Stop Rotating Your Tires
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- Stop Rotating Your Tires
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The only time rotating tires will help is if you have a 4wd / AWD vehicle, because you have to change all 4 tires at the same time on those cars. But for FWD vehicles, you can just change out the front and back tires in pairs when they wear out
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but alot places offer buy 3 get 1 free.
Hey Scotty, the Fronts on my 2013 Chevy Sonic wore out faster than my Rears. I bought new ones up front, but my rears still have some tread life left. This sound about right?
@@agstros yes your car is a fwd so that means your front tires steer and drive the car so it's normal to have the fronts wear out first
@@welshie2007 your Tesla might need an alignment
I rotated the tires on my daughter's 04 CR-V. But I did it myself.
She had a vibration in the steering wheel above 60mph.
The passenger front must be a smidge out of balance. A better man would get that taken care of.
But.. You know.. 😂
Neighbors gotta be like Scotty out there yelling again
Yeah... and many probably have NO IDEA how loaded he is doing what he does! They just think he is a little crazy! LOL
@@travisjazzbo3490
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He yelling nonsense again..
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They pull up a lawn chair and never have to watch his videos.
I rotate my tires every time I drive! It’s truly effortless!
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Nice!😂
Hell yeah, u know what you're doing!!
As a pro technician for the last 16 years , no scotty , youll be replacing tires more often if you never rotate them, bad advice 😂
if they need rotation wont it cause slight vibration at high speeds? like slight slight vibration
As someone who currently has two almost flat and balded flat tires after forgetting to rotate them. I agree
@@airborneranger3293 That would be a balance issue
You might replace them more frequently but do the math, if your paying for a tire rotation every 5k, you are better off just buying new tires than paying for all the rotations
@@josephgould7129 With today's expensive tires I would doubt that. 5k is too frequent, anyway, for pretty much any vehicle. Rotations also keep tire noise down and reduce strain on all wheel drive systems by maintaining equal tread depths
I've said the same thing for years.
Dang it feels good to see someone on the same page.
People have been conditioned to think they have to have their tires rotated.
One of the biggest scams in auto repair.
Agreed
I never pay at Costco.
And they balance the tires for free at the same time.
My vehicles often roll down the hiway more smoothly after a free tire rotation.
Now we know that Scotty's shop charged for tire rotations.
If you're treading is uneven definitely rotate
I can gurantee you’re over 45 and only have old ppl knowledge on cars sorry to break it to ya bud but cars work diffrent now compared to the 80s 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
If Scotty’s ever arrested he’ll never be able to explain his story with the cuffs on. 😒
Must be eyetalian😅
LOL that's what I say about Peter Schiff on TH-cam!!! So yeah must be Italian 🤣and that ain't a bad thing at all!!!
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As far as the hand gestures go, he’s more eyetalian than the Italians 😂
People are still making these jokes for likes? It has literally been 15 years with the cuffs/arms jokes. Good lord get original, people.
As a mechanic, I must say. We don't rotate tires because of how well the tires are made, we rotate them to maximize tire life. Tires will wear more on what we call "drive wheels". This is to say, the tires that receive direct power from the transmission. That way, you can keep your tires for a longer period of time.
So once you rotate the tires now you "rear wheels" are on the front "drive wheels" and will start to wear rubber more. So now you are wearing those wheels at a faster rate. There is no benefit. Overall cost to the motorist is the same. I replace my front drive wheels when worn, you apparently want to replace all 4 wheels at the same time. Do you rotate your brake rotors too? :-)
@@rfarevalo It’s simply to even tire wear so you aren’t buying tires as often
Scientific Research conducted by auto engineers show you buy tires at the same rate with tire rotation on 21st century vehicle as without tire rotation. The difference is that without tire rotation cars handle better.
@@rfarevalo I don’t care about the science, my whole point was to show why we do it. That’s how it is in the industry. You do you.
@@jaycour6423 I do what the auto engineers and vehicle service manuals state, you do you (which is outdated wives tales and ignorance to facts presented to you). Scotty and car talk are both right about "not rotating tires", maybe that is why people listen to his options and not yours. Think about it.
FWD AWD 4WD RWD all have front tires that turn the vehicle. Very few vehicles have four wheel steering. So if you using a steering wheel to turn the tires you need to rotate tires. I would go with factory recommended intervals give or take a couple miles.
Many RWD cars use wider tyres on the rear axle so its not possible to rotate tyres, its essential to rotate 4WD and AWD tyres. FWD its not essential but still best for overall performance and its more cost effective to buy tyres in 4s.
My thought process is that the front tires turn more than the back so they wear faster than the back so you should rotate from front to back 😮
Not just that but where all of the weight is, with engine and trans etc sitting between them. And hard cornering etc.
Personally I've also never got an alignment yet my truck drives pretty straight but it could use an alignment some day
The front tires will definitely wear faster when you consider they turn left and right all the time. Just rotated mine the other day bc the front was definitely more wore than the back. Especially on the edges
more worn
Not to mention the front tires absorb the bulk of the braking force in addition to lateral forces of steering as mentioned. I do agree this is a money grab for most service centers wanting to do rotation prematurely. Onus is on the owner to keep track of mileage, but few do.
@@amcclaur80012 ,he's right. I only transfer my front tires at the rear. Never rotated.
