We Finally Disagree on a TNG Episode
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You know what tends to get lost in the spectacle of Lwaxana's "Auntie Mame in Space" schtick? She's actually a rather impressive person underneath the sometimes annoying comedic bluster and seeming self-involved obliviousness.
In "Haven," she saw the deeper layers of Wyatt and understood his underlying mission to aid the plague ship. She and Wyatt also shared an understanding of the connectivity of all living things.
In "Manhunt," she foils a plot to bomb a conference. (OK, very casually and very late, but still, she does it).
And in "Menage," she was willing to remain a captive of her kidnappers and a sexual predator to secure the freedom of her daughter and a Starfleet officer.
You could do worse. She certainly contributes more to the universe than Vash!
Great points.
Josh: "There's not great shots from the director."
The meme: "Do I mean nothing to you???"
We know that Picard likes Shakespeare, but that doesn’t mean he’s a Shakespearean actor. That is why Stewart did a terrible acting job in quoting Shakespeare. Great acting.
Like Kirk screaming "Khaan!" In Star Trek II, with most people not realizing that Kirk is overreacting for Khan's benefit, rather than Shatner merely being hammy.
In 1966 Sir Patrick Stewart became a member of theRoyal Shakespeare Company. He made his broadway theater debut in 1971 in a production of a Midsummers Night’s Dream. Since then he as been in several other Shakespeare plays, including the title role of Macbeth.
@@MrTbk1701 Shhh! Don't say the "M" word... you'll curse it. It's the Scottish play... 😄
@@urbangrouse well Shakespeare wrote it and it is my favorite play so shush back 😊🖖
That closing credits song is a real delight. I always find myself singing along happily. You guys rock!
Me too! I just wish that I could understand all of the lyrics. You wouldn't happen to know the lyrics, would you?
It's an awesome song! Now that we're coming to the end of season three, I wonder if they'll use the same song in season 4 and just change the lyrics, or if we'll get something new.
10:30 I don't think there is an issue with the joke about Luxwanna and Deanna being transported out of their clothes. Here's why: They're Betazeds. They have telepathy. As a consequence, they have a _very_ different relationship with sex, sexuality, intimacy, etc. Every Betazed we see on the show, with the exception of the guy from Tin Man (whose powers developed too soon), is very open and casual about sex. Imagine what its like to go through puberty while ALSO developing telepathic powers? You know Betazeds all go through an awkward phase of being hormonal, horny, and accidentally reading/projecting thoughts. How embarrassed are you really going to be by mere nudity when your innermost sexual thoughts are something you telepathically blurt out?
Luxwanna has probably read the minds of thousands of men who were picturing her naked. She has absolutely no illusions about any of that. That's why her reaction is so blasé. And that's why the joke is funny. Because Luxwanna isn't afraid at all, she's just exasperated by the predictability of it all. And then Deanna, who is half-human and has spent the last decade with humans, is more scandalized, which just makes Luxwanna _more_ exasperated, which is funny because it's such an obvious reverse of what we expect.
Indeed. As a species, they get married naked in front of everyone as part of their tradition and fans know that is explored again later on.
So it wouldn’t phase them in quite the same way.
Exactly! I often wondered what it would be like to live on Betazed with everyone knowing what everyone thinks all the time around them: Having a secret crush would be impossible! As soon as you'd get those feelings towards anyone in your entourage or that you meet for the first time, they would know immediately! Wanting someone dead or hurt would be equally revealed on the spot; can't lie as a politician, everyone knows if you are not sincere; cannot have surprise birthday parties either or secret Santa's (Or the Betazoid equivalent of); etc.
Now for us, that would be a nightmare because we are not use to being so upfront and dealing with people's true thoughts, emotions and desires (And that is in part why Tam, from Tin Man episode, was a very good interpretation of how it would be to deal with such things from a young and unsuspecting age and why humans and others alien species interacting with Luxwanna Troi is also very accurate and difficult). But in a society where everyone has no choice but to be full open and honest with everyone else, it would facilitate so many things and I always thought that showing true Betazoids that grew up on Betazed as rather very well balanced and peace loving people was a very accurate portrayal of what a world society of telepaths would be!
