loaded up yesterday and set to immortal after watching him and thinking oh I can do that, cmon... turn 97 and I was like oh this is not tenable anymore... back to King. lmaoo
This is a very good case against civilian micromanagement. You're micromanaging very well and even though we're watching a cut version, I can already feel the tedium of it. Glad Civ 7 is going to focus on other things rather than micromanaging civilians
Nah my friend keeps rushing ironclads and I love to hear him salty over my poor settles when he has to land an army in my swarm of bombers and fighters
I feel weird about the citizen micro-management being taken out. Do I do it? yeah. DO I do it well? sometimes. Do I enjoy it? kinda? Having it or not isn't a deal breaker for me. I recognize it as being a part of the Civ series, but I'm impartial to it. I will definitely miss workers though.
I like purposely not building anything on forests, because it means my empire is the most environmentally friendly and therefore better than everyone else.
Agree with potato at the end, if your neighbor attacks you you can't just white peace out, bc it means he'll be back, you gotta take away the possibility of them starting shit up again
Something you can do with building roads is to work on them until they're 1 tile from completion than move onto the next tile until you reach the other city, than work your way backwards finishing the entire road in 1 turn intervals. It's more micro-management but it saves you on road upkeep costs, which can make a difference early on when you're building your first roads. Later on this becomes a bit redundant but if gold is still an issue than it's still a worthwhile thing to do, especially if you can get 2 workers to work on the same road than split off to their respective cities to improve whatever tiles need to be improved there.
@@tomvp8512 Didn't check in until I saw deity plays from others. 1/06/2025. My last play was Nov. something 2023. 8940 hrs. I got bored. No multiplayer ever.
@@tomvp8512 I agree. When you add mods to it, it gets extremely hard. Nightmare barbs for instance. Huge map, hard to beat on Emperor, much less deity.
Honestly with the way you play, I'd love to see you do a video or two on Alpha Centauri. Excellent excellent game that had no right to be as good as it is. Great video Potato!
half way through, I knew all the AI were going to hate you settling so much! and I predict the midgame happiness slump is gonna cause some problems. You definitely approach this from a Civ 6 perspective of a bunch of small cities. Usually in Civ 5, city placement strategy is more conservative on settlement, prioritizing maximum efficacy of tiles within range and border expansion to claim land and resources I love civ 5 though, and I enjoy seeing your perspective on the game
20 - 30 cities in Lekmod is actually doable on Emperor. The problem is the unhappiness from population, after I got 1000 pop in my empire it was permanent unrecoverable unhappiness.
I remember the first time i played civ .. i thought that roads made resources travel to the cities so when i had conquered the entire continent i put roads on every single tile .. oh how far i have come! 1490 Hours , Stellaris 3883 hours
Not sure if you figured this out yet, but Florence isn't connected to the road network. ETA looks like you did figure it out... there's an icon on the city that tells you the city is connected to your network. 3 yellow dots
Settling on the iron turn 1 would've actually been the correct move, don't underestimate an immediate +1 production on mining, and immediate iron to sell to AI.
(Multiplayer context) Most games you only build 1 scout. Unless, you have rough terrain, Huns in game or Yor worry you might be in the middle of the map Usually its Shrine/Monument/Worker second depending on context. Source: 11,000 hours of miltiplayer civ5 in NQ and ive beaten Filthyrobot/BabaYetu/Arvius all the big names. Also Whiskey, MP game with real opponents when 😘
Filthyrobot and co are outdated, especially in Lekmod. Lots of buffs to non-shine faith and a much larger pool of good pantheons/better understanding of early production means that ruins are the ultimate priority so you want more scouts and no shrine. Also they protect from barbs and help you see land so you know which tree to go (biggest Lekmod skill as all 4 are viable). Finally early workers are gold so you can bash out settlers, never struggle on happiness and get all your cities down asap. Unfortunately you learnt civ v in a different context and a different time - things are more advanced now
I say this as a previous diehard filthy enthusiast - I can see now a lot of his thinking is entirely predicted on a model where only a select few can found religions, science is king (rather than production), and wonders were over-prioritised. Therefore he is outdated in Lekmod
Finishing the liberty social policy tree gives you the choice of a free great person. Not a terrible way to get a great prophet so one can catch up religion wise. But that's my playstyle of course, not everybody focuses on religion.
