! I can listen too a song once and play it 5 mins. after ward ! Well I have been playing drums for 45 years , so music composition and arrangements are child's play too me now! And about snare drum ring , always replace the batter head ( I always use Remo coated Ambassador with a floating Remo E-ring ) as soon as you start to see indentations and coating pop off! And use a 48 strand snare strainer , you get better buzzroll response!
Nice to see you work through that low snare tuning. I remember when I started learning the drums and watching tuning videos that made tuning look too easy, and then I’d try and it wouldn’t sound close at all. Actually watching you try something and go “Oh that sounds bad, let’s try something else” is super helpful. Thanks man!
Our ears can't make any sense of all the overtones and ringing of a drum when starting out. Eventually our ears start to understand and hear the musicality of it.
Hey Stephen, I think there's still one more "last resort" step, and that would be to check the snare beds. I bought a custom snare drum years ago that should have sounded great but had this weird buzz that just wouldn't go away. So I disassembled the drum and had a good look at the shell, and realized it had virtually no beds cut at all. Essentially the wires weren't able to hug the reso head as they should. After watching a couple videos on how to cut snare beds, I was able to take a file to the shell and get those beds to be a bit deeper. After that the wires fit more snugly and uniform the head, which got rid of that weird ring. I know this is a fairly unique scenario but since then, I've seen snares on the shelf at drum shops with no beds at all. So I've learned to always check my snare drums for adequate snare beds.
Another thing to remember about snare ring is that it will be significantly drowned out in a mix\full band setting. I remember recording a drum track that I was sure would sound terrible because of how ringy the snare was, but in the full mix you only heard a smidge of the ring and it sounded great. If I had over-dampened the snare so it didn't ring so much while tracking, it wouldn't have sounded so good in the final mix.
37 years playing drums. The one thing that helped me tune my snares better than anything was tuning the bottom head to "finger tight." Then tune the batter head. I never crank my resonant head. I get EXCELLENT results by just tuning the batter head tighter than the resonant and adjusting the snare tension. Saved me SO much time over the years.
Interesting, gonna try that, I've been loosening my snare side head little by little but gonna try that, I have a pdp steel snare that's super annoying
@@conradleffman8393 personally I don't know what the big deal is about hitting directly in the center of the drum. Yes, it gives a consistent tone but there are different tones in different parts of the head. My snares all have two distinct stick mark zones. My right stick hits center right and my left hits center left mainly because when I hit the snare with my left stick I essentially hit the head off center and hit the rim at the same time giving off a really nice pop. I like that tone better than just hitting the head in the center. And when I do a singles roll I essentially do the same with the right stick on the right side. Just off center. Just do you. Find the part of the head that gives you the tone you like and hit it there.
@@michaeldeloach838 I've always thought about this too, I really like to play around different areas of the snare at different times. I feel like having one tiny area that gets hit just means a lot of value from the snare is lost because many of it's sounds aren't being used.
Puresound wires are great... but those Cotter Pins will slip at the worst time possible and ruin your recording. Regular straps work just fine. I really enjoyed this epsidoe, though! Great job!
I agree with this 100% I bought a 20 thread Puresound brass that came with those "Quick shit" straps, and I couldn't actually never get them to sound properly. (As you showed in your video they get misaligned) so I swapped the straps for the oldschool vintage cords that I had on the old snare wires, and worked like a charm.
@@Chiroman527 No. A Drumdial, mechanically, measures the tension of the head at each lug. The Tunebot measures the tone produced by the drum. ...like a guitar tuner. Best of all worlds would be to get your tension even with a Drumdial then use a Tunebot to fine tune your tone. You can also just download an app to measure the tone. Though YMMV.
Thanks for the share of the drum dial value, there is also a way to manage that with sticker stich to the botom head, you can also tape the snare directly to the botom head but it muffle a lot.
The best way to get a great sound is to keep tuning, keep trying different things and keep recording each time and listen back. If you're in a hurry forget it this is going to take some time LOL
Judging my how ridiculously cranked his bottom head was, it sounds like he might have gotten that piece of awful advice from this video... YOU CAN TUNE YOUR SNARE RESO HEAD TOO HIGH. MOST PEOPLE DO.
I have the Puresound wires, but what's even better are the 42 strand ones made by Masshoff which I just recently discovered and the difference is huge!