Plus no-one really takes the Ferengi seriously as a threat, if the same things had happened with Klingons, I think it would have been a whole different situation and feeling.
tbh due to the whole naked wedding thing, ferengi could probably only date betazoids interspecies wise. we havent met anyone else that comfortable with nudity
@@daniellanctot6548 "Wanting someone dead or hurt would be equally revealed on the spot"
Not only that, but if you casually insult and belittle someone, you know instantly just how badly you hurt their feelings. Much harder to depersonalize people and treat them like crap when you can actually feel their pain.
This is interesting from the "reception" chapter of the episode's Wikipedia page:
>> Writing for Tor Books in 2013, Keith DeCandido noted the distraction of casting Majel Barrett in a Susan Sackett script with the title it had:
>> In the “too much information” category, the title is a play on a French term generally used to indicate sex among three people. The episode was co-written by Susan Sackett-who was Trek creator Gene Roddenberry’s personal assistant, and with whom he had a long-term affair-and guest starred Roddenberry’s wife. That isn’t at all weird.
Rodenberry was a kinky mfer
Amazing.
hollywood......resonates into the 24th century evidently
Hollywood is a very weird plac3.
Understandably divisive, this one. I like it. DeForest Kelley once said that Star Trek was built on moments. Picard's poetry and Wesley's promotion...those are special moments that make this episode un-skippable when I rewatch (granted, I already enjoy the episode, though).
If you expect Star Trek to not be cringe sometimes...
You're gonna have a bad time.
The episode is a bit worse though… it flirts dangerously close to making r4pe “funny”. And Lwaxana is literally tortured.
I thought Barrett’s performance was particularly good here which made it worse. The bed slides out and the look on her face… sheesh, and the ep is still playing mostly for laughs.
It’s true it’s a subject Trek tends to do poorly. Remember in “the Enemy Within”, at the end where Spock makes a crack to Rand that makes it sound like he was titillated by what the evil Kirk did? And Rand most certainly was assaulted.
The ‘no long goodbyes’ was really just to save the writers having to bother
There is a Troi’s mom episode at some point that does get more serious and emotional. Forgot what season and I won’t say the plot. But I remember some great acting there.
There are 2 of such episodes actually.
"Even Patrick Stewart can't carry an Episode by himself" .... Boy are you gonna be kickin' your own Ass!
omg we are almost there
@@charlottehammond8975 they are going to do E25 then ST VI, before they get to "there" I'd say
when the credits rolled
@@valcoren ST VI isn't till season 5, it premiered after "Unification", and they do things in strictly release order, so won't cover it for at earliest probably 6 months I would imagine.
@valcoren not sure why you think they're doing STVI that soon. They're doing everything in release order. They won't be doing STVI until mid season 5
This honestly, might be my favorite Lwaxana Troi episode in TNG. It's not a "good" episode, but it is in my opinion a "fun" episode. And the camp feels intentional and I can enjoy it for that.
There is a Lawana Troi episode that gets to the level of Sarek.... it just does not happen in TNG
I know of what you speak, it is a superb bit of character development....but no spoilers!!!
I liked the one where she’s involved with the character played by David Allen Ogden Stiers. That has an interesting topic.
I hated Lwaxana until that episode. TA should revisit this one after THAT one
Shhhhh@@makasete30
Completely disagree. The best Lwaxana episode is in TNG.
When it aired it was only view by 9.1 Million which was the lowest of the season. The Next lowest was 9.6 by both The Survivors and WWTW and the average viewership was ~10.5 million for the season. So people saw Luxana and turned it out (though it did air on Memorial day 1990).
"Iron Jaw" Daimon Tog versus William "The Maneuver" Riker - presented by the Ferengi Boxing Association
Pay-per-view is three strips of gold -pressed latinum.
It's fun to watch when you guys see the source of so many memes in these episodes
The show gets better when Riker gets his beard, and the crew get their upgrade uniforms. But the show really gets good when Wesley gets his new uniform… 😀
About a future episode that I won't spoil for you, Patrick Stewart said that Picard isn't as good an actor as he is. So when he plays Picard acting, he doesn't do the performance the same way that Patrick Stewart would do it.
The only possible defense I could give for the episodes 'spelling it out' is that they were not writing for people who had watched every episode of Star Trek. They were writing so that even if you were just tuning in to that episode it would help put together the pieces for you so you wouldn't be lost. I can understand that being annoying for viewers who already know how the show works and want them to just get on with it, but that's my best guess as to why.
Every episode is someone's first.
Also, a large part of the audience is under the age of 15 and may need things spelled out for them. This is a family show afterall.