Does he mean what we call balancing? Or something else, never heard of rotating tyres over here
@@sheffielduk3428 moving tires to different locations on the vehicle to even out wear characteristics.
I believe in rotation, some don’t. Some replace two tires at a time and put the best used on the back, avoiding 4 tire cost.
I rotate around 6k miles or so and replace 4 as a set when they’re worn.
The front tires wear different than the rear because of steering and weight differences.
This is one time I disagree with Scotty. While I don’t think you need to rotate at every oil change, I do believe in it as tires show wear.
For safety reason, you want all four tires to wear evenly. It's not uncommon the front tires will wear three or four times faster than the rear tires on a FWD vehicle.
Thanks captain obvious
@@smokey-smoreSome people don't know a thing about cars and getting scammed. Good to have people that are speaking the truth.
Yes it will wear even faster if you had replaced any front suspension parts. Learned it the hard way.
Replaced all front suspension parts and didnt get an alignment shortly after. Let it ran for a couple months then had to get a new set of front tires because they were getting chewed up.
@@Strange_Man1911 lol 😂
On all cars the fronts will wear faster (under normal conditions) because of the weight of the engine.
Tires are one of the most important parts on your vehicle and their condition should be taken seriously. Front tires typically wear much faster than rear tires due to multiple factors. These include alignment angles, drivetrain, weight distribution, cornering, braking, and driving habits to name a few. Front tires will also wear unevenly compared to the rear tires even when alignment and tire pressures are set to specifications. This is due to alignment angles inherent to cars that are necessary for stability and to counteract road crowning which is common on almost all roads. Due to these facts, it is best to maintain even tire wear on all four tires for the life of the tires. Worn tires can cause driveability and handling issues without even mentioning safety. Most drivers won’t notice these effects on dry roads but you have to account also, for low traction conditions. That’s the reason treads exist. Another factor not mentioned is tire age which is a serious safety concern. If your front tires wear out four times faster than the rear, for example, how old then are the rear tires on your fourth set of fronts? There have been many cases of fatal crashes due to old tires. I realize some vehicles have staggered tire sizes and also directional tires so rotations aren’t even an option. In those cases, the tires should be replaced in pairs or sets depending on wear, condition, and tread difference. I can’t agree with Scotty on this one. If you can save money, certainly do that, but you shouldn’t do that at the expense of safety, for yourself, your family, and everyone else on or near the road.
Tread on road tires is not for traction but to pump away water on wet roads which prevents hydroplanning. This is a common misconception. In dry conditions a smooth tire has maximum traction. Just look at F1 tires.
@@MarzNet256 tread is for both. Look at F1 tires when they’re worn, they’re still slick however tires lose grip as they wear. Also, I mentioned that.
I be damned if Scotty ain’t just saved me more money. No more rotating tires, check.
As a mechanic, if you’re going to do this, please make sure to get a tread depth gauge and be checking the tread depth inside to outside of the tire. Tires, especially on trucks, still wear unevenly due to many factors including drive wheel vs non drive wheel.
Scotty just be talking
Discount tire does it for free 🤣
Most tire stores that sold you your tires will rotate and balance them for free for the life of the tire .
Good luck. You'll be changing those tires soon.
I disagree with Scotty on this one
Affirmative. Tire rotation absolutely necessary. My preference is every 3,000 MI. Religiously.
3k is way to excessive 10k works like a charm
Flats and leaks have a lot to do with tire wear. Driving on a collapsed tire destroys the sidewall belt integrity really quick.
Agreed. Use a top line synthetic oil, change it every 7500 miles and do a tire rotation at the same time. Why not wear your tires evenly and replace them all at the same time when the time comes?
100% disgree. Used to work at a tire shop. Rotate is usually free with oil change.
Front tires seem to wear faster on front wheel drive. So I rotate them front to back. Beneficial.😊
I have always rotated my tires on my vehicles I do mine front to back no criss crossing I bought a 2020 Ford ecosport and I let them service it I tell them front to back rotation and they get mad
Uh it wears faster because those tires are used for turning.
@@domini384 and for accelerating
FWDs are heavy in the front too further increasing wear relative to the back.
@@domini384 well then why do my back tires wear faster on my rear wheel drive vehicles? Pretty sure it’s because they’re powered and not because they’re turning.
Scotty looks like Richard Dawkins yelling at everyone 😂😂
Scotty suggests replacing tires in sets of two. The problem with this is that tire manufacturers discontinue tire models after a few years. This could mean that you will need to run two different tire models which will have different handling characteristics. This could be dangerous.
Safer to rotate and wear all four tires evenly and replace all four at once.
I rotate at home, then I pay my self
My son used to do that for me..but after a few Bud Lights ...well..now he takes it to the shop ...wearing a dress 😂
I do it at home even though Costco will do it for free. too much hassle to set up an appointment then wait two hours. If I had their equipment I'd be done in 5 minutes. it also gives me a good opportunity to check the brake pads while I have the wheels off.
Six pack of cold beer and a steak is what I charge myself.
Yep INDEED ❗👍🏼😋
Me to!!!!
I generally agree with you on most things, but the front tires get rounded off from turning and if you don’t rotate them you will eventually see the difference. The front tires will be rounded on the edges and the rear tires will be straight across. Just my opinion.
