Donquixote Doflamingo VS. Eustass Kid: DEBATE Gets HEATED! | ONE PIECE
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- Welcome to "That One Piece Talk," the podcast where we discuss, review, and debate the latest One Piece chapters. In episode 141, we debated whether Doflamingo could team up with Trafalgar D. Water Law to take out Big Mom. Sebastian and Preston strongly opposed this idea. You won't want to miss this clip!
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King Kong Gun and Kong Gun are very different punches.
Chapter 871 (Page 8): Luffy uses the "Kong Gun" punch against Big Mom. Luffy doesn't say the name of the punch, but in Chapter 784 (pgs. 10-11), Luffy uses the same attack against Doflamingo.
Chapter 790 (pgs. 16-18): Luffy uses the "King Kong Gun" against Doflamingo. Not only does Luffy break through Doffy's Haki-infused Devil Fruit awakening, but he also breaks the entire city under their clash.
Point being. These are 2 different attacks that greatly differ in power and are not the same attack.
Luffy gum gum pistol from the start of the series and current is vastly different the longer things on on the stronger luffy and the rest of his attacks get
But your comparing a Dressrossa G4 Luffy to a post whole cake Luffy. A Luffy that's dozens of times stronger than what he was before.
@@Rdc_Dom luffy isn’t really that much stronger after whole cake island the only thing improved was his advanced observation haki and making his gas tank? But probably not by much if at all
Luffy had haki bloom vs cracker after destroying doffy in g4 and he still got 1tap by bm blocking his attack with only basic haki leaving him defenseless unable to use haki as Sanji carried him😂
The fact you think King Kong gun pre udon training luffy can do anything to big mom shows how much cope y’all are inhaling
The fact that this discussion lasted 12 minutes is scary
“Take away law what happens” is such a stupid argument. Take Kidd away law is not winning either
THANK YOU
Exactlyyy
The point was that they were complementing each other's strengths and making up for each other's weaknesses 😂
I think they did that just to compare the strength of their individual attacks.
Exactly the point, none of them are that guy
Law lasts longer that's what happens.
Doffy got blitzed by Gear 4 Luffy, Kid ate point blank attacks from Misery
Kid was heavily damaging Big Mom. Whether you wanna argue who broke her arm or who did more in the fight, doesn’t matter.
Making her take you seriously is more impressive than Doffy beating up pre-awakened Law or sub Gear 4 Luffy imho
Misery almost killed him lol I wouldn't call that "ate"
kidd tanked that attack stupi d, he was still standing then right after he used damned punk
kidd >>> doffy
He was also controlling a bird cage surrounding the whole of dressrosa ,technically he was fighting off zoro ,fujitora ,the straw hat grand fleet and all the others at the same time .
@@Yadanisssfuji wasn't trying at all. If he was he would one shot doffy he gave that dub to the strawhats
@@Yadanisssyeah saying doffy was fighting Fuji is just a lie
doflamingo would intimated by big mom and lose instantly imo.
Facts
Nice joke
@ahmedadel-tz2bj you think doffy isn't scared of big mom or that he wouldn't lose to big mom? Either way you're wrong
@@silverrose1933 i am not comparing doffi to big mom here
@@ahmedd_adell I didn't say you were. You said their 2 points were a joke, so I was wondering which part you didn't agree with
Ain't no way we're debating kid vs doffy, doffy is barely commander level, I'm not a kid fan but this is ridiculous.
Not even close to command level
I agree that kid is stronger than doffy, but it’s not wild to bring it up. Doffy has better devil fruit mastery, better haki, combat skill, and experience. Kidd just happens to have the AP to take him down
Here's a thought during dressrosa which is 4 arcs ago Law got washed by Doffy, during Zou Law did not have any battles and during Wano he was hiding out maybe training his DF to unlock awakening cause he did not use it on Doffy. I'm gonna say at this point they could fight Doffy to a draw. But overcoming him I find that hard to believe.
Doffy turns everything to string what kid gonna to do?@@IFoundTheTwoPiece
Doffy was a Warlord and they are relatively comparable to commanders… Plus his Haki, DF are way more versatile than kid’s whole skill set
this was one yalls worst debates, the amount of cope to think doffy can replicate anything Kidd was doing is insane, yall just overlook kidds feats bad, he has a lot going for him, especially in durability, but in terms of helping law beat big mom, its just a joke of an argument
Their is no reality where bm punches doffy and is suprised as he turns while being hit 😭😭😭😭 or is angry enough at doffy to search for him and kill him lol bm washes doffy so hard without taking him slightly serious.
