Edward Norton Reflects On The Impact Of ‘Fight Club,’ The 'Proto-Incel Movie' | PeopleTV
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- Edward Norton discusses doing voiceover work, 'Fight Club''s eventual success, and the film's legacy.
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Edward Norton Reflects On The Impact Of ‘Fight Club,’ The 'Proto-Incel Movie' | PeopleTV
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Fight club didnt do well in the box office because it was ahead of its time.
During this pandemic its the most requested book at book stores in my state. And they don't have the stock
Or maybe it’s because it was boring.
Yes Jennifer! Spot on
@@curly_wyndumbass
And Matrix
If people think Fight Club was a "proto incel" movie, they missed the point of the movie.
if you think it has a point you've missed the point
@@znnigigmvjvuvk6346 I always saw it as going super deep into satire, satirizing previous level of satire, but then also making a satire out of that satire, and so on...
@@EvolutionArchive23 The book was written by a gay man why wouldn’t you think it satirizes the obvious toxic masculinity in Brad Pitts character.
@@EvolutionArchive23 The fact that he’s gay brings a new perspective. He has openly discussed and said that Tyler Durden is an illusion, almost like a power fantasy which would obviously be a device for satire. Chuck and Fincher seduce you into falling for Tyler Durden so you believe that he’s the hero and savior all men, like a poster child of modern day masculinity. But if all you got out of this movie is, “I wanna be like Tyler Durden” then my concern for you has never been greater.
@@pasticheit9677 go away with your "toxic masculinity" bs.
I don't understand the need to compare this to incels in any way. It really has nothing to do with them.
It's because it has attracted an audience of incels
@@shadez8375 incel = person I don't like apparently
@@frfras7
No… incel means involuntarily celibate, they are people who cant get laid basically
@@ecco8 nah, but they are losers, who can’t get laid, and blame it on women
@@littlelarry2373 Black Panther is a black people movie
I don't know why they waited for 20 years to have this conversation, this movie changed my life. Unfortunately in my country we never got the opportunity to see it on the big screen.
They didn't wait, Ed wanted to promote his new movie :|
How did it change your life?
its proto incel for people who didnt understand it
I don't know in what direction of the argument this goes.
@@juxe411 The problem with this movie is that 'making fun' was too sublte. Not narrator no Tyler weren't opposed by any masculine figures. Two ways were shown - be a boring purposeless nobody controlled by marketing depts or try to destroy everything around so you would bring others to your level (simple survival in chaotic environment) and not feel bad about yourself anymore. Dangerous movie for teenager's brains who lack figure to follow.
Adding some thought: one does not become healthy, fit, with perfect teeth, intelligent man in his thirties like Tyler by living as homeless street fighter who smokes and drinks beer every night.
Fight Club is not about "ToXiC MaScUlInItY". It's about rediscovering MASCULINITY.
in the beginning of the movie, the protagonist is depressed because his life is boring and unfulfilling, and deep down, he knows that all of this is his fault, that's the reason he has insomnia( and is also the reason why Tyler Durden was created later in the movie). When he starts fighting in the fight club, he rediscovers the courage and strenght that he have forgot it existed inside him.
But the most important part, he rediscovers the pleasure of pain and adversity.
We live in a passive, insecure and lazy society, where people are too scared to face their own insecurities and because of this, they become introverted, they prefer to stay in their houses, consume meaningless media, stay in the same boring and pathetic day-to-day life instead of trying to do something meaningful and risky.
Fight Club is one of the few movies that acknowledges the fact that pain and suffering and are important to a person's life as much as comfort and happiness, that's why the movie is so beloved.
@@juxe411 Its not an irony because the author said on the Joe Rogan Podcast that the movie is a model for men. Both fight club and dead poets society
@@juxe411 True
The Film is more relevant than ever. A generation of men raised by women. Couldn’t be more true now. You can even speak your mind out today
And why is anyone being raised by anyone a bad thing? Unless you’re a misogynist, which *ding ding ding* is the right answer.
@@curly_wyn You shouldn’t be raised by a single paternal parent whether that be metaphorically or literally.
The representation and symbolic meaning behind a mother is a nurturing, careful, and loving figure. I’m not saying neither parent can have these qualities but the production of a man who is born with only a mother will come out soft and disillusioned.
It is an extreme necessity to have a father figure and it doesn’t even need to be a biological one, a teacher, a coach, a friend or sibling. Someone who is there to teach you right from wrong , to hold your back while in hardships.
Tyler did not have a father, he explained it in the film and the consequences of that can be shown throughout the entire movie.
wtf is proto-incel?
This movie had nothing to do with toxic masculinity
i think you missed the whole point then bud
@@cameron5422 you missed the point. The movie is about the power of masculinity, and the desire to express it. It’s based on Nietzsche’s philosophy
@@wking4699 Then you BOTH missed the whole point of the movie.
It's not about the power of masculinity, it is about overcoming emasculation, nihilism and the modern corrupted lifestyle. It is about accepting that we are gonna die, how to become who you truly are and what makes you a man.