1 additional note, adding a 2nd mic to the underside of the snare to catch more of the snare's snap, gives a slightly drier sound with more of a crack without compromising the tone. This will allow you to effectively mask the ring from the batter head.
last tip actually the most worthy, i recorded with my band 4 weeks ago and it was a hard to swallow pill that my snare practice isnt that good as i thought haha
63 here and I still ALWAYS go for tight top batter and a slightly more lower bottom head! Great sound and great speed!! A Tama tension watch has a reference that comes with for top and bottom heads per drum size that really helps including your snare that I like. Snare drum is a little different but in general all toms and such are tuned lower on the bottom slightly. keeps overtones and ring to a minimum!! Investing in one will get you to a point where you don't need to use it over time!! K I like dead ringers too Remo!!!
Great video. Two more tips before you replace the snare: 1) Replace the hoops 2) Have the bearing edge reground. Sometimes the bearing edge is either warped or inconsistent, or cut in a way that produces higher overtones. I wish you had also used a ring muffler and moongel, just to hear the difference on your particular snare. I stopped using moongel but love the thin hoop I got.
Thank you for this video! One interesting thing though, I have a Mapex Saturn III and my snare just never sounded quite right. It was when I LOWERED the snare side head a bit that it started to sound better. So I think on some snares, it actually helps not to crank the bottom head way up there. It's still tight, just not super cranked.
#10:52 Going by harmonics, this is a case of forced vibrations(resonance), and one cannot avoid the snare buzzing on a hit on the tom since toms are tuned and harmonized as well. The snare drum, being the heart of it, may be left with its best tuning. I liked the idea of sacrificing a little bit of tune with the toms in order to break the resonance...
I'm new to tuning drums .. I just started watching tunin video's lately. One thing that I just learned that is very important to me is where you said not to worry about tuning your resonant head to tight, just don't tune it too loose/low. That I will experiment with now. I'm glad you hit the bottom head and then the top head so that I now actually have something to work with. Before I turned on your video, I turned on my complete sound system here, good quality main speakers and 300 watt subwoofer so I think I got a good representation of what the actual sound is from that snare drum .. thank you for posting by the way.
Good video with clear explanation. I tuned my snare with a sponge between the snare holder and the snares of the snaredrum. Sounds exellent without ringing for studio recordings.
Take all the advice you can on drum tuning while becoming more prolific at it. Don't forget that new heads will almost always sound better. Seating the heads properly in the beginning also helps, especially if the shell has imperfections on the mating surface, some wax or a candle can smooth it out. I'm going to definitely try put the jangly thing. Great video!
I hated the way my snare made echo and ring tones , so I took your advice and put a jiggly bracelet on my snare Wow it sounds amazing now . Its like magic I love playing my snare again. I didn't need to do any other tuning thank you for the great advice .
I ditched the Moon Gel because it eventually breaks down into a gooey, sticky mess that's difficult to remove, especially from the coated heads I prefer for, y'know, the brushwork. I now use the Trutones drum dampers, and so far, very good. They're much tougher and more tear-resistant than Moon Gels and if anything, even stickier. The downside is they stick so hard to each other, they're a bit difficult to deploy. A little soap and s rinse recharges them if they get dusty/dirty.
another tip is to put a piece of felt the same width as the snare wires and about an inch in length to the bottom of your snare head, under the snare wires and centred. tightly tune the bottom head and tension the snare strainer, this will help especially when large amps make your snare rattle like crazy.
I play the snare drum a tiny bit higher than the centre with oak sticks. So its got more ring (Old school teacher) Evans Genera HD dry Hazy with the holes then cut a top muffling ring back to clear the holes by about 3mm. High bottom, medium high top head. Has worked well over the years for live using a old Pearl Export ELX 14 x 5 1/2 with the pure sound wires and had lots of sound engineers say it sounds great no problems. No ratyle no buzz. Have played in big/small venues and the sound guy has said "I almost turned the Mic off" 😮😂
Lots of great content in this one. Thanks. Consistent time is crucial for anything coming before or after the beat to "fit" as you practice different consistent dynamics. When your're in your car at a red light, slapping your leg, the sound in the slap should be absolutely identical to the music. The effect of the drums in the recording should sound like it came from your leg- always, every time.
Love this to help me understand my snare better. Only use the one drum and we do a type of street drumming / street performance which can cover up a lot until I'm at home and was like yikes 😣 so exploring as much as I can now. Thanks 🙏🏻
This video is aces!! My favorite of yours so far. Whatever magic you sprinkled on it works. And what JG Drums said. Beds are too often overlooked, as well as bearing edges.
Excellent video. Very deep stuff. Tuning your snare "out of tune (with itself)" for a more complex fuller tone(s), that helps kill the age old snare ringy problem. Wow. A++ Thank you for the insights!