Yep the overhype for doffy is real crazy! They tried to say Big mom would have got up from kidd beam attack but it's the fact that he was even able hold down a yonko and had the strength to tossed Kaido in the first place is underrated
I just wanna know like law couldnt beat doffy right? And he went to zou then wano and boom law could beat doffy now? Because hes definitely a little stronger but doffy took two round with gear 4 luffy while keeping the birdcage up after beating law. I know it wasnt recent but like? I just dont see it bro and kid is bout equal to law so. If anything its extreme diff either way i think great debate
@@BrainDamage4436 There's some missing Training arc/context for law but you gotta assume just how we saw Luffy & strawhats fight and grew stronger, the same happened to law.
G4 Luffy in Dressrosa is not the same lvl as G4 Wano. You saw how Luffy struggled against Cracker in early WCI then was able to match Katakuri who's a 1st commander. Rayleigh mentioned similar specific on Haki blooming and the stronger opponents you fight the better you become. So you can assume if Doffy comes back into the story he'll be a lot stronger too.
Also back to Law, he does fight with Hawkins in the early parts of Wano so you can assume he grew after that fight and after roofpiece against 2 Yonko. So it isn't far fetched to say Doffy is no match for law/kid at this time due to their growth over last few arc....
stop sleeping on kid
It's a simple question can doffy put out the same power as kid did the answer is NO
Why does he need to put out the same power? Kidd is nowhere near as durable as Big Mom
@@solidkwon if there attacks go head on against each other that just prooves kidds attack stronger because big mom is so durable dofy couldn't do as much damage as kidd did to big mom
@@solidkwon now if dofy manages to hit kidd is another story because like you said kidd isn't as durable as big mom
@@chiefmike3176well yeah Kidd isn't as durable as Big Mom BUT Kidd was durable enough to take multiple of Big Moms attacks...
Just going off the head here, Kidd took:
A fulgora lightning attack head on
A Mama raid attack (that lightning sword technique)
A Elbaf Spear attack
And a 3000 leagues of misery attack from Big Mom
I don't think Doffy is taking any of those attacks
Yall let the Kid hate lead to straight up ignorance
wtf is this….. kaido called doffy weak… kid broke big moms arm…. Let that sink in
Didn't Big Mom give more credit to Law for the broken arm.
@@langadube9611 Law broke her ribs with Shock Wille, Kid broke her arm with Punk Corna Dio
@@noname8650Laws's sword phased or cut through Big Mom before Kids Bull hit Big Mom that apparently broke her arm, BIg Mom didn't acknowledge Kids's attack but she did acknowledge Laws.
@@noname8650she credited law for her broken arm and ribs. His shock willie was weakening her from inside
@@kaikage6060 she only credited law for the broken ribs, she tried to use her arm to block/stop kid, same arm got broken
Kid one shots doffys haki is dogshit compared to bm if she couldn’t negate his df awakening neither can doffy he’s getting turned into a magnet and crushed like a ball since his haki is so weak in comparison to bm’s . Kid can tank any attack bro throws tenjin mama raid and ikoku sovereignty all scale light years above anything doffy can muster. One s and n and doffy is legit immobilized getting punched over and over again.
Luffy in WCI gear 4 literally got one shot by big mom at the wedding when she was in hunger mode. Doffy got wiped by a weaker gear 4, he’s a non factor if he fights her
Not to mention that big mom one shot wci luffy by BLOCKING
Now that is disrespectful and shows that doffy would literally be a non issue for big mom.
@@worthyedge9307 😂💀💀💀exactly man. I really like this pod and everyone on it but Larry hates Kidd so much for some reason he’s delusional towards him now.
Like why is this even a debate
In what universe or timeline is Doffy tankng anything from Big Mom, Kidd literally ate 1000 leagues of misery and was still conscious, .1% of that pain will have Doffy looking like Zoro after he took that little bit of Luffys pain
@@nsalieister3334 Exactly Kidd slams without his awakening. As a matter of fact I believe it’s stated that Snack lost his commander rank because Kidd beat him. Kidd pre Wano possibly beats Doffy as well haha, Doffy isn’t weak but top tiers dog walk him.