On a 2wd car the front and rear dont need to match
Wear is wear .. if you have a 2wd leave them alone and replace the front when needed
@@marshallderriek1858you won’t always get equal wear on the passenger and drive side (typically passenger side wears faster as people in left drive cars will make left turns more aggressively but it’s not always the case). This is why they tell you to rotate in an X pattern. Will it kill you or the tires if you don’t… probably not
The wheels on the bus go round and round # I thought all tyres rotated? 😀
Something else you need to know about tires is that you don't have to inflate tires to the maximum psi. I run 30 psi in mine. I have had them on the car for three years come July and I have a long way to go to wear them out.
I drive a 4th Gen Prius and I have found that the front tires wear out much quicker than the rear ones. Rotating tires saves me money. You, sir, are incorrect.
Very incorrect
This guy is saying exactly what I've been thinking for years!
Most tire retailers rotate the tires free of charge for the life of the tire, if you bought them there.
And you will wait forever to get that done.
@@slamdunkslamdunk6995 never waited more then a half hour just don't go on weekends
@@christianterrill3503 I used to do that.. during week. i just let dealer do when it is already in for an OC. $25 or so for rotation and they track it all in their system. Ive got 5 cars in household and its just too much going on. im doing good to get oil change and a wash.
Right, and why would they do this for free if it wasn't necessary?
@@Jemgirly To check for anything else they suggest you have done.
I rotate my tires every time I drive my car. No problems.
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Mine rotate also. However, I noticed a problem. When I'm driving forward, the tires on the right side rotate clockwise, but the tires on the left side rotate counter-clockwise.
@@ronaldbryant5215 Its because you are in the Northern Hemisphere.
You couldn’t be more wrong sir
You must work for a tire shop 😂
@@Sale-Big-Or-Go-Home Or he doesn't wanna admit that he's been wasting money all his life
Please explain why is he wrong. Thank you!
Paying someone to rotate tyres on a non 4WD or AWD vehicle is a waste of time its worthwhile on any vehicle if you're doing it yourself though.
Next he will say you don't need alignments.
As an alignment and suspension specialist, not rotating your tires is a bad idea. But don't listen to the people who work on them daily. Trust some TH-camr telling you it's fine not to rotate. Send him your tire replacement bills.
This isn’t the confirmation bias Scotty’s viewers came here to read.
Scotty’s audience wants to hear that for optimal performance, they should buy four used tires from four different brands, with four different speed ratings, four different load index ratings, and no manufacturer warranty because quality tires/shops are a scam.
If you don’t rotate then what happens?
@@iamjogun he's not explaining a lot. Alot of tire wear has to to do with it being f.w.d. and r.w.d and if the alignment is out they will wear uneven. So it's a good idea to rotate them to the best position and alignment around 3 to 5k miles. Or don't. It's your car but I've never heard in 15 years of being a technician not rotating them because they are radial tires. Doesn't matter what kind if tire it is.
I work for Nissan. I rotate my tires every 5,000 miles. It extends the life of the tires.
And if there is one thing Nissan knows, it's getting a lot of life out of cars...
Yeah Scotty's tripin here lol
@@rhpmike funniest bull I've ever heard 😜
I’ll bet you reprogram your active shutters every 5k too🤣it’s extends the life right
@@16zone that's a totally different story. I have notice if you flush the Cvt every 30k they tend to do a lot better. When I was with Hyundai we had massive Cvt issues as well. Cvt is simply not that great. Now the Nissan trucks in the other hand seem to be damn near bullet proof.
your front tires turn left and right all the time. After about 10 to 12 thousand miles you will notice the front tires outside edges are wearing off. The rears will still have a nice square shoulder on them. That's why I rotate my tires about every 12 to 15 thousand miles.
Fully agree.
Yes, the front tires on a front drive car take a beating while the rears have it easy. Rotating tires front to rear helps to even out the wear otherwise the fronts wouldn’t last that long.
Very true. Most cars also have more weight in the front which will cause the tires to wear out faster than the rear.
I'm guessing if a car is turned at higher speed or while stopped that might happen, but I've got 38000 miles and they all look great still, original factory and no rotation
@@agostinodibella9939 Some cars you cant rotate the tires.
depends how you drive too though and road surface conditions. regardless of tire, as a mechanic myself, sometimes the fronts wear more than the rears, and we advice customers to rotate so that the rear tires which have more tread get used better in any weather conditions to steer better due to the increase tread depth.
I was always told to rotate them cause the front has more down force when stopping due to the engine which leads to more wear when braking.
As someone who worked in a tire shop I can tell he is just plain wrong, he's leaving out the "Balance" part of rotate and balance.
The drive tires are going to wear faster than non-drive tires. The rotation won't effect how they wear. They will help slow the wear of the set as a whole. I recently had a car at my job with 2/32nds on the front (fwd) and 8/32nds on the rear. They never rotated their tires.
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This will contribute to the likelihood of the rear tires drying out before they wear out.
I work at honda and can confirm. The lube techs always complain because they were taught “its not really necessary but it makes us money”
The tire manufacturers require it to be done otherwise it voids the manufacturer’s tread wear mileage warranty.
@@dustinteasdale6091 doesn’t change the fact that its not really necessary anymore. Not to mention you shouldnt always wait until the tread is worn because if the tire drys out or the sealant in it wears out the tire is no longer safe, which for the majority of people will come first.
@@phillipbanes5484 yeah keeping them out of sunlight is a win. The sun is what will do most damage to a tire concerning age.
