Given it's from the third century and from Dacia (modern Transilvania-ish), he was probably one of those upstart general emperors of the crisis of the third century. These stories generally go like this - upon winning a few victories against the ever-encroaching tribes, he likely won the support of his men, who could have proclaimed that he should be emperor. He likely got big ideas like other cases from the time, proclaimed himself emperor or was a puppet, minted coins and was either assassinated or crushed after a few months. The probability is that he was one of many of these upstarts, but only further research will tell if he was something special. Still exciting to uncover hitherto unknown ancient history.
Considering Romans evacuated Dacia during this period, he could have been a local legate/commander who objected to abandoning the province and declared himself emperor in order to take control of other roman settlers who made decisions to stay in Dacia.
@@fiendshikim maybe, but I lean toward the more cynical view of him. Really we are just punting hypotheses around in the absence of evidence. We need to wait for more info to make any definitive conclusions.
@@ricknaughty1016 except Dacia was abandoned during the time the coin was likely minted. The coin also doesn't claim that Sponsian (the Dacian general on the coin) is an emperor or Augusti/Augustus; it is instead inscribed IMP, impair. a kind of halfway thing (maybe, imperator or victorious general). So, a pretender or usurper general, looking to become an or the emperor who illegally minted coins in the 3rd century AD, in the cut-off/abandoned Dacian Provence, in a time where this type of thing happened all the time? We have some more information about the coin. The metal gold for the coin seems to be comparable to other metal from 1st-century AD Dacian gold products, and so may have been reused, although there were gold mines in Dacia. There was a coin mint in Dacia from around 240-250AD, but the coin was cast (unusual as coins officially minted were stamped), but after 260AD there were goldsmiths who cast metal in the area. Furthermore, the coin on the Reverse side shows an old 1st-century BC republican design, but the obverse has imperial imagery with IMP and Sponsian. So we have a confusing coin that shows republican and imperial imagery, putting it in the imperial period in Dacia (conquered by Trajan in the 2nd century AD), using Dacian gold but minted by casting close to goldsmiths after 260AD placing the coin around that later date, around the time Emperor Galianus pulled 2 legions from Dacia, effectively cutting the province lose. This is just a Synopsis, with a few additions of my own, of a vid by Romaboo Ramblings, who did quite a bit more digging on this than me, and also presents a proposed scenario for the coin's creation using the evidence available so check that out th-cam.com/video/NQX5SPiwpkA/w-d-xo.html
As some others have commented here: he may have called himself "Emperor". But there were any number of such military commanders at this time who did so. It was period of extreme chaos, with 25 "official" emperors during this 50 year period. And that number is debated, even by historians. Calling this guy "a forgotten Roman Emperor" is really stretching it. He was probably just a local military commander. With no power beyond his local region. Or maybe even beyond his local military barracks. Many of these so-called "Emperors" from this time, had "reigns" that lasted only a few months. Some only a few weeks. Before they got bumped-off.
but still, if he minted his own coins he must have ruled at least a bit longer than others. And if he was only a regional commander it is still highly interesting for the respective region Dacia/Pannonia, where we have very little historic evidence from this time. It is still debated with a lot of emotions how and why the Roman rule in Dacia enden and what of the Roman presence there remained after the province was given up under Aurelian. This is an integral question to today's Romanian self definition. And this coin and the related story is an important puzzle stone.
“a forgotten Roman *usurper* to the position of Emperor” would have been far more accurate, as this man would have simply been the local military commander over the province of Dacia. The written sources we have dont even mention a Dacian revolt, nor is there any physical evidence of one. This suggests that even if this guy claimed to be Emperor and minted his own coins, it was probably only for a few months at most before every legion nearby converged on him and took him out as other generals sought to gain favor with the current regime and build up their own power and influence for their own potential usurpation attempt.
If every Emperor is a usurper, then that would mean that Rome lacked a legitimate head of state for over 500 years. At least for the Princeps period, there actually was a formal process fo legitimize Emperors (the Senate would declare them “Augustus” and grant the individual all the other titles they had given to Octavian). It’s only when you get to Diocletian onwards that I personally would feel comfortable entertaining the notion that every emperor was a usurper, cause after Diocletian cut out the Senate once and for all, they really were all essentially making it up as they went.
@@MMajor13 this is from Dacia exactly from Transylvania where the Romans got all the gold they needed and more , so they ordered gold coins as they want with their image more they need , just for luxury life they can have in Dacia!
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There were self-declared “emperors” that lasted literal days and held only limited local control in the 3rd century. Another “emperor”, Silbannacus, is only known from two coins found in France.
The coin would have been in the former Roman province of Dacia in what is today modern day Romanian Transylvania. During his life time the Roman Empire is in a crisis called the Crisis of the Third Century or the modernly known as the “Military Anarchy”. It was a time of chaos where plagues struck provinces, barbarians hordes rampaging throughout the empire, a time of economic crisis (hyperinflation from production of coins), a time were two regions proclaimed their own independent empires (Roman Gallic Empire in France, and the Empire of Palmyra in the middle from Egypt to south Turkey) for Rome this was also a time where military strong were proclaimed “solider emperors” by their legions of loyal soldiers. These so called emperors vive to take the imperial purple while fighting other people who wanted to control the empire. This man could possibly be one of the many solider emperors who probably was a commander of frontier of Dacia who maybe won a lot of military victories fighting the barbarians that he was proclaimed emperor by his own soldiers and governed Dacia as his own personal province where artisans were ordered to production coinage with this emperors face. This is just my theory but it’s cool that more history of the Crisis of the Third Century is being uncovered. It’s a crossroad where the ancient world began to transcend the medieval world.
Well on the part "He was proclaimed Emperor by his own soldiers and governed Dacia as his own personal province" is where you lost me. If he governed Dacia Traiana on his own before the Roman withdrawal of 275 A.D? How could Aurelian order the two Legions to withdrawal if he wasn't the one making the orders? Sponsian could have been a Centurion of an Auxiliary unit stationed in Dacia Traiana, after 275 A.D he proclaimed himself "Imperator" of the region and its last remaining Auxiliaries and that's after the withdrawal, one of the reasons he proclaimed himself "Imperator" and not Caesar as usurpers usually did. He maybe lost a battle against the Gepids which he either was killed in action or he was killed by his own men and that was the end of Dacia Traiana.
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I always assumed details in all the Roman emperor were logged as they had good records didn't they? It seems fascinating that someone managed to be important and well known enough for the image to validate a coin, but not recorded anywhere. Who else is there to find out about!
The romans had a practice called "Damnatio memoriae" in which they actively removed all evidence from thier records of a persons. It was usually used against usurpers which would make sense in this case.
He was a usurper emperor who never fully reigned in his own right - most people think he was active in either Dacia or Pannonia. Plus, this was for less than a year and during the Crisis of the Third Century
2:11 Correction: it's now Romania, Transylvania ia a region of Romania. Back then it was part of Roman Dacia that also was made up of Wallachia and parts of Moldova, so not just Transylvania.
@@Chaldon-hl6yk What? You know where Sarmizegetusa was? In Hundeoara County, in Trasylvania on border with Wallachia. It's possible after the Roman Retreat in 275 some Dacian went North ntil they reached Denmark and Sweden, South Scandinavia. If you look at the traditional clothes, like ie, they look very similar.
@@Chaldon-hl6yk No, Dacia is in Romania. How it it legends when we have historical documents talking about the Danube, Moesia (that are in Romania's territory of today) also artifacts, jewelry, coins etc etc. Stop spreading lies. You're just a Romanian hater. As for Scandinavia, it didn't have any people until about 2000 years ago, just in the South of Scandinavia. Daco-Thracians together with the Greeks are the oldest European civilizations. Fyi, around 4000 B.C.-Eastern Europe begins to use gold to decorate objects: The oldest gold artifacts in the world are from Bulgaria and are dating back to the 5th millennium BC (4,600 BC to 4,200 BC), such as those found in the Varna Necropolis near Lake Varna and the Black Sea coast, thought to be the earliest "well-dated" finding of gold artifacts in history. So pretty much shows Thracians are at least 6,600 years old, they already had a highly advanced civilization that produced fine jewelry and art made of gold.
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My guess is Sponsian was one of numerous other generals who claimed title of Emperor as the eastern portion Roman Empire started to fall apart due to encroaching tribes in whats now south Eastern Europe (3rd century Crisis).
@@alfredodistefanolaulhe2212 that's what I was thinking, he was a usurper. That era had many as the empire plunged into chaos. It is believed that Sponsian was active in the 240s AD.