@nolans1675 yea actually, thats how he got his Poneglyphs copy, they didnt say who it was specifically I think but imo its either smoothie or snack
Kat is a hard no lmao, and cracker said no one has seen his real form on years, and smoothie being the poneglyph guard makes the most sense that he bested her got the Poneglyphs quickly and left before back up comes
If we assume smoothie is on the level of cracker if not likely stronger then Kidd beat an opponent start of WCI Luffy couldnt even beat their underling, hell without nami Luffy wouldve actually lost low diff to cracker
Thats actually really funny to think about that Kidd was actually way stronger than Luffy even after TS, and then u have the statment that Kidd and Killer fought Kaido till they couldnt move implying they werent one shot by kaido like luffy was
Yea Kidds a beast
By some of this guys logic even buggy can beat Kaido 🤦🏾♂️
Kids rail gun has enough destructive power that shanks felt it necessary to use a named attack. It’s 100% stronger than gear 4 King Kong gun. One of y’all mentioned that law isn’t fully utilizing his fruit the same can be said for kid and luffy. Neither of the 3 rookies is in their prime and they all are at the moment stronger than doflamingo who is in his prime.
Because he was concerned for his weak fleet. Shanks himself was not concerned by the attack
At this point they aren’t rookies anymore they literally fighting yonko and winning 😂
Love rewatching these. The pod is a main event of my week. You gotta have the guest back frfrfrfr
One shot by kid the disrespect needs to stop
Saying that Doffy competed with King Kong Gun is irrelevant bc that was a King Kong Gun from Dressrosa. There’s no way you think that Dressrosa Luffy is doing what Kid did to Big Mom.
Fr. Also the "struggle" they had was anime only, in the manga luffy tore through his strings instantly
Exactly.
Big mom embarrassed luffy in whole cake when she one shot him by BLOCKING (now thats a disrespectful feat that people don't talk about enough).
Aint no way people are even discussing this.
That king Kong gun was still strong enough to split a country in half. So I mean it was still impressive. Plus kids recent showing leaves him in the trash.
@@heavenlyking8386 wdym? We know for a fact that pre wano kidd is at LEAST sweet general level, and he got a ponegliff rubbing from tottoland. Big moms territory is one of the hardest places to just get into in the whole series so far.
And his showing against shanks doesn't make him trash. We still have other feats for him that are actually impressive. People just ignore that for the shanks hype and to have a reason to clown on kidd.
We also forget that we don't really have a full scope of where shanks stands compared to a lot of the characters. Kidd was one shot but we don't know how many characters that could've also happened to, especially since something important is that kidd is very durable
Nothing from shanks shows that kidd wouldn't be able to at least beat doffy.
@worthyedge9307 we have feats where he's helping actual fighters, yeah, but other than being Laws best friend, kid didn't really do much of anything at all. I mean, even Franky has his moment against big mom. Kids haki os absolutely garbage. Hos devil fruit is his greatest clutch. He is specifically the thing Kaido was speaking against. Devil fruit users who don't build their haki and rely on devil fruits too much. It's why he's such a bum. USELESS CAPTAIN MID
Kid bodies Doffy stop it. Nothing in Doffys arsenal is holding a candle to Kid.
The only reason people think otherwise is them still having bias about the Big Mom fight and thinking they only pushed her. The fact of the matter is Big Mom took Corna Dio head on, and it broke her arm if shes grounded and took Damned Punk. She's getting blown back and breaking a lot more than that.
Doffy could never.
Doffys bodying kid
@@mrhopoff_797 Doffys weak Ulti victim😂
Thank god a good take
Nah I gotta be honest the kid slander just comes off so disingenuous and just seems like hating on a character you don’t like. Kidd completely switched Shanks’ attitude about him because of one future vision, shanks went from joking with his crew and giving fake threats to getting shook and having to deal with Kidd personally.