This is false. I've had my 03 Honda for 20 years. I've had 6 different set of tires put on. The front wear faster than the back. If you don't rotate you might get half the life out of the tires.
@@kennethlee2024 It's just easier to replace the front tires.
Are you kidding me? I am a licensed technician, have been for over 20 years and I can tell you that any tire on a front steering axle will wear the outside edges from cornering and that is the reason we rotate from front to back. It allows the tire to wear evenly to maximize your tire life. Why wouldn't you want to rotate your tires if it saves you money? I can tell you as a tech I always inspect the tires on the car and only recommend a rotation if necessary. It is pointless to rotate them if they don't need to be so maybe we need to address the issue of bad shops that like to rip people off and not the issue of rotating tires. Shame on you Scotty for bringing mis information to people. You should know better. Your ridiculous video and rants no doubt have caused some people to not rotate their tires and all you managed to do is cost them more money in the long run. I'm betting your just a back yarder and don't have a license to back you up lol. Everyone claims to be an expert here but few really are.
I never rotate them and by the time they are past their expiration date I have 40% tread left. Why would I waste money or my time rotating them exactly?
bet my bottom dollar scotty would smoke you in diagnosing anything and fixing it. Idk him from a can of paint but the man drops knowledge all mf day and if you're a licensed technician, technician of what, tire? Electronics? Suspension? what technician are you and what do you do.
Mf scotty kilmer is nothing but pure facts and even tho he does things faster than i ever will he has never steered me wrong.
start a YT channel if you have older car knowledge like mine an 05 focus ' and if youre video saves me money on doing it myself ill superchat you the difference cause thats what a mf does for people who teach them life skills like this man.
On my FWD I criss cross the front tires and the back tires come straight to the front. Guys at the shop said they didn’t know why I would do it that way. Said they’d never seen that. But that way every tire will be in each position during the course of its life.
@@thecapone45 Radial tires used to develop problems if direction of rotation was changed. Supposedly this is no longer an issue but I personally would still avoid doing so.
Learned the hard way you must rotate tires. My 50k mile tires were lasting 20k. Now I buy new tires with free rotations and get an alignment, then rotate every 5k for free. Getting alignments with worn tires makes them wear faster. Do after getting new tires
Listen to Scotty if you want your front tires to wear out way quicker than the rears. Or if you like chopped tires for a loud ride down the highway.
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Rotating is stupid and most luxury and sports car OEM's say don't do it. If you rotate now your rear tires will start wearing faster too. What every tire you have on the drive wheels will of course wear quicker. How about you just buy new tires for the front wheels when they wear out. Do the math. rotate or don't rotate the cost is the same when it comes to low tire tread requiring a tire replacement.
@@rfarevalo considering you can save 20-40 percent buying tires 4 at a time if you shop for deals and rebates how in the name of heaven do you do just as well replacing tires 1 or 2 at a time? If you think drive wheels are what wears out faster then you're quite a specimen. Not to mention even luxury cars that are aligned within spec correctly can have eccentricities that wear certain spots faster on certain corners. Rotating spreads that wear out across the entire life of all 4, causing you to use fewer tires over the life of the car.
Rafelo just shut up 🤐
@@rfarevaloit wears on different parts of the tire which is why you get more mileage.
If your suspension and driving allows all 4 to wear evenly on each tire then yes you are correct if it's just a front wear faster thing etc... Typically though it's outer/inner edges on specific tires causing half of the tire to prematurely wear not a perfectl worn tire across the tread.
Rotating tires definitely even the wear patterns. I'll be rotating my tires lol
Fr. Especially if your alignment is more aggressive than what the dealership does.
I run my Miata with WAY more camber than what Mazda recommends, and cornering is much better. However, I must rotate my tires or they wear unevenly.
If your alignment on your Camry is in line with Toyota OEM spec you’re probably fine rotating them every other oil change at least.
Also, if you have jack stands just go ahead and rotate the fuckin things yourself. It’s free and takes 10 minutes.
@@schakalicious6023not really man. Easily 30 minutes
@@All-about-everything ok fine, i could see 30 minutes if you don’t jack up your car that much or do not have power tools. Still easily less than 30 mins
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Do I hear 25 minutes?
Rotating is important. I think around 5,000 miles is fine. The reason being is whether it’s fwd or AWD or RWD, the front tire outside edge gets worn down faster simply because they steer the car and are at a sharper angle to the road due to turning, than the rear tires.
I saved customers lots of money by rotating their tires...when and if they needed it. We charged very little, did it as an added service to take care of our customers.
Many, but not all, will. They should do it free just to gain word of mouth. 10min or less is worth it
@@kurupt86 So les schwab does it for free if you buy the tires there, so there must still be reason to rotate. especially if you drive your car hard.
Discount Tire does it for free and many other tire places if you got tires from them
Discount tire and other Garage chains do that so they can try to do brake work for you it’s not for free
Most of them ( including discount tire, sams club, costco or walmart ) aren't doing brakes
@@angrysanman123 what a derpus.
I scheduled an appointment to have my tires rotated at Tire Discounters (purchased tires from them, so it was free). Took the car in at the time of appointment and they turned me away, saying they didn't have time for it. I haven't been back since. Honor my appointment, even though it's not making you money. I will now never purchase tires from them again.
@@angrysanman123
Stupid, Discount Tire doesn't do brakes.
