I totally agree. I think this episode was a great representation of the heart of Michael’s character. Michael sees his co workers as his family until he has his own. A little foreshadowing to the “Goodbye, Michael” episode where Michael has a monologue in which he says, “ Holly is my family now. At the end of the day, your coworkers are just your very best friends”. That monologue encapsulates the growth of his character where now he is able to move on and actually start his life. That is why I think David’s words were so important to him,at the time. David showing Michael that he respects him as a person was more impactful to Michael than what he thinks about him professionally. The only thing that would keep this episode out of my top 10 episodes of all time would be the B plot. The more serious nature of the main plot was not balanced very well with the ping pong plot which felt like not very well conceived filler.
@@dm9489 Even though it was seemingly serious, anything concerning Michael has to have some levity. Ergo, the fun sub plot, which I enjoyed. Even Pam getting smack talked too..
It was genius the way he said “you expect to get screwed by your company , but you don’t expect to be screwed by your girlfriend” because he didn’t bother with an obvious “that’s what she said” showing he was really hurt by it all
I feel like reading Michaels diary would be a little like reading Creed's blog, Creed thoughts. Bizarre, but strangely interesting. I would much prefer to read the diary than Pam's comic book.
The whole world deserved a copy of Micheal's diary during Covid-19 lockdown. I would totally read this and buy this. Plus Toby laughing was such a highlight. Michael's loyalty was to the company and not to his girlfriend Jan. Dunder Mifflin was his family before he gave it for Holly and their four children left in Boulder, Colorado. "You expect to get screwed by your company but you never expect to get screwed by your girlfriend." Micheal Scott. You'll never find your Holly if you never move past your Jan.
I feel like the ending with David and Micheal is underrated, Micheal wants to be liked more than anything, and hearing David privately say micheal is "A nice guy" acctually meant more then his relationship
So the main plot line contains some of my favorite Michael moments ever, most of which you discussed in the review. His maddeningly obtuse use of language reminds me of the description of Zaphod Beeblebrox in "Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy": it's hard to tell when he's pretending to be stupid in order to defuse an argument, when he's pretending to be extraordinarily stupid in order to get out of a tight spot, and when he's really being genuinely stupid. I think we see examples of all three in the deposition. Moments like saying "Eyeshh" for "Yes" in a formal legal setting, and actually writing "Hee hee" in his diary, are classic Michael bits that are completely in line with the character that's been established since the middle of the first season, which I call the "loveable jerkass". But it's the exchange with Toby that really stands out for me. Here's how I see that scene: after who knows how many years of hostility from Michael, Toby finally sees an opportunity to find some common ground with him, and hopes to humanize himself in Michael's eyes. He opens himself up and shares a piece of his own emotional vulnerability, hoping that Michael will relate to it and begin to see Toby as someone he can relate to on an equal level. But Michael is having none of it, and pushes Toby away both metaphorically and literally. In that moment we go back to the "total jerkass" character of Michael that the series began with. The show wouldn't work if Michael were like that all the time, but for this one exchange, it serves to show why the relationship between Michael and Toby is never going to change. And when Michael tells David Wallace that "I think you're a nice guy too", that illustrates the core of his character. His coworkers, to him, are his friends and family, and he will put his work relationships above any other bonds in his life. Dysfunctional? Of course it is, but that is how Michael Scott is Michael Scott. Well, I've said a lot for a guy who's not the vlogger. ;) Hope it was some food for thought!
When michaels in the car he talks about how he remembers things by assigning them stories and names . He says he has a friend “inapro” but what kinda name is that lol
I understand and agree with what you say about the second plot but I personally enjoy it. It's just mindless fun and Kelly fires on all cylinders which I always love.