Kidd waxes Doffy
kidd would stick doffy to the fridge on his ship 💯
The 🥅 shifts that happen in this convo is wild 😭😭
Might as well change the channels name to "The Two Piece Talk"
Three Piece with a biscuit
Kid fucks up Doffy ngl
Hey guys . Doffy CANNOT generate the amount of power to bring down BIG MOM at all. Yeah Doffy got all 3 types of Haki but he ain’t durable as Kid. In a fact I kind blame ODA for not portraying Kid much more in the story and not showing us his Conqueror Haki or his Advanced form . Doffy even after the timeskip is nowhere Kid’s level imo as good and experienced fighter he is . Kid over Doffy high diff ❤. As for what Seb said I think Kid doesn’t defeat Beckman, King and Katakuri, Zoro but all others commanders he might defeat them
Naw Oda did his thing he’s letting us know kid is trash and will never be king of the pirates on even close. Because he’s trash
@@Smitingfanaticif that was the case, he wouldn't be alongside Law putting down one of the emperors and wouldn't give him 3 bill bounty. There's no other candidates for something of a new gen Shiki.
Kid is luffy if he had no mentor during his pirate career. He has all 3 forms of haki but he barely uses it, let alone trains it. But he still managed to be one of the strongest characters in the verse. Only commanders I see he can't beat is ben beckman, and katakuri.
@@PKJackboi shanks,Kaido,big mom fujitora,kizaru, akainu, luffy, zoro (probably sanji but unsure on this) law Blackbeard,king,the 5 elders,Kuzan,garp,Ben Beckmann,Sabo,sengoku,crocodile,mihawk, we haven’t seen dragon fight but there’s a very good chance he’s stronger than useless mid, katakuri, perospero and definitely some others I’m missing some others but I know bro isn’t even in top 30 in verse and he’s done nothing to prove he should be. He’s done nothing impressive so far especially for someone who’s supposed to be luffys rival in his age group
@@Smitingfanatic if you really think that then you just hate kid for the sake of hating kid. He washes atleast half the people you mentioned.
these man hv finally lost their minds if they saying doffy stronger than kid 💀💀💀
Kid > Smoothie > Cracker = Jack > Doflamingo
Most Glazed one piece characters
1.) Zoro
2.) Doflamingo
3.) Katakuri
4.) Kaido
To be fair the Kaido glaze is somewhat warranted considering how he was damage testing people in Wano, holding up an island while fighting Luffy and ofc failing to delete after jumping from skylands
Ngl when ur one of the very very few confirmed ACOO users in the manga the glaze kinda deserved
Before Luffy, the guy was undefeated, even Kaido ate some loses on.his way to the top, if he wasnt just a YC and was his own captian (is actually now considering every other option is out) he may have been able to unlock acoc as well
5). Enel
I'd argue Kaido earned his glaze
Yea Seb seems to be the only one being correct half the time with all these hot takes like I swear it’s like the others are trolling ong there’s no way they’re fr with some of these takes 😂😂😂😂😂
Mingo could probably just turn the ground to string and pull her down while pushing her. Problem is he’s probably getting folded on rooftop before they even get to that point.
All it takes is kidd to say “Assign” and “repel” and Doffy is In the sea. Because he isnt a stronger haki user than kidd. (If you think he is then its cope because kidd was fighting kaido while Luffy was fighting all these other guys
Seb brought out the amazing points about Kidd's feats compared to Doffy. Doffy has a tactical kind of devil fruit, he wouldn't last a minute against Big Mom or Kaido. Yes he has more Haki feats, but Haki isn't perfect. We've seen that raw power can STILL overpower Haki (Luffy VS Door Door Fruit dude and Big Mom's raw strength against Gear 4). Kidd has that strength and durability, but he does lack in the Haki department, and that will keep him from being top 15 in my book. Giving Kidd props doesn't take away from anyone, people be crazy to keep him down because he was unlucky enough to run into Shanks.
EDIT: It would be crime to forget that WITHOUT HAKI, Kidd was able to physically hurt Big Mom with attacks before using the rail gun. He was about to push out enough physical force, that it hurt BIG MOM, the woman who's durability is more legendary than Kaido's.
I’m sorry but basic power scaling says dressrosa luffy is stronger than doffy. And that luffy doesn’t hold a candle to even post whole cake luffy, much less roof top luffy and kid
Dressrosa luffy is not beating dressrosa doffy, luffy up until wano is beating Doflamingo
@@mrhopoff_797 then how did luffy beat him?
@@ihat0094 it was team job from the entire country everyone had their share of help on luffy instances where luffy wouldve died by running out of g4
@@joaoptlourenco luffy was also tired,he had to fight alot of people before he got to doffy. also he always ran out of gear 4,but he got up both times against cracker and doffy. except cracker was able to hurt luffy while doffy was getting cooked.