Pro Tip. If you have off-road tires it is very important to rotate them regularly. Without rotation they will end up with irregular wear patterns that will create tremendous road noise.
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Don't criss cross them. Left front to left rear, right front to right rear
@@smokeinapeterbilt that doesn't matter at all. Switching the sides does nothing so I never do it anyway.
Or any kind of tire!
@@Bearbait01 It should make a difference unless you're driving on flat roads which is very unlikely due to roads being built with a camber, as such left and right tires will wear differently due to the variation with the curve of the road.
I never have to ask a mechanic to rotate my tires. My tires rotate every time I drive. Wait, that's what he meant, right?
I don't rotate my tires I rotate me CARS!!!
Some tire manufacturers and tire shops will void the tire warranty if there isn’t record of any tire rotations done on a vehicle.
As a Wal-Mart Auto Care Center Tech, I can confirm that. It voids the manufacturer warranty. Also, most places include rotation with the tire sales. Wal-Mart sells tires for less money because of the volume they buy and sell. We sell lifetime balance and rotation, so it doesn't cost you extra as long as the tread is above the wear bars.
Aren't tire warranties an urban legend? Do tire warranty folk ever pay out money?
@@joecommenter1332I just cashed in yesterday.. had the tires for 3 weeks and then ran over a hammer exiting expressway..had to pay for mount and balance and new warranty on the new tire, but saved me over $100
@@joecommenter1332 I've been getting the warranty for years now and when it's time to replace them I pay about $50 per tire. Much better than the $150+ that I used to pay. It also takes care of punctures.
@@joecommenter1332 if you get your tires at a membership warehouse-store you can absolutely cash in on that warranty. I've put on dozens of tires for just the mounting fee. If you used less than 2/32 we probably are gonna buy you a new tire.
Front tires do the turning. I send them to the back wheels at half-life.
It's dangerous to rotate tires that late. Your car might drift if road is wet
I did not with an old Explorer. I knew the new set of 4 tires were going to last longer than the car. The uneven worn front went to the back and the still looking good back went to the front and that's how it run for some years.
When the fronts get all rounded off and the rears are flat across.
Now define “half-life”
@@Fried_chicken_burger wrong
The exception to this is when your front end is misaligned the front tires don't wear evenly. I believe its called the tow in and tow out adjustment. Rotating can lengthen the life of the front tires. And hence all of them.
*toe, not tow.
I rotate to keep the front and rear wearing more evenly. I 100% have seen better wear and longer life since I started rotating the tires every 6 months to a year.
If you buy them at a place like Sams Club, they rotate them for free.
You totally missed his point
And you get discounted price if you buy 4 tires at once. Front tires will always wear out much faster than rear ones.
@@susangustafson509 His point misses the point. You don’t rotate tires because they wear unevenly on a per-tire basis. You rotate them because front and back pairs wear unevenly.
I’ve never bought tires at a place that didn’t offer free rotation. Costco, Sams, Discount Tire all do it for free and they wouldn’t offer a free service if it wasn’t recommended by the manufacturers.
@@DMS20231 Some of us with higher performance vehicles (or just larger trucks / full size SUVs) learn that techs at these places do not know how balance tires properly. NEVER been to a place like that in 20 years and never had the vibrations I use to always get from low $$ providers. You get what you pay for a quality shop who actually knows how to balance is not going to do it for free for the life of the tire.
*Honda also does free rotations with the life of the tires.
I do a ton of highway miles. I rotate the tires once every 25,000. This gives me a chance to clean the wheels inside and out. I also inspect and clean the rotors and calibers. I also inspect the tires for nails or gashes. I also make sure the wheels are torqued to specs. I feel it's the right thing to do.
Scotty’s advice doesn’t work then?
I do about 20K miles a year mostly highway commuting and I rotate mine 4 times a year because TireDiscounters includes it when you buy a set of tires from them. Seems like a good idea to have uniform tread depth on all 4 corners at all times to promote safer driving control of your vehicle. Especially in wet conditions. Why would you want the front tires down to 2/32nds and the back tires at like 6/32nds?! I drive an Audi S4 B8 btw with permanent AWD quattro
I don't know the equivalent of highway miles to local miles. With most of the miles being driven in a straight line tread wear is more uniform increasing the length needed for rotations. It probably wouldn't hurt to rotate them an additional time but they seem to wear quite even for me. I don't like having anyone else rotate them. Trust issues based on past experiences having my rims scratched, not balanced properly, incorrect air pressure, not torqued to exact specs, etc. If they look like they are wearing uneven by all means rotate them more frequently.
It is. Keep rotating my man
That’s great to do!
OEM says to rotate. It's even in the owner's manual.
Yep. Having performed thousands of alignments, I have seen first hand what happens when you do not rotate your tires properly.
Now, if you don't drive very far or very often. You don't need to worry about it. But, at least rotate them at every oil change.
@@AndrewSYoung87what happens?
I agree with this man on a lot of things but as a tire tech this is %100 wrong. tires sitting on the back axels to long will cup, that shoulder wear he’s talking about is due to alignment
The rear tires on my Mustang would beg to differ.
he didn't say never ever rotate them . basically he said don't do it all the time he even said if you notice lots of extra wear on some tires go ahead and rotate them. Basically once your mustang back tires are half way to the wear bars put them on the front but not before or you just put extra stress on your lug bolts and nuts & spend extra money.
