You also gotta remember that these guys train like crazy. All they do is train and live life “the right way”. They don’t go out, party, drink, do drugs, or really anything stupid. They are focused on the game 100%
I think it’s also worth mentioning that Ikrams only loss happened when he fought khamzat. Doesn’t change much, but that does mean these guys have a 97.5% win rate when facing other opponents.
if ufc would the fighters fight and not hold back like they do with knees to a down opponent & 12-6 eIbows.. we would see less wrestling cause they would be scared to get knocked tf out. it’s such a shame that lay and pray /wet bIanking & holding someone against the fence for dear life can win you a fight. those undefeated jobbers that can’t land a jab would not be undefeated like they are now.
@@beaualoevvsuch a casual thing to say, you obviously don't know that thiswould make them more dangerous because they have better chances of doing it then be done to them you are mistaking them jujutsu guys who sit on the canvas all the time and prefer to be on their back, these guys are always on top of their opponents so any type of strike or elbow or kick they have better chances of doing it then their opponent has .
Shooting a takedown moving backwards is very difficult I think because it takes away your penetration step but also limits what kind of takedowns are available
Volkanovski couldn't stop anyone. He lost to Islam twice including the first one where he was depleted fighting in Volk's backyard with way too many disadvantages 😂 islam Is a master of element too but the only difference is, he's a better master than Volk and more Advanced with More sub-elements.
@@syphonunfilteredhe didn't move to Sweden until he was already an adult, and he was already grappling before that. Dude doesn't have a swedish accent.
Dude, Ankalaev checked 90% Jan’s kicks but the problem was that Jan has such thick bones that those checks didn't matter to him, and he just continued kicking!
The fact he was able to even get a takedown shows the skill level of Ank, future champ after he wins against alex in ufc either 301 (if he defends against hill)
GSP also shared the same sentiment when he was asked how he would tackle a khabib fight. He said that he’d try to be the aggressive wrestler initiating the offence because these sambo guys arent used to be the ones who get the pressure put on them, especially in the wrestling department. So basically be the aggressive one and put them on their back.
@@AndrewLaReal look how casual r u. By ur logic maywether is avg boxer🤣🤣. Makhachev beat best striker volk twice, once while being dehydrated. He was completely dehydrated but still beat p4p1. This shows Makhachev is best in history of mma
Lol definitely a troll. Imagine comparing a different sport that doesn’t account for the same level of fighting or stylesshows lack of knowledge. Nice try kid. Go bother someone else
@AHALKALAKETS I don’t think it’s dead this year has been good for boxing but I love mma too it’s fun to watch both but boxing does have lack luster sometimes
boxing events are so boring. Who tf wants to watch a concert when they buy a boxing ppv. Boxing should just run their shows like ufc hyping up the whole card and giving promo time/ pre fight interviews to unknown fighters instead of the two big stars like they do now. @@panooze2607
@AHALKALAKETS Garcia V Davis, and Usyk vs Dubois, did over a million PPV buys. Canelo Alvarez vs. Jermell Charlo was 700k PPV buys in the USA alone. Boxing is not dead. Boxing is a mismanaged sport.
Going off your first point, I wonder if working more on leglocks and/or weird situational attacks (buggy choke, flytrap) would help fighters stay active when fighting off the bottom. I'm not saying you're going to buggy choke Islam, but some of these moves and positions might help you avoid damage because the grappler on top has to stop punching you in order to address it. And I think leglocks tend not to be a strong part of the Dagestani grappling style, which again probably won't lead to a ton of subs but would allow for openings, scrambles, and opportunities to stand up (which I believe Olivera used against Islam). Just some thoughts. Cool video.
@@fred4800leg locks are extremely effective against sambo wrestlers, khabib’s sambo team recently went against jiu jitsu guys in a tournament a heel hooks kept submitting them. if u actually know how to go for a heel hook while being defensive, it’s definitely the best path for a submission
@@chris_doesnt_exist-762 Bro that was in jiu-jitsu, khabib's team doesnt do sambo, they do combat sambo. Its more akin to MMA, that tournament means literally nothing. because in a real fight going for legs against someone who is really good on top gets your ass beaten up, IF you even get that hold. Leg locks is literally the meta in all top level grappling anyway so its not surprising that top level guys are getting hit with leg locks.
Fun fact. The reason why Sambo guys have problems with leg kicks is because leg kicks gets you no points in competitions and is usually used as a fake. Same thing goes for Russian hand-to-hand fighting - you get 0 points for leg kicks, 1 point for body/face shot, 2 points for a head kick (might be wrong on this one) and 2 points for takedowns.
Pretty spot on TJ, but I was surprised to not hear a mention of Strickland vs Magomedov. Strickland kinda followed your gameplan to a T, minus the leg kicks ig. Magomedov could not do anything to Sean on the ground, and on the feet Sean applied endless pressure and forced him on the backfoot with straight punches, as he tends to do. Yes, abus gassed, but Sean's strategy would have worked for as long abus lasted.
Abus isn't like the rest of them. He went to germany when he was young. These guys aren't born knowing how to wrestle, they just train this every day for 20 years before coming to the ufc
Bro why you act like every Russian wrestler is unbeatable they can lose especially against sean that dude had no business fighting him they brought a nobody and you giving Sean credit for that
@sssh8596 abus was the one being presented as the hot prospect, against an older Strickland who had just been knocked out by pereira. nobody was giving sean a chance in that one lol
Magomedov was winning rd 1 pretty handily and then immediately turned into a punching bag rd 2. Dagestani or not, he was going to get taken out seans too good to be fighting random unranked fighters who dont have rd 2 cardio.
The Russians have been doing that with boxing /mma for 20 year (Dagestani, Chechnya are parts of Russia). There are a few other places like Brazil, America (certain states do more than others).
Kamaru Usman was a D3 collegiate wrestler, if anyone can stop Khamzats grappling at middleweight it’s Bo Nickal and his extremely high level D1 wrestling.
@@fangiscool1 ur totally right lol it was D2😂 almost placed in nationals all four years… daaaamn. but still Bo would have a field day with Usman in straight wrestling.
@@abrahamcooke802 people said the same thing about henry cejudo and look what happened he got taken down by cornball sterling a D3 wrestler btw...HENRY was a gold medal olympic wrestler just letting u know MMA math doesn't work all the time ma guy
First it was BJJ, then it was Muay Thai now it’s the era of these Caucasus boys, truth is I don’t really see a quick formula thought up in a camp to beat them because really they don’t do anything “tricky” they’re just solid wrestlers and lately have been producing some solid strikers, add in genetic components and superhuman tier level cardio due to the region they live in and you’ve got a pretty solid war machine. Only way to beat them is too just be better at what they do then they are.
Agreed. Khabib won because of the wrestling and especially his top wrestling style centered around using the legs and hips so the hands are free for ground and pound. Islam and the others are winning because they're more allround than their opponents and the rest has to catch up. When they do catch up I think their builds and lack of crazy athleticism might become their weak points. A slender long arms+legs build with supreme athleticism like Jon Jones has might decide the fight when the skills are even.
@@m.o.5291there's literally only one Jon Jones, so that doesn't sound reasonable at all. No one has the physical advantages in their division that Jon Jones had. But these guys are beatable. Islam didn't dominate Volk the first fight. And Khabib never fought a great grappler. They're dominant but far from unbeatable
@@fangiscool1 No one is unbeatable you have literally zero points in this pointless comment. Khabib was the greatest grappler of his time in the LW division, you couldnt name a single fighter in the 2015-2020 area not named Tony(who wasnt a grappler but a striker) that could even hope to match him. The only other person you could claim was anywhere near great wrestler status at that point was alverez, and he was a known vocal dodger of fighting khabib to the point, that it caused the conor super fight to happen. Furthermore Islam did win 4-1 rounds, and was on his way to getting a 5-0 score until he got caught in the 5th round. And all of this was done while he was completely dehydrated to the point that volk's teams gameplan was even based on him being dehydrated, and felt they lost their perfect chance to beat him. The weight-cuts on that card were so bad the UFC even lobbied longer time periods from weigh-ins to fights when they went back to Australia for the future.
@@ChaosReaper426 Actually there was another great grappler in the division, RDA, who Khabib thoroughly dismantled when they fought. If RDA didn't lose to Khabib he would have had a 10 fight winstreak, he then went on to become the champ because Khabib got injured and couldn't fight for a while.