Going off feats Kid beats Doffy as easily as he was beaten by Shanks.
Short summary of main argument:
Kid's feats have him relative in speed to amped Big Mum so he easily blitzes Doffy. He also has higher AP on basic attacks than the gear 4 attacks Luffy was overwhelming Doffy with. Finally, Kaido includes Kid among people he views as "monsters in their own right" but sees Doffy as a weakling.
Main argument, with feats to prove:
Doffy got overwhelmed by Dressrosa Gear 4 until his awakening and even after that gear 4 was still stronger.
That sets our base line. If Kid beats Dressrosa Gear 4 - a form that is literally just speed and power, then he beats Doffy.
A stronger gear 4 in whole cake would later use a kong bazooka on Big Mum but would not even budge her and couldn't leave any damage. A stronger gear 4 than that form then gets blitzed by base Kaido.
This establishes 3 things:
1. A stronger Luffy than the one who beat Doffy couldn't do any damage to base Big Mum.
2. A much stronger Luffy than the one who beat Doffy was still a blitz level below base Kaido.
3. A base Kaido has the AP to one shot start of Wano Luffy.
base Big Mum and base Kaido would then fight evenly for 3 days. SO:
1. Base Big Mum has speed to keep up with Kaido. By default this means she could also blitz start of wano Luffy.
2. Base Big Mum has AP capable of matching base Kaido. So she can also one shot start of Wano Luffy. - not inconsistent since she caught Marco easily and he's a character that has hit Kizaru and could hold King and Queen off in a 2v1.
3. All amped forms fo Big Mum scale above her base so anyone who can keep up with her amped forms in speed and doesn't get one shot also has higher endurance than start of Wano Luffy as well as blitz level speed above him.
Now moving to Kid's feats, he tanked the majority of Big Mum's attacks which puts his endurance at a level far higher than start of Wano Luffy and by default Doffy. He also hurt amped Big Mum on multiple occasions - even with basic strikes. So his AP on basic strikes is higher whole Cake Luffy's gear 4 attack he did against Big Mum. Even if you try to say Law broke Big Mum's bones and not Kid, Big Mum actively dodges Kid's attack the next time he uses the same move - she is so afraid of the attack that she screams and lifts a building to dodge it.
Best comment on the video. Also need to highlight that damned punk is no joke, it's an absurd attack power that sinked big mom. Maybe after the anime we'll see clearer what shanks saw and understand the level of destruction it can do
Craziness, Doffy would get strung up.
Ill never understand the amount of glazing the fandom gives doflamingo
Facts it’s silly
These people are actually saying luffy from dressrosa has more attack power than Kidds strongest attack against big mom. They are just Mc biased at this point. Larry you got no defense AT ALL
Ngl I don’t really like this podcast so I just stopped watching them but then I came back for one sec just to see what the type of nonsense I left in the first place. You have 5 people who are Zoro fans and just talk about the worst takes, first it was Sanji vs Jimbe, then it was Zoro vs big mom, then now is doffy vs Kidd?! But hey if it’s going to bring the views do it 🤷🏾♂️ because these worst takes especially from Larry is going bring arguments from the fanbase for no reason but hey what can I say 🤷🏾♂️ . Now here’s comes the die hard Zoro fans or Larry Stan’s probably coming to defend these trash takes by replying 😂
Kid is probably one of my least favorite characters in OP but even I instantly say that he cooks Doffy with almost zero diff..
These guys are so dumb. They don’t realize luffy got one shot by Kaido in base. Kidd took down a yonko and in terms of portrayal, he is equal to law. Law’s ability is just cooler.
This is a well made vid yall I love it
Nah at this point you could bring a flatearther to the podcast and he‘d still be more reasonable than the doffy glazers
It does not matter Kidd can use Haki or not. KIdd can defeat Doflamingo. Haki is not a sign of strength.
Y’all must’ve need sum content cuz wth even is this debate
Kidd beats every first commander and Doflamingo would get dogwalked, they just don’t like Kidd lol
Including Ben Beckmann?
@@bankin3119 Benn could be admiral level so nah he’d slap kid
On Paper Doffy is a better, more skilled and versatile fighter than kid… But kid only wins cause he got stronger while Doffy is locked up and chained down in impel down
What paper you reading? LoL. Doffy aint even yonko commander level, he hasnt even taken his first steps into a conversation about Kid.