My problem was resonation of a certain frequency. I tune the top head sharper than the lower head. That helps a lot. I also seen others tune the bottom head sharper. It depends on how long you want the ring. The main thing is that the head is tuned evenly. That's true for the toms too. You need a piccolo snare to get that Red Hot Chili Peppers sound. Wood sounds more marching band. Metal rims to me sounds best. He shows doing a few lugs loose. You can rip a head that way. I was brought up playing percussion in a Hispanic nightclub. Alternative, country, & metal drummers don't tune the same. I also use splash & Chinese cymbals in my set. I noticed he doesn't have them.
Hello! I like your videos. As a beginner I have a lot of questions.. for example, how do you protect your ears? What do you use? It would be great to get an advice from you :)
An interesting video. I play in a samba band and I put the snares on the top skin but without being too tight. A slightly rattly snare sound works with samba. Also I lay a rubber pad on the top skin to deaden a bad ring.
One more technic to reduce/eliminate over ring is on batter head after tuning up evenly is to: give a further slight 1/10th turn on the 9, 10, 11, 12 o Clock tuning lugs. Try it! Its insanely effective & doesn't compromise or chock the pitch.
hazy 300 snare side, 30 strand pure sound wires, evans hd dry batterside or remo reverse dot battter and two moon gels since the plastic evans e ring flys off when you play fast and hard
I did years ago take a wash cloth, wad it up, put it under the snare drum between the middle of the snares and the chrome stand. It works great to deaden snare ring . You are welcome 😀
Interesting as I too had to adjust my snare for the mics and the room. I actually have 2 snares a 14x5 and a 13x4 Both I dampened the heads with a tea towel. The 13x4 has a tight crisp snap that was actually too snappy so I placed a tissue (Kleenex) draped over the snare wires to dampen the contact. Turned out perfect on playback. So I'm happy.
On a 13" snare that sweet spot in the middle can be very small. When recording I've found things get much easier with a bit of moongel (1 or a half piece) gets me much more consistent results without killing the decay altogether. I try to use them as little as possible, but sometimes I just need it.
All good tips, I recommend the ambassador X head and the coated CS head also will have less nasty overtones than a regular ambassador and last longer Bonus!
there's one thing that vey few drummers think about to check is the build quality of the head rim. sometimes there's a little step where they're solded together. and that causes a bad sitting of the hoop on the head rim. bad contact = tuning nightmare and weird overtones. what i do in this case? i just take my good'ol trusty Dremel with high grain grinder and i flatten the step and i put one layer of paint tape all the way around on the top of the rim where the hoop is gonna sit. that tape layer will fill the little gaps and allow a full contact of both parts. result is night and day. you end up with a predictable easy to tune drum.
I have my snares head tuned tight with the snare wires tuned tight as well. In addition, I placed three small washcloths inside the drum to mute any resonance. Is this overkill? I'm looking for a tight snappy sound kind of like Alex Van Halens snare sound and it sounds good to me so far but is this overkill?
I had this dw design snare I could not make sound decent for the life of me. I ended up just selling it and buying a higher priced dw collectors snare. I agree it won’t always solve your problem, it did solve mine lol. It sounded fantastic out of the box
This is great but you can tune high for a snappy snare then just buy The Big Fat Snare Drum & The Green Monster (you can even layer them for a really dead low tone). Use these all the time.
When I still played acoustics, I used to take a piece of material, cut it about 3/4 of a inch wide, and about 6 - 8" long, take the head off, and place it under the head, close to the edge, did this with all my drums coz I hated the ring. The closer to the center of the drum you went, the less ring you had, close to the side was best. My favourite snare sounds are not possible playing at home coz theybe added compression to the snare in the studio, giving it a great sound. That's why I play Edrums now.
I have Puresound snare wires on a 13" Yamaha woodshell snare drum. My issue is the extremely long resonance of the wires. I had to realize that they don't even reach the reso head so they aren't getting dampened at all, but just buzzing together with the head. Do you have any idea how that could be solved?
Insightful and clear, but you might want to discuss the tuning of the resonant head, e.g. tightness/ looseness compared to batter. There’s a lot to explore on the dark side. Lol.
I finally decided after awhile that the Ambassador heads were not for me. I put Ambassador Xs on all my drums, and they're just too ringy all the way around, and they just take too much work to cut down on it. Especially on the bass drum. I'm gonna try some different heads now - I'm gonna use Steve Goold's setup of CS coated reverse black dot on the snare, Powerstroke 3 coated on the bass, and Emperor coated for the toms. However, I think Ambassadors would be awesome for jazz. If I were playing jazz, I would absolutely use Ambassadors.
