Why You Shouldn't Send Your Kids To SAME-SEX SCHOOLS!!! | TDK Podcast
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- Why are people so upset about ACS (Primary) going co-ed? Are same-sex schools elitist? Do guys from boys schools not know how to talk to girls?
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The elitist isn’t coming from single or coed it was just top school mentality
I’m glad I went to a same sex school! I was in co-ed primary and my self esteem was rock bottom. But being with the girls (although some very bitchy) helped me to be more confident without the awkwardness of puberty & guys.
SNGS old girl here too (but much older than Denise). Had the same experience about being told that you are the elite and represent future leaders, have to carry yourself well if wearing school uniform in public …
I was from the original Garbrielite school which by this September would have produced 2 cardinals. Single-gender school is fun, from young art teachers having their lockers bursting with love letters, to a principal talking so much that the residents around the school filed many noise pollution reports with the police; and not forgetting a classmate in primary school who flashed his manhood for 50 cents each time 😅
I was from a co-ed primary school then to a single-sex secondary school then back to co-ed JC. Everyone has their own unique life journey but I would say mine is pretty mild. Agree to most of the points being made by the cast especially about what JP had to say about being in an all-boys school. Given the opportunity, I would still send my child to a single-sex secondary school as confidence during puberty, I feel, should be built among a close group of friends and not be judged by the opposite sex, boys and girls alike.
Was from st nicks too - in fact Denise's batch as well so I do vaguely recall seeing her ard back then. The anecdotes are definitely relatable, back then we didn't think much of it but recalling it now - it's definitely quite elitist
Co-ed pri (Great) > All-girls sec (Mixed feelings) > Co-ed JC (Best time of my life)
I agree that those who went the full all-girls route felt like they were more sheltered than those who came from co-ed. But at the same time, the irony is that the girls I know that went from all-girls pri to all-girls sec had more guy friends than I did... With activities outside of school. In a sense, even though they had an all-girls experience, but with most of the same-sex school being more well-off, the parents tend to send their kids for more extra-curricular activities or camps outside of school that give them the exposure to social interactions with different genders and personalities, while still limiting the amount of interaction time so the probability of getting into a relationship is lower.
Anyway, all-girls sec school can be rabak at times also, but it really depends on the person. During my time in sec sch, a girl set a small fire on the toilet, and to this day no one knew why she did that, but the police was called. Someone I knew but was not close to was abused by the disciplinary teacher, where he brought her to his house. That same disciplinary teacher was known to go around scolding girls for wearing shorts under their skirts (how he knew they wore shorts under their skirts... the implication is clear). A classmate of mine self-harmed cos of family issues. I guess no matter which school, co-ed or same-sex, there will always be such incidences.
I both hated and loved my time in an all-girls sec school. Being around girls was great - I felt comfortable enough to explore my own sexuality, in which I'm sure my friends wouldn't be surprised if I ever came out to them as a lesbian. At the same time, they can be very critical. I opened up about my personal issues - abuse - to people I considered my friends, and they dissed and called me/my issue "crazy people talk". So yea, typical teenage ups-and-downs during my whole sec school life that I have mixed feelings about to this date. I'm glad that I went to an all-girls sec sch, just because I don't know how all this would hold up if I went to a co-ed school instead.
Oh, and even though I went to co-ed pri and JC, I still don't really know how to interact with guys to this date. Just because I CAN talk to guys, doesn't mean I understand guys or know what I'm doing half the time 😂
PS. I do like to buy blogshop stuff though
All the wartime flashbacks will come back to alot of us.
I was from ACS and then had to go to AES cos of grades.
and before Y2K there was Far East Plaza, a meeting point for various schools boys / girls / Co-ed / top / low...
everything that was mentioned in the video happened to me at Far East plaza.
maybe to a few good other peeps.
good times.
St Nick’s primary and Paya Lebar Methodist Girls Secondary. It was yucky. Live started only in Tertiary education which was quite fun and also unassuming if you never mixed with opposite sex before.
Many people do not know this but most of the mission schools/single sex schools are still meant to be a neighbourhood school due to their vision and mission.
The best option is hybrid, I went to a co-ed primary school then went to an all boys mission secondary school. The single sex schools with a strong school spirit really makes a difference, even if youre not the type to be onz about school activities. Its really the brotherhood you feel
I was a mixed like denise where I came from co-ed then went to girls sch. The "mixed" girls like me were more tom-boyish while the girls who go girls school for 10 years were vv girly, especially those who didn't have much interaction with guys during that period. The vv girly ones would look at every guy our age on the street and say dude was handsome coz their own view on guys is romanticised by media. I hear once they go to jc they get some culture shock to find out not every guy is so romantic. My sister actually warned me before I entered girls sch that every girl from girl school is super weird around guys when they come jc. I think it's best for a child not to go to a same-sex sch for 10 years straight. either pri sch or sec sch. Better not be both.