@@shihobladeDoffy beats Jack.
@@Eden0211🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Eden0211 Kaido disagrees with you
@@shihobladecap
We gotta stop the Doffy bias wank. Beginning of Wano Luffy hit Base Kaido in the chest with King Kong Gun and he didn’t move. That’s 2 island amps after Dressrosa and Kaido and Big Mom are comparable in dura base to base. This is an AMPED Big Mom fighting Law and Kid and he could push her back with his awakening. If Base Kaido didn’t budge from a stronger King Kong Gun than the one Doffy lost to, she’s not even gonna feel the force of Doffy’s Heavenly Strings
Its literally that simple.
Crazy 5v1 and the 1 is correct. Big mom couldn’t counter because of laws silence, she needs to speak to use it effectively, plus she was still internally damaged from law. And before that she just thought she could power through it, not realizing their plan. Take away laws help kid is not doing anything. Frfr soul pocus would probably end him if she did it at after Hera.
Kidd stopped Hera from helping Big Mom, I'm pretty sure he trapped her in that metal box didn't he? I really don't think Law and Doffy could have beat Big Mom, there's a good chance Hera would have flew down and saved her because she wouldn't have been trapped by Kidd if they did knock her off anyways
Kidd beats zoro high diff, bringing sanji jinbe and doffy into this is actually ridiculous
What GRWON MAN can't push lebron out the air? That's comparable strength, now ask if a 4 year old child could, which is how weak Larry and company believe Kidd is in this situation.
I LIVE for these kinda debates!!!
Yo the tension between larry and seb is CRAZY...fire edits once again tho
This can’t be an argument Kidd Neg diffs Doffy
Bro. Kidd is negging doffy. Kidd has too much ap and dc for doffy. And he has no way to defend against his railgun
This shouldn’t really be a debate
The kid hate is getting hilarious. Thinking this is a debate is as bad a take as the first takes of the zoro fandom
I love these videos lmao. Its almost always heated when Kidd is involved its hilarious
The editing in these clips are too funny
Yeah none of y’all should debate one piece if you legit think Doffy is stronger than kid at this point in the story
Please give the editor a raise
Kidd is YC+ story wise. So i dont know what is this convo about?
Nah Kidd and Law are both admiral level hence why they have the same bounties as the admirals.
@@AnimeALX i agree. But comparing someone like Kidd who is AT LEAST YC+ to doflamingo who is maybe YC2 Or 3. Is dumbassery ngl.
This is a waste of time of debate kidd would whoop doffy at least mid different
Kidd is two tiers of power above Doffy
Doffy was Scared of Jack… Cmon yall stop the Brain-Rot
Kid may be trash compared to the top players but that don't mean y'all can praise Doffy when he's gonna perform worse💀💀
Depends if kiddo can destroy bird cage, there was a ton of characters there just to stop it for a sec, and that’s just the default not consciously controlled by doffy (since he was fighting luffy). Doffy could probably control it to be faster
I mean, do any of yall see Kidd taking a gamma knife and putting his body back together?
Kidd was able to take attacks from yonko that could one shot doffy and the Luffy he fought, a stronger luffy got one shot by big mom and lufffy did nothing to big mon, while kidd broke her arm, doffy getting low diffed.
Kid has enough attack power to worry shanks. Now he has to charge his laser, its a very straight forward attack with a lot of downsides, but shanks looked into the future and was like "Welp gotta end this before i let him fire that" Doffy can't hit that hard. Very few people can hit that hard. There is a lot of stuff about Kidd that stop him from hanging with the really, really tough people. But the thing that gets him into the conversation is raw damage when he hits.
what would it take to be on the channel and debate op stuff
There is something wrong with this community if we are truly debating who is stronger between Doflamingo and Kidd.
Kidd is stronger than Doflamingo, I thought it was common sense.
Sebastian be wildin fr 🤦🏿♂️
People have to stop wanking Doffy, Jack says doffy is weaker than him. Kaido calls Jack strong but Doffy weak, and when Luffy fought Cracker, Cracker stated that he was sent because the Big Mom pirates know Luffy beat Doffy.