At the tuning is important more so if you are playing alone with no backup music but with a whole band I think you need to tune what it sounds like with the whole band because the whole band will make the ringing almost negligible
I bought a Mendini snare drum for 90 dollars, is there a way to fix snare drums that are cheap, I can't adjust the tension on the snares because the cheap stand wobbled to much and fell and the plastic nob broke off, I always hit the center of the snare drum head, I just got it a month ago so its new, and I bought some vic firth drumsticks
Have you ever used a Drum Dial? I used to tune this way and it sux. A drum in tune with its self sounds way better. There are other ways to get rid of ring and over tone. Dead ringers work well. Tape some times. I use stick on pantie liners on the bottom of my floor toms and they sound great. Gels have their place also. Something I like, is using Evans hydraulic batter heads on the bottom of my rack toms. They look better because they come in colors and give the drum a more powerful sound with less ring.
I fixed mine . I put 2 gel tabs inside and I cut the edge off a t-shirt and placed it across the underneath the rim then tightened all up. There now it's fixed
Hey Stephen, I tried the "Equalizer" and I have send it back to the shop. The sound was worser than my actual snare wires. What helps it tuning the resonant head higher on one hand and also the snare tension until ratteling disappears.
If your snares are too tight it will choke the drum. I personally like an open, not choked snare sound, but not too ringy. I have a cheap snare that sounds and feels better than my expensive DW snare drum. The reason is not the shell. The reason is that it has only 8 lugs, and lighter weight lugs and hoops. It feels totally comfortable to play. Bigger isn't always better. Also, the weather will obviously affect the feel and sound of a snare drum.
I like my snare tight and poppy. I tighten the batter head about a half step lower than the resonant and tighten the snare wires as tight as I possibly can. Works for me
Steve Albini made a video where he explains the difference between tuning the top and the bottom equally or tuning one side higher/lower than the other side. I'm not a drummer but he explained it, so that everyone can understand.
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Learn a song in 1 hr. ! I can listen too a song once and play it 5 mins. after ward ! Well I have been playing drums for 45 years , so music composition and arrangements are child's play too me now! And about snare drum ring , always replace the batter head ( I always use Remo coated Ambassador with a floating
Remo E-ring ) as soon as you start to
see indentations and coating pop off! And use a 48 strand snare strainer , you get better buzzroll response!
Nice to see you work through that low snare tuning. I remember when I started learning the drums and watching tuning videos that made tuning look too easy, and then I’d try and it wouldn’t sound close at all. Actually watching you try something and go “Oh that sounds bad, let’s try something else” is super helpful. Thanks man!
Our ears can't make any sense of all the overtones and ringing of a drum when starting out. Eventually our ears start to understand and hear the musicality of it.
Exactly
Hey Stephen, I think there's still one more "last resort" step, and that would be to check the snare beds. I bought a custom snare drum years ago that should have sounded great but had this weird buzz that just wouldn't go away. So I disassembled the drum and had a good look at the shell, and realized it had virtually no beds cut at all.
Essentially the wires weren't able to hug the reso head as they should. After watching a couple videos on how to cut snare beds, I was able to take a file to the shell and get those beds to be a bit deeper. After that the wires fit more snugly and uniform the head, which got rid of that weird ring.
I know this is a fairly unique scenario but since then, I've seen snares on the shelf at drum shops with no beds at all. So I've learned to always check my snare drums for adequate snare beds.
Some snare beds are very wide and smoothed out so they're difficult to see unless you put the drum on a flat surface.
Another thing to remember about snare ring is that it will be significantly drowned out in a mix\full band setting. I remember recording a drum track that I was sure would sound terrible because of how ringy the snare was, but in the full mix you only heard a smidge of the ring and it sounded great. If I had over-dampened the snare so it didn't ring so much while tracking, it wouldn't have sounded so good in the final mix.
37 years playing drums. The one thing that helped me tune my snares better than anything was tuning the bottom head to "finger tight." Then tune the batter head. I never crank my resonant head. I get EXCELLENT results by just tuning the batter head tighter than the resonant and adjusting the snare tension. Saved me SO much time over the years.
Mate just tried your idea and it works a treat . The only difference I went half a turn above finger tight . thanks Pete
Interesting, gonna try that, I've been loosening my snare side head little by little but gonna try that, I have a pdp steel snare that's super annoying
@@stevepompei3694 It works really well with my Ludwig 6.5x14 steel snare. Cracks likes a Ludwig is supposed to. Sounds amazing!
I tried your trick! Best snare sound ever. Thanks!
Thanks for the tip.
Bad advice. It did not work with my electronic drumset.