Why not to start with 2 scouts in Civ 5: If you're going with the Honor tree and want to hunt barbs for gold... archers (usually do 3) then buy a builder when you have the gold. Your long-range "scouts" will eventually be horses, but archers are the best camp clearers. I sometimes did one scout in hopes that it promotes to a fast archer.
Hey Potato, you should try doing a "Halloween" themed game as Hungary with the Sanguine Secret Society going for a domination victory using vampires and Black Knights.
the 2 scout first thing is only true on pangea different map types want different oppeners (like archipelago typically is best to do monument into warrior)
I don't quite follow. Is he saying that if you click the production focus thing that the city growth is executed before the production, and if you don't then it isn't?
@@tomvp8512 ah I see. yeah if I were developing the game I would tell it to collect all yields and then execute the city growth, that just makes more sense.
It's almost impossible to get Petra if you're not beelining it and building it in your capital - which sucks. A desert based city usually doesn't have many hammers to work after all, so alternative is getting wonders that give great engineer points early on and garden and/or national epic and hope you get a great engineer out fast enough so you can snipe it.
I will say it does feel like the AI is way less aggressive in Civ 5, which is interesting and might have to do with the fact that cities can just attack without the need of walls. This allows you to be far more SimCity and focus on Settling and Building Infrastructure. I think the pace of Civ V even on like quicker speeds generally feels slower than Civ 6, improvements not instantly being built is part of that.
Of course a minute or two after typing this Poland declared war, but I still feel like if nothing else the Cities being able to defend themselves buys you more time to build a decent sim empire.
nah, potato is just very good at judging the ai's willingness to go to war as well as keeping his army numbers... well not low at least 😅 plus he's not spawning near any real war mongers, although he should be keeping an eye at Adolphus
I must be slow, but I cannot find instructions or a video showing how to install and use LekMod. I went to the discord. I followed those instructions. But there are no instructions on how to find it in game or how to run it. If you are going to hint at something, you should just spell it out for us computer illiterate.
very sad i’m having the civ 5 steam issues. redownloaded it after watching some of the vids but it will not even load the launcher unless i force it. even then after pressing play it pretends to try to start before doing nothing
Re: Citizen micromanagement: Honestly, I find the citizen micromanagement way worse in Civ 6 than in Civ 5. In Civ 5, you do end up with this army of workers, but for the most part you're not making a decision with any one of them every turn. Even if you manually control all of them all game long, once you tell one to do something you have some time before you circle back to it to do something else thanks to the labor time. You also don't have to worry as much about any single decision with them because you're only ever out the *worker's* time, not the production time of the city that built it (or that would have to replace it). Any bonuses you unlock to worker production rate or their own work speed are just always on. And while it's not often optimal, you do have the option of automating them once you've gotten your essential tile improvements down, and come the late game it can be nice to be able to point a worker at a uranium or oil deposit on a city that you freshly settled just to grab those resources and trust that the rest of your worker army is going to do a decent enough job on automation to not have to worry about anything else because it's not like a late-game city is going to be a powerhouse anyways. In Civ 6, any worker that's not actively in transit is one that's demanding your attention to do something. You can't automate them, and their charges are precious. So precious that a huge chunk of the game's most important timings involve making sure Liang is established in a city and/or you have a couple specific policy cards unlocked and slotted when a worker finishes production (while *not* having those policy cards taking up space except on turns when workers finish production). Worse, while using their charges well and optimizing how many charges they get feels very important to the point of being stressful, it *also* rarely feels like there's actually a decision to be made. That is, the correct tile improvement for any given tile is almost always obvious once you've mapped out your entire expansion plan for a given city, so it's less about figuring out what to do with any given tile and more about figuring out order of operations (like trying to get two mines down before an industrial zone so that you can hit the +4 adjacency bonus needed for era score, or if you wait on the second mine so you don't overshoot era score too much). You'll never have as many workers in Civ 6 as you would in Civ 5, but by making it so that their actions are proportionally more important it just kinda warps the entire game around them and makes them feel like they're so much fiddlier. 'Course, like you say, they're still not *fun* in earlier Civ games either. I'm so ready for Civ 7 to yeet them entirely.