I drive one too. Gotta rotate the clutch well before the tires lmaooooo
I think the crowds beg to differ 😂
@@joeshirey5448 "stop rotating your tires".
"I never rotated the tires on any of them"
Looks like you're wrong, bud.
Try paying attention next time.
Because Ford Mustang is RWD and if the mfg says rotate your tires, rotate them at the recommended intervals. Check the tire air pressure.
On a 2wd rotate your tires so you can replace them all as a set. Tire shops will give you a discount on 4. Rotate them for free in your driveway.
The problem is, most cars are FWD where: Front tires wear out on the threads. Rear tires rotted out due to age. If you rotate the front to the back, it will at least eliminate the rotting problem (ensure the threads are used up before they are rotted).
Listening to Scotty, i have front 2 wheel drive, honda civic 12, my new tires 🛞 got messed on the inside side because of Scotty thank you very much
Rotating from Front to Back is necessary for tread longevity due to one of the axles being the pull axle unless you have a constant 4 wheel drive vehicle. Also always check front tread to make sure the front end is aligned.
Front tires are doing all the turning and pulling it would be logical to rotate the tires
@@user-bv7jc That is stupid. Don't rotate. Drive tires will always wear faster. Just buy new front wheel tires when they wear out. You are just moving the problem by now having worn rear tires. Are you going to start rotating brake rotors and strut mounts too!
Even with AWD power isn't put down evenly most of the time. I've had cars with a front a rear bias. But I've also never had my ties rotated and my daily drivers for the last 5 years have been AWD.
You just need to replace front tires more frequently.
I am sorry people, I rotate my tires front to rear because the right front tire wears out the fastest on all cars.
Rotating main purpose is for when the driving wheels wear more than the trailing wheels. It happens on all cars. Rotate when your driving tires are 1/32nd-2/32nd lower than trailing ones.
Wow. I called and scheduled an oil change 2 days ago. I asked for cost of tire rotation. I declined when he said $12. Feing cheap, today I search for tire rotation and saw this guys name, clicked out of familiarity. Glad I did. I won't be changing my tires today ... thanks
I never waste money rotating tires since I rotate them myself. Rotating tires s essential to getting long life out of a set of four. Just observing your tire wear can motivate you to rotate. You can observe the front end tires wearing faster than the rear. I'm amazed that you are saying this, Scotty.
The tyres rotate all by themselves. We even had a song about it in primary school. "The wheels on the bus go round and round"
Lol. Wtf? Really? Round? And again ROUND?! 😳🥲
hahahaha damn...
I remember singing that song. I thought it was wagon wheels 🤔
Got it, no rotating tires, I won't drive my car from now on! They get worn by rotating too much. Engine wears out, mileage goes up. No more driving!
Well yes but actually no
don't forget to breathe, genius
😂
@adamgreenhill110 🤔 Feel your pain.. but I still need my vehicle for work. I compromised I put the truck on a Vegan diet... bio fuel!👍
For the amount of driving that Scotty has said he does, his tires probably need replacement about the same time they need to be rotated.
There's nothing special about newer cars that negates the benefits of rotation. Being that so many are AWD now I'd argue rotations are more beneficial than ever
My front tires wear quicker than the rears. I always rotate front to rear at least once to even out the tire wear.
Discount Tire charges nothing for rotations.
They inspect and check the tires in doing rotations anyway.
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I do not like how they rotate them though. Only front to back/back to front. They never cross so the wear is always on the same side. Might be picky but once I realized that I've started doing rotations myself.
They rotate them to look for wear or anomalies to upsell you on more tires. Why would a tire shop selling tires give rip about saving you money?
@@kingleonidas4296 Cause we care. We want their tires to last longer so that they get full satisfaction out of their purchase. 👍👍
@@kave9482 whatever you have to tell yourself. Just because you work at a tire shop doesn’t mean you have experience driving millions of miles without ever rotating them like truckers or other high mileage professionals. You are just convinced by the gimmick of needing to rotate tires.
You got me. When was the last time you had an alignment? Exactly, the front tires will definitely wear out before the rear. Rotating them makes them last longer by evening out the wear.
With FWD car, tyre rotation really helps to wear the tyres evenly. If you don't want to pay for labor, you can DIY it at home.
Front tires wear out the shoulders more quickly because they are turning and taking bends more sharply.
Definitely rotate your tires. Many places do it for free.
He addressed this in his pinned comments. If your tyres are worn out you need to replace them not rotate them.
@JustinDAMusic replace what?? Just two of them? Cuz I'm constantly having to rotate my tires due to the front wearing down so fast.
Dango026 If you rotate them, you’ll be replacing 4 tires sooner than if you just replaced the 2 front tires after they’re worn out.
@Ratlins9 and then you'll have even more uneven wear because now your running 2 oldies with 2 newbs
then your old two tires are going to dry rot@@Ratlins9
If you have AWD, you probably should rotate them. I go to Discount Tire and they rotate them for free, even if you did not buy them there.
How do they make $?
Selling tires and install dummy, free services get customers in the door and builds loyalty.
If you have AWD you were hustled
@@dwaynejones1555They charge you to balance them
@@rosslefave5877 Nope. AWD is a good system for lots of people.