Because on electronic drums you need to trust drum module on sound
@@BlackBallsImMyMouth dude he’s joking
@@BlackBallsImMyMouth woooooooooooosh
one could argue, electronic drums, are not drums ... at all
Sarcasm alert. ... I dont use bottom heads on my ellectric drumset so this wouldnt work for me either. D'OH
Subtle brag about hitting in the middle with that center dirt/worn mark. :D
Yh ikr, his are like a pinprick in the dead centre compared to mine, which have hit marks everywhere
@@conradleffman8393 personally I don't know what the big deal is about hitting directly in the center of the drum. Yes, it gives a consistent tone but there are different tones in different parts of the head. My snares all have two distinct stick mark zones. My right stick hits center right and my left hits center left mainly because when I hit the snare with my left stick I essentially hit the head off center and hit the rim at the same time giving off a really nice pop. I like that tone better than just hitting the head in the center. And when I do a singles roll I essentially do the same with the right stick on the right side. Just off center. Just do you. Find the part of the head that gives you the tone you like and hit it there.
@@michaeldeloach838 I've always thought about this too, I really like to play around different areas of the snare at different times. I feel like having one tiny area that gets hit just means a lot of value from the snare is lost because many of it's sounds aren't being used.
Puresound wires are great... but those Cotter Pins will slip at the worst time possible and ruin your recording. Regular straps work just fine. I really enjoyed this epsidoe, though! Great job!
I agree with this 100%
I bought a 20 thread Puresound brass that came with those "Quick shit" straps, and I couldn't actually never get them to sound properly. (As you showed in your video they get misaligned) so I swapped the straps for the oldschool vintage cords that I had on the old snare wires, and worked like a charm.
The last tip is the most important drum advice I heard in a while. Thank you!
I had a cheap set of hi hats that sounded bad until I learned how to play.
For drumdial users, I've found around 80 on the snare side works well for most tunings.
Drumdial solved my tuning problems. Before I kept hearing over tones and chasing them led nowhere. 88 on the top.
@@RalphWLundvall Hey Ralph, is a Tune Bot similar to a Drumdial?
@@Chiroman527 No. A Drumdial, mechanically, measures the tension of the head at each lug. The Tunebot measures the tone produced by the drum. ...like a guitar tuner. Best of all worlds would be to get your tension even with a Drumdial then use a Tunebot to fine tune your tone. You can also just download an app to measure the tone. Though YMMV.
Thanks for the share of the drum dial value, there is also a way to manage that with sticker stich to the botom head, you can also tape the snare directly to the botom head but it muffle a lot.
The best way to get a great sound is to keep tuning, keep trying different things and keep recording each time and listen back. If you're in a hurry forget it this is going to take some time LOL
The wear marks on this guys snare drum! Absolute control. Especially that tiny little spot in the center!
6:46 "cuz we wanna be dead right now" damn same
Lars should've watched this before recording St. Anger.
Lars problem is more than just drum tuning.
Judging my how ridiculously cranked his bottom head was, it sounds like he might have gotten that piece of awful advice from this video... YOU CAN TUNE YOUR SNARE RESO HEAD TOO HIGH. MOST PEOPLE DO.
You all need to step outside and stop being so negative.
You’re beating a dead horse
it was intended. And sound awesome. Something fresh in their output
I'm just a noob bassist trying to learn more about drums
great video!
I have the Puresound wires, but what's even better are the 42 strand ones made by Masshoff which I just recently discovered and the difference is huge!
big thanks for that Masshoff tip))
@@TheLeon1032 no problem you won't be disappointed! If you look them up on YT you'll find the demonstration video on how they sound!
Perfect timing, I've been dealing with this problem from my snare
1 additional note, adding a 2nd mic to the underside of the snare to catch more of the snare's snap, gives a slightly drier sound with more of a crack without compromising the tone. This will allow you to effectively mask the ring from the batter head.
last tip actually the most worthy, i recorded with my band 4 weeks ago and it was a hard to swallow pill that my snare practice isnt that good as i thought haha
As a person who knows nothing about drums, I found the video very logical and informative. Thank you.
63 here and I still ALWAYS go for tight top batter and a slightly more lower bottom head! Great sound and great speed!! A Tama tension watch has a reference that comes with for top and bottom heads per drum size that really helps including your snare that I like. Snare drum is a little different but in general all toms and such are tuned lower on the bottom slightly. keeps overtones and ring to a minimum!! Investing in one will get you to a point where you don't need to use it over time!! K I like dead ringers too Remo!!!
Great video. Two more tips before you replace the snare:
1) Replace the hoops
2) Have the bearing edge reground. Sometimes the bearing edge is either warped or inconsistent, or cut in a way that produces higher overtones.
I wish you had also used a ring muffler and moongel, just to hear the difference on your particular snare. I stopped using moongel but love the thin hoop I got.
I think the ring muffler (Gadd's ring) works like the bracelet
Stephen Clark adds on his snare : up and down.