Big mistake in the first turn, you always open with pottery thats the meta. Temple of Artemis and Hanging gardens S tier, you should have built early TOA instead of monument when you got free archery tech.
Maybe meta in 2014 it's been mining first for as long as lekmond. Only some very niche cases u wanna go anything else. Also TOA is locked to honour in this mod and hanging gardens is locked trad, also overrated lol
Idk anything about actual civ5 gameplay, but I know enough irl history that hearing you say repeatedly that "Italy is made for aesthetics policies" when patronage is RIGHT THERE kinda hurts LMAO 😂😭
Why are you stealing 1 builder from 2 different city states? You should only declare war on one city state, steal their builder. If you think you can get away with it, leave the war open, and steal the next builder from THE SAME city state. If you declare war on 2 city states, you lose meeting bonuses from meeting any new city state, and you lose influence faster with city states going forward. Also, you can immediately peace out a CS, so if it was your intention to peace out Mohenjo Daro right away, you should have just declared peace. Your scout took 2 city shots it didn't need to.
In lekmod you can't peace out a city state who's relationship is too negative, so after declaring war you need to wait a few turns before you can peace out
@@PotatoMcWhiskey Haha, gotta step up your game if you want to take on the AI powerhouse that is Zuckerberg. What you should have done is take the builder from Mohenjo Daro, leave the war open (which I have now learned that in lekmod you can't peace out immediately anyway), then hid your scout behind the two forest tiles, popping into the forest every turn or two to see if they build a second worker, then steal that one, too. At least in the vanilla game, you can usually steal at least 2 if you have a good hiding place before the CS decides to build an archer and mess up your system. I don't know what the AI does in lekmod when they put the CS under their protection (Russia had Mohenjo Daro under their protection when you declared war on them, but depending in difficulty in vanilla, attacking a CS and not immediately withdrawing would lead to eventual hostilities with that AI. Just a consideration for the future.
Can’t wait to pretend to be PotatoMcWhiskey as I play Civ V on settler
Too real....
loaded up yesterday and set to immortal after watching him and thinking oh I can do that, cmon... turn 97 and I was like oh this is not tenable anymore... back to King. lmaoo
Classic Potato "Liberty and 20 cities is what I would call the tall build" McWhiskey
If you want Chichen Itza in a Civ 5 game, you need to rush it right from turn 1. The AI absolutely drools over the thought of getting that wonder.
This is a very good case against civilian micromanagement. You're micromanaging very well and even though we're watching a cut version, I can already feel the tedium of it. Glad Civ 7 is going to focus on other things rather than micromanaging civilians
The only settler sin in civ five is settling one tile off the coast.
Nah my friend keeps rushing ironclads and I love to hear him salty over my poor settles when he has to land an army in my swarm of bombers and fighters
I feel weird about the citizen micro-management being taken out. Do I do it? yeah. DO I do it well? sometimes. Do I enjoy it? kinda? Having it or not isn't a deal breaker for me. I recognize it as being a part of the Civ series, but I'm impartial to it. I will definitely miss workers though.
I like purposely not building anything on forests, because it means my empire is the most environmentally friendly and therefore better than everyone else.
@@ericcampbell503 Ah a fellow Kupe enjoyer
@@Ottocide Absolutely!
Agree with potato at the end, if your neighbor attacks you you can't just white peace out, bc it means he'll be back, you gotta take away the possibility of them starting shit up again
And then the world hates you for it! So they all gotta go too
Something you can do with building roads is to work on them until they're 1 tile from completion than move onto the next tile until you reach the other city, than work your way backwards finishing the entire road in 1 turn intervals. It's more micro-management but it saves you on road upkeep costs, which can make a difference early on when you're building your first roads. Later on this becomes a bit redundant but if gold is still an issue than it's still a worthwhile thing to do, especially if you can get 2 workers to work on the same road than split off to their respective cities to improve whatever tiles need to be improved there.
Seeing you play Civ 5 more has gotten me back into the game so much- just about to break 3,000 hours!
@@Gibby0821 11,000 Hours here.