Yeah, but I feel like people also overstate how dominant they are. The US still has the most champs rn. Which isn’t to say the US is just so much better either.
Please TJ, can you make a video about the concept of level of competition? Many guys treat the guys of the past like trash because “they only fought bums and taxi drivers”, like Aldo and Chavez when comparing then to Volk and Canelo. Is that true? I would like to see your opinion about that.
I think fighters today are better on average, but I also think the best can stack up in any era. And maybe not Aldo and Chavez specifically, but in fairness some all time greats really did fight people who weren’t pro fighters. The sport is in such a different spot now where it’s an actual job.
If you could build on that should also do a video world class martial art ability vs amateur what’s the difference and why is borz so good and considered world class after only 6 years
See it might not be the best comparison since he was sooo dominant, but Silva v Izzy really changed my mind on that. He wasn’t outclassed at all by Izzy, and Silva was far past prime while Izzy was in the middle of his
I think the stuff that we do specifically for one martial art ends up working in mma, we see this a lot of times, big example is when Sean Strickland used a Philly shell to fight Adesanya, a technique that was thought only worked in boxing. Mow we see fighters letting themselves be taken down, the move is kinda similar to “pulling guard”, but the main difference is that you do it while the rival takes you down, so that way the opponent doesn’t notice you pulled guard and that you are planing your next move while they are worried about gaining top position. Or even calf kicks, they are used in Muay Thai but specially used a lot in Dutch kickboxing, and mma fighters started to use it and saw how effective they were. I’m not saying that we need to copy paste exactly the techniques of the 4 main martial arts (wrestling, bjj, boxing, Muay Thai/kickboxing) that mma fighters practice, but fighters should learn the most perfected moves in those main martial arts and adapt it to mma, because if it works in a format of fighting, it will probably also work in mma. I think the future of bjj and grappling in mma will be leg locks, fighters are going to start to use more leg locks, they are alredy starting to practice it more and do it more often in the mma fights of one championship, and is obviously a technique that is used A LOT in bjj and I think in the future it will be also be used more often by mma fighters, not the exactly same way, but it will be used more.
This is kinda a random example that has nothing to do with caucus people but i remember watching DWCS, and Andre Lima vs Rickson Zenidim was the most perfect example of countering a grappling/wrestling heavy approach i could think of recently. Kickboxer with elite TDD and he implemented his gameplay with forward movement.
if ufc would the fighters fight and not hold back like they do with knees to a down opponent & 12-6 eIbows.. we would see less wrestling cause they would be scared to get knocked tf out. it’s such a shame that lay and pray /wet bIanking & holding someone against the fence for dear life can win you a fight. those undefeated jobbers that can’t land a jab would not be undefeated, they would think twice before shooting for the legs
dont like him. he talks bad about oliviera my king. also hes russian/muslim which i dont agree with their politics. too controlling limited. i prefer more free type athiest/american views.
The Dagestani and Chechen fighters are old school warrior societies. They have strong traditional values, strong masculine role models and lifestyles. We can learn alot of good things from these warriors.
It’s like the Gracies from the 90s. Dagestani grappling is “different” it’s just a matter of time before the world catches up. Immediately may be, eventually YES!! Fighting is an art for a reason
The gracies were frauds from the start anyway, the only reason they won so much is because they always had rules in their favor or vs people who couldnt grapple. On top of that they actually lost quite a notable amount of times, but would always come up with some bullshit excuse on why it didnt count.
The only way to catch up is to develope that lifestyle. The world is getting more destructive especially in the west. When women are easily accessible, drugs, parties. Only monks would be able to beat those Dagestani guys
I think the key to defeating their style is controlling open space - the next stage in MMA’s evolution. That’s the only way to negate their penetration step. Most MMA fighters are lacking with footwork and controlling open space; I believe it’s because most gyms only have one cage; the fighters spar together on the mats, and they don’t have space much space to fight. Anyways, if fighters can develop better footwork, and better sparring methods/drills to teach controlling open space, they can overcome the Caucus fighters.
@@moody9442 dagestani fighters are quite literally among the most respected in the sport. khabib nurmagomedov is the single most important mma fighter of the last 5 years
@zandaughtry7936 not arguing one way or another (I don't personally believe he's the goat) but I think it's inarguable that he's likely had the biggest impact in the sport's modern history since anderson silva
Usman , is 36, bad knees, had 2 week notice, 2 weeks to acclimate to desert climate, fought in a new weight class and carried khamzat like book bag to get his only 10-8 round. Honestly I think if that didn’t happen he would have gotten decision. These Dagestani guys are awesome but they are far from invincible. According to your logic, I see Strickland keeping his belt more then ever. He’s a pressure fighter, with great striking. MMA is alway evolving.
I think guys like prime Jose Aldo and prime Robbie Lawler would’ve been really tough for the Dagestani style to deal with. Guys who were fighting wrestlers often and basically became anti-wrestlers, with dangerous explosive striking. The only way to stop these guys is to keep them from getting their hands on you, and both of those fighters were exceptional at sprawling and immediately getting back into space. That being said, the dominance that Dagestani fighters are showing right now is really extraordinary. It might be a while before other fighters can figure out a solution. But I believe it’s coming. The game moves really fast and no one style can remain so dominant for more than a few years it seems.
It also helps that judges love takedowns for the sake of takedowns. You dont need to even threaten with a submission or do any damage, as long as you get a takedown and rack up some conttol time you're cruising your way to a win
Benson Henderson vs Rustan Khabilov Demetrious Johnson vs Ali Bagautinov Kevin Lee vs Magomed Mustafaev Joaquin Buckley vs Albert Duraev Curtis Blaydes vs Shamil Abdurakhimov Ed Herman vs Khadis Ibragimov Anthony Rocco Martin vs Ramazan Emeev Chris Weidman vs Omari Akhmedov Jordan Johnson vs Adam Yandiev Tim Elliott vs Tagir Ulanbekov Kenny Robertson vs Sultan Aliev Gian Villante vs Saparbek Safarov Sean Strickland vs Abus Magomedov Sean Strickland vs Nassourdine Imavov Grant Dawson vs Damir Ismagulov Elizeu Zaleski dos Santos vs Abubakar Nurmagomedov Elizeu Zaleski dos Santos vs Omari Akhmedov Sérgio Moraes vs Omari Akhmedov Carlos Diego Ferreira vs Mairbek Taisumov Carlos Diego Ferreira vs Rustam Khabilov Caio Borralho vs Gadzhi Omargadzhiev Jailton Almeida vs Shamil Abdurakhimov Michel Pereira vs Zelim Imadaev Danilo Marques vs Khadis Ibragimov Adriano martins vs Islam Makhachev Rodolfo Vieira vs Saparbek Safarov Rodolfo Bellato vs Murtaza Talha Mauricio Ruffy vs Raymond Magomedaliev Paul Craig vs Magomedov Ankalaev Jack Shore vs Timur Valiev This dudes aren't invincible lol. Just like those BJJ guys in the late 90s. People just like to focus on the the successful ones.
Another problem is these guys are adapting too. Charles tried to pressure Islam their whole fight and got countered for it every time. Being a sniper AND a high level grappler is just not fair
Then what would you say about ankalaev vs johnny walker? you have no idea how we street fight in russia. The wrestler always win cuz they are the one stompping or soccer kicks, knee their opponent@@zenmartialartist701
@@VeteranGODAnkalaev would have won. But like the OP commented, in a ruleset that does allow grounded knees, wrestling based fighters are in fact losing more often. To add to your statement, a lot of grapplers in one actually don't often use the ability to knee downed opponents. Ankalaev is an outlier in this conversation, not the norm
@@zenmartialartist701 then how are they lose more often maybe because they are just not a better fighter and not the best like in ufc , and there are different types of grappler bjj and wrestling aren't the same type of grappling. Wrestler usually are the one who will be able to knee downed opponents because they are the one on top, and i'm pretty sure what i'm talking about is true, because in russia i've seen alot and its a real fight im talking about here a "street fight". Espically these dagenstanis, chechen or central asians. They know how to fight in a real fight wherether with weapons or not
how to stop Wrestlers and BJJ guys from dominating (or at least make them less dominating): bring back Pride rules, legalize kicks, stomps and knees to the head of grounded opponent
I think more fighters need to remember that they can catch the wrestler with a knee counter as they come in, and if the switch knee doesnt land then you've almost certainly made it more difficult for them to try and and attempt a TD. But if your blueprint is correct with straight punches and pressure being key then Sean Stickland should beat khamzat and really represents this style quite well
One who has dedicated his whole life rather competing with others competes with his own self can't be stopped at any cost, so they are laser focused about their goals which lead them to keep on going.