Wood hoop on batter only seems to help on low tone.
Thank you for this video! One interesting thing though, I have a Mapex Saturn III and my snare just never sounded quite right. It was when I LOWERED the snare side head a bit that it started to sound better. So I think on some snares, it actually helps not to crank the bottom head way up there. It's still tight, just not super cranked.
#10:52
Going by harmonics, this is a case of forced vibrations(resonance), and one cannot avoid the snare buzzing on a hit on the tom since toms are tuned and harmonized as well.
The snare drum, being the heart of it, may be left with its best tuning. I liked the idea of sacrificing a little bit of tune with the toms in order to break the resonance...
The vicious cycle continues
I'm new to tuning drums .. I just started watching tunin video's lately. One thing that I just learned that is very important to me is where you said not to worry about tuning your resonant head to tight, just don't tune it too loose/low. That I will experiment with now. I'm glad you hit the bottom head and then the top head so that I now actually have something to work with.
Before I turned on your video, I turned on my complete sound system here, good quality main speakers and 300 watt subwoofer so I think I got a good representation of what the actual sound is from that snare drum .. thank you for posting by the way.
Good video with clear explanation. I tuned my snare with a sponge between the snare holder and the snares of the snaredrum. Sounds exellent without ringing for studio recordings.
Take all the advice you can on drum tuning while becoming more prolific at it. Don't forget that new heads will almost always sound better. Seating the heads properly in the beginning also helps, especially if the shell has imperfections on the mating surface, some wax or a candle can smooth it out. I'm going to definitely try put the jangly thing. Great video!
Prolific? Do you mean proficient? Prolific means you make or have a lot of something.
I hated the way my snare made echo and ring tones , so I took your advice and put a jiggly bracelet on my snare Wow it sounds amazing now . Its like magic I love playing my snare again. I didn't need to do any other tuning thank you for the great advice .
This is the best video I’ve found so far to get the snare sound just right. De-tuning one of the lugs makes a huge difference. Thanks!
I love an open ringing snare. I never get complaints because the head is usually in tune so the ring is nice and not annoying
I agree. Also you don't hear the ringing in recordings.
It boggles my mind that some engineers will always want to climb out of the ceiling if they hear a snare ring for 30ms.
I ditched the Moon Gel because it eventually breaks down into a gooey, sticky mess that's difficult to remove, especially from the coated heads I prefer for, y'know, the brushwork. I now use the Trutones drum dampers, and so far, very good. They're much tougher and more tear-resistant than Moon Gels and if anything, even stickier. The downside is they stick so hard to each other, they're a bit difficult to deploy. A little soap and s rinse recharges them if they get dusty/dirty.
Try drum dots
Great video, man.
another tip is to put a piece of felt the same width as the snare wires and about an inch in length to the bottom of your snare head, under the snare wires and centred. tightly tune the bottom head and tension the snare strainer, this will help especially when large amps make your snare rattle like crazy.
not usually a fan of lower tuned snares but yours sounds amazing. great video.🤘🏻🍻
I play the snare drum a tiny bit higher than the centre with oak sticks. So its got more ring (Old school teacher) Evans Genera HD dry Hazy with the holes then cut a top muffling ring back to clear the holes by about 3mm. High bottom, medium high top head. Has worked well over the years for live using a old Pearl Export ELX 14 x 5 1/2 with the pure sound wires and had lots of sound engineers say it sounds great no problems. No ratyle no buzz. Have played in big/small venues and the sound guy has said "I almost turned the Mic off" 😮😂
Lots of great content in this one. Thanks. Consistent time is crucial for anything coming before or after the beat to "fit" as you practice different consistent dynamics. When your're in your car at a red light, slapping your leg, the sound in the slap should be absolutely identical to the music. The effect of the drums in the recording should sound like it came from your leg- always, every time.
I had a ringy snare problem: I installed a "jingly metal thing" on it and it solved it: thanks for the tips!
Good video. Not what i was searching for but this absolutelty helps me with my second snare plans.
Thank you for making your first point about consistency!
Probably the best snare tuning tips video around, thanks!
Love this to help me understand my snare better. Only use the one drum and we do a type of street drumming / street performance which can cover up a lot until I'm at home and was like yikes 😣 so exploring as much as I can now. Thanks 🙏🏻
Oh man, this makes SO much more sense. Thank you so much!
This video is aces!! My favorite of yours so far. Whatever magic you sprinkled on it works. And what JG Drums said. Beds are too often overlooked, as well as bearing edges.
Excellent video. Very deep stuff. Tuning your snare "out of tune (with itself)" for a more complex fuller tone(s), that helps kill the age old snare ringy problem. Wow.
