I have to give it to you, these whole topic cuts are nice middle of the road content to short clips versus whole episodes. These are important discussions (obviously since you have picked them out) and it perhaps helps with search words for people. Albeit that might require a bit of sensationalization of the titles to really reach people who search for answers to their questions. Also shoutouts to your new thumbnail styling for these clips. I think they look really appealing and neat in the youtube list of videos. Perhaps more in line with the rest of the easy to digest professional youtube fitness content.
Excellent episode. I spent years spinning my wheels because I was doing what the studies suggested for the averge lifter. It wasn't until I went to university and realized that most studies just report on the average of the group and that the participants results were on a bell curve that I started just doing my own thing. I've definitely made more progress using what my training logs tell me works rather than going off the research alone. It's crazy that in some studies certain participants actually lose muscle on some protocols. My response to average training protocols was so bad I spent years thinking I was a non responder lol. Most of these training studies are just guide to what is most likely to work well for the average guy, but testing different training methods out yourself and seeing if it works for you personally is always going to take it to that next level. It makes training more fun too, rather than just using some cookie cutter routine designed for the averge lifter forever. Instead, you become your own science experiment.
This was an awesome talk. Really makes me re-evaluate how I’ve been approaching training. I’ve been seeing decent gains on my current program so I’m going to see it out. But I think after that finishes in a few months (and after I cut some of this fat I’ve put on lol), I’m going to spend a few months experimenting with different training styles. Closely tracking strength gains over a couple month period doing stuff like sets of 3-5, then sets of 6-8, and then 9-12 reps seems like a great way to see what works for me
Also, I would like to point that even for the same person the optimal rep range in average might be different for different exercices. For example, it might be optimal for a person to do 5-10 reps for deadlift and squat, but suboptimal for leg extension and leg curl where it might be closer 15-20 reps.
I have always trained reverse pyramid with gradually decreasing load and increasing reps from set to set, so I could never tell what actually worked best, but I covered all my bases. Like a top set on bench for 3 with backdowns for like 5, 8, 12, 15+ reps.
27:30 I've played with long pauses in all sorts of positions in many exercises. And I've convinced quite a few others to try it. And, just like Greg noticed, some respond really well, but not the majority. The difference really seemed to be those that, at first, didn't feel comfortable got a lot out of it and those that were basically fine didn't. That seems to be very generalizable so far.
Aww, Greg's saying I'm a special snowflake after all ❄️; I knew it! Take that Brad Pitt!! I think assuming you're not special is a good starting point though just so you go with the general research trends, but then if you try it out and your proving the research to be not true for you then you start to crystallize into your inner Snowflake form with each topic. This was a great episode on how to interpret results and how to explain how 2 diffetrnt type of content creators (with good intentions) can both be right when they say follow the research and follow your own anecdotes. There's always gotta be a balance of both in your life. Half snowflake, half fight club... Snowfight club.
"A person with his head in an oven at 100 degrees and his feet in a freezer at -50 has an average temperature of 25 degrees. But I guarantee it's not good for him!" Wellington Cunha.
99% the same but wow that 1% is enormous. Now add in sleep, nutrition, total food intake, food quality, stress, age, race, past history and present health status and then we become 90% different....
Not really. In fact, we share as much as 99% of DNA with Apes... and 99.9% as human. But at the same time we share 50% with a banana so every little difference on DNA can means a lot of difference in how we react to the environment.
Is it advisable to try and find optimal rep ranges by using muscle soreness as a proxy for hypertrophy? Say by completing 3 sets of bicep curls to failure- 8-12 range on the right side and 25-30 range on the left- and seeing which one fucks you up the most?
Wait so you say rep ranges matter on an individual basis, then provide no direct research for it, the basketball reference was a straw man argument explaining some things have variation (based on previous training) therefore this must be the same. Normally love the videos and felt this was not the quality I am used to. Love to hear more about general population and rep range effectiveness for muscle growth, normally hear higher reps are better to prevent injury, but may not offer as much strength as quickly
I gotta ask, did you watch the video, listen to segment, or check the show notes? I gave a citation verbally, the results are presented visually two different ways, and the study is linked in the show notes.
I have to give it to you, these whole topic cuts are nice middle of the road content to short clips versus whole episodes. These are important discussions (obviously since you have picked them out) and it perhaps helps with search words for people. Albeit that might require a bit of sensationalization of the titles to really reach people who search for answers to their questions. Also shoutouts to your new thumbnail styling for these clips. I think they look really appealing and neat in the youtube list of videos. Perhaps more in line with the rest of the easy to digest professional youtube fitness content.