Hey TJ could you maybe make a top 10 list? Even just a subjective goat tierlist where you breakdown why you think someone is great, it’s probably simple for you to make and it’s perfect for the youtube algo, I also want to know who u think is better between Mighty Mouse and Jon jones
That forward pressure with fast punches down the middle is why I think Strickland gives Khamzat problems. Strickland’s pressure is crazy, and his cardio is way better than Khamzat’s too. And he’s a big dude. We’ll see!
@karatewithelian9014 what did you expect though not making excuses but logically volk stood no chance subbing in a week before the fight he really should of never took the fight
@karatewithelian9014 More than likely it will never happen I assume Islam's going to dominate the lightweight for a bit them move to welter weight. I mean good on islam hes a great fighter arguably p4p #1 right now. In hindsight i think while volk was trying to be confident in his skills it came off as arrogant or discrediting Islam's skills to think he had a chance against the best lightweight arguably better than khabib was in his prime and for him to think he could win with no camp just recovering from a shoulder injury. As a volk fan I just hope this doesn't start his downfall sometimes bad knockouts could weaken your chin so I worry when he goes back to featherweight he won't be able to take a punch like he used too.
you have to be aggressive and put the pressure on these guys. this keeps them on the back foot but also keeps your back against the cage which is where they are the most effective. also have to focus on stopping the chain wrestling. lots of ppl stop the first shot but then forget a second attempt is coming
if ufc would the fighters fight and not hold back like they do with knees to a down opponent & 12-6 eIbows.. we would see less wrestling cause they would be scared to get knocked tf out. it’s such a shame that lay and pray /wet bIanking & holding someone against the fence for dear life can win you a fight. those undefeated jobbers that can’t land a jab would not be undefeated, they would think twice before shooting for the legs
6:50 lemme ask you this. Would you feel better throwing a knee going forward, or throwing a knee while going backwards?also trying to level change going backwards just takes longer I feel and is less fluid. But if you shoot on your opponent going forwards I think you have a better chance of getting the takedown if you don’t get kneed into oblivion. Better to set that up from the clench.
Barbosa did a fine job with low kicks as well against Khabib for some time. The issue is that it's very hard to not run out of gas and stay disciplined all 3/5 rounds with that approach.
@@nikagogibedashvili6476 Yea ik, but justin was a good example of those low kicks that visually did something (even if it was little) compared to barboza's which he just ate.
@@getroasted7907 I am not arguing that Justin didn't do a better job. Sure he did. But Barbosa also utilized same defense and for a short period Khabib seemed confused.
I be honest,the only way to win against those guy,is your guys have to throw away,all your bad habits, you can't drink alcohol,you can't have party,you have to eat and train only for 30 year,then you can catch up with them
Personally, as someone who's grappled, and sparred with a few of these guys(I'm not a high level pro just learning), where they're getting the edge is just by always attacking, what's going to stop these guys is going to be an aggressive offensive wrestler, and it's going to shock everyone, b/c that's all it takes. They're not bad off the back but they're not gordon ryan either. Usman has become reliant on boxing, but legit covington if he doesn't rely on striking might show us, what I've known for quite a while. Your defense against their takedowns can't be turning your back and slipping out, you have to go for the chest wrap and really stuff them, and you have to take them down. Now as I'm saying this I don't want people to think that it means it will be easy, or simple, It will be hard, and won't guarantee a victory, But that's the method that will do it. Meeting their aggression, and backing them up. Those guys have a pride about moving forward, if you don't let them go forward, they count that as a loss, as a check against their pride.
I feel like the perfect counter to the 1st reason (Stop the wresting) Is just being better in that game and fight back the same way If it’s inevitable and it’s something you can’t escape even somebody like Usman couldn’t Then the name of the game should be wrestling back otherwise your energy will deplete since you’re so busy trying defend their almost impossible to defend wrestling Bo Nickal may or may not just have that 👀
It’s possible if you’re a wrestling specialist but this strategy isn’t accessible for most. You’d either have to start out with a high level wrestling base like say, Bo, Cejudo etc, or put in an insane, almost unrealistic amount of time into wrestling in the gym to the point where it might mitigate your other skills
@@jocoolshow to be fair Not just anybody can beat these guys at the top Only very few will actually be able to defeat these men at their own game Not many have the skills they do which what makes them thrive but you are 100% correct and I do agree w you
its all because of zabit and khabib tbh. If you look at dagestani and chechan olympic, they've got a reasonable amount of olympians who've won medals, mainly dagestani. Now due to zabit and mainly khabib, most of the fighters that wanted to be olympians now want to become mma fighters. And with how they live and breath wrestling/fighting, it makes sense how they're dominatin competition
Aldo doesn't need submissions off his back because no one ever got him down there to begin with. As a BJJ black belt though, I am sure he could submit guys if he wanted to.
@@TheNEOverse well yeah, Aldo was/is known for having the best takedown defense in mma history. Just saying that the fighter he described in the video is basically Jose Aldo with crazy submissions
@@ryokimura523 Well we haven’t seen Islam or Khabib move up in weight so once I see Islam fight someone like Colby or Leon then I can be more certain about how good Islam really is
The big problem with giving up the takedown is that they're winning rounds while they're on top, ideally plan a is to fight in a position and range where the shots are too far away and obvious. Punching to the body too, everyone swings wildly at their heads which just opens up the shot. Feinting, hitting the body and ideally moving forward could work with the right fighter
Leg kicks+straight punches. So basically… Israel Adesanya? Since trying to stop the takedown once they get a hold of you is out of the question, maybe a point fighting style where they use footwork to stay completely out of takedown range while peppering shots is the answer. Since they outclass grapplers so badly, it really might take an elite striker.
Izzy likes to fight off the back foot and isn't really a pressure fighter though. It's only a matter of time before you're taken down if you let them pick the optimum moment.
@@alexp5569 I don’t think a pressure fighter would be right though, since they want to close distance anyways. A sniper with quick feet may have the better chance.
@@Suplex479 There has been 20+ 'combat sports' champions (olympic medalists, boxing champ, mma champs, taekwondo champs, world wrestling champs) the takeover has just started in MMA give it time you will see in 2 years time Umar, Usman, Ankalaev and Mokaev as UFC champs
nah dc was kinda speaking truth with it being harder to shoot on the backfoot. unless you specifically work on loading up on that back step and you can wrestle off both legs then you’re simply not gonna be able to reliably take a good shot moving backwards. almost every takedown has some type of forward momentum. you dont see khamzat backing up to shoot but you do see him rocket himself forward with a huge penetration step from the open with a high level of success in what is essentially a high level blast double or high c. food for thought
When it comes to wrestling, you can shoot while on the backfoot, but you need really good timing like Islam. I think more guys like Bo Nickal can stop the wrestling. Usually wrestlers of his caliber dont go into MMA.
Craig Jones has the ground secrets. I don't know how anyone can gain the positional perfection and isometric strength they hav without many years of training. These guys start wrestling when they can walk.
Cage work. Plain and simple. Their styles are catered to having the cage to use. People focus on the defense but in order to understand defense you have to have offense and most people don’t necessarily train offensive cage work like dagi’s do.
@@DotK-t9m you are right. But you are thinking sport specific. I’m thinking training specific. They all train cage work. We saw with Volk that being able to have an offensive ground game allowed for him to understand the defensive ground game. He almost Broke Islam in the first fight with it. In my opinion. Offensive ground and pound and Leg Locks are the key to beating Dagi’s.
UFC has some cheat codes; calf kicks, obleek kicks shoulder strikes, revers elbows, teep kicks, liver kicks, ankle hooks, the Camorra, flattening your opponent out with hooks in
First fight Volk vs Islam: 1. In Australia 2. Volk walks around like a light heavyweight when he's not fighting + Islam had less time to rehydrate. He was drained during that fight. 3. Volk had a full camp Conclusion: It doesn't matter what you do, they still win.
I think both forward pressure and leg kicks may be good suggestions, but I doubt neither would work on someone who has worked on his stand up as well as is the case with Islam, Usman and Umar, who also keep on improving. Charles was moving forward a lot more in the second round and that got him knocked down, Volk missed almost every inside leg kick he threw in the second fight and we saw Islam in many occasions grab a leg kick and use it to initiate a takedown. but yea I feel like Khamzat who has relatively subpar standup game and relies mostly on his power is susceptible to especially being pressured as we have seen in the Burns and Usman fight.