Once you get into multiplayer it's insane how much time you can spend
@@tomvp8512 Didn't check in until I saw deity plays from others. 1/06/2025. My last play was Nov. something 2023. 8940 hrs. I got bored. No multiplayer ever.
@joecog8949
Diety should of been piss easy and completely expectable by now.
Multiplayer has an infinitely longer time to get bored of
@@tomvp8512 I agree. When you add mods to it, it gets extremely hard. Nightmare barbs for instance. Huge map, hard to beat on Emperor, much less deity.
Honestly with the way you play, I'd love to see you do a video or two on Alpha Centauri. Excellent excellent game that had no right to be as good as it is. Great video Potato!
half way through, I knew all the AI were going to hate you settling so much! and I predict the midgame happiness slump is gonna cause some problems.
You definitely approach this from a Civ 6 perspective of a bunch of small cities.
Usually in Civ 5, city placement strategy is more conservative on settlement, prioritizing maximum efficacy of tiles within range and border expansion to claim land and resources
I love civ 5 though, and I enjoy seeing your perspective on the game
It seems to me he really just wants to see how far he can push the happiness line with lekmod. Its been impressive so far!
20 - 30 cities in Lekmod is actually doable on Emperor. The problem is the unhappiness from population, after I got 1000 pop in my empire it was permanent unrecoverable unhappiness.
I remember the first time i played civ .. i thought that roads made resources travel to the cities so when i had conquered the entire continent i put roads on every single tile .. oh how far i have come! 1490 Hours , Stellaris 3883 hours
Civ IV did need city connections for tile resources, so maybe you were just playing the wrong game!
Not sure if you figured this out yet, but Florence isn't connected to the road network.
ETA looks like you did figure it out... there's an icon on the city that tells you the city is connected to your network. 3 yellow dots
That'd an interesting way to explain happiness as an alternative resource but that helps so much actually now that I think about it
Settling on the iron turn 1 would've actually been the correct move, don't underestimate an immediate +1 production on mining, and immediate iron to sell to AI.
Potato adding 1500 new luxuries to the game so that he can justify mass settling and rebel against Tradition gameplay.
Nah he's just playing civ 5 in it's ultimate true form
(Multiplayer context)
Most games you only build 1 scout.
Unless, you have rough terrain, Huns in game or Yor worry you might be in the middle of the map
Usually its Shrine/Monument/Worker second depending on context.
Source: 11,000 hours of miltiplayer civ5 in NQ and ive beaten Filthyrobot/BabaYetu/Arvius all the big names.
Also Whiskey, MP game with real opponents when 😘
He does mp with the yogs on their Civilization channel. Currently have a game that's on episode 13 I think
I've been studying Filthy's games recently.. isn't double scout opener a go-to for tradition games, since you can get the monument for free?
@@PoonDestruction 100%. There are cases to go double scout as Honor to see where you can trib, too.
Filthyrobot and co are outdated, especially in Lekmod. Lots of buffs to non-shine faith and a much larger pool of good pantheons/better understanding of early production means that ruins are the ultimate priority so you want more scouts and no shrine. Also they protect from barbs and help you see land so you know which tree to go (biggest Lekmod skill as all 4 are viable). Finally early workers are gold so you can bash out settlers, never struggle on happiness and get all your cities down asap. Unfortunately you learnt civ v in a different context and a different time - things are more advanced now
I say this as a previous diehard filthy enthusiast - I can see now a lot of his thinking is entirely predicted on a model where only a select few can found religions, science is king (rather than production), and wonders were over-prioritised. Therefore he is outdated in Lekmod
Diplomacy overview third tab is the menu to see what wonders other players have built.
Took me 6000 hours to figure that out 🤦
Can you do civ 6 Maori? You haven't played them in 3 years from what I found. But I get it if you are a little burned out on civ 6
man the irony that the desert city was Venice
fascinating to see the thought process here
Any plans on doing some unmodded Civ5 BNW?
Yields,yields,Yields,YIelds,YIELDS, GIVE ME MORE YIELDS!
Highest population I ever ever gotten on civ v was 178. Normally I can get 100 when I’m going tall. Curious to see how tall potato gets
178 is a terrifying number for one city
Take a shot every time he says Tempo
That grey screen message was great.
Love the different civ videos potato big love 🙌
"nobody ever explains how production focus works" FilthyRobot:"Hello?"
