The Creepiest FFVII Debug Room Ever [4-8Live]
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Translator: Lmao in 20 years this is gonna be fucking hilarious
Well the absolute fucking opposite
"Can you hear? The scream of the developers?"
"Don't you know? This IS Hades!" *starts dancing* - I have literally dated girls who were like that.
Best comment.
My ex had DID and was like this too.
Uh you mean like ur e girlfriend in wow?
Scary but true
@@bdemar2k12 nah, he means those crystal girls
The real question is why *wouldn't* you put jokes in your debug room
You've just blown my mind
the developers often put messages into the game files, sometimes they even are directed towards rom/iso hackers
You beat me to it. The debug room is literally the game team's playroom, probably mostly for programmers. If something is glitching, it probably went into the room. How can you not try to have a little fun in your personal playground where you can be a god and do whatever you want? It's a good idea not to keep controversial stuff in the debug room though in case players find it somehow
Had to correct you there "How can you not try to have a little fun in your personal playground where you can be a -god- HADES and do whatever you want? "
One of my favorite stories from programming class in college was one of my professor's friends wrote code for some company, and thought it would be funny at 3am to name one of his variables "jamesBrown". There was a problem with the program later and he got a call about it from whoever was maintaining it, and he said the program kept throwing an error because of a variable called "jamesBrown". Of course, he couldn't remember what that variable did, because the name of it tells you nothing, so he asked if there was any comments in the code, and the guy replied "it just says that it's the godfather of all other variables". So why do you ask is there weird jokes in the debug room? It was probably 3am.
"Welcome to hell"
*dances as surf music plays*
it's an inside joke: "hades" must be a bad translation for "developer hell"
the devs didn't want to put in a boring "cancel" option
The *floor* is screaming, because you're walking on it.
You're close. The scream is Aerith. But if you stand on a VERY specific point on the floor, it says, "You're not thinking of stepping on me, are you? I may be a floor, but that don't give you the right!"
And the floor's name is Blacky. I shit you not. I dug further into this room by looking at it in the game's code, and it's there for all to see. Of all the lines in that room attributed to Blacky, the scream is not.
That room also has a name that corroborates Aerith's statement that this IS Hades. It's called Dark City: Fourth Street.
I explain it all in this video: th-cam.com/video/VQEAFxjqr-E/w-d-xo.html
@@rawkfistgaming Aerith is screaming from being forced to dance for all eternity. She screams when you walk over a point right in front of her, so she screams every time you walk up to talk. It's just dark humor between developers. Reminds me of the buffy episode where people are forced to dance until they kill themselves.
If I was a developer I'd put so many memes and shit in the debug room, honestly who wouldn't?
As a developer (non-games), it's an inside joke the developers put there to entertain themselves...coding is hell sometimes. I do the same thing with my own debug code, whether it be commented notes that only other developers would see or the debugging outputs for displaying during troubleshooting my code but the customer never would see or know how to show it.
In Greek mythology, Hades was the name of the god of the underworld as well as the underworld itself, so having it as Hades is not incorrect...
In some religions hades is a place where the souls of the dead are stored until a day of judgement comes and then the souls will either go to heaven/paradise or hell
The scream is not from Aeris. It's the floor. You can talk to the floor btw.
楽 楽 what is this, Pee-wee's Playhouse?
Hmmmmm why now youtube
Floor
Floor was under develop character
@@johnr4836 Floor was enemy in Ultima ^^
The debug room is hell because debugging is a living hell.
Also, the scream was likely testing the ability to play a sound effect as a text box opened. It's not uncommon to "test" if combining lines of code together can work. For instance, seeing if the command .dialogue box "Hello"; .playse "gunblast"; will display the dialogue and gun blast at the same time, finish writing the dialogue then play the sound effect or wait until the dialogue box is closed to play the sound effect. It could also be making sure pitch / speed changes work since they have the same sound effect in two different areas of the room.
Maybe the work was so hard they called it hell lmao
6:00 Just imagine someone’s first-time reaction to this, lmao.
I had a tool called the Gold Finger that plugged into the serial port of my PS1. So back in the day I had access to this debug room. Good times.
Yeah me too and ff8 as well
Maybe the devs put that in as a joke because the game was so difficult to work on. And the translator didnt know exactly what they was translating. What was part of the game or not.
Inotamira Orani Your answer makes the most sense to me, it's probably an inside joke with the devs and one of them added that to give his fellow coworkers a much needed laugh.
It kind of subtracts from the creepiness, that the Chocobo theme is playing
5:03 The floor in front of Aeris is "alive", he is the one that screams. He asks you to not step on him, but the dude ran so he accidentally skipped this dialog.
hades is a summon in ff7 so there is a hades in the game
Joel Ivey he meant that there is no Enemy called hades
I also remember the Hades summon and it involved him stirring a pot and use of fire
So technically the debug room is in Hades. Whenever you go to the debug room you go inside The Hades Summon?