@@ZerosMy yes, that is the main point. However, there are also critiques of both toxic and passive masculinity in the two (or i guess one) main character(s)
So being masculine is considered incel? I'll take that.
"Incel" just means anyone who doesn't agree with weird effeminate leftist hipsters living in coastal cities.
@@EvolutionArchive23 lmao bro, forge your own opinion bro
You’d take being an incel just to be considered masculine? You really missed the point of this film didn’t you?
@@EvolutionArchive23 I don't think I was ever talking to you...
@@EvolutionArchive23 tell me you’re proud of being a submissive & breedable beta without telling me you’re proud of being a submissive & breedable beta
It sucks that we live in a generation where when men talk about their feelings and criticism of the mistreatment we go through in society is now considered being an incel, while we live in a generation where you have to have the same opinions of a Twitter users, the people who says they’re for everyone when they participate in hate group activities all the time, and it’s considered brave, strong, and independent, and hell that shit trends. We’re at this point where being a NPC is better than being a human being.
"the mistreatment of men" rofl Yeah man, we've all got it so tough
@@NickHunter you’re right man, I’m totally speaking out of my ass. I will admit I went a little too deep with this paragraph, and using mistreatment, but after what I said I guess I’m overeating about how the draft for men is still a thing, or how the suicide rates is mostly male, but you’re right "ROFL".
Lol maybe you’re the real “NPC”
Ah yes the good ol "Man-Up" jab. It's funny how little we've progressed as a species, outside of technology. We're coming from generations of men that never had to deal with internal struggles on any realistic level. Just let the weeds grow until they suffocate the roots, and start over. It's really counterproductive to our evolution to just ignore problems like that. Life is supposed to be a learning experience, not learning just enough to get by.
If you like Fight Club, why are you complaining about how society treats you? You’re not supposed to go out and start a terrorist cell, you’re supposed to decide who you want to be and go be it! But you’re trying to say you’re still being held back??
Fight club is the opposite of incel
Its man taking control of his life, yes its an extreme example
But that doesn't mean there isn't truth in it
Go back to your mom’s basement, incel dork
He didnt take control he was out of control. Its criticizing that extreme of completely letting go and indulging in violence like that. And it criticizes the monotony of a consumerist late stage capitalist life style. Youre not supposed to idolize tyler or what he does
@@Monicat03 nope wrong
Edward norton himself said it 🤣
He and Matthew Perry are morphing into the same person.
I don't think overcoming emasculation is toxic masculinity it's necessary
Fight club openly welcomes overcoming emasculation but it's a nuanced movie that shows the flaws of taking it to an extreme level with destructive consequences
Go back into your basement, incel.
@@supercringeteam6666 I think it also just shows the inevitability of what will happen when you force an entire generation of men to be domesticated and emasculated...The movie showed how this one demographic has their hands in basically every service occupation on the planet, so if they were all beaten down enough to be willing to organize together against a common 'enemy', there would be no stopping it.
@@curly_wyn shut up gay
@@curly_wyn go back gay to colorado club and 💀 🤣
How is fight club incel because Tyler said women aren’t needed? In fact that’s opposite of incel lol
It seemed he was making a joke but she cut him off to wrap up.
He also said it would make "half ass much as it did."
I wish he'd gone into that proto-incel thing a little more. I get a sense that he feels a kind of embarrassment the way he looks when saying it. How does he actually feel about people viewing Tyler Durden as a role model and stuff, would have been a really interesting conversation.
I think he made his feelings very clear at the end when she said they should have marketed the film as proto-incel and he said " and it would have made half as much as it did"- Edward Norton 3:05 .
I must be interesting to make a movie that doesn't initially make an impact and then watch over time as it not only gains popularity but becomes an absolute cult classic with heavily quoted dialogue...the book is even more violent and disturbing than the movie but did closely follow the original storyline and left out very little, relatively speaking.
What’s the Protocol Incel about this film? What a stupid title. FC is about discovering manhood and overcoming it.
Proto incel? That’s an unfortunate way to encompass fight club
Please do not call this movie a proto Incel movie!
It is really a movie about Millennials and not Gen X. Me and the people I know that love this movie were raised by a single mother and had fathers who just left for no reason! Not drugs, jail, or anything accept they wanted nothing to do with there kids.
This movie changed my life when I saw it and about every kid who had a single mother. We where told we could do anything as long as we worked hard and stuck to it. It didn't happen for %90 of millennial men. So now men are like alone and confused. Why am I here? What is this war for? Why do we have so much division?
So the really lost who need "expert" mental healthcare go about working there ass off and barely getting a living wage. Also sex with men is important. I love sex but in the U.S. sex as of 2022-2023 has scared the shit out of men.
If I have sex with I have to deal with it my whole life? The Abortion debate. Men and women are scared to have sex in Texas! They can't afford a decent psychiatrist. It cost $500+ dollars to see a decent psychiatrist in Houston. $250 plus afterwards plus medication. They wonder why people are shooting up places. It is not a riddle but live. Capitalism with no safety net is going to be a disaster.