If you are still really concerned about it, Discount Tire will rotate them for free. I get mine rotated after every oil change
I rotate my tires every time I drive somewhere lol works great for me
Front tires always wear unevenly. Alignments don’t stay perfect forever. Rotating at least once through the life of the tire is going to prevent the front two from needing replaced 10,000 miles early. It isn’t hard to do yourself for free though.
I order tires online. What is a tire salesman in 2023?
If I don't rotate my tires my car would stay in the same spot.
I love Mr. kilmer. He such a God send for us that have to take care of other things first but are scared into doing meaningless things quick just to get easy money. If you treat my car and pockets right I'll always come back.
It's OK to rotate periodically because the front tires take on more wear since it's carrying the majority of the vehicle weight which includes the engine!! I definitely rotate my tires when the tread depth gets lower on the front vs back!!
Then your back end slides in the winter
it isnt the weight, its the fact that your car is FRONT wheel drive. The fact that everytime you slam the gas the first thing to start digging into the asphalt is your front tires, and the back tires are just there for the ride
@@gloomweed318 I've never owned a front wheel drive vehicle. If the front tires are carrying double the weight as the rear, they will most definitely wear down more than the rear.
Sure, maybe rotate every 15,000 to 20,000 miles and not every 5,000 miles.
@Sanjay Gandhi it all depends on your wear. I don't keep track f every time I've rotated a set of tires but I'm assuming I've done it at least 6 times on a set with 50,000mi end life.
It does make your tires last longer. If you have a car that never rotated their tires and a car that has rotated their tires, the one with the rotated tires will obviously have longer life. There have been many proven examples of this no matter if it's AWD, FWD, OR 4WD.
Not necessarily. It depends on the pattern of your tire too. Some are NOT the same mirrored, while other tires are. Then you also have tow in and tow out as well as camber angle. If your alignment is perfect, and your tire pattern is the same regardless of direction it spins, then you have perfect tires that do not need to be rotated.
@@gloomweed318 Still doesn't change the fact that the tires will last longer than if they were never rotated.
If Scotty was ever on traffic duty at a cross roads there’d be the worlds’ biggest pile up 😂. Good on yer Scotty, we just love you as you are.
It probably depends a lot on the car. On my FWD, I rotate my tires once a year, back tires onto the front, right before winter. This gives me the best tread for the weather. The only other time i rotate is towards the end of the tire life. Where i pick the two best tires and move them to the front. 3 sets of tires all lasted over the rated miles.
As a tire salesman I say thank you!! Go ahead don’t rotate your $1,000 or more tires we don’t care!! See u in 20-25,000 miles for a new set!!
Lol as a tire salesman shouldn’t you be going to your tire shops trying to convince your them not to rotate if it allows you to sell more tires. Almost seems like the tire rotation is a gimmick to get the customer to keep coming back because they are somehow convinced it does any good, when rotating does nothing but waste time and money for the customer.
@@kingleonidas4296false. What tires wear out faster when you accelerate? But yeah, go ahead don't rotate your tires. You probably lease anyway. Lol
@@kingleonidas4296yep, you’re clueless.
@@kingleonidas4296Tires need to be rotated mostly because in front wheel drive vehicles the additional weight and force of the tires being driven by the engine cause them to wear faster than the rears. Rotating solves
That problem.
@@jerrycooper2306and if you don't you instead drive until the drive wheels are worn out and buy 2 new tires, which you put on the rear axle, and the old but not worn out ones in the front. And then you keep driving until you need to change the other 2.
Though yes, it's probably better to have even wear, and on some 4wd systems it's not really recommended to not change all 4 at the same time for technical reasons.
I agree, but I will sometimes take advantage of the complimentary rotation my dealership offers.
Same but when i go out to restaurants. I'll let them rinse my ice cubes before they pour them into my glass of water.
@@sexysputnik 😂😂😂
@@sexysputnik 🐴👌
But do they really even rotate the tire's... They know it's a scam , but they make it seem like they did you a favor or special discount.
Usually is free when you get an oil change.
I also stopped after I took my MK7 GTI for rotation and wheel alignment and results came and it showed I actually never needed. When i asked the guy, he said I still need to pay although there was no issue. The car was never the same after that.
On my next car, I never rotated or did wheel alignment and I have had it for 8 years with no issues.
If you never rotate your tires, you will end up always replacing them in pairs, and (depending on how much you drive) you may have 2 tires that are significantly older and less sticky compared to fresh ones. It just makes sense to keep your tires wearing at the same rate so you can finish them all at once and get a matching new set of four when the time comes.
If you get tires are Walmart, Lifetime Balance and Rotation is added into the service, so you can rotate them for life.
I’d rather light my car on fire than take it to Walmart
@@russscott6907 That's a fair point.
You can also get lifetime tire rotation at discount tire and they actually know what they are doing.
@@nicb.1411they don't exist near me
Rotating tires is absolutely important.
In the old days when BMW made great cars 1980s the book said buy new tire and leave it alone. Worked for only 50,000 miles or so.
8 years. 8900 lifted 4x4. No rotation. Perfect wear all the way around. Because the trucks not broken.
@@buysncharge You have a unicorn.
I went 25k miles without rotating tires on my 2018 dually and fronts were so unevenly worn I ended up buying 2 new ones.
@@ajs96350 you probably have issues with you mr front end then. I have driven close to one million miles in company provided 1/2 and 3/4 ton trucks. Never rotated and always even wear throughout.