It’s possible that this person was a warlord who proclaimed himself as emperor. There’s this point in history called the Crisis of the Third Century where the Roman Empire was being shattered and split into smaller countries, kingdoms, and empires due to constant infighting and threats of war from barbarians. The warlord could’ve been a garrison commander in the Dacia region who probably defected and those loyal to him saw him as their own emperor. Warlords throughout history used to raise massive armies and fought with other warlords to usurp the throne.
Too streched . 271-273 emperor Aurelian retreats from Dacia . No local emperor before retreat , no smaller countries formed after retreat . The Romans had a pact with the Gepids to take over the territories and to defended them against other invaders - mostly free Dacians, Sarmats , Gots and Alans . South of Danube , the Romans form two other Dacias and the Danube remain the frontier of the Empire until the arrival of the Slavs . Dacia was an apendix , hard to defend for the Empire . So no local warlord have been ever an emperor , but it was the age of Soldier Roman Emperors , most of them from Thracia, Illyria .
Coins, especially gold, weren't made to a standard back then. The technology they had didn't produce uniform, circular coins. Each one was unique in some way. We know this, and yet still thought it was a fake for this reason?
People who don't understand how he wouldn't be in the history books we literally only have one book covering this time period the historia augusta written 60 years after these events and highly unreliable.
I wanna think this guy was actually declared emperor for like 5 minutes by his legion then immediately got ambushed by Germans on the way back to Rome and the one guy who survived made some coins in his honor
Transylvania is a Romanian province pretty much like Cornwall or Cumbria in England. Hence the coins were found in ROMANIA. BBC should represent correctly the facts. Romanians were denied for far too long their latin ascendence by various powers. Now they find old roman and dacian settlements everywhere they dig for a highway or any large infrastructure projects. All over the place. It's clear that Romanians are not welcomed in UK and Brexit told them that clearly but for the sake of a decent reporting just be honest and straight. Speak the truth.
Successive Roman leaders also had a penchant for removing their rivals from Roman history. Many or most of these coins may have been melted and re-minted.
Yeah except it sounds like this guy was at best a governor of a back water province on the extreme fringe of the Roman empire, not an Emperor. So he was probably more of an insignificant portion of history that got lost.
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This is so cool, shows how history is an ever changing and dynamic field of research and discovery. I wonder what other secrets from the past we have yet to discover!
I hope more stuff can be found about about Sponsian. Some emperors of the crisis of the third century weren’t written down in the records, so we only have coinage to know about them. I think Sponsian was a usurper with short term success. When I say short, I mean maybe a month max. Similar to the obscure Silbannacus, We will only know of him through coinage. Let’s hope that we will find out more about this forgotten emperor.
Valerian, Gallienus, Claudius Gothicus, The Man Himself Aurelian, Probus and Diocletian. All emperors I am familiar with regarding the crisis of the third century.
And then Diocletian implemented a tetrarchy whereby Maximian was chosen as the other emperor (Diocletian and Maximian were also known as the augusti) and two caesars, Constantius and Galerius, were subsequently picked by their superiors, Diocletian and Maximian.
Calling himself an "emperor" looks grandiose to us, but the Romans still had the taboo against kings from the foundation of the republic. It was not until barbarians like Odoacer and Theodoric that there was a "King of Rome" again. That's why his men did not call him "King of Dacia."
There have been a couple of 'false emperors' in history as well, people who claimed that they were the legal pretenders to the throne. In the roman empire a whole bunch of pseudo-nero's for instance.
Wow! Probably 250ad - 400ad. It depends on the gold content of the coin. We can make a guess of the possible time eras based on how diluted the coin is. Bullion was used to pay taxes during the Roman Empire devaluation of it's gold coins. Bullion was pure. Gold coins were not. There is a lot of missing data from the Roman Empire. Although the Roman Empire was advanced for it's time, there are missing receipts of price of bread from decade to decade. A lot of data is missing on a lot of items. Historical data is very useful to study long term cycles. With missing data, we can only approximate.
The one shown here is clearly crisis of the 3rd century, but the other side uses what appears to be a motif from the Republican era. Then the other coins looks like archaic Greek coins. They are a total mess and still dubious imo even with the "science" behind them.
I am an historian of Rome he was probably around during the 250s or 60s when Rome was collapsing under the crises of the third century many usurpers declared against the real emperor in Rome. If this is a lost emperor and in gold it will be priceless Gold Aurei coins of this period are very expensive a usurper will be huge price if it ever came up for sale. The gold Aureus is always an expensive coin anyway but this period especially so. Another usurper of that period is Uranus Antoninus whos coins are mostly Gold Aurei. Hope they find more about this man he had a role in Roman history that should be known more about.
The crudeness of the design of the coin was a trend in all Roman art work in the late empire. Busts and coins of that time period were much more crude then those in the late republic and early empire.
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I notice this with historians where they will never believe in any figure in history and just write them off as many people or that they just never existed and I find it weird as hell sense many will turn out to be real such as Romulus and Solomon
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This new information is interesting and valuable, but it doesn't definitively answer all the questions about this coin. The coin has been rejected as a fake historically because it has so many features that are inconsistent with any other roman coin from that era. - The front design isn't a Roman design - The back design copies a design on a roman coin from 135BC - The coin is the wrong weight - The coin was cast rather than stamped The new evidence shows that the coin was carried around with other coins long enough to get scratched and that it was buried in the ground for at least a few hundred years. But neither of those things creates a definitive case for the coin.
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No, when you say something is a fake, it usually means that they are *not* an ancient relic, but a recent forgery. The fact that this guy wasn't *actually* an official Emperor of the Roman Empire is obvious (bc there are no records of him). But the point is, the coins *are* actually from that time & someone *did* want to usurp power, declaring themselves Emperor or ruler of the region & making these coins. This *matters* historically, bc it pieces together what happened in that time in roman-ruled Dacia. If these coins were in circulation, it means they are *actual* coins, not forgeries - irrespective of whether they were recognized (or even known about in Rome, or not). *It also* proves that the region of Transylvania was indeed romanized by the end of the 3rd century, and part of the areal that gave rise to modern Romanians, as a people. Weakening for example, Hungarian claims that the region was uninhabitted when they arrived and whoever had lived there prior wasn't romanized and had no connection to Romanians. So *no,* for all intents and purposes these are not "fakes" but very much historical, authentic relics.
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@@David-qi1ys Its probably also worth noting that the single expert consulted is a professor of Earth Sciences with no expertise in coins, archeology, Rome or history. He isn't really an expert on the issues related to authenticating the coins. He simply presented some additional information.
Maybe he was a Legatus, brazen and drunk on himself enough to self proclaim emperor of the east, and powerful enough to enforce that position, even ordering circulation of actual currency of himself…until he was exposed and erased, along with (clearly almost) all traces of him.
I bet metal detecting in Transylvania would be interesting, risk of WW1/WW2 debris aside, and I wonder how common it is. The must be a considerable amount of stuff like this yet undiscovered that could fundamentally change our understanding of European history.
well i dont understand british history ,because the romans say they were driven off the island of britain in the year 81, its recorded that a british king kerry drove them into the sea and the roman leader was taken back to rome and put to death ,, and in the harian 3859 in the british museum its recorded that these emperors were not roman but british kings and in the treodd ynys prydain [triads of the island of britain ] that in the year 382 the british invaded rome and the roman emperor at the time was caught and beheaded , in southern france , so something is wrong here and i find it very strange to , because the bbc would have us believe that the native britons didnt leave a carbon foot print every thing is roman saxon or norman , but i feel its neither most of it is british and it seems our true history is being kept from us and i cant work out why
There is so much material that is currently inaccessible simply because it is largely unpublished or known to just a few people. I'd wager that the answers, or at least solid clues, to many historic riddles and questions are waiting to be found in archives, storage rooms, etc, all over the world. This is just another example of why digitization and extensive publication that is widely and freely accessible is so important.
Imp. (Imperator) does not mean emperor. And imperator was for all intents and purposes, a highly regarded and successful general. It is the root word of 'emperor' but the actual "emperors" of the Romans were always referred to as "Caesar" "Augustus" or "princeps". They didn't call their emperor's "emperor".
@@daviddechamplain5718 yup. However it is fully possible that he was declared Caesar Augustus but the people in this video are jumping to conclusions. This coin is also from the 3rd century so it's likely it originated during the crisis of the 3rd century when literally everyone and their grandma was declaring themselves emperor.
I would like to know more about the other coins found with it back in 1717, not convinced it is real even after the exam. That being said, SPONSIAN is not actually claiming an imperial title with this coin, simply IMP...commander. The odd thing about this is the radiate crown, it indicates this is a double aureus or a Binio so it should weigh around 5.5-6 grams and looking at the images it does look like a double. The style of the observes would be accurate but the reverse is strange. A Binio would be extremely rare denomination so there may be a matching contemporary reverse die that hasn't been seen before but in the examples of the period, they match the aureus/Antonini types.