Nah that was just a joke from the developers about how hard development was, it's supposed to say "this is hell" not "this is hades," but it was translated wrong.
The FF7 debug room is so bizarre. The hades message creeped me out a little back in the day.
Software dev here. This probably got translated into English out of context. Many times, translators are given their work from a text dump from game or application. People verify context in-game, but why test a debug room that either no one knew about, or didn't care about. Hades may be a bad English translation or just a dev joke. Or both.
It's obviously just a developer joke that the translator translated without context.
For context,
In Greek they do call the underworld "hades" even though the god who rules its name is also hades
"its like this little joke reality that nobodys supposed to see" maybe thats what hell is irl too
8:00 -- I'm imagining the people of Mideel are like "uh... is anything going to actually happen... ? Is that thing going to attack us, or... what?"
Alternate timeline where the WEAPONs were created with double-digit (rather than single-digit) IQ and keep flying around looking for Sephiroth or JENOVA rather than just wrecking shit or attacking random innocent people for ostensibly no reason and arguably making things worse.
(yeah I know, they can't detect Sephiroth so they're attacking Shinra and the big cities which they detect as the next greatest threat to the planet, but you'd think the planet would have made the WEAPONs a little more intelligent. In fact, considering one of JENOVA's main abilities and threats is that it can hide amongst others and disguise/conceal itself, I don't even know how to planet expected the WEAPONs to be useful for combating it in any case; they're pretty much the worst possible design for a guardian against a JENOVA-style threat you could possible ask for.
6:40 The other devs can see it, it's probably just an inside joke.
The localization team probably didn't even know those lines were for a debug room, often times you'll just get a list of things that need translation and are only provided context for specific things, so you end up having to guess context for many other things which may at times be incorrect, and you'll only get around to correcting it after feedback from alpha/beta tests, so for a debug room that nobody is going to be testing, you won't receive feedback for those lines so they remain without context.
As for the use of romaji, those are probably lines that didn't receive localisation at all so automatically revert to English readable characters to avoid text encoding issues.
Japanese text doesn't magically convert to Romaji, that's plain wrong
Dude, that's so creepy, if i were to discover that as a kid while playing at night like i used to, i would have shit my pants.
Cascascap yea when I played games when I was a kid like ps2 and when it goes to the red screen I was like HOLY HELL MY PS2 GUNNA BLOW UP LOL
This is what they meant when they said Aerith was "stuck" in her journey through the Life Stream...
You could say that was a STRANGE JOURNEY!!!
Prince Kazuya no it was more of a bizarre adventure.
smt reference no way 😱
I work in construction and my super put a fake plastic skull in a corner of a house that won't be seen until the walls are torn down (presumably) during the next renovation years from now. He said "Ha! I bet that'll freak somebody out some day!" I assume this is the coding version of that.
For context,
In Greek they do call the underworld "hades" even though the god who rules its name is also hades
The floor is the one who screams at you. [The floor also has its own dialogue] You stepping on the floor killed it.
it was an inside joke. to hell was obviously the cancel selection for that menu, closing it. it was just a little joke. same thing with the scream.
Hell... it's more horrific than any of us imagined...
Indeed, seems like the devs hid a bit of their dark side in the debug room. :P
Sorry to bother, but (if this isn't just a really unlucky coincidence) we would need you to log on NS from time to time.
Also, how is your FFX playthrough?
Oh hi, looks like you found me goofing off.
My FFX playthrough is going ok, I've just defeated Sin and I'm inside him now. How are you doing with FFVII?
Are you focusing only on story, or also sidequests? You might miss out on the best weapons and stuff :P
I presume you found the Monster Arena, too, so I would also notify you that capturing mosters works inside Sin as well x)
And about FFVII.. I'm in the coastal Shinra town not far from Fort Condor, saved a dolphin from an annoying boss.. Not really far to be honest, should progress a bit. :)
I'm mainly focusing on the story rather than the sidequests. I found the monster arena and will probably get around to that in the postgame. I did all the destruction spheres in the temples (Bevelle temple sucks), but I have missed about a third of the Al-Bhed primers. I haven't done any blitzball apart from that one mandatory game because I absolutely hate blitzball. I did find Yojimbo and got him for a (reasonably) good price.
Btw, it's official; Tidus is my least favourite character in any game ever. I hated him as a kid, and I hate him even more now. x)
Oh wow, you're still in Junon? That's only just beyond the beginning. The game goes into a bit of a lull after Junon but revs right up fairly quickly after that. You've still got most of the game's best bits still to come.