A++ Thank you for the insights!
I’m all about the art of tuning and it was cool to see some different ideas about tuning for different sounds. Very cool.
Question : I have an old 60's Slingerland snare with a metal shell ... ; can I line the inside shell with foam to give it a deep concert snare sound ?
My problem was resonation of a certain frequency. I tune the top head sharper than the lower head. That helps a lot. I also seen others tune the bottom head sharper. It depends on how long you want the ring. The main thing is that the head is tuned evenly. That's true for the toms too. You need a piccolo snare to get that Red Hot Chili Peppers sound. Wood sounds more marching band. Metal rims to me sounds best. He shows doing a few lugs loose. You can rip a head that way. I was brought up playing percussion in a Hispanic nightclub. Alternative, country, & metal drummers don't tune the same. I also use splash & Chinese cymbals in my set. I noticed he doesn't have them.
63 here and could not agree with you more! A Tama tension watch gives you parameters just like you said here. Nice job kid!!
Excellent video. Loved the metal bracelet on the snare. Nice quick effect/deadening for mid show snare sound change!
You’re doing incredible work my guy. You should be proud. Please keep it coming
Hello! I like your videos. As a beginner I have a lot of questions.. for example, how do you protect your ears? What do you use? It would be great to get an advice from you :)
An interesting video. I play in a samba band and I put the snares on the top skin but without being too tight. A slightly rattly snare sound works with samba. Also I lay a rubber pad on the top skin to deaden a bad ring.
Thank you this is exactly what I was looking for.
One more technic to reduce/eliminate over ring is on batter head after tuning up evenly is to: give a further slight 1/10th turn on the 9, 10, 11, 12 o Clock tuning lugs. Try it! Its insanely effective & doesn't compromise or chock the pitch.
I actually really love the sound in the beginning where you said "meeh.. too flat" What did you do there?
hazy 300 snare side, 30 strand pure sound wires, evans hd dry batterside or remo reverse dot battter and two moon gels since the plastic evans e ring flys off when you play fast and hard
Outstanding video Stephen. It was very thorough and provided helpful suggestions for reducing snare ring.
The low tuning is gonna to b a big help. I get frustrated with low tuning. Thx Jeff, really enjoy your channel 👍🤣👍👍👍
I put a piece of gel on the beater head, and another one on the resonant head, and it works wonderful.
I did years ago take a wash cloth, wad it up, put it under the snare drum between the middle of the snares and the chrome stand. It works great to deaden snare ring . You are welcome 😀
Interesting as I too had to adjust my snare for the mics and the room. I actually have 2 snares a 14x5 and a 13x4 Both I dampened the heads with a tea towel. The 13x4 has a tight crisp snap that was actually too snappy so I placed a tissue (Kleenex) draped over the snare wires to dampen the contact. Turned out perfect on playback. So I'm happy.
Thanx Stephen!!!Great tips for snare tuning!!!
On a 13" snare that sweet spot in the middle can be very small. When recording I've found things get much easier with a bit of moongel (1 or a half piece) gets me much more consistent results without killing the decay altogether. I try to use them as little as possible, but sometimes I just need it.
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Another amazing useful lesson Stephen ! Thank you ! Stay safe !!
Thank you very much for this video! I found it a massive help when tuning my own snare
Love Gavin Harrison’s snare sound. Perfect 👍
All good tips, I recommend the ambassador X head and the coated CS head also will have less nasty overtones than a regular ambassador and last longer Bonus!
there's one thing that vey few drummers think about to check is the build quality of the head rim. sometimes there's a little step where they're solded together. and that causes a bad sitting of the hoop on the head rim. bad contact = tuning nightmare and weird overtones.
what i do in this case? i just take my good'ol trusty Dremel with high grain grinder and i flatten the step and i put one layer of paint tape all the way around on the top of the rim where the hoop is gonna sit. that tape layer will fill the little gaps and allow a full contact of both parts. result is night and day. you end up with a predictable easy to tune drum.
I have my snares head tuned tight with the snare wires tuned tight as well. In addition, I placed three small washcloths inside the drum to mute any resonance. Is this overkill? I'm looking for a tight snappy sound kind of like Alex Van Halens snare sound and it sounds good to me so far but is this overkill?
This helped a lot, I nearly threw my snare out the window, no matter what I done I had this horrible buzz when tuned low
Any tips on making a snare lower volume? Without mesh heads.
Do you have a link for that jingly bracelet? Thx
That tone at the end with the low tuned snare took me right back to Lee Kerslake on Ozzy’s “Diary of a Madman” - The “Little Dolls” intro. Great tone.
Best video about this topic so far!