Addition, I found a picture of the obverse of all 4 coins. All 4 are barbarous with issues that would be easy to declare all fakes. The 2 Phillip coins were 100% struck with the same die. Scenario 1, coins were made in 1700 for the antiquarian market from someone with a small collection of reference coins...some republican denarius and a couple of Gordian and Phillipus Ants. Sponsian is a barbarous copy of the Phillipus Ant image of the emperor with a common repubican style title with made up name and copy of the republican denarius reverse. The Gordian is a barbarous copy of the Gordian ant. The Phillipus coins use the republican Roma personifican of the republican denarius instead of the image of phillipus but still use the phillipus titles. Scenario 2: Coins are the product of a local Roman commander who needed to mint coin that was "official" but didn't want to strike in the name of anyone or claim the titles himself so made them in the image of circulating coins that were readily available. I lean toward 1700 fakes.
There are documented coins from the hoard with the emperors Philip the Arab and Gordian III. Documented in the sense that they travelled with the Sponsian to its current destination. But I dont think there is alot of good information on the discovery or the contents of the original coin horde at all. The coin has been considered fake because of a long list of issues: 1) The face of the coin doesn't follow any normal Roman practices of the time. 2) The reverse of the coin features a copy of a Roman coin struck in 135 BC 3) It weights 10.02 grams which is a rather strange weight 4) The coin is cast rather than stamped The coin just doesn't fit any of the expectations for a Coin from that era. One can't deny the new information that it was carried with other coins to the point where its scratched and that it was buried in the ground for at least several hundred years. But there is much about the coin that still defies a simple explanation.
@@Jim-Tuner I found the other coins with it or at least the obverses. They have problems and are not regular mint issues. See my second post where I describe the likely scenario of creation.
@@Jim-Tuner It does appear to be cast. The weight isn't crazy if it is a Binio (double aureus) as indicated by the radiate crown. How ever, I still lean to 1700 fake. When you see the other coins with it, you can paint the story of the maker. It is highly unlikely that a natural horde would have two coins struck with the same die (or use the same mold). All the coins have siginificant problems. Its is easy to see why declared fakes in the past.
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A whole lot of people in these comments are calling him a usurper, or just proclaimed emperor in one province. We have no idea that is true. There are gaps of many years during the Crisis where we think we know who controlled Rome, Mediolanum, but we have no idea who was in control of what parts of much of the empire for large periods of time. This is especially true of the early part of the period, before the "big names" of the Crisis start to show up in the 250's or so. Given the period, and the finding in Transylvania, we can assume the legions in the area were running on this gold coin, but might he have also held Greece, held all of Dacia and Moesia and the Bosporus? Hell, for all we know for numerous gaps, he could have controlled most of the empire east of Italy. The fact this is clearly a coin printed with care, but NOT with the usual skill of most Imperial mints, it is entirely possible he held a chunk of the East, Pannonia and Dacia, Thracia. Most frequently, as happened with Diocletian, numerous of the Barracks Emperors, and later with Licinius and Maximinus Daia, when one of these emperors was declared, they took the Danube region, or Anatolia, or the Rhine frontier and Gaul. Most were not just in control of a single province, but numerous. They were acting less like small kings, and more like Emperors. Drawing armies from multiple provinces, of many people, marching to take or defend with tens of thousands of men.
@PdoPtr also the magyars - "De terra ultra siluana Et dum ibi diutius morarentur, tunc tuhutum pater horca sicut erat uir astutus dum cepisset audire ab incolis, bonitatem terre ultra siluane, ubi Gelou quidam blacus dominium tenebat. Cepit ad hoc hanelare quod si posse esset, per gratiam ducis Arpad domini sui terram ultra siluanam sibi et suis posteris acquireret." blacus(lat) - vlahu(ro) - wallachian(eng)
I'd lay odds that this Sponsian character tried his luck as emperor during the reign of Gallienus. There were so many would-be usurpers during his reign, that this guy sort of fits in to the trend.
Ya, according to the super smart experts, the emperor that never was. A better story is on how absolutely insane it is to listen to experts. They dont know anything.
Even a culture with a very good written and artefact history can lose all records over time, let alone the cultures that had no written language and built very little.
Typically when an ancient coin has a surface that is porous it is in more commonly seen in certain metals Silver, Brass, Bronze. The metallurgy and standard of the time making these metals of less purity. Authentic ancient examples that are struck typically have more uniform surfaces. This AU piece has a very pitted surface which to most observers would indicate a cast coin. The pitting a result of bubbles in the molten metal. Roman mints used dies to Strike coins, these struck coins have a distinct look under magnification that easy illustrates that the metal was pushed and pulled into the dies creating the imagery and design. Stretching of the metal causing striated movements around devices such as portraiture and lettering. Despite the primitive artistic aesthetic of the portrait and seemingly jumbled design on the reverse it could be a result of the creators limited knowledge of coinage this piece was created.
Good story, and great forensic work, but Sponsianus is not new. A coin of his is listed in David L. Vagi's, 2-volume 'Coinage and History of the Roman Empire', 1999. This is ongoing scholarship.,
If someone was going to put all that money and effort into making a fake coin why would they put an "unknown" persons bust on it?? Why not create a "fake" known coin? I would have been suspicious too.
Because collectors would have nothing to compare it against. Also rarity = higher value among collectors. Coins of scarce emperors are worth a fortune.
It is a very good point you make and one I thought of as well. Even if it was a "fake coin" (made around that time) and in general circulation (at that time), they would have to match it to similar coins of that era.
The coin was considered fake because 1) The face side was not consistent with other Roman Coins of the era in style 2) The back side was a copy of a roman coin from 135 BC. Even with the new evidence, its still an incredibly odd coin in its construction.
This period of Roman history is the, "I'm Emperor""No, I'm Emperor" era. So... yes. This guy could have been the Roman Emperor of a province or two for, like 3-6 months.
These researchers need to brush up on their linguistics. “Imperator” was also a military title that simply meant “general”, and at time “commander-in-chief”. Which is why Julius Caesar isn’t necessarily an emperor in our sense of the word, yet he still held the title of “imperator”.
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Something wrong with British history, the records say very clearly all Romans were driven off the island of Britain in the year 80 , tatitus Roman historian says the Same thing , he says king ceri longsword high king of Britain drove the Romans into the sea and the governor of Britain was taken to Rome and executed , also I've just read nenius an 7 th century monk who compiled the history of British kings , says a British king called Severus built Hadrians wall , isn't it about time our true history is reintroduced , it's been suppressed for hundreds of years
Nothing s being suppressed. In this news story, additional testing has proven a coin to be genuine, and therefore the emperor it depicts being real. With this additional data, we can now be pretty sure of the facts, and it gets written into our history. The bar for proof is necessarily high, and there is always room for new data to come and rewrite it. This is the very essence of science. That Severus built a wall is not disputed. What is not precisely known is where that wall was. Some say it's Hadrian's Wall, some say the Antonine Wall. The historical record is not precise, and is apparently contradictory. Again, this is how research is done. It's not being suppressed, it just seems that we don't know right now.
@@everhardjones5519 Okay, I now understand I'm communicating with a kook. You're quite mad, you know. Are you sure it wasn't built by being from another planet?
@@MaterLacrymarum look it up then , the truth hurts , your in denial and there no excuse for your ignorance because it's a recorded fact do your research,
@@everhardjones5519 Done my research, everything pointed toward you being a kook. You'd have to be crazy to think Hadrians Wall - and all it represents - was built by a lonely guy in the lat 1800's. I don't know where you're doing your "research", but I'm guessing it was in the form of a cartoon.
I guess what I find interesting mostly about this is that if someone wanted to fake a coin wouldn't they choose to use the likeness of an image of someone everyone knew, to try to make it more real? Why choose an obscure military commander?
The coin was considered fake because 1) The face side was not consistent with other Roman Coins of the era in style 2) The back side was a copy of a roman coin from 135 BC. Nothing about the coin makes much sense. Even assuming its a real coin, it was produced in a cheap and amaturish way not consistent with typical Roman coins of its era.
@@Jim-Tuner Wow, you sound like a person who knows about ancient coins. I only own one, a denarius, and it's not in that good of shape. I like it because it has Biblical presence, as Jesus used it to make a point.