This interviewer is awful and barely lets him talk or finish his responses
Fight Club and Devil's Advocate are the two movies that I watch regularly 2-3 times of year to remind myself the things I learned.
If I had to dislike one thing about Fight Club it would be it's name because people think that it is about fighting. Ugh !
I recently rewatched Devil’s Advocate and was disappointed. I only really enjoyed that one scene that everyone quotes. What about that flick did you learn?
Other "failures": Office Space, Idiocracy, Boondock Saints, Night of the Hunter.
boondock saints is a golden piece of shit
It didn't do well at the box office because they marketed it like a subculture movie about fighting. It took me 6 years to see it, only after my friend begged me to. I had no idea it was not about fighting.
I wish they would just stop with all of this nonsense about toxic masculinity.
This dude hasn't aged in 20 years.
He’s clearly aged. He doesn’t look like he does in Fight Club.
let me fix the title. *Edward Norton reflects on the impact of "fight club".* PeopleTV
Toxi' masc' implies the existence of non-toxi' masc'.
I would love to hear the woke-scolds give an example of posi' masc'
(Yes I'm abbrev'ing for satirical purposes)
when the movie came out, i had no idea what the film was about and i thought "why do they take this pretty boy for a movie like that and not jean claude van damme" - so i didn`t watch it.😆 (now it is one of my absolute favorites)
It took me hard 30 minutes to become a life long fan of the movie. I dont know what US audience wanted back then.
maaan The Matrix (1st movie) came out the same year as Fight Club... so its understandable why Fight Club went under the radar at start
Not pro incel …Please it is a film of the moment.
The greatest feel good movie ever. GenX gets it. Look up our bizarre time.
Anyway dark and smart. If you are a fan of Fincher then you see where this comes from. I guess it apposes American Psycho….
Ask yourself what ideals that the movie was pushing. And be honest about it. Don't try to sugar coat it.
Hahahaha the proto incel movie hahahahahahahaa
this channel has over 600k subs but this video only has 4000 views. I can't help but think that people are subbing and ignoring the videos, thus screwing up youtube's algorithm
Why did I have to find the channel from a reddit comment?
because she didn't understand the film and it's only mentioning it to tackle on the 'toxic masculinity' topic that serves her agenda. That's why.
@@User-om5bv u mad
@@pgplaysvidya You need a fight, brother.
@@pgplaysvidya video games are an incel hobby why do you propogate toxic maculine culture?
@@User-om5bv best comment I’ve seen all day
KING OF JERUSALEM 4.BAUDOUİN ,EDWARD NORTON / I think it's the most amazing acting performance
Dude looks old with so much eyebags lol 😂
hey, even the Mona Lisa is falling apart.
why not ask the author?
Lol fight club actually did and does influence my life
The proto incel movie? Lmaooo
"Toxic masculinity" 🤓
Well the film is full of toxic masculinity and the character is mentally ill but he has a girlfriend so I don't see him as an incel if anything Tyler Durden is a "Chad" the Incels would hate.
😂people telling the actor, the director and the author what the film is really about. now that's true incel behavior.
If fight club was released today, it would break the box office for sure
I bet that's what the producers and directors told this guy while casting and he still thinks that's what it is. Lol
No such thing as an incel🤷♂️
@deadvoguestar no it's called being cheap and lazy. Worst case scenario for a so called incel is to buy a prostitute. The only way an incel can truly exist is if even street walking prostitutes refuse to have sex with them. And let's be real, that's literally impossible.
@deadvoguestar Actually there isn't.
@@battleaxe8252 their problem isn't that they cant get sex, its that the only sex they can get comes with an overt price tag. What they want most is the sex that comes after getting female validation but because of the 80/20 rule they're never going to get it, best case scenario a women lies to them so that she can extract resources but in this situation a women would rather choose a simp
@@lilbeaner3961 Sex comes at a price for us all🤷♂️
@balorama. Incels by definition cant exist because prostitutes do exist. Therefore the guys who aren't getting laid should be called lazy and cheap or lazy and broke. But calling them involuntary celibate is inaccurate.
Damn can we get more than 3 minutes
Phenomenal actor 🏃🏽♂️
I’m addicted to
What the FUCK???
This woman's cheekbones were carved by the gods.
#BoycottPeopleMagazine
So many triggered incels in the comments.
Please stop overusing that term to describe anyone who disagrees with you.
i have alot of sex and understand the frustration in the comments lol. I've literally fucked women who are tens, fucked them in the face fucked them in the ass fucked their boobs vaginas, all kinds of crazy shit.
I do feel highly emasculized within the past 4 or 5 years. To be honest, I actually fuck alot less women now that I'm more in tune with my feelings and conscious of how people feel. I was having wayyy more sex back when I did not care about how women or men felt all together lmao.
This movie should be banned.
why?
Your a beta lmao
I need those boots