Keep coping. there is no evidence whatsoever that these guys are abusing weight more than literally any other fighter in the sport. If you compare normal weight of Justin vs Islam Justin is by a large shot is the bigger guy, but nobody ever criticized him for being a weight bully ist
Its the stamina of these guys, constant movement and pressuring. Imagine having to try to get someone off your back for 15 mins. Their takedown defense is also elite. It would take someone like a Jon Jones to win.
As a Dagestani, I will explain to you where the style of all these fighters comes from. The first is a street fight: in a street fight in Dagestan nobody will fight with you on his hands like a boxer, one punch in a jump to the head, a pass to the legs and a take-down (you can see in Khabib's early fights). The second is sambo: SAMBO and combat SAMBO at the slightest clashes and shortening the distance opponents grab kimano and all the fight in a stand-up position is over (opponents are looking for rapprochement). The third moment is free wrestling here speed passes, work with the body, throws through the thigh suflexes.
I could be wrong. But I think it might be because of the UFC rules regarding “control time” when a Dagestani is on top of an opponent. They purposely do this to waste as much time as possible.
They don’t go to a ground game to be in the bottom and are as tough and and a little more cauculistic. At least Khabib,Islam,and Khamzat matured a lot. Comparing to the Brazilians. But you can count in the fingers the new era and old of Russians. Overall, I think Brazil has more history in mma. But The Russians are dominating now, hat’s off to them. They brought a new level to the game.
Is'n it very hard thing to do in MMA setting? Not getting hugged while figthing like a pressure boxer. I wish we could see some high level boxers in UFC. Petr Yan and Strickland examples the high level boxing and it is so fun to watch.
All the UFC needs to do is paying more, compared to other sports, MMA pays their stars so little. Major athletes in the US are not going to do MMA while they can play basketball, football, baseball, hockey, or even boxing. Imagine some guys in the NBA or NFL do MMA from the early age, it would be a wrap.
The real question is why we sould stop them. They are all good guys fighting for their family. Until there is somebody better they can and they WILL dominate a bunch of divisions.
Saying that guys like Volk or Usman are busy with stuff like that is crazy And it's also not the religion cuz if we go by that, we should consider that basically 95% of all the current all time greats are non Muslim fighters The only 2 Muslim all time greats that I can name right now would be Usman and Khabib while I could name like 15 non Muslim ones They all work hard dude It's just that these Russian guys have a great time and people around them that basically do all the same which is just train
On your point of wrestling on the back foot. Yes it’s very difficult. When your shoot you need to be grounded with your weight under you. So you can generate power and speed. Imagine trying to launch into a full sprint while standing upright.
You also gotta remember that these guys train like crazy. All they do is train and live life “the right way”. They don’t go out, party, drink, do drugs, or really anything stupid. They are focused on the game 100%
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Alchool, parties, drugs are a heavy weight that make your life worse no matter what life you have
The only drugs they’re doing are peds.
“Durrrrr I thought they were just vitamins” every Russian when they pop, and they will pop because they’re all cheating. Islam popped once already.
And they many of them cut extreme weight, never take fights on 10 days notice, and pull out of fgihts the night of when things aren't going their way
@@Dmachtzwinners celebrate losers losers explains
Dana, sign me in and I will stop them all
he is that guy
Only thing you getting signed is the McDonald application
Me too. Let me personally fight Islam
@@MisterNearBROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTAL
@@Mr-Opiumalright then I'll take on khamzat
I think it’s also worth mentioning that Ikrams only loss happened when he fought khamzat. Doesn’t change much, but that does mean these guys have a 97.5% win rate when facing other opponents.
As a former wrestler I can tell you that trying to get a shot with someone pushing you back is nearly impossible unless you train for it.
if ufc would the fighters fight and not hold back like they do with knees to a down opponent & 12-6 eIbows.. we would see less wrestling cause they would be scared to get knocked tf out. it’s such a shame that lay and pray /wet bIanking & holding someone against the fence for dear life can win you a fight. those undefeated jobbers that can’t land a jab would not be undefeated like they are now.
@@beaualoevvsuch a casual thing to say, you obviously don't know that thiswould make them more dangerous because they have better chances of doing it then be done to them you are mistaking them jujutsu guys who sit on the canvas all the time and prefer to be on their back, these guys are always on top of their opponents so any type of strike or elbow or kick they have better chances of doing it then their opponent has .
@@beaualoevv Go watch boxing then if you are complaining about wrestling, it is a part of mma, either get used to it or stop complaining.
@@beaualoevvgo watch boxing pussy its called MIXED Martial arts not “Fight the way you enjoy watching” 😂
Shooting a takedown moving backwards is very difficult I think because it takes away your penetration step but also limits what kind of takedowns are available
Only Volkanovski, master of all elements could stop them, but when the world needed him most he vanished
Twice
Like he stopped Islam?
Volkanovski couldn't stop anyone. He lost to Islam twice including the first one where he was depleted fighting in Volk's backyard with way too many disadvantages 😂 islam Is a master of element too but the only difference is, he's a better master than Volk and more Advanced with More sub-elements.
Thrice now @@ObinnaOkehie
When the world needed him most he got head kicked.
Khamzat Chimaev didn’t grow up learning sambo. He’s a 100% freestyle wrestler.
That's why he can't strike
@@IqbalIqbal-kx9pfwhy striking when you can literally ragdoll someone of usman level
@@darchandarchan7036you mean hug
Yeah I don't think he should be lumped in with dagis. He's not even really a Chechen fighter, he learned to fight in Sweden
@@syphonunfilteredhe didn't move to Sweden until he was already an adult, and he was already grappling before that. Dude doesn't have a swedish accent.
Sorry, had to make some corrections/clarifications. Thanks fellas, busy week
what happened? lol
Dude, Ankalaev checked 90% Jan’s kicks but the problem was that Jan has such thick bones that those checks didn't matter to him, and he just continued kicking!
Jan purposely kicks shins. It’s brutal lol it’s years of conditioning.
@@phantom_mist1726that too but mostly genetic bug dense bones
@@phantom_mist1726hurts so bad if no one has felt it ouch man still remember clashing shins like it was yesterday lol
The fact he was able to even get a takedown shows the skill level of Ank, future champ after he wins against alex in ufc either 301 (if he defends against hill)
GSP also shared the same sentiment when he was asked how he would tackle a khabib fight. He said that he’d try to be the aggressive wrestler initiating the offence because these sambo guys arent used to be the ones who get the pressure put on them, especially in the wrestling department. So basically be the aggressive one and put them on their back.
That’s the correct answer. Sambo guys aren’t that good at striking and struggle when they actually get challenged.
@@AndrewLaReal😂😂. What a casual. Makhachev is arguably top 3 best striker and they train all the time with high wrestlers
5 ko two of which didn’t even occur in UFC is not top striking.
@@AndrewLaReal look how casual r u. By ur logic maywether is avg boxer🤣🤣. Makhachev beat best striker volk twice, once while being dehydrated. He was completely dehydrated but still beat p4p1. This shows Makhachev is best in history of mma
Lol definitely a troll. Imagine comparing a different sport that doesn’t account for the same level of fighting or stylesshows lack of knowledge. Nice try kid. Go bother someone else
I'm way more of a boxing fan than an MMA fan but I always tune into TJ's videos cuz these breakdowns are awesome, keep it up man
@AHALKALAKETSok buddy
mma is much better
@AHALKALAKETS I don’t think it’s dead this year has been good for boxing but I love mma too it’s fun to watch both but boxing does have lack luster sometimes
boxing events are so boring. Who tf wants to watch a concert when they buy a boxing ppv. Boxing should just run their shows like ufc hyping up the whole card and giving promo time/ pre fight interviews to unknown fighters instead of the two big stars like they do now. @@panooze2607
@AHALKALAKETS Garcia V Davis, and Usyk vs Dubois, did over a million PPV buys. Canelo Alvarez vs. Jermell Charlo was 700k PPV buys in the USA alone. Boxing is not dead. Boxing is a mismanaged sport.