Well, I should warn you then there is no post-game space to do that, unfortunately. As long as you stay away from the portal at the end of City of Dying Dreams, you can do anything you want.
I am surprised that you still hate Tidus after all, because he certainly seemed to change his attitude throughout the story. x)
Yeah, in Junon. Well, I'm about fifteen hours in the game, and spent a whole hour beating the Zolom (three times...) so I am rather slow in my progress :P
Hades technically isn't a mistranslation, given that it refers to the land of the dead in Greek mythology. Also consider that Japanese to English translations in Jrpgs frequently use terms from mythology to name things.
It's definitely a smart joke meant for the smart developers using the debug room.
First time I saw the Debug Room was messing around with a GameShark. Didn't understand what it was nor what I was doing as a kid... 😅
"They aren't saying Hades, they are saying, like, hell."
Uuuuuuuuhhh........
debuggers are people who need to be amused too. In fact their job is extremely boring at times and hellaciously irritating at others. It makes sense that the programmers would leave jokes in some places for their already annoyed colleagues to find as they test features.
Look at the debug rooms of any RPG maker game and you'll find the same stuff. AAA devs, at least in the 90s, did the same thing. The industry is often a lot less whimsical these days, but smaller companies who still like their jobs still do this type of thing.
The scream is probably just a random sound file they tested last, and they put it in the "speak to aeris" trigger, because it was easy to test.
That Aeris dancing thing was probably an internal programers joke
When a programmer gets to make what he wants without being told what to do. He had to make a debug room anyway so might as well make it fun for himself. It's a treasure and self expression.
4:37 HOLY SHIT!
A debug room with correct translation c:
Curious thing, on the way to a smile has a reference to hades...not the summon, but hades as a place
From a programmers perspective the debugroom is kind of a underworld where "magic" things can happen or is lurking beneath the real game etc. So its similar to hades.
These "screams" you mentioned is meant to be the giant Aerith cheering in a cheerleader kind of style to "cheer" up the porogrammers a bit. I guess but due to the limitation of usable sound effects/it was just a little joke they used that sound which fits a bit weirdly.
Its pretty reasonable to assume that they had the forethought, that people in the future would on a more regular basis, have access to technology that would allow them to more deeply explore the code. This is clearly an easter egg they put in the debug room
debug room looks like fun.
I found that room waaay back in the day with my gameshark pro, which i still have. I explored the expletive deleted out of the debug room. Fun times.
i found that many many years ago when i was just a child messing around my ps1 i dont have any idea how did i get into the debug room in the first place but i remember that i was very confused of what i was seeing :D
Even the normal, or understandable aspects of the debug room can still startle you because of the creepy atmosphere of the room itself followed by a tense moment of the game suddenly happening out of context. Like that Ultima Weapon flying around scene is supposed to feel unsettling, but at least during the game it's in context and you're expecting it. Going from a desolate void suddenly into roars and screams and a huge dragon monster flying around is really jarring. The debug room really brings out the horror nature of the game because, again, without the surrounding FF context, a lot of the stuff feels like it'd be more at home in a game like Parasite Eve or Resident Evil.
That room was Hell, with some of the dead characters
Hades is the wrong translation, the correct one is "hell", that's what tcrf says
I feel cool having discovered this on my own as a kid with nothing but time and a gameshark.
6:25 Rinoa, really? I was in ff8 debug mode and that's not true. (see the chat)
J.Raxel yup I also did some research I don't think it's true
DesertEagleX It isn't
Isnt there a summon materia callef hades?
Well it's either a reference to the "hell" the programmer went through or it maybe that a hades fight was originally part of the game but due to time constraints they might have removed it and just put the material for him into the sunken plane. The sunken plane seems to have a lot of stuff dumped into it which was likely meant to be used elsewhere
i think the developers knew full well people would find a way into the debug room, and had a chuckle at the idea of us being confused with the HADES thing
I'm a professional philosopher, and when I saw this I thought it was a Jean-paul Sartre reference by a programmer. Read his play No Exit, Hell is depicted as a small room you are trapped in with two or three other people stuck annoying each other for all eternity. Just my take....
Think of it from the developer's perspective, dealing with an ungodly number of bugs and spaghetti code and lack of sleep. People get silly in that kind of state, and more than likely one threw the Hades (Hell) line in as a joke to themselves and their colleagues where nobody but then would likely see it.
It looks like a Cancel button (with an inside joke) in case you talked with a wrong character. You can see that in the first menu it will appear as "Hold it, I need a break".
It's a warp room makes sense to call it hades so people know what the room name is in the code.
I don't belong in the Debug Room. I want to go to the other place!
THIS IS THE OTHER PLACE!
hades might be reference to the fact the characters are stuck In that debug room forever.