It's fun watching Picard squirm. He's normally so in control.
Wil Wheaton refers to the grey uniform as the “ Iron Maiden”.
In Ferengi culture, females actually WEARING clothing is pretty cringe and uncomfortable.
I would watch Captains Holiday over this one 10 out of 10 times.
I always quite liked Captain's Holiday. The time travel stuff is thrown in and makes no sense, though.
I would watch it 2 times a day than this one once :)
Can y'all haters explain whats wrong with this episode? Like all Lwaxana episodes its just sposed to be fun and humorous. Do you not like to laugh? 🤔
@@hrs2044 I don't hate this episode at all. It is funny. I just wouldn't choose to watch it over most other episodes.
The only ones I can think of right now that I hate are Code of Honor and Skin of Evil. Terrible decisions to make them at all and they were poorly done. Data did get character growth stemming from Tasha's death but I felt that whole episode was just bad and would never choose to watch it again.
Jennifer Hendricks
Who would change the channel on an episode of a show they're watching on TV if it didn't hook them in the first five minutes? Like, I get that if you stumble on an episode of a show you don't watch. But a Star Trek fan changing the channel five minutes into a Star Trek episode on TV? Yeah, I can't relate to that at all. Every episode, even lamer ones have something in them. If you skipped this the next time you tune in Wesley is is an ensign. That's just a pretty dumb way to watch a show to me. If you're reading a book do you skip the more boring chapters?
Did you know that Majel Barrett also played the character Pavel Chekov on the original series?
"Tonight on "TNG Crew Matters" - Wesley gets caught snorting coke. Worf is arrested for beating up a cop while protecting Troi's honor. Riker takes a Risa chick to prom. Picard makes it so and Data utters his catch phrase. Check your local listings for time and channel."
Broadcast Television ‘required’ a different style of writing because of executive meddling and perception of audience attention span/intelligence. And remember, TNG was a nerd show aimed at an audience perceived as more intelligent than average. There’s a reason why TV was called the boob tube and the audience called out as couch potatoes.
Laxwanna Troi + Ferengi = comedy
It predictably splits the audience; some people will like it as a break from the usual tension, while others will automatically dislike it
I don't see an issue with Deanna's line about her family here on the Enterprise. I can understand that it might not be necessary, but it's not something that stands out as a problem.
I think we will have many more discussions like this with Star Trek in the coming years.
The weird thing about the Wesley thing is that anybody who has gone to Annapolis or is going to Westpoint would point out to you guys once Picard gives him a field promotion to fall Enson with all the responsibilities and obligations of that rank. He technically wouldn’t have to go to the Academy because he’s already a full Anson. He’s not an acting and learning he is now a full Anson and that’s what he’d be if he graduated from the Academy in the first place.
sometimes with Star Trek, it’s OK to just have an episode that’s fun and you don’t have to overthink it.
One of the Ferengi ('ol Iron Jaw I'm pretty sure) is played by Ethan Phillips, who became a regular cast member in a later Trek series. I'll be interested to see how you compare the roles when you get there
I could be remembering incorrectly, but I thought the episode left it ambiguous whether she actually slept with him or not. Regardless, something that may not be as obvious until more Star Trek has been seen is that the ear thing she did is basically masturbation, so she did go very far sexually speaking.
Thanks for this. It's sometimes frustrating and disappointing when you don't like an episode (almost) universally rated highly, but it's still an interesting experiment to examine how TV shows hold up as they are scrutinized in later (next?) generations of fans. And this particular episode has enough to test a lot of generational tastes and sensibilities (e.g. the sexism, the comedic elements, etc.).
I love these inactual genuine and original opinions about these shows. TNG is my childhood and I love the honest take and it's always nice to get a slightly opposing viewpoint. Helps to challenge my confirmation bias about this show.
Something I've been wondering: there was a brief period of time in which TNG and DS9 ran concurrently. Are you going to start watching DS9 while you're still watching TNG, or are you going to wait until you finish TNG to start DS9?
Strict release order
Cool. I was just trying to predict when you'll finish TNG. I originally estimated 1 year from now, but if you watch DS9 simultaneously, it'll probably take 2 years. That's OK though; I'm not in a hurry for you to finish TNG. In my opinion, it's the best Star Trek series. It deserves to be lingered over.
You know how people were telling you that the first 2 seasons of TNG weren't very good? Unfortunately, the same is true of DS9 and Voyager. For some reason, it seems to take each new series a couple seasons to find its footing.