He wouldn’t need to replicate kidds attack power he’d just turn the floor to string and she’d fall through
if Doffy had an attack as strong as Kids he wouldn’t have lost to Luffy at that point & would be considered on the same level as Kidd,Law, etc
Doffy got jumped so it’s not the same. Plus he was cocky
@@mrhopoff_797 Kidd one shots him at this point
8:18 bro's take is she gets pushed by kid strongest attack law pushed her with a rock😂😂
I have a feeling this section turns a whole lot different if or when doflamingo gets out.
Rooftop Characters>>>>WCI Luffy>>Dressrosa Luffy>Doflamingo, I extremely dislike Kidd but being able to keep up with and hurt Big Mom puts him multiple tiers of power over Doffy
Kid High Diff Outta Respect For Doffy😬
I absolutely hate captain useless kid but he outclasses and over powers doffy
Kidd has a 3 billion bounty and defeated a yonko. Even his first commander was able to cut kaido. And you mfs debatting doflamingo vs kidd.
Okay i got two questions who'd win between law vs kidd and who did law have a tough time against?
Current Law beats doffy
Same with kidd
Kid beats Doffy… most people in the one piece verse not getting up from that assign attack.
It would be a total different fight it would’ve been a well thought out and 1000% easier bro was trying to phrase the question in a way to get that W
If there is no metal for kidd to use how would be make his rail gun and will any one will give him enough time to build his rail gun in 1 on1?
This was such a goated ep
I’m still trying to figure out how Kid’s devil fruit became like Douglas Bullet’s devil fruit.
The kidd disrespect is so insane 🤦🏾♂️ Doffy was AFRAID of Jack, and Kidd was boxing with Kaido and BM regardless of is he could take them 1v1 wtf is this
They're thinking about that one situation with the hole. That situation would never happen with Flamingo and Law. His strings would never hold down Big Mom. His Awakening would not work against her. Although it will be interesting to see if Big Mom put souls in the strings. Which one of them would have control of it.
Why wouldn't his awakening work? People are saying this like she's magically immune to df awakening.
@@jaycjas3143 Flamingos devil fruit Awakening what not work because all he can do is make the area string. If he does that Big Mom can counter by taking souls and putting them in the string. There's no way it will pierce her body and the level of haki she has, even his parasite strings would not work on her.
@@redmaxxs that's misleading. She can't make all the strings homies some will still get thru. And if doffy applies his haki she couldn't make them homies in the first place.
@@jaycjas3143 You think his haki is stronger than hers? Also she can do a fair amount of taking over stuff remember when she fell in the ocean and she made a wave homie.
@@redmaxxs the ocean wasn't using haki. And I never said his haki is stronger just that she wouldn't be able to make his strings homies if he uses haki. Of course she COULD use her haki to cancel his out but the sheer amount of strings is the issue combined with haki. She was sent flying by a rock. Doffy could throw that same rock with his strings. It's a df matchup that gives him the advantage. And don't forget this is if doffy was fighting her WITH law.
Lots of insane takes made this discussion, Shanks really destroyed Kidd's reputation lmao
This gotta be troll piece talk. We fantasizing about Doffy Buffs? 😂 Kidds weak? Sure made Shanks serious 🤷♂️
I think the fight can go either way but the argument that doffy can’t replicate an attack to pin down big moments is kinda dumb. Doffy doesn’t need to replicate that attack power to hurt kidd. Whether he can or can’t doesn’t really matter.
Doffy doesn't even have to replicate that amount of power, He only needs to affect the surrounding (the ground) with his strings for Big Mom to fall on the hole, that's all
Shanks said if kids shot that same attack it would have destroyed his whole fleet and Elbaf
I get Kid's hate from being one-shot by Shanks himself but I love seeing so many people spitting facts in this comment section. Rare Kid's W he deserves. Doffy is not that guy.
All I’m getting from this debate is that doffy can beat Kidd due environmental factors such as turning everything into string but replicating the same feat against Big Mom as Kidd would be impossible.
outro song?
Which episode is this
Kidd is folding Sanji, katakuri, Marco, doflamingo, and king.
None of theme are producing enough Ap to break an Amped Big Mom… even with law helping.
None of these would be able to eat an ikkoku sovereignty or Misery like kidd(except flame on king)
Isnt sanji literally part machine?
Awakened Doffy got beat by early G4 Luffy. Comparing Dressrosa Doffy to Wano Kidd is crazy talk.