That room within the debug room was called Hades?
I found that room like 15 years ago if not even longer then that. That room is what helped me have aerith on disc 2 and 3 before we found other ways to do so this is the way I used to do it
So invested in trying to make sense of it. It's a debug area it doesn't have to make sense hahahaha
its just a way out of the menu without loading a scene.
Could be because there doesn't seem to be a cancel option to get out of that menu and that serves as the cancel, with a jocular comment for good measure.
the scream seems to be link to the hotel at the gold saucer lol maybe there some sort of connection??
If you talk to that female nurse and pick Princess, you control giant aeris.
I am occasionally administrating an online game. Most NPCs i log and debug have a bit of personality when sending information to the log or responding to a function that calls up values or informations required for debugging. I guess, probably everyone who did a bit of game development at some point can relate to doing such things, especially where is no harm in doing so. Cool to see that other devs are doing the same.
Seems simple to me. Hades is a reference to the underworld, AKA Hell. To the developers trying to get everything right, and everything working, the sheer volume of time spent in the debug room was hell. So it's an inside joke for their own amusement that no one else was supposed to see.
Similar energy as the TF2 code comments
I fussed about with the Debug Room back when, giving Cloud the Ultima Weapon too, using a Gameshark. Fun times, am pleasantly surprised the rooms are accessible with exploits.
5:22 - Cloud gettin' it
I remember getting in this and the ff8 debug rooms with a game shark as a kid and spending sooo many hours messing with stuff
you're looking into a window of programmer culture at square in japan of the 90s - that explains everything you can't explain. It's weird, opaque, and nerdy. That's programmers for ya!
You'd think they'd put Cait Sith & The OTHER glasses scientist guy forget his name in their being the weirdest character
Total Easter egg from a very overworked programmer or bug tester, "This is Hades" is the voice of the tester/coder that is letting some steam of with some humor and making himself laugh.
I would of thought you went through the whole game to know it inside and out. I guess you didn't get the summon Hades? How could you not?
I’m guessing the debug room was used or meant to be used for play testing and the programmers left fun pranks for the testers
The devs are trying to tell us that the world we live in, this earth is really HELL. we have all already died and now we’re literally in hell.
Why no save state to easily access debug room?
Does this possibly allude to Aeris being Persephone?
I'm guessing this was associated with some level of stress the developers went through.
all i can say about this is that the spanish version of the game has its debug room translated too ( final fantasy vii's been an example of bad translation in the spanish media since it came out btw ) and the hades message is translated as "estas loco? esto es el infierno" wich means "are you crazy? this is hell" so yeah, i guess translator just got the texts of the game and started translating out of any context.
Okay but why would you remove the debug room
Just a random point but in Greek mythology Hades is sometimes given as a name to the underworld as well as the God himself. There are heaps of references in Final Fantasy games to Greek mythology =)
d you have this game on steam?
What are those 3 spirit worlds Aerith is talking about? And you can go to spirit world... again? Please, I need answers!
Lol what if this is what life is for us to, what if we are just in a debug room lmfao
And you found that creepy... It doesn't take much...
well, the debug room itself filled with random charcters is weird, what I actually find weird first of all is when you select in the debug room "Sumimasen" and then you fight Pyramid like the ones Reno cast on you but you fight it in a dark background. after the battle the next thing you know you're in the middle of North West ocean
I think the developers put those weird stuff in the debug room just to have fun. At least that's what I do in the game I'm making, even though my debug room isn't as strange as this one.
There is no reason game developers put things like Aerith saying we're in hell/hades. When you develop a game(especially with multiple people), you find yourself having personal jokes and creation in a Debug room precisely because you know that nobody will see it(or at least not for a long time) there is no actual context other than that they needed to test the warp functions and probably just said "screw it" and implemented it for a quick laugh between co-workers.
I theorize that NPCs were a convenient method for making options by debug-- they do this as well in Super Mario RPG debug.
When making the debug room the programmer noticed the animations of the characters felt very scary to look at since they are not in context and too fast, so he decided to add in something else scary to parody the kowai vibes.
Chances are they knew we would see debug room one day like a Easter egg.
I have been terrific of exits since I went to my first pub at 14 yrs
Edit I’m Irish and 32 now
If you had to spend so many hours debugging a game that you need to create a debug room and then spend endless hours trying the same scenes over and over again until the run correctly, you might think that room is hell, too.
Hades is a perfectly normal alternative word for hell from back when US culture was genteel enough to avoid swearing in public.
Could someone tell me where the scary part is?
I found that room on the game shark back on the original game on PlayStation 1
I think it's just a placeholder for exiting the menu.
The Debug Room was a way to get Aerith back how was made it I don't recall