Clearly a leader of part of the Danubian legions before the principate of Aurelian in 270. He was successful enough to mint gold coins to pay his troops. Maybe he had defeated an incursion of the Carpi or the Goths. 1713, wasn't that when the area came under the control of Austria following Prinz Eugens victories over the Turks? As a commander of concentrated legionary forces he had been compelled to lead them to victory over the barbarians, but his very sucess made him a threat to the reigning emperor. Shown here with a radiate crown and the title 'imperator' he had been driven to claim the imperial purple and to mint plundered gold into coinage to pay his legions. It all fits an oft repeated pattern, in the age of sixty tyrants. Incidentally the part of modern Rumania which was Roman Dacia seems centred in the hills of Transylvania, where Hungarian people lived, not in the plains of Wallachia or Moldavia. The Latin speaking Vlachs do not appear in the area until maybe the thirteenth century giving rise to the plausible hypothesis the descend from Romani evacuated accross the Danube into Moesia, which the Empire renamed Dacia, then returned north centuries later as the southern Slavs left empty the land of Wallachia. Had they remained north of the Danube they would have been subject to the Eastern empire, which spoke Greek, not latin
It was not all that common but contestants to become emperor would sometimes get ahead of the game and publish their own coins before they became emperor. The coins would of circulated in their areas of support even though they never became an emperor.
there is some serious issues with this claim... firstly the researchers should not say they think it's wrong that the coins are faked, they should remain impartial until the evidence is analyzed. they clearly claimed the coins are not fake before they did the research and analysis on them which shows they aren't impartial and more likely to come to the conclusion which they already believed. second of all just because the coins had been in a purse does not mean they were in a purse in the 3rd century, they could have been in a purse in 1700's also...
With the amount of AE coinage (esp regularly found uncleaned in fields) in that area, I would have to expect that there would be AE3 and AE4 coins with his resemblance/name on them as well (like many other usurpers) and not just 1 lone gold coin... Also gold coins don't generally pit in my experience, even when buried.
The back of the coin shows depiction of bow hunters in a wheat field, the back side of a horse on the upper left. Just below VO which are Roman numerals for the amount of value to the coin 🪙 🤔
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The science behind this discovery is incredible. And to think that there are so many "science deniers" around these days. Why deny the obvious, or for that matter, the awesome!? Congratulations to the Hunterian on this fantastic finding.
Ehhh. I read some coin collectors opinions about this on the internet and a lot of them seem to think this study is nonsense and the coin as obvious fake as any has ever been. I would take this news with big grain of salt. There almost certainly will be a long dispute about this coin but that will no longer make BBC news.
What on earth has this to do with “science deniers”? Science deniers are merely people who are sceptical about highly politicised issues. They don’t believe that all of science from Isaac Newton thru to Stephen Hawking is bunkum.
On the surface coin collecting seems boring. But the truth is that it captures so much of history. Every coin has a story behind it in my opinion, regardless if it's big or small. Entered the hobby blind a few years ago and no regrets of doing so. Didn't care if it was not common for a person in their 20's.
Went through some coins which have been in my family for over 3 generations, some very badly worn coppers and brass coins which I could not discern even what type of coins they were. Recently used a microscope on one and I could faintly discern some lettering and a bust, after checking the Roman lettering and the faint shape of the bust I found I had a Roman coin from over 2200 years ago! NO, it was not valuable, but was interesting!
So all it takes to prove a coin as authentic is make 50 of them keep shaking the bag for an year for scratches to develop and burry the coins in durt inside a box and leave in ground for an year and dig it out and claim it's original
With no other coins every found of Sponsian and the coins that were found were cast, not stuck, most likely means he was a real person, military commander, perhaps self proclaimed Emperor and was seen as an Emperor by his supports, but he wasn't a Roman Emperor. He didn't have a moneyair, the person that traveled with and struck coins, his coins were cast, in a similar way that ancient counterfeiters made coins.
Given that it is my job to add the same scratches to 'medieval' armour, I would safely forget using the pocket-change scratches as proof of circulation. I must stay in my lane here as this isn't my period, but many objects with similar stories have crossed my path. I have just written a paper on this titled 'Why one should NEVER buy armour from a German dentist!' I don't know any of the academics involved here, so I mean no disrespect, as I am sure they know their onions and then some! But the institutions I have worked with all needed reminding that the faker had a better microscope than they did! 🤫 Best wishes from an Englishman in a French forest, and of course all the mice in the workshop. 🇬🇧⚒️🐀 🐁🐀
@@paper_gem I know, they said that in the video. But that doesn't change anything, in fact given the visual evidence this could be argued this aids the cynical? Perhaps an 18th century coin-collector having a giggle in his attic atelier... Merely an enthusiastic amateur relishing the twisting of the history books... Perhaps even for financial gain? I am not saying this coin is fake, but I can tell you how to make one in twenty minutes using methods that have been widely used since the dawn of time. (Not a single trip to the shops). This technique could also be exactly how they made the coin were it correct as hoped, as it is a conparitively slow method unlike stamping a blank. The isotope reading is an easy hurdle to overcome, though if this was a fake, and I am not saying it is, I would imagine this was a happy accident in this case.
Given it's from the third century and from Dacia (modern Transilvania-ish), he was probably one of those upstart general emperors of the crisis of the third century.
These stories generally go like this - upon winning a few victories against the ever-encroaching tribes, he likely won the support of his men, who could have proclaimed that he should be emperor. He likely got big ideas like other cases from the time, proclaimed himself emperor or was a puppet, minted coins and was either assassinated or crushed after a few months.
The probability is that he was one of many of these upstarts, but only further research will tell if he was something special. Still exciting to uncover hitherto unknown ancient history.
Considering Romans evacuated Dacia during this period, he could have been a local legate/commander who objected to abandoning the province and declared himself emperor in order to take control of other roman settlers who made decisions to stay in Dacia.
@@fiendshikim maybe, but I lean toward the more cynical view of him. Really we are just punting hypotheses around in the absence of evidence. We need to wait for more info to make any definitive conclusions.
@@Roman_Eagle Hypothesis is the first step towards theorizing.
Emperor of the New land they conquered makes sense it's the title and prize u get
@@ricknaughty1016 except Dacia was abandoned during the time the coin was likely minted. The coin also doesn't claim that Sponsian (the Dacian general on the coin) is an emperor or Augusti/Augustus; it is instead inscribed IMP, impair. a kind of halfway thing (maybe, imperator or victorious general). So, a pretender or usurper general, looking to become an or the emperor who illegally minted coins in the 3rd century AD, in the cut-off/abandoned Dacian Provence, in a time where this type of thing happened all the time?
We have some more information about the coin. The metal gold for the coin seems to be comparable to other metal from 1st-century AD Dacian gold products, and so may have been reused, although there were gold mines in Dacia. There was a coin mint in Dacia from around 240-250AD, but the coin was cast (unusual as coins officially minted were stamped), but after 260AD there were goldsmiths who cast metal in the area. Furthermore, the coin on the Reverse side shows an old 1st-century BC republican design, but the obverse has imperial imagery with IMP and Sponsian.
So we have a confusing coin that shows republican and imperial imagery, putting it in the imperial period in Dacia (conquered by Trajan in the 2nd century AD), using Dacian gold but minted by casting close to goldsmiths after 260AD placing the coin around that later date, around the time Emperor Galianus pulled 2 legions from Dacia, effectively cutting the province lose.
This is just a Synopsis, with a few additions of my own, of a vid by Romaboo Ramblings, who did quite a bit more digging on this than me, and also presents a proposed scenario for the coin's creation using the evidence available so check that out
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As some others have commented here: he may have called himself "Emperor". But there were any number of such military commanders at this time who did so. It was period of extreme chaos, with 25 "official" emperors during this 50 year period. And that number is debated, even by historians. Calling this guy "a forgotten Roman Emperor" is really stretching it. He was probably just a local military commander. With no power beyond his local region. Or maybe even beyond his local military barracks. Many of these so-called "Emperors" from this time, had "reigns" that lasted only a few months. Some only a few weeks. Before they got bumped-off.
The guy mented his own coin though.
I would still like to know about him 😎🍻
but still, if he minted his own coins he must have ruled at least a bit longer than others. And if he was only a regional commander it is still highly interesting for the respective region Dacia/Pannonia, where we have very little historic evidence from this time. It is still debated with a lot of emotions how and why the Roman rule in Dacia enden and what of the Roman presence there remained after the province was given up under Aurelian. This is an integral question to today's Romanian self definition. And this coin and the related story is an important puzzle stone.
@@jonkeuviuhc1641 This "Sponsian" had the advantage that, likewise governing Dacia, he had a direct source of gold, hence the coniage.
Sounds like the last few British PM’s 😂
He was probably an emperor over one weekend in the 3rd century, as there were emperors every other day on that time
I can imagination a similar report on Liz Truss in 18 Centuries time.
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@@zm4522 your comment doesnt make any sense. You think I want to be a roman emperor?