@@kingleonidas4296you are full of it. There is no way the front end didnt wear faster unless you didn’t turn.
Thanks Scotty, that explains why my Honda Odyssey had a rear tire that was for some odd reason flat on one side of the tire but inflated on the other. Made the car bump up and down as well.
I’m a shop owner and your right for the most part but some tires with aggressive or mud and snow thread designs need to be periodically rotated as per appearance of cupping/ heal and toe wear patterns in order to get the most out of them. You are correct in that most may never need rotation and just like all the flushing of fluids is totally unnecessary. I’m an independent and it sickens me to hear of all the wasted money stolen from customers by promoting services that benefit no one. The manufacturers never use the word “flush” yet even dealers make fortunes off of fearing people into thinking these services are necessary. Thank You for informing the public of the scams in the auto industry, your very much needed in today’s world !
Scotty is the car dad we didn't have. Thanks 👍
But he’s wrong about a lot of things
@@joewilson1522 He's the car uncle that we did have.
he is pretty much 100% wrong in this case tho. rotate your tires.
He's wrong about this
I'm in AZ. They will dry rot from the heat way before they actually wear out.
I'm from the hottest part of Arizona and your statement is not true.
Yea, from Florida, if it's kept in the sun, sidewalls will probably rot out before you reach your tire mileage if you just drive to work.
I’m from Vineland nj and your statement is so true
Yeah I'm an auto tech in central phoenix, your statement is definitely false lol
I am from Canada and 😅you are all…full of hot air😅
Good to hear Scotty..
I Never rotate mines either
If ya hate wasting money, then why are you buying new tires every 15,000 miles cause your not rotating them?
Most all modern cars has almost no alignment adjustment so best to rotate to help the different front/rear wear.
Right... That's what I was thinking.
I agree on that I rotate every other oil change to get the most life out of them cuz the Weight on the engine sits on the front most of it
That's not true at all. All cars have a toe adjustment, but for camber and caster it usually requires that you install an adjustable kit
I did not say no adjustment, I said almost no adjustment. The rear end pretty much is non adjustable. Front end barely has toe, very small degree. Camber and caster non. So my statement is still true. Now there are a very small number of cars like a Miata that has all those adjustments and to a very large degree but that is an exception to the norm, an outlier.
Sorry Scotty, but you are wrong on this. Tires need to be rotated/balanced between 6000-7500 miles. Especially on a front wheel drive vehicle. I was a mechanic for 38 years, with 28 yrs. being in the tire business.
I bet you are in the tire business🤔🌱
@@ermacjones4821 Not anymore. Retired 2 1/2 yrs. ago.
The 2018 Honda I drive shows really no wear after two years of driving almost. I've had car that burned through tires really fast and it just had too many issues for me to fix so I drove it until it was completely broken and in the junkyard. Seeing those tires with the odd Wear patterns brought back memories of burned rubber and burned money.
I think he means to not pay to have your directional tires swapped to the other side, not rotating front to back. Rotating front to back can be a good idea to level out the wear because of the fact that the front is way heavier than the rear, and so the front may wear a little faster.
Maybe your statement is correct. He probably should have specified when he says “rotate”.
Only thing that makes sense. 👍
In the UK I lived in a city with a lot of roundabouts. I did get a lot of uneven left-to-right wear there but otherwise, it's pretty even.
Rotating front to back would be… wait for it… a tire rotation. 🤦♂️
Theres even cars nowadays that will throw abs/tcs lights if you have uneven tire treads. Wtf, scotty?!
Im so sick to death of all those damn lights!
My damn grandma....."mY lIghT iS On, mY LighT Is oN"
Ele . Geez! Dame tire light will chut tf off in a sec !
I literally hate damn newer cars
All it is , is $$$$$$$ and scaring the old
@@Thatsright-tr2ks set the tire pressure when the tires are cold to what it says on the driver door seal. Or if it's hot go about 4 psi above what the door seal says.
@@Thatsright-tr2ks and yes, new cars have a lot of computers, and they're very expensive.
I rotate my tires when I buy them. Turns out I am onto something.
Ironically I figured out with my tires that you often save more money with not rotating your tires and then making sure you remind the sales guy about the tire warranty when replacing them… it sounds ridiculous, but… so what if you have to change a 60k warranty tires at 40k? You’ll get 33% of your money back. It’s kind of like leasing your tire as long as they’re wearing evenly.
I never do that, I just buy new tires when they wear out.
They rotate the tires and do the alignment at that time anyway if I'm correct
If you buy from Discount, they'll do lifetime rotations for free and they'll end up lasting longer too.
@@texasfan8892 I think they last the same
My front tires on my 2WD are terribly worn, but the back ones are still great.
Replace them.
I totally disagree, it doesn’t matter what kind of vehicle you have, front wheel drive, rear wheel drive, Dual wheeled truck, all the tires need to be rotated. Front tires do a completely different job than the back tires and they need to swap positions every 6000-8000 miles to keep them wearing evenly. it’s just part of vehicle maintenance, kind of like oil and filter changes.
Sorry, Scotty got this one wrong.
Try swapping front to rear with a staggered set up!! Won't work.
If I see my tires wearing out in the front more than back then I rotate so they all wear out at the same time before I get 4 new ones. Maybe one rotation to get my money's worth
Rotating tires may save you some times from changing tires early specially in front wheel or rear wheel as due to weight distribution a long the car will make it wear differently