This guy does the best MMA analysis. One thing he needs is to post more often. His analysis is balanced & you can never detect any bias
Going off your first point, I wonder if working more on leglocks and/or weird situational attacks (buggy choke, flytrap) would help fighters stay active when fighting off the bottom. I'm not saying you're going to buggy choke Islam, but some of these moves and positions might help you avoid damage because the grappler on top has to stop punching you in order to address it. And I think leglocks tend not to be a strong part of the Dagestani grappling style, which again probably won't lead to a ton of subs but would allow for openings, scrambles, and opportunities to stand up (which I believe Olivera used against Islam).
Just some thoughts. Cool video.
Leg locks? Hell no lol. Puts you in way too bad of a position
@@fred4800leg locks are extremely effective against sambo wrestlers, khabib’s sambo team recently went against jiu jitsu guys in a tournament a heel hooks kept submitting them. if u actually know how to go for a heel hook while being defensive, it’s definitely the best path for a submission
@@chris_doesnt_exist-762 Bro that was in jiu-jitsu, khabib's team doesnt do sambo, they do combat sambo. Its more akin to MMA, that tournament means literally nothing. because in a real fight going for legs against someone who is really good on top gets your ass beaten up, IF you even get that hold. Leg locks is literally the meta in all top level grappling anyway so its not surprising that top level guys are getting hit with leg locks.
@@chris_doesnt_exist-762 didn't charles go for a leg lock against islam in their first fight? i assume that was to get up, but still it was there
leglocks & buggy chokes don't work in the scope of MMA as well, pure grappling yes since if you see ADCC not a lot of sambo guys.
Fun fact. The reason why Sambo guys have problems with leg kicks is because leg kicks gets you no points in competitions and is usually used as a fake. Same thing goes for Russian hand-to-hand fighting - you get 0 points for leg kicks, 1 point for body/face shot, 2 points for a head kick (might be wrong on this one) and 2 points for takedowns.
MMA fighters worldwide must be grateful they never unleashed Hasbulla.
Lmao
😅
he’s lucky he has people around him to protect him. he should walk around alone in an eastern european country or usa
Pretty spot on TJ, but I was surprised to not hear a mention of Strickland vs Magomedov. Strickland kinda followed your gameplan to a T, minus the leg kicks ig. Magomedov could not do anything to Sean on the ground, and on the feet Sean applied endless pressure and forced him on the backfoot with straight punches, as he tends to do. Yes, abus gassed, but Sean's strategy would have worked for as long abus lasted.
Abus isn't like the rest of them. He went to germany when he was young. These guys aren't born knowing how to wrestle, they just train this every day for 20 years before coming to the ufc
Bro why you act like every Russian wrestler is unbeatable they can lose especially against sean that dude had no business fighting him they brought a nobody and you giving Sean credit for that
@sssh8596 abus was the one being presented as the hot prospect, against an older Strickland who had just been knocked out by pereira. nobody was giving sean a chance in that one lol
Abus is a Dagestani in blood, but a German in skillset
Magomedov was winning rd 1 pretty handily and then immediately turned into a punching bag rd 2. Dagestani or not, he was going to get taken out seans too good to be fighting random unranked fighters who dont have rd 2 cardio.
Took this guy 9 minutes to say straight punches might work
Magomed should have been DQ’d according to the rules. He’s lucky he got a no contest. Shouldn’t have even been up to the doctor. Shitty reffing.
Abu Dhabi
in that case jon jones should've lost by dq as well
@@youngclueless7364 for the 12 to 6 elbow? yes, he should’ve. it was in the rules as an illegal strike.
@@surfandsnow1 no i'm talking about when he illegally kneed anthony smith, that should have been a DQ regardless
@@youngclueless7364 rules are rules and an illegal strike is an illegal strike. should be DQ
“This is the first time that we’ve seen one region dominate in modern Mixed Martial Arts” I believe Brazil would like a word lol
The Russians have been doing that with boxing /mma for 20 year (Dagestani, Chechnya are parts of Russia). There are a few other places like Brazil, America (certain states do more than others).
@@olliefoxx7165 What's the result bro ?
@@subhanshekiliyev9383 What do you mean? Dagistan is a part of Russia. I literally said that.
Kamaru Usman was a D3 collegiate wrestler, if anyone can stop Khamzats grappling at middleweight it’s Bo Nickal and his extremely high level D1 wrestling.
Usman was a D2 champion, but yeah. Not same caliber as Bo Nickel. And he's much smaller and has no knees
@@fangiscool1 ur totally right lol it was D2😂 almost placed in nationals all four years… daaaamn. but still Bo would have a field day with Usman in straight wrestling.
@maltheri9833 colby wasn’t a three time national champion
colby took usman down....@maltheri9833
@@abrahamcooke802 people said the same thing about henry cejudo and look what happened he got taken down by cornball sterling a D3 wrestler
btw...HENRY was a gold medal olympic wrestler just letting u know MMA math doesn't work all the time ma guy
First it was BJJ, then it was Muay Thai now it’s the era of these Caucasus boys, truth is I don’t really see a quick formula thought up in a camp to beat them because really they don’t do anything “tricky” they’re just solid wrestlers and lately have been producing some solid strikers, add in genetic components and superhuman tier level cardio due to the region they live in and you’ve got a pretty solid war machine. Only way to beat them is too just be better at what they do then they are.
Agreed. Khabib won because of the wrestling and especially his top wrestling style centered around using the legs and hips so the hands are free for ground and pound. Islam and the others are winning because they're more allround than their opponents and the rest has to catch up. When they do catch up I think their builds and lack of crazy athleticism might become their weak points. A slender long arms+legs build with supreme athleticism like Jon Jones has might decide the fight when the skills are even.
@@m.o.5291there's literally only one Jon Jones, so that doesn't sound reasonable at all. No one has the physical advantages in their division that Jon Jones had.
But these guys are beatable. Islam didn't dominate Volk the first fight. And Khabib never fought a great grappler. They're dominant but far from unbeatable
@@fangiscool1 No one is unbeatable you have literally zero points in this pointless comment. Khabib was the greatest grappler of his time in the LW division, you couldnt name a single fighter in the 2015-2020 area not named Tony(who wasnt a grappler but a striker) that could even hope to match him. The only other person you could claim was anywhere near great wrestler status at that point was alverez, and he was a known vocal dodger of fighting khabib to the point, that it caused the conor super fight to happen. Furthermore Islam did win 4-1 rounds, and was on his way to getting a 5-0 score until he got caught in the 5th round. And all of this was done while he was completely dehydrated to the point that volk's teams gameplan was even based on him being dehydrated, and felt they lost their perfect chance to beat him. The weight-cuts on that card were so bad the UFC even lobbied longer time periods from weigh-ins to fights when they went back to Australia for the future.
@@ChaosReaper426 Actually there was another great grappler in the division, RDA, who Khabib thoroughly dismantled when they fought. If RDA didn't lose to Khabib he would have had a 10 fight winstreak, he then went on to become the champ because Khabib got injured and couldn't fight for a while.
Yeah, but I feel like people also overstate how dominant they are. The US still has the most champs rn. Which isn’t to say the US is just so much better either.
Please TJ, can you make a video about the concept of level of competition? Many guys treat the guys of the past like trash because “they only fought bums and taxi drivers”, like Aldo and Chavez when comparing then to Volk and Canelo. Is that true? I would like to see your opinion about that.
This, definitely
I think fighters today are better on average, but I also think the best can stack up in any era. And maybe not Aldo and Chavez specifically, but in fairness some all time greats really did fight people who weren’t pro fighters. The sport is in such a different spot now where it’s an actual job.
If you could build on that should also do a video world class martial art ability vs amateur what’s the difference and why is borz so good and considered world class after only 6 years
It's often used to discredit the legacy of some fighters which is kinda sad ngl
I often hear that especially when it comes to Khabib
See it might not be the best comparison since he was sooo dominant, but Silva v Izzy really changed my mind on that. He wasn’t outclassed at all by Izzy, and Silva was far past prime while Izzy was in the middle of his
I think the stuff that we do specifically for one martial art ends up working in mma, we see this a lot of times, big example is when Sean Strickland used a Philly shell to fight Adesanya, a technique that was thought only worked in boxing. Mow we see fighters letting themselves be taken down, the move is kinda similar to “pulling guard”, but the main difference is that you do it while the rival takes you down, so that way the opponent doesn’t notice you pulled guard and that you are planing your next move while they are worried about gaining top position. Or even calf kicks, they are used in Muay Thai but specially used a lot in Dutch kickboxing, and mma fighters started to use it and saw how effective they were. I’m not saying that we need to copy paste exactly the techniques of the 4 main martial arts (wrestling, bjj, boxing, Muay Thai/kickboxing) that mma fighters practice, but fighters should learn the most perfected moves in those main martial arts and adapt it to mma, because if it works in a format of fighting, it will probably also work in mma.