Yeah that's true I was in a same sex primary school.
I agree with you.
Was from a co-ed mission school for pri sch and secondary school. Think it gives the most balanced experience and also helps in character development
Teen pregnancy is much higher in co-ed schools too. Co-ed school allows for the young boys and girls to somewhat climatise themselves in how to act infront of the other gender but yet like one comment mention, being in the same sex school, if gives some kind of a shelter(can lead to a daring grown-up) and it really shapes how the gender acts in the future, be it good or bad. it might seem hypocritical but, based on statistics alone.
Here's what is "optimal": girls > same-sex schools, boys > co-ed schools
Life is now co-ed so schools should be co-ed. Listen if this was back in the 1950s and women were still our live in slaves, same-sex schools would be fine. Nowadays men and women interact/work together in all facets of life. Also, for most people the most significant relationship in their life is going to be their opposite sex partner. Learning to interact harmoniously with the opposite sex is essential
Alison does give east side bestie vibes 😊
hi bestie
- Alison
Just because everyone does it doesn't make it right... SMH. 27:05 - until TODAY you don't know if what you said affected them? Of course it did. Stop wondering and apologise to them please.
The thing Alison said about chij Katong vs saint nics is so true 😭😭 I was from chij Katong
Coed pri sch > all girls sec sch. I think that worked out well for me, growing and learning along boys and girls (replicating real life) in pri sch. Then going through puberty away from the eyes of boys, tgt with my girl friends was the best thing- a phase where you try to find your identity and am confused or even insecure about yourself, I didn't need the pressure of having boys around in my life 😂
Omg fellow Coralite!! What a surprise. But I can totally resonate with the embarrassment (which increased even more now that it’s defunct)
just as tiny grains of coral…
- Jared
@@TheDailyKetchupPodcastthe most ridiculous thing about coral was the ban from white sands. Unheard of even till now.
@@TheDailyKetchupPodcastgrow to mighty....
@@TheDailyKetchupPodcastgrow to mighty coral reefs!
Im from catholic high secondary now and its totally fine there to act feminine and gay
gabrielite representtttt , really miss those wild & fun times in an all boys school, all the 1v1 fights in class between lessons & boys flaunting their 🐦around. Seems like its a tradition in St Gab's for every cohort to make a teacher cry xD, sorry to all the trainee teachers out there TwT, we were young..
Lol! Gabrielites! Remember the Flying tables and chairs. And also an awesome teacher who speaks with the mic on his chest because his voice is really loud, but a damn great and passionate teacher. You know if you know.. and you get those female teachers… boys will go around speculating some teacher wore g-string and boys idolising these teachers!! Funniest having classmates asking female teachers if chapter 7 in sec 2 science got practical!!! good old days..
Well I’m in a same sex school and it’s nice but there’s just a few problems
Girls are too supportive Like way too supportive and (this is a personal problem) a girl having a crush on me and like uh it’s awkward we used to be friends but now it’s ehh
huh.... I am from a normal neighborhood school. No bloodshed or gangster fight throughout my school days. Having police presence in our school premises was barely seen. In fact, my sister who went to same-sex school, told us a lot of problem kids and sexual orientation issues.
In my school, any gangster-like or skirt-up actions are barely unheard of. And I really shock you guys have the impression that normal neighorhood school are all gangsters and problematic.
Went from now-defunct Yung An Primary (so jialat but thankfully had good teachers) to RGS. Detested life in RGS and their culture as well as some teachers. Loved and adored my JC class in RJC - never a dull moment. We had 21 boys and 7 girls. And I daresay life was so much better precisely because we had a lot of diversity in our JC class - not everyone was from (elitist) RI and RGS, and we had a couple of students from different ethnicities and cultures. Shouout to our awesome teachers and principal at RJ too ( Thank you Mr Winston Hodge). So much fun!
33:52 Nah they purposefully ask the teacher to see the teacher's reaction and response.
it was after leaving a toxic girls school where I really experience the reality and maturity of life…for reference, i was in plmgps..and it was not it.