This was one of the worst of tng
I like Majel Barret in a lot of episodes.
I did like the captain doing shakespeare.
Picard’s Shakespeare is the saving grace of the episode.
I think the issue isn't that this episode is bad. It's more a question of whether this episode will define the standard moving forward. This episode is fun as an occasional break from the norm, but if all or most of the episodes beyond this were of a similar quality I would've eventually stopped watching.
Why does there have to be growth in that one aspect? Why can't it just be that Lwaxana is a cheeky character that continues to call her daughter "Little One", despite knowing that she doesn't like it? It's like she's trying to be playful, as people do in real life?
or just habit as parents often call their children by pet names even into adulthood
I can't wait to see what you think of the NEXT Lwaxana episode!
I didn't even remember this episode.
TNG did pretty well for about 25 episodes a season for 7 years. The first 2 and last seasons weren’t great but it’s about the best show ever!
This season and the next few will be very difficult for them to choose a top 10, much less top 5.
Any show with Lwaxana and or Ferengi is going to be a low budget, comic relief episode. You just gotta except it.
his hammy doppelganger stuart patrick
I've ALWAYS liked this episode. Great lighthearted humor and comedy and no IT IS NOT Top Tier Trek but so what? It's still enjoyable harmless fun and The Picard Shakespeare speech at the end of course was EPIC! 😂🤣
It’s called “a guilty pleasure”. Captains holiday is another one
Captains holiday is no pleasure.
Give Star Trek as a whole some time, you might be pleasantly surprised by Lwaxana Troi
Where do lost socks go in the future?
And yet you guys are not ready for Pogo's Meam song yet, you would not understand a part of it until after S4 E3.
Haha I was thinking to myself, another step closer XD.
I think they really lost oportunity to show the superior sexual mentality of betazoids when they were teleported without clothes. The reaction should not be in the line of being ashamed by the Ferengi. I don't think it is a bad idea to make the ferengi the way they are, in fact there are a lot of men that act as the Ferengi do, and they are usually rich and powerful. This shows a lot about us. Our time is all about not talking about the problems, pretending everything is ok.
Nine. Eight. TIS BETTER TO HAVE LOVED AND LOST...THAN TO NEVER HAVE LOVED...AT ALLseven.
The funny thing is that, close to that time, IIRC, they wanted to do a spin-off sitcom about Troi's mom. Thankfully, the project never got beyond the concept stage...
They’d _have_ to call it “Homm Is Where the Heart Is”
I really love watching the old tv spots for the show. Brings me back to my childhood!
20:15 - *_I got one word for y'all: HOLODECK! If you do it at a distance: How can the people evaluating know that they are talking to the real person and not a Hologram projected on the screen from a Holodeck? 🤷♂ Hence why it must be done in peson. (... Ok, I'll admit: Never even thought of it until you two asked why they couldn't "Face-Time" it... But it DOES make sense! 😅)_*
Josh vs Alex. Very entertaining.😊😊
A couple people said that the "telling too much" dialogue that you mentioned is because of when the show was made and the type of viewers for whom it was made, but I think I'm with you: stuff like "My family is here... my friends on the Enterprise" and Picard "thinking aloud" about a solution we don't need to be told is just OVERWRITING.
It sounds like Josh treats Star Trek's attempts at comedy in the same way I treat Star Trek's attempts at horror. I enjoy a good creature feature, and I can just turn off my brain and enjoy something that's not necessarily good Trek, but G.I. Janeway hunting down a macroscopic virus was definitely entertaining.
Susan Sackett replaced DC Fontana asGene’s personal assistant.
There is gossip about the two of them that would have made the situation awkward after the fact, but I don’t know anything for sure so file this under rumor.
The way you phrased that in am not sure which two of the three are the “two” you speak of….
@@MrSheckstrIt’s gossip so I won’t clarify, but just think which two names would make Barrett annoyed after the fact she was part of this episode.
And yes I DO ADMIT the Lwaxana character does get a bit annoying at times as a recurring character but she never actually becomes completely unlikeable. Episodes featuring her are not necessarily automatically skippable Episodes.
Enterprise is supposed to be out exploring the galaxy- every time she shows up that means the enterprise is back in earth's backyard.
@MichaelJohnson-vi6eh Not sure about location or proximity so I can't confirm or deny your statement or question it's relevance.