I think the future of bjj and grappling in mma will be leg locks, fighters are going to start to use more leg locks, they are alredy starting to practice it more and do it more often in the mma fights of one championship, and is obviously a technique that is used A LOT in bjj and I think in the future it will be also be used more often by mma fighters, not the exactly same way, but it will be used more.
Khamzat just needs a opponent that knows ahead of time
This is kinda a random example that has nothing to do with caucus people but i remember watching DWCS, and Andre Lima vs Rickson Zenidim was the most perfect example of countering a grappling/wrestling heavy approach i could think of recently. Kickboxer with elite TDD and he implemented his gameplay with forward movement.
if ufc would the fighters fight and not hold back like they do with knees to a down opponent & 12-6 eIbows.. we would see less wrestling cause they would be scared to get knocked tf out. it’s such a shame that lay and pray /wet bIanking & holding someone against the fence for dear life can win you a fight. those undefeated jobbers that can’t land a jab would not be undefeated, they would think twice before shooting for the legs
You like mix martial arts you will like Makhachev, he is one of the most well rounded mma fighter in ufc history.
dont like him. he talks bad about oliviera my king. also hes russian/muslim which i dont agree with their politics. too controlling limited. i prefer more free type athiest/american views.
lw goat imo
@@johnmarkson1990 who cares
@@harrywatson2694relax buddy. He has only fought one LW.
Not the most well rounded, but great
The Dagestani and Chechen fighters are old school warrior societies. They have strong traditional values, strong masculine role models and lifestyles. We can learn alot of good things from these warriors.
It’s like the Gracies from the 90s. Dagestani grappling is “different” it’s just a matter of time before the world catches up. Immediately may be, eventually YES!! Fighting is an art for a reason
Can’t wait for the Dagestani/Chechens to experience their version of Sakuraba 😂
@@grimgoreironhide9985"the Caucasian Hunter"
The gracies were frauds from the start anyway, the only reason they won so much is because they always had rules in their favor or vs people who couldnt grapple. On top of that they actually lost quite a notable amount of times, but would always come up with some bullshit excuse on why it didnt count.
The only way to catch up is to develope that lifestyle. The world is getting more destructive especially in the west. When women are easily accessible, drugs, parties. Only monks would be able to beat those Dagestani guys
But they are knocking people out on the feet? Sambo masters are complete fighters
Makhachev defended all of Volk’s leg kicks in the second fight. He is becoming the Bret Hart of MMA. Most technically gifted.
he did it also in the first fight , he would either counter volk with the left hand or pull back
I think the key to defeating their style is controlling open space - the next stage in MMA’s evolution. That’s the only way to negate their penetration step.
Most MMA fighters are lacking with footwork and controlling open space; I believe it’s because most gyms only have one cage; the fighters spar together on the mats, and they don’t have space much space to fight.
Anyways, if fighters can develop better footwork, and better sparring methods/drills to teach controlling open space, they can overcome the Caucus fighters.
TKD/Karate does a very good job of controlling open space and playing the range game.
as decisively as a lot of these guys won at 294, they also looked very beatable
people keep sayimg that and people keep sleeping. better start respecting these guys cuz no one does
@@moody9442 dagestani fighters are quite literally among the most respected in the sport. khabib nurmagomedov is the single most important mma fighter of the last 5 years
@@thomas_walkerHe's still no goat
@@zandaughtry7936 he doesn't have to be, being a game changer is enough for a great legacy
@zandaughtry7936 not arguing one way or another (I don't personally believe he's the goat) but I think it's inarguable that he's likely had the biggest impact in the sport's modern history since anderson silva
It’s not just training that make these guys so good it’s also their faith in God ..that gives them a clear mind
If these dagestani dudes won't stopped by someone... 20 years later promotions become wrestling Olympics but with money
they never fight each other. imagine chimaev vs aliskerov 2.
Is the real world legit brother?
Most of them are different why should they fight each other
These fighters are a different breed period. Straight up kids who grew up in the mountains by hard people during hard times.
Usman , is 36, bad knees, had 2 week notice, 2 weeks to acclimate to desert climate, fought in a new weight class and carried khamzat like book bag to get his only 10-8 round. Honestly I think if that didn’t happen he would have gotten decision.
These Dagestani guys are awesome but they are far from invincible. According to your logic, I see Strickland keeping his belt more then ever. He’s a pressure fighter, with great striking. MMA is alway evolving.
Khamzat is not dagestani.
I think guys like prime Jose Aldo and prime Robbie Lawler would’ve been really tough for the Dagestani style to deal with. Guys who were fighting wrestlers often and basically became anti-wrestlers, with dangerous explosive striking. The only way to stop these guys is to keep them from getting their hands on you, and both of those fighters were exceptional at sprawling and immediately getting back into space. That being said, the dominance that Dagestani fighters are showing right now is really extraordinary. It might be a while before other fighters can figure out a solution. But I believe it’s coming. The game moves really fast and no one style can remain so dominant for more than a few years it seems.
yeah, Aldo had an insane ability to stand back up after being taken down, even by elite wrestlers.
It also helps that judges love takedowns for the sake of takedowns. You dont need to even threaten with a submission or do any damage, as long as you get a takedown and rack up some conttol time you're cruising your way to a win
There's gonna be a guy eventually sakuraba managed to beat all the gracies
Benson Henderson vs Rustan Khabilov
Demetrious Johnson vs Ali Bagautinov
Kevin Lee vs Magomed Mustafaev
Joaquin Buckley vs Albert Duraev
Curtis Blaydes vs Shamil Abdurakhimov
Ed Herman vs Khadis Ibragimov
Anthony Rocco Martin vs Ramazan Emeev
Chris Weidman vs Omari Akhmedov
Jordan Johnson vs Adam Yandiev
Tim Elliott vs Tagir Ulanbekov
Kenny Robertson vs Sultan Aliev
Gian Villante vs Saparbek Safarov
Sean Strickland vs Abus Magomedov
Sean Strickland vs Nassourdine Imavov
Grant Dawson vs Damir Ismagulov
Elizeu Zaleski dos Santos vs Abubakar Nurmagomedov
Elizeu Zaleski dos Santos vs Omari Akhmedov
Sérgio Moraes vs Omari Akhmedov
Carlos Diego Ferreira vs Mairbek Taisumov
Carlos Diego Ferreira vs Rustam
Khabilov
Caio Borralho vs Gadzhi Omargadzhiev
Jailton Almeida vs Shamil Abdurakhimov
Michel Pereira vs Zelim Imadaev
Danilo Marques vs Khadis Ibragimov
Adriano martins vs Islam Makhachev
Rodolfo Vieira vs Saparbek Safarov
Rodolfo Bellato vs Murtaza Talha
Mauricio Ruffy vs Raymond Magomedaliev
Paul Craig vs Magomedov Ankalaev
Jack Shore vs Timur Valiev
This dudes aren't invincible lol.
Just like those BJJ guys in the late 90s.
People just like to focus on the
the successful ones.
Another problem is these guys are adapting too. Charles tried to pressure Islam their whole fight and got countered for it every time. Being a sniper AND a high level grappler is just not fair
@alekseikapustin6375 even after the first volk fight Islam got no credit for how good his striking looked. The guy is terrifying
Islam is too op, he needs to be nerfed 🤣
@@harrabi15 islam outboxing Dustin is just unfair bro 😭😭😭
The guys from One Championship could probably give them a hard time getting a win, there were some dagestanis who went there and had their losses
It's the implementation of grounded knees would be my guess
Then what would you say about ankalaev vs johnny walker? you have no idea how we street fight in russia. The wrestler always win cuz they are the one stompping or soccer kicks, knee their opponent@@zenmartialartist701
@@VeteranGODAnkalaev would have won. But like the OP commented, in a ruleset that does allow grounded knees, wrestling based fighters are in fact losing more often. To add to your statement, a lot of grapplers in one actually don't often use the ability to knee downed opponents. Ankalaev is an outlier in this conversation, not the norm
@@zenmartialartist701 then how are they lose more often maybe because they are just not a better fighter and not the best like in ufc , and there are different types of grappler bjj and wrestling aren't the same type of grappling. Wrestler usually are the one who will be able to knee downed opponents because they are the one on top,
and i'm pretty sure what i'm talking about is true, because in russia i've seen alot and its a real fight im talking about here a "street fight". Espically these dagenstanis, chechen or central asians. They know how to fight in a real fight wherether with weapons or not
@@VeteranGOD Seems that in fights with weapons, Ukrainians are giving them a run for their money.