This has to be the most overlooked information in the evidence based lifting community. Great job guys.
Excellent episode. I spent years spinning my wheels because I was doing what the studies suggested for the averge lifter. It wasn't until I went to university and realized that most studies just report on the average of the group and that the participants results were on a bell curve that I started just doing my own thing. I've definitely made more progress using what my training logs tell me works rather than going off the research alone. It's crazy that in some studies certain participants actually lose muscle on some protocols. My response to average training protocols was so bad I spent years thinking I was a non responder lol. Most of these training studies are just guide to what is most likely to work well for the average guy, but testing different training methods out yourself and seeing if it works for you personally is always going to take it to that next level. It makes training more fun too, rather than just using some cookie cutter routine designed for the averge lifter forever. Instead, you become your own science experiment.
This was an awesome talk. Really makes me re-evaluate how I’ve been approaching training. I’ve been seeing decent gains on my current program so I’m going to see it out. But I think after that finishes in a few months (and after I cut some of this fat I’ve put on lol), I’m going to spend a few months experimenting with different training styles.
Closely tracking strength gains over a couple month period doing stuff like sets of 3-5, then sets of 6-8, and then 9-12 reps seems like a great way to see what works for me
Greghead instead of Nuckolhead. Didn't see that one coming.
Awesome. Context and individuality count. Great content.
Also, I would like to point that even for the same person the optimal rep range in average might be different for different exercices. For example, it might be optimal for a person to do 5-10 reps for deadlift and squat, but suboptimal for leg extension and leg curl where it might be closer 15-20 reps.
Not optimal doesn't mean not effective. People don't understand that since we live in the age of hyperbole.
this one seemed inspired by Abbot and Costello, next time do Lucy and Desi😁
I have always trained reverse pyramid with gradually decreasing load and increasing reps from set to set, so I could never tell what actually worked best, but I covered all my bases. Like a top set on bench for 3 with backdowns for like 5, 8, 12, 15+ reps.
Greg and Eric are about to fight?? Where can I buy the tickets? Was this foreshadowed by the talk about who would win in a fight?
Great information guys!
27:30 I've played with long pauses in all sorts of positions in many exercises. And I've convinced quite a few others to try it. And, just like Greg noticed, some respond really well, but not the majority. The difference really seemed to be those that, at first, didn't feel comfortable got a lot out of it and those that were basically fine didn't. That seems to be very generalizable so far.
Yes making a mistake helps the lesson stick in there. People often need a little friction for it to register
28:07 Eric's point can be understood as starting with Game Theory Optimal, for the math nerds.
Aww, Greg's saying I'm a special snowflake after all ❄️; I knew it! Take that Brad Pitt!!
I think assuming you're not special is a good starting point though just so you go with the general research trends, but then if you try it out and your proving the research to be not true for you then you start to crystallize into your inner Snowflake form with each topic.
This was a great episode on how to interpret results and how to explain how 2 diffetrnt type of content creators (with good intentions) can both be right when they say follow the research and follow your own anecdotes. There's always gotta be a balance of both in your life.
Half snowflake, half fight club...
Snowfight club.
"A person with his head in an oven at 100 degrees and his feet in a freezer at -50 has an average temperature of 25 degrees. But I guarantee it's not good for him!"
Wellington Cunha.
99% the same but wow that 1% is enormous. Now add in sleep, nutrition, total food intake, food quality, stress, age, race, past history and present health status and then we become 90% different....
Not really. In fact, we share as much as 99% of DNA with Apes... and 99.9% as human. But at the same time we share 50% with a banana so every little difference on DNA can means a lot of difference in how we react to the environment.
@@Tomy-im8zl not here to split hairs or pick fly poop out of the pepper : )
For the algorithm
I guess I'm an old school Greg head lol
Is it advisable to try and find optimal rep ranges by using muscle soreness as a proxy for hypertrophy? Say by completing 3 sets of bicep curls to failure- 8-12 range on the right side and 25-30 range on the left- and seeing which one fucks you up the most?
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Wait so you say rep ranges matter on an individual basis, then provide no direct research for it, the basketball reference was a straw man argument explaining some things have variation (based on previous training) therefore this must be the same. Normally love the videos and felt this was not the quality I am used to. Love to hear more about general population and rep range effectiveness for muscle growth, normally hear higher reps are better to prevent injury, but may not offer as much strength as quickly
I gotta ask, did you watch the video, listen to segment, or check the show notes? I gave a citation verbally, the results are presented visually two different ways, and the study is linked in the show notes.