@@jerolvilladolid How do you ascertain this?
@@zm4522 are you ok
“a forgotten Roman *usurper* to the position of Emperor” would have been far more accurate, as this man would have simply been the local military commander over the province of Dacia. The written sources we have dont even mention a Dacian revolt, nor is there any physical evidence of one. This suggests that even if this guy claimed to be Emperor and minted his own coins, it was probably only for a few months at most before every legion nearby converged on him and took him out as other generals sought to gain favor with the current regime and build up their own power and influence for their own potential usurpation attempt.
All of these short term gold coins only because they use gold that was abundantly in the region they conquered.
Every Roman Emperor was a usurper. It was a position Cesar was killed for usurping.
If every Emperor is a usurper, then that would mean that Rome lacked a legitimate head of state for over 500 years.
At least for the Princeps period, there actually was a formal process fo legitimize Emperors (the Senate would declare them “Augustus” and grant the individual all the other titles they had given to Octavian). It’s only when you get to Diocletian onwards that I personally would feel comfortable entertaining the notion that every emperor was a usurper, cause after Diocletian cut out the Senate once and for all, they really were all essentially making it up as they went.
@@MMajor13 this is from Dacia exactly from Transylvania where the Romans got all the gold they needed and more , so they ordered gold coins as they want with their image more they need , just for luxury life they can have in Dacia!
Lol the Romanian general tried to steal the Imperium
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There were self-declared “emperors” that lasted literal days and held only limited local control in the 3rd century. Another “emperor”, Silbannacus, is only known from two coins found in France.
The coin would have been in the former Roman province of Dacia in what is today modern day Romanian Transylvania. During his life time the Roman Empire is in a crisis called the Crisis of the Third Century or the modernly known as the “Military Anarchy”. It was a time of chaos where plagues struck provinces, barbarians hordes rampaging throughout the empire, a time of economic crisis (hyperinflation from production of coins), a time were two regions proclaimed their own independent empires (Roman Gallic Empire in France, and the Empire of Palmyra in the middle from Egypt to south Turkey) for Rome this was also a time where military strong were proclaimed “solider emperors” by their legions of loyal soldiers. These so called emperors vive to take the imperial purple while fighting other people who wanted to control the empire.
This man could possibly be one of the many solider emperors who probably was a commander of frontier of Dacia who maybe won a lot of military victories fighting the barbarians that he was proclaimed emperor by his own soldiers and governed Dacia as his own personal province where artisans were ordered to production coinage with this emperors face.
This is just my theory but it’s cool that more history of the Crisis of the Third Century is being uncovered. It’s a crossroad where the ancient world began to transcend the medieval world.
we know that already, what else do you have?
You cannot have hyperinflation taking your gold or silver and minting it, because that is money.
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Well on the part "He was proclaimed Emperor by his own soldiers and governed Dacia as his own personal province" is where you lost me. If he governed Dacia Traiana on his own before the Roman withdrawal of 275 A.D? How could Aurelian order the two Legions to withdrawal if he wasn't the one making the orders? Sponsian could have been a Centurion of an Auxiliary unit stationed in Dacia Traiana, after 275 A.D he proclaimed himself "Imperator" of the region and its last remaining Auxiliaries and that's after the withdrawal, one of the reasons he proclaimed himself "Imperator" and not Caesar as usurpers usually did. He maybe lost a battle against the Gepids which he either was killed in action or he was killed by his own men and that was the end of Dacia Traiana.
Imagine how good or how bad you had to be to be written off as fake and then forgotten
Liberal democrats here in America do it every day concerning Jesus Christ.
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That reflects more on the researchers then the man.
Don't question narratives
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I wish we could go back and get to experience history through our own eyes
Then it would not be history, and you would only get a personal view. A living person can only be in one place at a time.
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In Russia in 1600s they had so-called Ljedmitry (literally, false Dmitry), who was a Polish-Belarussian monk and pretended to be a new Russian tsar, who was a "killed" prince before. He ruled for a few years, but, then, they found out, tortured and killed him.
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Didn't they cremate him, put his ashes in a cannon and fire him toward Poland?
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There were three of them
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“The years from 235 to 297 were given over to anarchy ruled by sword or dagger. Forty-six emperors or pretenders were slain or assassinated in strife that drew most of the legions away from their posts. With the border left undefended at vital points, the barbarians found an opportunity to add invasion to the horrors of civil war.” - Lynn Montross, War Through the Ages (3rd Ed., 1960), p. 87.
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@Kaunis Kaukomieli I have to chuckle at that, because I too am descended from the 'barbarians.' What is hidden in this gem - notice that it was written in 1960 - is a shift in historical language over the late 20th century when "barbarian" moved out of proper historical discourse and into movies and fantasy RPGs instead.
Britain
Circa 2022.
@@charlesphillips1468 "The years from blah to blah finally saw the end of the Roman tyranny, allowing people from oppressed lands to journey to Rome and request restoration of some of their looted property."
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@@nmarbletoe8210 No that was the Vandals about two centuries later. 😀
I always assumed details in all the Roman emperor were logged as they had good records didn't they? It seems fascinating that someone managed to be important and well known enough for the image to validate a coin, but not recorded anywhere. Who else is there to find out about!
The romans had a practice called "Damnatio memoriae" in which they actively removed all evidence from thier records of a persons. It was usually used against usurpers which would make sense in this case.
well recorded yes, and if they wanted to, well erased as well, search for "Damnatio memoriae".
Maybe he made enemies and people wanted to erase him. The plot thickens…
He was a usurper emperor who never fully reigned in his own right - most people think he was active in either Dacia or Pannonia. Plus, this was for less than a year and during the Crisis of the Third Century
True but Rome and it’s cities have been burnt down multiple times and other unfortunate things so things can be lost to time
2:11 Correction: it's now Romania, Transylvania ia a region of Romania. Back then it was part of Roman Dacia that also was made up of Wallachia and parts of Moldova, so not just Transylvania.
Wallachia = Wales
Dacia = Denmark
@@Chaldon-hl6yk What? You know where Sarmizegetusa was? In Hundeoara County, in Trasylvania on border with Wallachia. It's possible after the Roman Retreat in 275 some Dacian went North ntil they reached Denmark and Sweden, South Scandinavia. If you look at the traditional clothes, like ie, they look very similar.
@@RhiannonSenpai its legends and wrong translations
@@Chaldon-hl6yk No, Dacia is in Romania. How it it legends when we have historical documents talking about the Danube, Moesia (that are in Romania's territory of today) also artifacts, jewelry, coins etc etc. Stop spreading lies. You're just a Romanian hater. As for Scandinavia, it didn't have any people until about 2000 years ago, just in the South of Scandinavia. Daco-Thracians together with the Greeks are the oldest European civilizations. Fyi, around 4000 B.C.-Eastern Europe begins to use gold to decorate objects: The oldest gold artifacts in the world are from Bulgaria and are dating back to the 5th millennium BC (4,600 BC to 4,200 BC), such as those found in the Varna Necropolis near Lake Varna and the Black Sea coast, thought to be the earliest "well-dated" finding of gold artifacts in history. So pretty much shows Thracians are at least 6,600 years old, they already had a highly advanced civilization that produced fine jewelry and art made of gold.
@@RhiannonSenpai Romania since after Napoleon from elder scrolls
Im not Romanohater - its facts
Romanian Bulgarian - not difference
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My guess is Sponsian was one of numerous other generals who claimed title of Emperor as the eastern portion Roman Empire started to fall apart due to encroaching tribes in whats now south Eastern Europe (3rd century Crisis).
There were many usurpers at the time, may be one of them.
@@alfredodistefanolaulhe2212 that's what I was thinking, he was a usurper. That era had many as the empire plunged into chaos. It is believed that Sponsian was active in the 240s AD.
It’s possible that this person was a warlord who proclaimed himself as emperor. There’s this point in history called the Crisis of the Third Century where the Roman Empire was being shattered and split into smaller countries, kingdoms, and empires due to constant infighting and threats of war from barbarians. The warlord could’ve been a garrison commander in the Dacia region who probably defected and those loyal to him saw him as their own emperor. Warlords throughout history used to raise massive armies and fought with other warlords to usurp the throne.
Too streched . 271-273 emperor Aurelian retreats from Dacia . No local emperor before retreat , no smaller countries formed after retreat . The Romans had a pact with the Gepids to take over the territories and to defended them against other invaders - mostly free Dacians, Sarmats , Gots and Alans . South of Danube , the Romans form two other Dacias and the Danube remain the frontier of the Empire until the arrival of the Slavs . Dacia was an apendix , hard to defend for the Empire . So no local warlord have been ever an emperor , but it was the age of Soldier Roman Emperors , most of them from Thracia, Illyria .