Always love watching your podcast and always enjoy the discussion that happens. Could possibly have more representation from different races as you could possibly have different perspectives on such topics. Just a suggestion! 😊
Hey from Coral Sec here, and I did enjoy my sec school life. Haha
I love Allison and her honesty!!!!!! It’s so refreshing
Friend’s opinion (teacher): send girls to girls’ schools, boys to co-ed schools. Denise’s conclusion basically supports this HAHA
I taught in a same sex school before. And before you ask, I'm a guy and it was a girl's school. And I have to concur. While I'm a very adaptive person, I will say it was a nightmare in a handbasket.
It wasn't all bad to be frank, there were a lot of girls very worth teaching. listened, paid attention, and gleaned a lot from the lesson, were respectful and very grateful. But there was also this one girl who didn't pay attention, then disrupted the lesson by causing her groupmates to just be inattentive, mobilised her group to make other groups inattentive by doing stupid things like sharing the answers on whatsapp so they were playing games every chance they could, and then kicking up a huge gooddamn fuss when I clamped down on it resulting in multiple hours of post-class work to resolve the situation.
Also, she had rich parents who had spoiled her rotten so guess what, I found myself on the defensive against this girl who very skillfully used her peers and her tears, so I ended up having to answer to the parents. Fortunately the other teachers weighed in and supported me but goddamn the nightmare did not stop there. she took every conceivable opportunity to deal damage every single chance she got thereafter, and in ways she knew could get away with.
Ms Abraham will RKO John for associating BDS within BDSM
Meanwhile I was from Chung Cheng & I learnt that it was previously associated negatively with gangsters as some of its students supported Communists during Singapore's pre-independence era. I also remember a game played during 1 of our drama enrichment classes that's like musical chairs but instead of finding a chair when the music stops, you're supposed to find a classmate of the opposite gender & hold their hand. I hesitated more than my classmates (as I was thinking if female classmates might still feel uncomfortable, despite us being in a game setting, & accuse me of molest) & thus I got eliminated earlier. After the game my classmate told me: "You have a problem with your attitude." Well that escalated quickly!
omg sharm! hillgrovian! Did not realised you're my junior! Fun fact, our school song was composed by the same guy who composed our national athem! Mr. Zubir Said!
I'm from Coral Secondary School too!
I was from Northland Primary too, same as Denise!
Chongfu Primary School (Now Chongfu School) & North View Secondary School (Now merged with other sec schools hearsay?)
What watch is john Paul wearing ?
Neighbour school have 2 groups: the pop kids & the one being bullied
No wonder alison looks kind of familiar! Fellow BDS-sians here! MS aabraham is the best dm! 😂
She's iconic 😂
- Alison
I came from Spotify! 🙂
We see you! 👀
The moment he said can search the coral school song on youtube, i searched and indeed there's a white guy with guitar singing WE ARE CORALLLLLLLLL. LOL
From ijsn too! Happy to be working in neighbourhood sch now though
If i have a daughter -ill opt for same sex sch so they know how to be confident in the absence of boys
If I have a son - ill opt for co ed sch so hopefully the boys dont learn toxic masculinity/misogyny so early, and learn how to interact with girls earlier
"we made fun of them but idk if it was wrong/i should feel guilty cos everyone was doing it" bro like fr? if it's something (negative) you are intentionally doing towards a select group of people, something that you wouldn't want happen to yourself, then clearly regardless of the "norm" that behaviour isn't ideal right?
chill la when you young you just follow the crowd. people change and grow.
I m co-ed primary(sap sch) secondary co-ed(neighbourhood school) tbh neighbourhood sch have more fun than elite schools its like coz we arnt trained to be so obedient so during lessons its more fun😂 in my opinion lah
Success through endeavor!........
Bedok south, we come to you, our minds eager for learning~
-Alison
do you still remember your school song? sing it for us in the comments!
Children are born innocent. It’s their upbringing that lead them to the way they behave.
The really rich people are lovely. The poor are also nice. It’s the in-between who tends to be horrible.
Denise's joke at 21:53 was quite funny but went over everyone's head haha
Shermz has a great singing voice!
me is from TNS --> BDS (old campus)
Knew one person from coral. His description of it was basically crime lol. Kudos getting through it Jared!
can you rank the secondary schools in Singapore based of the people yk (pls incl schools frm the east like BDS BGS AHS) (anon)
Great singing of the Hillgrove school song!
Is ok i was bullied quite badly from sec1-3 too
Looking back i could have been more sensible too but oh well.
Sec4 was fun
coral secondary school song is a bop tho LOL
eh can ya'll like link the reddit threads next time? I wanna read also
i like how to discussion is so controversial and daring.