This episode was actually supposed to be the Finale... jk so many shows do that though, they used to mix up the episodes cause they thought people wouldn't like it in the correct order.
When this aired Monday 5/28/1990 it was Memorial Day, which being a holiday it is not a big tv day, so they probably figured they might as well schedule one of the bad episodes this day and save the better episodes for days when more people would be watching..
I didn't like this episode, and I always skip it on a re-watch... I gave it a 3/10 on my rating sheet. Lwaxana has some good episodes. This is not one of them.
I get that "Lwaxana" is hard to say, but I sort of internally chuckle every time I hear you say, "Lox wanna". 😏🖖 Now I "wanna" have some brined salmon. 😉
Outside of Picard's Shakespeare performance, I've always thought this was kinda a forgettable episode. Not great... not bad.
I agree with Alex on the episode quality and I agree with Josh on the merits.
guys this episode was Filler it doesn’t need a discussion lol easy 😊
I love that they're making multiple content videos out of such a mediocre episode. Here in just a couple of episodes they won't even remember this one.
Lol, nah, didn't need to see Riker punch a Ferengi. Just go back to your unfavorite TNG episode, Captain's Holiday and see the Picard punch.
Def with Alex on this one
...oh, Siskel and Ebert strike again 🧐
Yeah, this felt to me like an off-balance first season episode. Lwaxana episodes are generally enjoyable, but this one was cringe IMO. Not my favorite, but not awful.
Just one more before THE FINALE. And reading about the next episode I just don’t remember it all. I’m sure it’s an ok episode but THE FINALE probably erased the memory of the previous episode.
The next episode is the worst of the season and feels like a bad season 1 episode.
As I'm sure you have figured out by now, like Q, Lwaxana is one of those guest characters who gets a new episode every season. I won't get into details, but rest assured, Lwaxana Troi has several 'Sarek' quality episodes in the coming seasons! I look forward to seeing your reactions to those episodes when they come.
I love this episode, guilty pleasure for me anytime luaxana shows up. i like power stripping plots in general, the episode is hilarious, and a ferengi episode to boot. it isnt deep, but it is a lot of fun.
what i dony get is why a betazoid diplomat doesnt have like some secret service or a transporter block or whatever. you cant br allowed to just beam politicians off of planets
And the Sexual or suggestive innuendo stuff didn't bother me then and doesn't now. It was a personal choice of hers and she has that right. Same thing yall did with Geordi and Reginald Barclay and the holodeck romantic episodes. It's real and it happens and once again So What? Just because folks are squeamish about a subject doesn't mean it doesn't happen or is somehow taboo.
There's an enormous difference between somebody doing something that someone might be squeamish about and someone being *kidnapped* and doing sexual things with their *captor* because you think if you don't he is going to harm your child - and on top of that the episode even makes it clear (through Troi reading her thoughts) that she *didn't want* to do it.
@theverysinfulcaterpillar5788 As a captive hostage she sacrificed herself for her child and agreed to her captors demands. I'm not approving or disapproving simply stating her choices and options even under duress. Obviously this wasn't just some random consensual date. But she chose her actions given the options she was given in this forced criminal predicament.
Edit: And by squeamish I was referring to the subject matter not the fact that the situation was Sexual in nature.
Remember, in Betazoid weddings everyone is naked. They don't have the same shame about bodies as modern day culture. The Ferengi are creeps, but the one Ferengi beamed them in without clothes because "females do not deserve the honour of clothing." It wasn't an objectifying move. It was more out of disgust than taking advantage of them. He probably thought he was doing them a favour. Most Ferengi don't really care or consider that another species has a totally different way of thinking because they're played off as being so backward because of their life philosophy surrounding profit. I'm pretty sure this is always intentional to show that greed and selfishness is actually pathetic and worthy of ridicule. As for Betazoids, they aren't ashamed of nakedness anyway on top of that. The optics do catch you off guard because the visual language it shows is the same as what other shows/movies show that WOULD have presented it as objectifying.
As for the bed thing, well, Ferengi ARE creeps lol. But instead of it being something where they always force themselves on unwilling participants in their selfish fantasies, with the Ferengi I believe they just assume any woman they fancy would be down for a "good time" with them if they present themselves as cunning and wise in the way of making profits. Ferengi are all about profits. At any cost. Nothing else. That's all they care and all that they value and they can't conceive of any species not doing what they do. Which is why they were originally intended as the main antagonist to the Federation because it's exactly the opposite ideals of Roddenberry's vision of an evolved matured social future. But it's much better to play them off as incompetent cowards most of the time because everyone else is just more cultured and therefore so far ahead of the Ferengi enough so that they usually just consider them a nuisance most of the time. The one benefit that gives the Ferengi is that since they're not really considered a big threat sometimes they can take advantage of that and take you by surprise. But they're no Romulans, Klingons, or Borg for sure.