A regional king, A Roman Governor, or something similar: 20 centuries later, we have a single gold coin to remember him. Ozymandias indeed.
Coins, especially gold, weren't made to a standard back then. The technology they had didn't produce uniform, circular coins. Each one was unique in some way. We know this, and yet still thought it was a fake for this reason?
A king or Emperor is forgotten, and yet, 2000 years later, a humble carpenter born in Judea is remembered worldwide, and worshipped by billions!
@@tommyt8998 it was also the reason of an emperor
People who don't understand how he wouldn't be in the history books we literally only have one book covering this time period the historia augusta written 60 years after these events and highly unreliable.
I wanna think this guy was actually declared emperor for like 5 minutes by his legion then immediately got ambushed by Germans on the way back to Rome and the one guy who survived made some coins in his honor
Transylvania is a Romanian province pretty much like Cornwall or Cumbria in England. Hence the coins were found in ROMANIA. BBC should represent correctly the facts. Romanians were denied for far too long their latin ascendence by various powers. Now they find old roman and dacian settlements everywhere they dig for a highway or any large infrastructure projects. All over the place. It's clear that Romanians are not welcomed in UK and Brexit told them that clearly but for the sake of a decent reporting just be honest and straight. Speak the truth.
I was just waiting for the BBC to claim the emperor was black or trans..
Successive Roman leaders also had a penchant for removing their rivals from Roman history. Many or most of these coins may have been melted and re-minted.
That is now Romania, in its western region (Transylvania). @BBC
...called Dacia...
BBC and the Brits don't like Romanians . Get used with it.
It's amazing how easy it is for significant portions of History to get lost
Yeah except it sounds like this guy was at best a governor of a back water province on the extreme fringe of the Roman empire, not an Emperor. So he was probably more of an insignificant portion of history that got lost.
A coin that was shared or changed hands by thousands of people, and they all bought thousands of items with the same coin. It makes you wonder what is the real value of a coin. One coin moved thousands of people to work hard for it, but the actual coin doesn't do anything; it is only there.
What an analysis ; really , do not know whether it is found in any book of economics.
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...Transylvania is in Romania, it's not just Transilvania
Dacia was mostly just Transylvania, Moravia and Bohemia ( basically the carpathian basin )
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This is so cool, shows how history is an ever changing and dynamic field of research and discovery. I wonder what other secrets from the past we have yet to discover!
I hope more stuff can be found about about Sponsian. Some emperors of the crisis of the third century weren’t written down in the records, so we only have coinage to know about them. I think Sponsian was a usurper with short term success. When I say short, I mean maybe a month max. Similar to the obscure Silbannacus, We will only know of him through coinage. Let’s hope that we will find out more about this forgotten emperor.
Maybe if we google his name, or go to Wiki, we'll find out all about him! lol
@@ridethecurve55 Wikipedia goes over what we know and a few theories about him.
Valerian, Gallienus, Claudius Gothicus, The Man Himself Aurelian, Probus and Diocletian. All emperors I am familiar with regarding the crisis of the third century.
And then Diocletian implemented a tetrarchy whereby Maximian was chosen as the other emperor (Diocletian and Maximian were also known as the augusti) and two caesars, Constantius and Galerius, were subsequently picked by their superiors, Diocletian and Maximian.
I'm thinking he fits more between the times of Gordian and Gallus.
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Calling himself an "emperor" looks grandiose to us, but the Romans still had the taboo against kings from the foundation of the republic. It was not until barbarians like Odoacer and Theodoric that there was a "King of Rome" again. That's why his men did not call him "King of Dacia."
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There have been a couple of 'false emperors' in history as well, people who claimed that they were the legal pretenders to the throne. In the roman empire a whole bunch of pseudo-nero's for instance.
Wow! Probably 250ad - 400ad. It depends on the gold content of the coin. We can make a guess of the possible time eras based on how diluted the coin is. Bullion was used to pay taxes during the Roman Empire devaluation of it's gold coins. Bullion was pure. Gold coins were not. There is a lot of missing data from the Roman Empire. Although the Roman Empire was advanced for it's time, there are missing receipts of price of bread from decade to decade. A lot of data is missing on a lot of items. Historical data is very useful to study long term cycles. With missing data, we can only approximate.
The one shown here is clearly crisis of the 3rd century, but the other side uses what appears to be a motif from the Republican era. Then the other coins looks like archaic Greek coins. They are a total mess and still dubious imo even with the "science" behind them.
92-93% pure gold based on the analysis in the study.
I am an historian of Rome he was probably around during the 250s or 60s when Rome was collapsing under the crises of the third century many usurpers declared against the real emperor in Rome. If this is a lost emperor and in gold it will be priceless Gold Aurei coins of this period are very expensive a usurper will be huge price if it ever came up for sale. The gold Aureus is always an expensive coin anyway but this period especially so. Another usurper of that period is Uranus Antoninus whos coins are mostly Gold Aurei.
Hope they find more about this man he had a role in Roman history that should be known more about.
It could also have been a general gone rogue to form his own state for some time, it's not that uncommon during the Roman Empire.
They had to sleep with both eyes open, and have a 'taster' for their food, too. Treachery Everywhere!
The crudeness of the design of the coin was a trend in all Roman art work in the late empire. Busts and coins of that time period were much more crude then those in the late republic and early empire.
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This new information is interesting and valuable, but it doesn't definitively answer all the questions about this coin. The coin has been rejected as a fake historically because it has so many features that are inconsistent with any other roman coin from that era.
- The front design isn't a Roman design
- The back design copies a design on a roman coin from 135BC
- The coin is the wrong weight
- The coin was cast rather than stamped
The new evidence shows that the coin was carried around with other coins long enough to get scratched and that it was buried in the ground for at least a few hundred years. But neither of those things creates a definitive case for the coin.
What was the weight?
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No, when you say something is a fake, it usually means that they are *not* an ancient relic, but a recent forgery.
The fact that this guy wasn't *actually* an official Emperor of the Roman Empire is obvious (bc there are no records of him). But the point is, the coins *are* actually from that time & someone *did* want to usurp power, declaring themselves Emperor or ruler of the region & making these coins.
This *matters* historically, bc it pieces together what happened in that time in roman-ruled Dacia. If these coins were in circulation, it means they are *actual* coins, not forgeries - irrespective of whether they were recognized (or even known about in Rome, or not).
*It also* proves that the region of Transylvania was indeed romanized by the end of the 3rd century, and part of the areal that gave rise to modern Romanians, as a people. Weakening for example, Hungarian claims that the region was uninhabitted when they arrived and whoever had lived there prior wasn't romanized and had no connection to Romanians.
So *no,* for all intents and purposes these are not "fakes" but very much historical, authentic relics.
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Everyone taking a single experts opinion as gospel and running with it is so very sad.
Forgeries of that time (which would, could and DID circulate) are far from unheard of.
The accountability of taking that singular finding and proclaiming “Real!” is disconcerting, both on behalf of the so-called expert as well as the BBC
@@David-qi1ys Its probably also worth noting that the single expert consulted is a professor of Earth Sciences with no expertise in coins, archeology, Rome or history. He isn't really an expert on the issues related to authenticating the coins. He simply presented some additional information.
Maybe he was a Legatus, brazen and drunk on himself enough to self proclaim emperor of the east, and powerful enough to enforce that position, even ordering circulation of actual currency of himself…until he was exposed and erased, along with (clearly almost) all traces of him.
I bet metal detecting in Transylvania would be interesting, risk of WW1/WW2 debris aside, and I wonder how common it is. The must be a considerable amount of stuff like this yet undiscovered that could fundamentally change our understanding of European history.
I totally agree but I'd still be worried about finding something explosive
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Going by the little flag on your profile name, nothing can fundamentally change your poor understanding of European history at this point.
@@magusl9628 Yawn. Really?
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@magusl9628 Pretty rich coming from someone who subscribes to the BBC.
well i dont understand british history ,because the romans say they were driven off the island of britain in the year 81, its recorded that a british king kerry drove them into the sea and the roman leader was taken back to rome and put to death ,, and in the harian 3859 in the british museum its recorded that these emperors were not roman but british kings and in the treodd ynys prydain [triads of the island of britain ] that in the year 382 the british invaded rome and the roman emperor at the time was caught and beheaded , in southern france , so something is wrong here and i find it very strange to , because the bbc would have us believe that the native britons didnt leave a carbon foot print every thing is roman saxon or norman , but i feel its neither most of it is british and it seems our true history is being kept from us and i cant work out why
he discovered scratches on the coin? I'll just assume it is fake.