I had this dw design snare I could not make sound decent for the life of me. I ended up just selling it and buying a higher priced dw collectors snare. I agree it won’t always solve your problem, it did solve mine lol. It sounded fantastic out of the box
This is great but you can tune high for a snappy snare then just buy The Big Fat Snare Drum & The Green Monster (you can even layer them for a really dead low tone). Use these all the time.
Great tips! Thank you Stephen!
Really enjoyed this video. I noticed you play heel down, is this your way or do you do both heel up and down?
Nice sounding kit, too. Is it a Gretsch?
I lined the inside of mine with a piece of carpet under pad, worked perfect, works good on toms too, no need for ugly tape
When I still played acoustics, I used to take a piece of material, cut it about 3/4 of a inch wide, and about 6 - 8" long, take the head off, and place it under the head, close to the edge, did this with all my drums coz I hated the ring. The closer to the center of the drum you went, the less ring you had, close to the side was best.
My favourite snare sounds are not possible playing at home coz theybe added compression to the snare in the studio, giving it a great sound. That's why I play Edrums now.
I have Puresound snare wires on a 13" Yamaha woodshell snare drum. My issue is the extremely long resonance of the wires. I had to realize that they don't even reach the reso head so they aren't getting dampened at all, but just buzzing together with the head. Do you have any idea how that could be solved?
muh muh muh that´s the tone! You´re great, made my day!
Where can I get a jingly thing like you put on the snare?
This is the “Gold Standard” in snare drum tuning and sound design! Thank You!
Insightful and clear, but you might want to discuss the tuning of the resonant head, e.g. tightness/ looseness compared to batter. There’s a lot to explore on the dark side. Lol.
I finally decided after awhile that the Ambassador heads were not for me. I put Ambassador Xs on all my drums, and they're just too ringy all the way around, and they just take too much work to cut down on it. Especially on the bass drum. I'm gonna try some different heads now - I'm gonna use Steve Goold's setup of CS coated reverse black dot on the snare, Powerstroke 3 coated on the bass, and Emperor coated for the toms.
However, I think Ambassadors would be awesome for jazz. If I were playing jazz, I would absolutely use Ambassadors.
Thanks. I learned a lot. Great no nonsense video that I appreciate!
i want a beefy snare with enough scrungle but not to much louch while retaining some flurbling, os that possible?
At the tuning is important more so if you are playing alone with no backup music but with a whole band I think you need to tune what it sounds like with the whole band because the whole band will make the ringing almost negligible
16:43 the (almost) complete beginner I am regrets laughing about how goofy this sounds. 😂
I bought a Mendini snare drum for 90 dollars, is there a way to fix snare drums that are cheap, I can't adjust the tension on the snares because the cheap stand wobbled to much and fell and the plastic nob broke off, I always hit the center of the snare drum head, I just got it a month ago so its new, and I bought some vic firth drumsticks
Have you ever used a Drum Dial? I used to tune this way and it sux. A drum in tune with its self sounds way better. There are other ways to get rid of ring and over tone. Dead ringers work well. Tape some times. I use stick on pantie liners on the bottom of my floor toms and they sound great. Gels have their place also. Something I like, is using Evans hydraulic batter heads on the bottom of my rack toms. They look better because they come in colors and give the drum a more powerful sound with less ring.
Love the gretsch kit! I have a 1989 USA custom birds eye maple natural finish
How do you play that groove you are playing at the end?
I fixed mine . I put 2 gel tabs inside and I cut the edge off a t-shirt and placed it across the underneath the rim then tightened all up. There now it's fixed
Hey Stephen, I tried the "Equalizer" and I have send it back to the shop. The sound was worser than my actual snare wires. What helps it tuning the resonant head higher on one hand and also the snare tension until ratteling disappears.
Just got a used snare. Guy I bought it from suggested taking it apart and greasing the threads for the lugs. Is that an idea?
If your snares are too tight it will choke the drum. I personally like an open, not choked snare sound, but not too ringy. I have a cheap snare that sounds and feels better than my expensive DW snare drum. The reason is not the shell. The reason is that it has only 8 lugs, and lighter weight lugs and hoops. It feels totally comfortable to play. Bigger isn't always better. Also, the weather will obviously affect the feel and sound of a snare drum.
totally right: the amount of humidity can brighten your sound or dampen it.
Great tips. Thanks
I like my snare tight and poppy. I tighten the batter head about a half step lower than the resonant and tighten the snare wires as tight as I possibly can. Works for me
Steve Albini made a video where he explains the difference between tuning the top and the bottom equally or tuning one side higher/lower than the other side. I'm not a drummer but he explained it, so that everyone can understand.
Steves one in a million