Always enjoy hearing your takes though!
It's LWAXANA, not Lackswana
Well I'm sure next time she appears (if ever) it'll be a happy funny light-hearted episode !
I just deleted my comment because I realized that the only things I remember that I liked were Picard's scenes and am drawing a blank on everything else. Yeah... get me outta here with warp 9.
I generally disliked Lwaxana Troi in TNG.
Ahhh oomox 😂
The cringe parts were not as caring in the era it aired. People today are less accepting nonconceptual nudity. And sexist culture. Back then audience were more in to it. Just a change in culture maybe. And "Sex sells" carry on threw Voyager and Enterprise too.
I cringe at the virtue signaling that goes on today.
I'm glad you guys mentioned "sitcom" because that's what I've always thought about Lwaxana. She's a perfectly written, perfectly acted, sitcom character. And thusly, how much you like her is going to depend almost entirely on how much you tolerate sitcom characters in your Star Trek. You guys differ on that, and that's fine. I personally tolerate it more today than I did when I was young when it first aired, and so I've grown to appreciate Lwaxana a lot more than I did then
Wait... Was that teaser/trailer real?
Jesus H Christ, American TV channels are the worst.
Yea that teaser was real. They super played up the characters being gawked at by the ferengi while naked. I remember how cheesy and awkward it all was. This kind of thing was not out of the ordinary on US tv back then.
This is another episode that aged like milk.
I think this episode has some excellent moments (eg Picard's professing his love, Wesley's commission, maybe a few others) the general idea is fine, and the general plot is fine. I think it's significantly, significantly hurt by the lewd assault type stuff, by Lwaxana giving in to offering sexual favors (the extent of which the episode leaves unclear, but we know it happens to at least some level), etc. to the point that I think it's overall unwatchable. This isn't 2024 sensibilities talking, either: I'd have said the same thing 20 years ago. It's not that you can't have a story where this sort of dark stuff happens, but in this episode it's all handled poorly AND it's all played for laughs, giving us some of the most cringeworthy moments the franchise has to offer.
I think this would be fine as a second season episode but suffers from being nestled in such a strong string of episodes. But its placement here relegates it to mediocre at best.
@@pigs18 I actually think that leaving aside the questionable stuff it's actually far stronger than most second season episodes and so it would feel out of place there for that reason.
The Ferengi don’t get proper treatment until Deep Space Nine, a FAR superior show to Next Generation
Wow. The preview makes it look even worse than it actually is.
Gene Roddenberry was a horndog you can see it in TOS and TNG season 1 of course.
Yes,he was,had a well deserved reputation for it also.
I hate this episode. I hate it so much. It's the same tier as code of honor to me.
The shakespeare scene is good though.
There are changes coming to certain characters both comedic and serious. There's Robin....never mind or when another character will find out she never knew she had a......never mind. Oh boyyy, you do have to wait on that one, like 7th season wait!!!
Another tidbit, "SIR, I PROTEST. I'M NOT A M??????N". Hehehe
Whichever of you both dislikes the episode agrees with most TNG fans at the time this episode was first broadcast. This is one of the most heavily criticised TNG episodes ever (no hyperbole).
I find that hard to believe, we've already had a handful that are orders of magnitude worse.
"Most" ?
@@Zikar There are plenty of episodes that are worse from the standpoint of stuff like acting, pacing, general writing, etc., but there are only a very few select episodes that morally upset people to a similar degree that "He's trying to r*pe her. Isn't that hilarious?" morally upsets people.
I’d say it was controversial among fans, and occasionally makes worse episode lists or at least dishonorable mentions, but there’s much worse episodes just from being forgettable or even more cringe than this one.
@@ZikarRemember that an episode can offend both on quality and content. The sex comedy aspect and the fact Sacket eas Roddenberry's secretary were real bones of contention. Think of season 4 and how there is a clear change in what kind of story and tone the character brings.
I always avoided the episodes with Lawana Troi. She's definitley one of treks most annoying characters.