48:56 wait where did this Choose a Great Person come from? I thought only Leaning Tower and Maya did that
Finishing the liberty social policy tree gives you the choice of a free great person. Not a terrible way to get a great prophet so one can catch up religion wise. But that's my playstyle of course, not everybody focuses on religion.
Did he drink a redbull before this episode jesus
I sometimes set the video to .75 speed. He sounds mostly normal
@@jeremycharles1191 watching this on 1.5 actually wasn't so bad to comprehend imo
Thought i was the only one who noticed lol
when do you not build 2 scouts? on archipelagp maps
Why not to start with 2 scouts in Civ 5: If you're going with the Honor tree and want to hunt barbs for gold... archers (usually do 3) then buy a builder when you have the gold. Your long-range "scouts" will eventually be horses, but archers are the best camp clearers. I sometimes did one scout in hopes that it promotes to a fast archer.
Venice in the desert.... seems legit.
The rough estimate for how many cities liberty can have is capitol + 2 per unique luxury you have
@potatomcwhiskey Have you ever done a video or a video series on the original Civilization or do you not have the ability to play it?
Perfect after dinner viewing
2:06 PC J LAW explained it on multiple occasions 😊
Hey Potato, you should try doing a "Halloween" themed game as Hungary with the Sanguine Secret Society going for a domination victory using vampires and Black Knights.
the 2 scout first thing is only true on pangea
different map types want different oppeners (like archipelago typically is best to do monument into warrior)
Can't wait unitll Potato discovers a really cool box he can check that will stop his cities from growing
I don't quite follow. Is he saying that if you click the production focus thing that the city growth is executed before the production, and if you don't then it isn't?
@@sagov9 yes exactly that.
The production is calculated after city growth so production focus + new population = free hammers
@@tomvp8512 ah I see. yeah if I were developing the game I would tell it to collect all yields and then execute the city growth, that just makes more sense.
It's almost impossible to get Petra if you're not beelining it and building it in your capital - which sucks. A desert based city usually doesn't have many hammers to work after all, so alternative is getting wonders that give great engineer points early on and garden and/or national epic and hope you get a great engineer out fast enough so you can snipe it.
I will say it does feel like the AI is way less aggressive in Civ 5, which is interesting and might have to do with the fact that cities can just attack without the need of walls. This allows you to be far more SimCity and focus on Settling and Building Infrastructure. I think the pace of Civ V even on like quicker speeds generally feels slower than Civ 6, improvements not instantly being built is part of that.
Of course a minute or two after typing this Poland declared war, but I still feel like if nothing else the Cities being able to defend themselves buys you more time to build a decent sim empire.
nah, potato is just very good at judging the ai's willingness to go to war as well as keeping his army numbers... well not low at least 😅
plus he's not spawning near any real war mongers, although he should be keeping an eye at Adolphus
Civ V videos my beloved ♥️
I must be slow, but I cannot find instructions or a video showing how to install and use LekMod. I went to the discord. I followed those instructions. But there are no instructions on how to find it in game or how to run it. If you are going to hint at something, you should just spell it out for us computer illiterate.
Episodes in your playlist seem to be in the reverse order.
ITALY loves their chicken PIZZA!!
what's a Pittore in lekmod? tooltip isn't super helpful since it just says Movement 4
very sad i’m having the civ 5 steam issues. redownloaded it after watching some of the vids but it will not even load the launcher unless i force it. even then after pressing play it pretends to try to start before doing nothing
Civ V? What year is it?
why dont grown the capital ? 30 turns and still 4 pop is low or not
he wanted to play wider, so he stifled growth in cap at certain times to allot for faster cities. Essentially he is min-maxing happiness and expansion
The goat civ game.
So, no ara anymore?
My favorite is probably Kilwa Kiswani
Re: Citizen micromanagement: Honestly, I find the citizen micromanagement way worse in Civ 6 than in Civ 5.