would love to see your opinion on fury vs ngannou
how to stop Wrestlers and BJJ guys from dominating (or at least make them less dominating): bring back Pride rules, legalize kicks, stomps and knees to the head of grounded opponent
bad idea
@@haxed_3613stomps yeah but knees are fine
@@haxed_3613not really, grounded kicks to the head aren't more dangerous than kicks to a grounded opponent
I hate the grounded rules, soccer kicks no but they should be aloud to knee an opponent at all time no matter what
Fedor, Nogeuira, and Coleman have left the chat. If you don’t believe me that ground knees a would help grapplers, look up Coleman vs Oleg Taktarov
Your videos are kick-ass man , and I’m just a casual boxing/MMA fan . Keep goiiiiiinggggggggyyyyyy
I think more fighters need to remember that they can catch the wrestler with a knee counter as they come in, and if the switch knee doesnt land then you've almost certainly made it more difficult for them to try and and attempt a TD. But if your blueprint is correct with straight punches and pressure being key then Sean Stickland should beat khamzat and really represents this style quite well
One who has dedicated his whole life rather competing with others competes with his own self can't be stopped at any cost, so they are laser focused about their goals which lead them to keep on going.
Hey TJ could you maybe make a top 10 list? Even just a subjective goat tierlist where you breakdown why you think someone is great, it’s probably simple for you to make and it’s perfect for the youtube algo, I also want to know who u think is better between Mighty Mouse and Jon jones
That forward pressure with fast punches down the middle is why I think Strickland gives Khamzat problems. Strickland’s pressure is crazy, and his cardio is way better than Khamzat’s too. And he’s a big dude. We’ll see!
Please put a trigger warning next time you bring up a picture of Volk getting slept. I can't handle it anymore. 😔
Bruh I was so hyped to see a high level match just for it to end prematurely....what a waste of 2hours😔
@karatewithelian9014 what did you expect though not making excuses but logically volk stood no chance subbing in a week before the fight he really should of never took the fight
@@ChimpRevolution i agree in hindsight and sadly we might not see a part 3 because of that stupid decision
It’s hard out here for us volk fans :(
@karatewithelian9014 More than likely it will never happen I assume Islam's going to dominate the lightweight for a bit them move to welter weight. I mean good on islam hes a great fighter arguably p4p #1 right now. In hindsight i think while volk was trying to be confident in his skills it came off as arrogant or discrediting Islam's skills to think he had a chance against the best lightweight arguably better than khabib was in his prime and for him to think he could win with no camp just recovering from a shoulder injury. As a volk fan I just hope this doesn't start his downfall sometimes bad knockouts could weaken your chin so I worry when he goes back to featherweight he won't be able to take a punch like he used too.
you have to be aggressive and put the pressure on these guys. this keeps them on the back foot but also keeps your back against the cage which is where they are the most effective. also have to focus on stopping the chain wrestling. lots of ppl stop the first shot but then forget a second attempt is coming
if ufc would the fighters fight and not hold back like they do with knees to a down opponent & 12-6 eIbows.. we would see less wrestling cause they would be scared to get knocked tf out. it’s such a shame that lay and pray /wet bIanking & holding someone against the fence for dear life can win you a fight. those undefeated jobbers that can’t land a jab would not be undefeated, they would think twice before shooting for the legs
@@beaualoevv agreed knees to grounded opponents changes the game.
6:50 lemme ask you this. Would you feel better throwing a knee going forward, or throwing a knee while going backwards?also trying to level change going backwards just takes longer I feel and is less fluid. But if you shoot on your opponent going forwards I think you have a better chance of getting the takedown if you don’t get kneed into oblivion. Better to set that up from the clench.
I've noticed the UFC never makes any of these high ranking Muslim fighters ever fight each other. They should do that one that.
They're all in different divisions and, even when in the same division, very different places in the rankings.
They do dumb dumb
Barbosa did a fine job with low kicks as well against Khabib for some time. The issue is that it's very hard to not run out of gas and stay disciplined all 3/5 rounds with that approach.
Barbosa himself wouldn’t agree that he did a fine job fighting Khabib.
uh- honestly just say justin instead of barboza.
@@getroasted7907 Justin was mentioned in the video.
@@nikagogibedashvili6476 Yea ik, but justin was a good example of those low kicks that visually did something (even if it was little) compared to barboza's which he just ate.
@@getroasted7907 I am not arguing that Justin didn't do a better job. Sure he did. But Barbosa also utilized same defense and for a short period Khabib seemed confused.
I be honest,the only way to win against those guy,is your guys have to throw away,all your bad habits, you can't drink alcohol,you can't have party,you have to eat and train only for 30 year,then you can catch up with them
Introduce women and alcohol is the only way 😭
The McGregor factor
It's haram 😂
Haram.
Personally, as someone who's grappled, and sparred with a few of these guys(I'm not a high level pro just learning), where they're getting the edge is just by always attacking, what's going to stop these guys is going to be an aggressive offensive wrestler, and it's going to shock everyone, b/c that's all it takes. They're not bad off the back but they're not gordon ryan either. Usman has become reliant on boxing, but legit covington if he doesn't rely on striking might show us, what I've known for quite a while. Your defense against their takedowns can't be turning your back and slipping out, you have to go for the chest wrap and really stuff them, and you have to take them down. Now as I'm saying this I don't want people to think that it means it will be easy, or simple, It will be hard, and won't guarantee a victory, But that's the method that will do it. Meeting their aggression, and backing them up. Those guys have a pride about moving forward, if you don't let them go forward, they count that as a loss, as a check against their pride.
I feel like the perfect counter to the 1st reason
(Stop the wresting)
Is just being better in that game and fight back the same way
If it’s inevitable and it’s something you can’t escape even somebody like Usman couldn’t
Then the name of the game should be wrestling back otherwise your energy will deplete since you’re so busy trying defend their almost impossible to defend wrestling
Bo Nickal may or may not just have that 👀
It’s possible if you’re a wrestling specialist but this strategy isn’t accessible for most. You’d either have to start out with a high level wrestling base like say, Bo, Cejudo etc, or put in an insane, almost unrealistic amount of time into wrestling in the gym to the point where it might mitigate your other skills
@@jocoolshow to be fair
Not just anybody can beat these guys at the top
Only very few will actually be able to defeat these men at their own game
Not many have the skills they do which what makes them thrive but you are 100% correct and I do agree w you
its all because of zabit and khabib tbh. If you look at dagestani and chechan olympic, they've got a reasonable amount of olympians who've won medals, mainly dagestani. Now due to zabit and mainly khabib, most of the fighters that wanted to be olympians now want to become mma fighters. And with how they live and breath wrestling/fighting, it makes sense how they're dominatin competition
so basically Jose Aldo but with submissions off his back
Aldo doesn't need submissions off his back because no one ever got him down there to begin with. As a BJJ black belt though, I am sure he could submit guys if he wanted to.
@@TheNEOverse well yeah, Aldo was/is known for having the best takedown defense in mma history. Just saying that the fighter he described in the video is basically Jose Aldo with crazy submissions
Start by applying the rules about nut shots and knees, next step do not give more points for pointless ground control being more valued than damage.
It’s not an unstoppable style of fighting they’ve shown a lot of weaknesses especially Khamzat
Until they get shut down, it’s unstoppable.
Why don’t you go and fight them?
@@poloplayer54 I don’t even know if I should seriously respond to this or just laugh at your weird logic
Their style is effective if they have great cardio for example Khabib, Islam, etc. It will backfire if they have cardio problem
@@ryokimura523 Well we haven’t seen Islam or Khabib move up in weight so once I see Islam fight someone like Colby or Leon then I can be more certain about how good Islam really is
The big problem with giving up the takedown is that they're winning rounds while they're on top, ideally plan a is to fight in a position and range where the shots are too far away and obvious. Punching to the body too, everyone swings wildly at their heads which just opens up the shot.
Feinting, hitting the body and ideally moving forward could work with the right fighter
Leg kicks+straight punches. So basically… Israel Adesanya? Since trying to stop the takedown once they get a hold of you is out of the question, maybe a point fighting style where they use footwork to stay completely out of takedown range while peppering shots is the answer. Since they outclass grapplers so badly, it really might take an elite striker.