There is so much material that is currently inaccessible simply because it is largely unpublished or known to just a few people. I'd wager that the answers, or at least solid clues, to many historic riddles and questions are waiting to be found in archives, storage rooms, etc, all over the world. This is just another example of why digitization and extensive publication that is widely and freely accessible is so important.
Imp. (Imperator) does not mean emperor. And imperator was for all intents and purposes, a highly regarded and successful general. It is the root word of 'emperor' but the actual "emperors" of the Romans were always referred to as "Caesar" "Augustus" or "princeps". They didn't call their emperor's "emperor".
Thank you. If he were even just proclaiming himself "emperor," "Caesar Augustus" should be abbreviated somewhere on the coin.
@@daviddechamplain5718 yup. However it is fully possible that he was declared Caesar Augustus but the people in this video are jumping to conclusions. This coin is also from the 3rd century so it's likely it originated during the crisis of the 3rd century when literally everyone and their grandma was declaring themselves emperor.
I only know one Emperor in the Crisis of The Third Century.
Give us Lucius Domitius Aurelianus.
Give us Emperor Aurelian!
I would like to know more about the other coins found with it back in 1717, not convinced it is real even after the exam. That being said, SPONSIAN is not actually claiming an imperial title with this coin, simply IMP...commander. The odd thing about this is the radiate crown, it indicates this is a double aureus or a Binio so it should weigh around 5.5-6 grams and looking at the images it does look like a double. The style of the observes would be accurate but the reverse is strange. A Binio would be extremely rare denomination so there may be a matching contemporary reverse die that hasn't been seen before but in the examples of the period, they match the aureus/Antonini types.
Addition, I found a picture of the obverse of all 4 coins. All 4 are barbarous with issues that would be easy to declare all fakes. The 2 Phillip coins were 100% struck with the same die. Scenario 1, coins were made in 1700 for the antiquarian market from someone with a small collection of reference coins...some republican denarius and a couple of Gordian and Phillipus Ants. Sponsian is a barbarous copy of the Phillipus Ant image of the emperor with a common repubican style title with made up name and copy of the republican denarius reverse. The Gordian is a barbarous copy of the Gordian ant. The Phillipus coins use the republican Roma personifican of the republican denarius instead of the image of phillipus but still use the phillipus titles.
Scenario 2: Coins are the product of a local Roman commander who needed to mint coin that was "official" but didn't want to strike in the name of anyone or claim the titles himself so made them in the image of circulating coins that were readily available. I lean toward 1700 fakes.
There are documented coins from the hoard with the emperors Philip the Arab and Gordian III. Documented in the sense that they travelled with the Sponsian to its current destination. But I dont think there is alot of good information on the discovery or the contents of the original coin horde at all.
The coin has been considered fake because of a long list of issues:
1) The face of the coin doesn't follow any normal Roman practices of the time.
2) The reverse of the coin features a copy of a Roman coin struck in 135 BC
3) It weights 10.02 grams which is a rather strange weight
4) The coin is cast rather than stamped
The coin just doesn't fit any of the expectations for a Coin from that era. One can't deny the new information that it was carried with other coins to the point where its scratched and that it was buried in the ground for at least several hundred years. But there is much about the coin that still defies a simple explanation.
@@Jim-Tuner I found the other coins with it or at least the obverses. They have problems and are not regular mint issues. See my second post where I describe the likely scenario of creation.
@@Jim-Tuner It does appear to be cast. The weight isn't crazy if it is a Binio (double aureus) as indicated by the radiate crown. How ever, I still lean to 1700 fake. When you see the other coins with it, you can paint the story of the maker. It is highly unlikely that a natural horde would have two coins struck with the same die (or use the same mold). All the coins have siginificant problems. Its is easy to see why declared fakes in the past.
These are clearly fake imo and the other coins are MUCH more obvious than the one presented in the video.
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I wouldn’t believe a word said here by the BBC!
Probably a barrack/soldier Emperor that had a short reign
ruled during the crisis of the 3rd century, i agree with you
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A whole lot of people in these comments are calling him a usurper, or just proclaimed emperor in one province. We have no idea that is true. There are gaps of many years during the Crisis where we think we know who controlled Rome, Mediolanum, but we have no idea who was in control of what parts of much of the empire for large periods of time. This is especially true of the early part of the period, before the "big names" of the Crisis start to show up in the 250's or so.
Given the period, and the finding in Transylvania, we can assume the legions in the area were running on this gold coin, but might he have also held Greece, held all of Dacia and Moesia and the Bosporus? Hell, for all we know for numerous gaps, he could have controlled most of the empire east of Italy. The fact this is clearly a coin printed with care, but NOT with the usual skill of most Imperial mints, it is entirely possible he held a chunk of the East, Pannonia and Dacia, Thracia. Most frequently, as happened with Diocletian, numerous of the Barracks Emperors, and later with Licinius and Maximinus Daia, when one of these emperors was declared, they took the Danube region, or Anatolia, or the Rhine frontier and Gaul. Most were not just in control of a single province, but numerous. They were acting less like small kings, and more like Emperors. Drawing armies from multiple provinces, of many people, marching to take or defend with tens of thousands of men.
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I'd lay odds that this Sponsian character tried his luck as emperor during the reign of Gallienus. There were so many would-be usurpers during his reign, that this guy sort of fits in to the trend.
This is so inspiring there could be a movie based off of him ‘the emperor who never was’
Ya, according to the super smart experts, the emperor that never was.
A better story is on how absolutely insane it is to listen to experts.
They dont know anything.
@@ZenCorvus Yep, theyre just guessing based on data, which any idiot can do. Just hired to establish an institution and make knowledge elitist
@@ZenCorvus I rather listen to experts and people who actually dedicate themselves to a field then some moron like yourself telling me not to.
This coin is a fake.
It has obvious been produced no more than 200 years ago.
dumping that coin in the hole like it's a fake for sure xD
Even a culture with a very good written and artefact history can lose all records over time, let alone the cultures that had no written language and built very little.
Typically when an ancient coin has a surface that is porous it is in more commonly seen in certain metals Silver, Brass, Bronze. The metallurgy and standard of the time making these metals of less purity. Authentic ancient examples that are struck typically have more uniform surfaces. This AU piece has a very pitted surface which to most observers would indicate a cast coin. The pitting a result of bubbles in the molten metal. Roman mints used dies to Strike coins, these struck coins have a distinct look under magnification that easy illustrates that the metal was pushed and pulled into the dies creating the imagery and design. Stretching of the metal causing striated movements around devices such as portraiture and lettering. Despite the primitive artistic aesthetic of the portrait and seemingly jumbled design on the reverse it could be a result of the creators limited knowledge of coinage this piece was created.
Good story, and great forensic work, but Sponsianus is not new. A coin of his is listed in David L. Vagi's, 2-volume 'Coinage and History of the Roman Empire', 1999. This is ongoing scholarship.,
It turns out; al the money spent to authenticate the coin cost more than the value of the coin
If someone was going to put all that money and effort into making a fake coin why would they put an "unknown" persons bust on it?? Why not create a "fake" known coin? I would have been suspicious too.
Because collectors would have nothing to compare it against. Also rarity = higher value among collectors. Coins of scarce emperors are worth a fortune.
It is a very good point you make and one I thought of as well. Even if it was a "fake coin" (made around that time) and in general circulation (at that time), they would have to match it to similar coins of that era.
But Rick from pawnstars can only offer $5 and he's taking a huge risk.
@@BestMods168 let me call an expert. Whoops value bumped up a bit to 5m.
The coin was considered fake because
1) The face side was not consistent with other Roman Coins of the era in style
2) The back side was a copy of a roman coin from 135 BC.
Even with the new evidence, its still an incredibly odd coin in its construction.
That was some flimsy evidence, upon which to arrive at forgotten emperor.
The face on the coin looks pleasant… He’s almost smiling 🙂
Lol this isn’t proof.
I like how they just put it in a cupboard for hundreds of years and forgot about it
Proves there is a gold coin that looks like this. People have a very lose definition of proof these days.
This period of Roman history is the, "I'm Emperor""No, I'm Emperor" era.
So... yes. This guy could have been the Roman Emperor of a province or two for, like 3-6 months.
These researchers need to brush up on their linguistics. “Imperator” was also a military title that simply meant “general”, and at time “commander-in-chief”. Which is why Julius Caesar isn’t necessarily an emperor in our sense of the word, yet he still held the title of “imperator”.
This shows that skepticism can be very valid even when the experts of the time tell you something is proven to be true or fiction.
There's alot of history swept under the rug...
Amazing 👏 I love this!
Plz increase quality more than.
720p, it looks horrendous
1080p is now low, and 720p is now very low. 4K is good. 8K is much.