In Civ 5, you do end up with this army of workers, but for the most part you're not making a decision with any one of them every turn. Even if you manually control all of them all game long, once you tell one to do something you have some time before you circle back to it to do something else thanks to the labor time. You also don't have to worry as much about any single decision with them because you're only ever out the *worker's* time, not the production time of the city that built it (or that would have to replace it). Any bonuses you unlock to worker production rate or their own work speed are just always on. And while it's not often optimal, you do have the option of automating them once you've gotten your essential tile improvements down, and come the late game it can be nice to be able to point a worker at a uranium or oil deposit on a city that you freshly settled just to grab those resources and trust that the rest of your worker army is going to do a decent enough job on automation to not have to worry about anything else because it's not like a late-game city is going to be a powerhouse anyways.
In Civ 6, any worker that's not actively in transit is one that's demanding your attention to do something. You can't automate them, and their charges are precious. So precious that a huge chunk of the game's most important timings involve making sure Liang is established in a city and/or you have a couple specific policy cards unlocked and slotted when a worker finishes production (while *not* having those policy cards taking up space except on turns when workers finish production). Worse, while using their charges well and optimizing how many charges they get feels very important to the point of being stressful, it *also* rarely feels like there's actually a decision to be made. That is, the correct tile improvement for any given tile is almost always obvious once you've mapped out your entire expansion plan for a given city, so it's less about figuring out what to do with any given tile and more about figuring out order of operations (like trying to get two mines down before an industrial zone so that you can hit the +4 adjacency bonus needed for era score, or if you wait on the second mine so you don't overshoot era score too much).
You'll never have as many workers in Civ 6 as you would in Civ 5, but by making it so that their actions are proportionally more important it just kinda warps the entire game around them and makes them feel like they're so much fiddlier. 'Course, like you say, they're still not *fun* in earlier Civ games either. I'm so ready for Civ 7 to yeet them entirely.
4:42 Petra name drop
If you don't get leaning tower I'm unsubbing you and then subbing zuck
ITALIAN CAVALRY HORDE
Big mistake in the first turn, you always open with pottery thats the meta. Temple of Artemis and Hanging gardens S tier, you should have built early TOA instead of monument when you got free archery tech.
Maybe meta in 2014 it's been mining first for as long as lekmond. Only some very niche cases u wanna go anything else. Also TOA is locked to honour in this mod and hanging gardens is locked trad, also overrated lol
Why not a video choosing war and a video choosing simming? Two saves, two more videos - win/win for us!
wide boi
I miss the demographics screen
Man Civ 6 looks SO much better than 5 can't wait to play 7!
Bump
Vittorio Emanuele III with pittori and basilicas?! What is this nonsense? xD Where are the fascists?
Idk anything about actual civ5 gameplay, but I know enough irl history that hearing you say repeatedly that "Italy is made for aesthetics policies" when patronage is RIGHT THERE kinda hurts LMAO 😂😭
potato, why are your playlist all fucked, please fix lmao i was very sleepy and confused watching the end first
Playlist is reversed
First comment
Why are you stealing 1 builder from 2 different city states? You should only declare war on one city state, steal their builder. If you think you can get away with it, leave the war open, and steal the next builder from THE SAME city state. If you declare war on 2 city states, you lose meeting bonuses from meeting any new city state, and you lose influence faster with city states going forward.
Also, you can immediately peace out a CS, so if it was your intention to peace out Mohenjo Daro right away, you should have just declared peace. Your scout took 2 city shots it didn't need to.
In lekmod you can't peace out a city state who's relationship is too negative, so after declaring war you need to wait a few turns before you can peace out
I'm still learning the game
@@PotatoMcWhiskey Haha, gotta step up your game if you want to take on the AI powerhouse that is Zuckerberg.
What you should have done is take the builder from Mohenjo Daro, leave the war open (which I have now learned that in lekmod you can't peace out immediately anyway), then hid your scout behind the two forest tiles, popping into the forest every turn or two to see if they build a second worker, then steal that one, too. At least in the vanilla game, you can usually steal at least 2 if you have a good hiding place before the CS decides to build an archer and mess up your system.
I don't know what the AI does in lekmod when they put the CS under their protection (Russia had Mohenjo Daro under their protection when you declared war on them, but depending in difficulty in vanilla, attacking a CS and not immediately withdrawing would lead to eventual hostilities with that AI. Just a consideration for the future.
Civ 7 is basically civ 6
While civ 6 is like civ 7
5 is better than 6