Izzy likes to fight off the back foot and isn't really a pressure fighter though. It's only a matter of time before you're taken down if you let them pick the optimum moment.
@@alexp5569 I don’t think a pressure fighter would be right though, since they want to close distance anyways. A sniper with quick feet may have the better chance.
A population of only 1.7M men yet produces so many world combat sport champions, they are build different😭
there was literally just 2 and chechenya 0, what you mean by many
2 champs from that area, 3 from Russia total. Khabib and Islam are great fighters, the others are just like any other
it's the tard strength from the cousins getting married and making babies
@@Suplex479 There has been 20+ 'combat sports' champions (olympic medalists, boxing champ, mma champs, taekwondo champs, world wrestling champs) the takeover has just started in MMA give it time you will see in 2 years time Umar, Usman, Ankalaev and Mokaev as UFC champs
@@rabitof5248 "combat sports champions" 🤦
nah dc was kinda speaking truth with it being harder to shoot on the backfoot. unless you specifically work on loading up on that back step and you can wrestle off both legs then you’re simply not gonna be able to reliably take a good shot moving backwards. almost every takedown has some type of forward momentum. you dont see khamzat backing up to shoot but you do see him rocket himself forward with a huge penetration step from the open with a high level of success in what is essentially a high level blast double or high c. food for thought
I gotta train to stop these guys and save mma
Me too
1 year later still nothing they beat mma. if they lose now doesn’t matter still won and humiliated all the top competition
Sean Strickland enters with a completely different gameplan and stomps them all
😂😂😂 then why he ducking khamzat?
Even Volk was unstoppable and then all your Aryan hopes and dreams got smeshed
@@idontknow00272 he said he will fight khamzat in interview. So he is not ducking
@@kenwood2682racist
He got stomped by usmam who was beaten by khamzat
Cope harder
what i say is if you are ready to sacrifice your wants( party, smoking etc) and train like them, then my friend you are ready to beat them.
When it comes to wrestling, you can shoot while on the backfoot, but you need really good timing like Islam.
I think more guys like Bo Nickal can stop the wrestling. Usually wrestlers of his caliber dont go into MMA.
Craig Jones has the ground secrets. I don't know how anyone can gain the positional perfection and isometric strength they hav without many years of training. These guys start wrestling when they can walk.
Stop letting them in the UFC… simple😂 but seriously they are probably going to ruin the sport and their fanbase is to toxic aswell🤧
Kamaru was fighting on like 11 days of prep for khamzat
Cage work. Plain and simple. Their styles are catered to having the cage to use. People focus on the defense but in order to understand defense you have to have offense and most people don’t necessarily train offensive cage work like dagi’s do.
They used to fight without cage. Combat Sambo doesn’t have the cage. They adapted to the UFC
@@DotK-t9m you are right. But you are thinking sport specific. I’m thinking training specific. They all train cage work. We saw with Volk that being able to have an offensive ground game allowed for him to understand the defensive ground game. He almost Broke Islam in the first fight with it. In my opinion. Offensive ground and pound and Leg Locks are the key to beating Dagi’s.
UFC has some cheat codes;
calf kicks, obleek kicks shoulder strikes, revers elbows, teep kicks, liver kicks, ankle hooks, the Camorra, flattening your opponent out with hooks in
Khamzat isn't even a Sambo guy I think
He is just a wrestler with good BJJ
I mean he literally got his brown belt recently after he beat Usman
100k congrats!
1. Make them fight outside UAE
2. Give them an opponent not from a lower weight class
3. Let the opponent go through full camp.
First fight Volk vs Islam:
1. In Australia
2. Volk walks around like a light heavyweight when he's not fighting + Islam had less time to rehydrate. He was drained during that fight.
3. Volk had a full camp
Conclusion: It doesn't matter what you do, they still win.
Only Kevin Lee knows the holes to their game
I think both forward pressure and leg kicks may be good suggestions, but I doubt neither would work on someone who has worked on his stand up as well as is the case with Islam, Usman and Umar, who also keep on improving.
Charles was moving forward a lot more in the second round and that got him knocked down, Volk missed almost every inside leg kick he threw in the second fight and we saw Islam in many occasions grab a leg kick and use it to initiate a takedown.
but yea I feel like Khamzat who has relatively subpar standup game and relies mostly on his power is susceptible to especially being pressured as we have seen in the Burns and Usman fight.
Made specific Russian class division and the rest is for mortal division.
These guys are another level...
Heres a trick: No Rehydration Clause
Lol that has zero bearing
Keep coping. there is no evidence whatsoever that these guys are abusing weight more than literally any other fighter in the sport. If you compare normal weight of Justin vs Islam Justin is by a large shot is the bigger guy, but nobody ever criticized him for being a weight bully ist
Khamzat no longer looks that good.
And all it took was Gilbert and a Short Notice Usman.
Dude had a full camp, couldn't do a shit.😂
Only mcgregor can stop them
Conor fan boy🤖🤖
Its the stamina of these guys, constant movement and pressuring. Imagine having to try to get someone off your back for 15 mins. Their takedown defense is also elite. It would take someone like a Jon Jones to win.
As a Dagestani, I will explain to you where the style of all these fighters comes from. The first is a street fight: in a street fight in Dagestan nobody will fight with you on his hands like a boxer, one punch in a jump to the head, a pass to the legs and a take-down (you can see in Khabib's early fights). The second is sambo: SAMBO and combat SAMBO at the slightest clashes and shortening the distance opponents grab kimano and all the fight in a stand-up position is over (opponents are looking for rapprochement). The third moment is free wrestling here speed passes, work with the body, throws through the thigh suflexes.
Same day weigh in will
I could be wrong. But I think it might be because of the UFC rules regarding “control time” when a Dagestani is on top of an opponent. They purposely do this to waste as much time as possible.
Obviously UFC prefer signing Dagestan wrestlers instead of strikers like Shara Bullet and Umalatov of PFL
Lol then why they have a high finishing rate
They are like the new Brazilians with there BJJ. Can’t have fight card with them and theyre everywhere in MMA
they dont win as much though
and dont lose as much hahaha@@harrywatson2694
They don’t go to a ground game to be in the bottom and are as tough and and a little more cauculistic. At least Khabib,Islam,and Khamzat matured a lot. Comparing to the Brazilians. But you can count in the fingers the new era and old of Russians. Overall, I think Brazil has more history in mma.
But The Russians are dominating now, hat’s off to them. They brought a new level to the game.
Is'n it very hard thing to do in MMA setting? Not getting hugged while figthing like a pressure boxer. I wish we could see some high level boxers in UFC. Petr Yan and Strickland examples the high level boxing and it is so fun to watch.
make knees to a down opponent legal
That would work against the majority of wrestlers not just the Dagestanis *COUGH* Aljamain Sterling *COUGH*
All the UFC needs to do is paying more, compared to other sports, MMA pays their stars so little. Major athletes in the US are not going to do MMA while they can play basketball, football, baseball, hockey, or even boxing. Imagine some guys in the NBA or NFL do MMA from the early age, it would be a wrap.
true
the rules support these guys so hard
Excuses
The real question is why we sould stop them.
They are all good guys fighting for their family.
Until there is somebody better they can and they WILL dominate a bunch of divisions.
Easy you need two fighters vs 1 of them 😂
Dagis only fight guys 1 or 2 weight divisions below them. They cut more than anyone
🇺🇸 USA Champions in the UFC: 79
🇷🇺 Russian(Including Dagastani's) Champions in the UFC: 3
Great video , but a greater topic would be why taking short notice fights are to put them in a career ending conversation?
Their competitors are busy drinking smoking and partying
It’s easy for these Muslims 😂
Everyone at this level works hard, it's not all their religion (it's a part of it). It's the team they have around them
Saying that guys like Volk or Usman are busy with stuff like that is crazy
And it's also not the religion cuz if we go by that, we should consider that basically 95% of all the current all time greats are non Muslim fighters
The only 2 Muslim all time greats that I can name right now would be Usman and Khabib while I could name like 15 non Muslim ones
They all work hard dude
It's just that these Russian guys have a great time and people around them that basically do all the same which is just train
Jon "I'm in love with the co-co" Jones doesn't seem to have that problem.
On your point of wrestling on the back foot.
Yes it’s very difficult. When your shoot you need to be grounded with your weight under you. So you can generate power and speed. Imagine trying to launch into a full sprint while standing upright.