It's important for sure, but regardless, a minor 'emperor' among many trying to lead Rome.
when "experts" are proven wrong, are they still "experts"?
thats really not as deep as you think it is. experts get it wrong sometimes
@@carlito6038 let me guess, still "experts"?
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Why is royal in quotations?
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Something wrong with British history, the records say very clearly all Romans were driven off the island of Britain in the year 80 , tatitus Roman historian says the Same thing , he says king ceri longsword high king of Britain drove the Romans into the sea and the governor of Britain was taken to Rome and executed , also I've just read nenius an 7 th century monk who compiled the history of British kings , says a British king called Severus built Hadrians wall , isn't it about time our true history is reintroduced , it's been suppressed for hundreds of years
Nothing s being suppressed. In this news story, additional testing has proven a coin to be genuine, and therefore the emperor it depicts being real. With this additional data, we can now be pretty sure of the facts, and it gets written into our history. The bar for proof is necessarily high, and there is always room for new data to come and rewrite it. This is the very essence of science.
That Severus built a wall is not disputed. What is not precisely known is where that wall was. Some say it's Hadrian's Wall, some say the Antonine Wall. The historical record is not precise, and is apparently contradictory. Again, this is how research is done. It's not being suppressed, it just seems that we don't know right now.
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@@MaterLacrymarum oh really well try reading the records then,
@@MaterLacrymarum look it up then , the truth hurts , your in denial and there no excuse for your ignorance because it's a recorded fact do your research,
@@everhardjones5519 Done my research, everything pointed toward you being a kook. You'd have to be crazy to think Hadrians Wall - and all it represents - was built by a lonely guy in the lat 1800's. I don't know where you're doing your "research", but I'm guessing it was in the form of a cartoon.
I guess what I find interesting mostly about this is that if someone wanted to fake a coin wouldn't they choose to use the likeness of an image of someone everyone knew, to try to make it more real? Why choose an obscure military commander?
Someone wanted to own it for cheap mb
The coin was considered fake because
1) The face side was not consistent with other Roman Coins of the era in style
2) The back side was a copy of a roman coin from 135 BC.
Nothing about the coin makes much sense. Even assuming its a real coin, it was produced in a cheap and amaturish way not consistent with typical Roman coins of its era.
@@Jim-Tuner Wow, you sound like a person who knows about ancient coins. I only own one, a denarius, and it's not in that good of shape. I like it because it has Biblical presence, as Jesus used it to make a point.
Clearly a leader of part of the Danubian legions before the principate of Aurelian in 270. He was successful enough to mint gold coins to pay his troops. Maybe he had defeated an incursion of the Carpi or the Goths. 1713, wasn't that when the area came under the control of Austria following Prinz Eugens victories over the Turks? As a commander of concentrated legionary forces he had been compelled to lead them to victory over the barbarians, but his very sucess made him a threat to the reigning emperor. Shown here with a radiate crown and the title 'imperator' he had been driven to claim the imperial purple and to mint plundered gold into coinage to pay his legions. It all fits an oft repeated pattern, in the age of sixty tyrants. Incidentally the part of modern Rumania which was Roman Dacia seems centred in the hills of Transylvania, where Hungarian people lived, not in the plains of Wallachia or Moldavia. The Latin speaking Vlachs do not appear in the area until maybe the thirteenth century giving rise to the plausible hypothesis the descend from Romani evacuated accross the Danube into Moesia, which the Empire renamed Dacia, then returned north centuries later as the southern Slavs left empty the land of Wallachia. Had they remained north of the Danube they would have been subject to the Eastern empire, which spoke Greek, not latin
It was not all that common but contestants to become emperor would sometimes get ahead of the game and publish their own coins before they became emperor. The coins would of circulated in their areas of support even though they never became an emperor.
I forgot about that, thanks!
there is some serious issues with this claim... firstly the researchers should not say they think it's wrong that the coins are faked, they should remain impartial until the evidence is analyzed. they clearly claimed the coins are not fake before they did the research and analysis on them which shows they aren't impartial and more likely to come to the conclusion which they already believed.
second of all just because the coins had been in a purse does not mean they were in a purse in the 3rd century, they could have been in a purse in 1700's also...
*would have
Your vocabulary is too good to be mixed with such grammatical fallacy.
With the amount of AE coinage (esp regularly found uncleaned in fields) in that area, I would have to expect that there would be AE3 and AE4 coins with his resemblance/name on them as well (like many other usurpers) and not just 1 lone gold coin... Also gold coins don't generally pit in my experience, even when buried.
But that's speculation on your part. If they find more coins, then they find more coins.
Goes to show that many things in history will be lost or be considered fictional/myth, even if they were real or based on real events but exaggerated.
The back of the coin shows depiction of bow hunters in a wheat field, the back side of a horse on the upper left. Just below VO which are Roman numerals for the amount of value to the coin 🪙 🤔
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Fascinating. Does anyone know how coins from Dacia wound up in a museum in Glasgow?
Same way greek art ended in British museum.
The coin may be genuinely Roman but that doesn’t mean it’s genuine. There have always been fake coins in circulation.
I really like the last animation with a black background and the coin spinning under shiny gold dust. Very appropriate.
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The science behind this discovery is incredible. And to think that there are so many "science deniers" around these days. Why deny the obvious, or for that matter, the awesome!? Congratulations to the Hunterian on this fantastic finding.
Ehhh. I read some coin collectors opinions about this on the internet and a lot of them seem to think this study is nonsense and the coin as obvious fake as any has ever been.
I would take this news with big grain of salt. There almost certainly will be a long dispute about this coin but that will no longer make BBC news.
What on earth has this to do with “science deniers”?
Science deniers are merely people who are sceptical about highly politicised issues. They don’t believe that all of science from Isaac Newton thru to Stephen Hawking is bunkum.
Really interesting!
On the surface coin collecting seems boring. But the truth is that it captures so much of history. Every coin has a story behind it in my opinion, regardless if it's big or small. Entered the hobby blind a few years ago and no regrets of doing so. Didn't care if it was not common for a person in their 20's.
Told my wife that, but she still disagrees with my sports memorable in coins has any value now or in the future. 😂
Went through some coins which have been in my family for over 3 generations, some very badly worn coppers and brass coins which I could not discern even what type of coins they were. Recently used a microscope on one and I could faintly discern some lettering and a bust, after checking the Roman lettering and the faint shape of the bust I found I had a Roman coin from over 2200 years ago! NO, it was not valuable, but was interesting!
So you are saying that even the experts are WRONG sometimes...interesting! I wonder if this applies to viral science?!
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So all it takes to prove a coin as authentic is make 50 of them keep shaking the bag for an year for scratches to develop and burry the coins in durt inside a box and leave in ground for an year and dig it out and claim it's original
The coin's value isn't multiplying SQRT(-1) by a factor so it wouldn't appear to be imaginary.
And, a one of a kind piece.
With no other coins every found of Sponsian and the coins that were found were cast, not stuck, most likely means he was a real person, military commander, perhaps self proclaimed Emperor and was seen as an Emperor by his supports, but he wasn't a Roman Emperor. He didn't have a moneyair, the person that traveled with and struck coins, his coins were cast, in a similar way that ancient counterfeiters made coins.
Given that it is my job to add the same scratches to 'medieval' armour, I would safely forget using the pocket-change scratches as proof of circulation.
I must stay in my lane here as this isn't my period, but many objects with similar stories have crossed my path.
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I don't know any of the academics involved here, so I mean no disrespect, as I am sure they know their onions and then some!
But the institutions I have worked with all needed reminding that the faker had a better microscope than they did! 🤫
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When you find any paint in containers under the ground buried for eons let's agree on splitting the "art" proceeds 😆
They found the coin hundreds of years ago. It wasn't a recent find.
It seemed like the GeoChemical analysis was much more definitive than the scratches?!
@@paper_gem I know, they said that in the video. But that doesn't change anything, in fact given the visual evidence this could be argued this aids the cynical?
Perhaps an 18th century coin-collector having a giggle in his attic atelier... Merely an enthusiastic amateur relishing the twisting of the history books... Perhaps even for financial gain?
I am not saying this coin is fake, but I can tell you how to make one in twenty minutes using methods that have been widely used since the dawn of time. (Not a single trip to the shops).
This technique could also be exactly how they made the coin were it correct as hoped, as it is a conparitively slow method unlike stamping a blank.
The isotope reading is an easy hurdle to overcome, though if this was a fake, and I am not saying it is, I would imagine this was a happy accident in this case.
@@nigelcarren if forged, why forge a Sponsian coin? why him? why not forge a known figure from antiquity?
Roman coin in Romania, who would have thought