BDS: Success through endeavour
Thanks for sharing, funny n entertaining 😄
My daughter is attending Haig girls school!!
Why nothing wrong but yes there is a disadvantage
The best is yet to be. 2000-2003 "love bridge to SCGS" hue hue hue
Hybrid too!
Co-Ed the IJ girl!
Totally agree that being in all girls school helped a lot during puberty
Gabreilite rocks hahaha. Your yellow house should be Elzear
I just found out our love bridge has been taken down 30:27
If you think having a gf from the same Sec sch makes u a god, what about those guys who have gf in other sec schools?
Jon Paul when they were flaming boys school near the end: 🙃
so funny to see u on screen, Denise (mr chia)
Wah didn't know Jared was from Coral Sec sch. I can say that our school song is still on youtube. We are Coral.....Yes we're Coral....HAHAHA
Agree with denise haha. 10 years girls’ school here. Pri sch a bit shitty but sec sch fking amazing haha. But after entering jc and encountering some…interesting characters, i became quite prejudiced against guys. Lack of exposure will surelt affect in some way i think. But wah really enjoyed my 4 years leh haha
Woohoo! GABRIELITE REPRESENT!
Wtf i frm co-ed sec sch when i went jc literally all the girl sec sch ppl from sec dated the boy sec sch ppl.
I’m from CHIJ Katong but I’m not rabak :’)
Mixed school is the best. That’s the real world. We don’t live in a monastery. I never ever hv any problem working or communicating with opp sex. They are plenty who did very well academically in coed school. All boy school give me a vibe of army camp. Girl school I hv no idea. That being said. I can easily tell if a person come from a same gender school or not. The emotional maturity is very important. More than grades and results. Besides IQ, we hv EQ, AQ,… don’t grow up to be too narrow minded & tunnel vision. I am 50 tis year.
Hahaha omg hillgrovian...the school song nice tho
bbssian here!
I from Serangoon Sec school
I subscribed JP! :D
Omg im from northland pri too!!
I didn’t enjoy school so much so that I dropped out of secondary school 😂 it got so much better after :) all guys school sounds like a nightmare and all girls school sounds like a fairy tale 😂
no cause im in a chinise-christian school and im not chi nor christian😭 and ngl its damn siao like i alwys see ah like the darker skin ppl confirm kena bullied or hated for no reason at all one if u lucky like me dark skin but popular ppl look up to u one like the "popular kids" ah in my sch oni got two dark skin kids and one of them me💀
Talking about rabak. Changkat Pri (ok) + Secondary (rabaks) LOL.
As long as you don't permit yourself to be groomed for future "inappropriate relationship" by whatever internal environment you are in. 🤣😜
HHAHA TAU POK!
BDS all the way
huat
- Alison
Hillgrovian unite! Loved my sec sch experience though
Potest Qui Vult - IYKYK...
Here here...
From Pasir Ris Primary HUAT AH
Hi, I’m Gabriel pro max 🙌🏻
VS boys ✊🏽
omg i was in haig girls also 😭
IJ ❤ STC
I wish I went to same sex school.not smart enough.😂
Relationship wise
was from rgs and i loved it. didnt like rjc as much though cos boys that age a lil 😥😅
geylang methodist pri and sec lol
BDS represent!!! hahahhaaaha
I am one of those "elitist" proud acsian. ACS independent class 2003.
Not much bullying in my cohort. The small bullying is because there is this 1 weird smelly guy and he was like asking for it 😅. Other than that nothing much,we are too busy studying,CCA and sports.
And yes we are proud of being the top boys school in sports. Whenever we reach some final competition,the school always send supporter. For rugby final,the whole school come down,it's always fun because we always win.
I would surely send my kids to single sex school for secondary. Primary school should be coed to mix with opposite sex at least. Connections for the future are good in my school,most are working high paying job like doctor,lawyer or have high position jobs. But of course not any tom dick harry can join ACS(i),my psle 250 barely make it. The education also consistent and high level which is the most important.
My friends from ACS are not all from rich family,there are many from normal family,we don't differentiate on wealth at all. Although our after school activities other than CCA,playing soccer,we go to orchard road to hangout eat or watch movie,not spending much. There is no peer pressure to spend money or buy branded stuffs,we probably still don't know what is branded stuffs yet at that age.
Dating wise,it was the times of mirc. And it's easy to find girls to talk to because we are "ACS(i)" boys 🤣. So the perks is good 🤭
Bro is flexing