I think this was also the first time Jan said I love you to Michael ! That was a great scene too at the cafeteria where they said it to each other just after settling a mini couple fight
I've got a lot of thoughts about this episode. Despite having disagreed with your rating of the previous one, I agree that "The Deposition" deserves that 5/5. If it hadn't been overshadowed by "The Dinner Party", I would have considered it the best episode of the season. Funny thing about the different parts of this episode. The cold opening, the main plotline, and the ping-pong B plot all made strong impressions on me, but if I don't watch this for a while, I forget that they all took place in the same show! The opening is just cute, with Pam's little routine that makes Michael feel important. The conversation with Ryan is the *good* kind of Michael Scott cringe humor, and the final "Hi buddy!" made me laugh out loud the first time I saw the episode. The "Ping Pong Plot" was clearly a showcase for Kelly and Dwight, with Darryl and Jim just along for the ride. And Pam... well, therein lies the flaw of this subplot. I agree with you that Pam seems out of character here, but on the other hand, I'm not sure what would have been in character for her. In my fantasy version of the exchange, Pam would have poker-faced all of Kelly's trash talk, not showing any reaction, and leaving Kelly totally baffled. But that would have defeated the purpose of the B-plot, and frankly that would probably also have been out of character for Pam. So I'm curious as to what other ideas people may have. What would have been a more "Pam-like" reaction, that still would have allowed for a funny plot line and a ping-pong match?
Regarding your comment about the weather: today, in mid-October, it was in the 70s in northeastern Pennsylvania, northern New Jersey, and the NYC area. So on the average it may be a cold season, but we do get our warm days!
Why does Michael have issues with Toby being divorced, but not with Daryl, Meredith or even Jan. On the surface his issue with Toby seems divorce minded, but there has too be a deeper issue.
The theory is that Michael projects a lot of his angst about his parent's divorce on Toby, because Toby is somewhat of an authority figure (works for corporate and can put a dampener on what Michael wants to do), but also because Toby was a child of divorce and yet still went through a divorce. Jan's divorce was simply opportunity for Michael! 😂 And I'll have to think about Darryl and Meredith.
@@Mulverine i have to add Stanley into the equation too. I think Michael doesn’t like Toby, regardless and uses that as another reason to rip on him. Even Jim had issues with Toby when Michael was gone...I just think it’s Toby, more than Michael’s psychological issues dealing with him parents divorce.
Toby is the complete opposite of Michael in just about every way cept maybe the divorce which brings bad mojo anyway. Plus , I think from the very beginning it was one of those special personality clashes that left the audience wondering why MS hates poorToby so much. Like a TV trope from some other shows like Seinfeld not liking Newman.
I feel like the B plot might have worked better in another episode. It just doesn’t mesh with the stakes of the deposition scenes. I feel like a more inter-personal B plot would have worked.
I just discovered this a day after finishing the office (again) and I love it so much. And I’m sad Steve Carell answers so negatively to your proposal. My suggestion is to insist, never stop, go to his home and flood his email box, preferably hire a stripper to trick him into coming out
I have a couple of Easter Eggs I'd like to share with you for later episodes & have been looking for more. I'm going to compile a whole list of Easter eggs I've found that hasn't been noticed online.
To be fair, Mulverine, Pam seems off her character for almost this entire season. Which is a huge let down for me. The only thing that I love about this ping-pong subplot is... Drum roll, please: Dwight. Obviously.
Hey! Good to hear from one of my oldest commenting subscribers! The B plot just drags this whole thing down, and while making this video I kept wondering if when I put it out there, everyone would just lambast me for not 'getting it'. Maybe it was just that Ping Pong was the best way they wanted to reinforce the back and forth that Michael was going through...that's smart...I should have said that in the video...lol
@@Mulverine Yeah I keep meaning to comment when you put these videos out on Thursday’s but I get so busy I just forget lol. The B plot to me feels like it should be part of another episode at times-it’s just such a weird tonal shift, but I can see why they wanted a funnier/lighter tone compared to the main plot of the deposition.
Who cares about michaels betrayal by Jan She was trying to win millions of dollars The fact that mike didn’t remember that or care I’m surprised Jan stayed with him I was on jans team on this one Aka money over family and integrity
I totally agree. I think this episode was a great representation of the heart of Michael’s character. Michael sees his co workers as his family until he has his own. A little foreshadowing to the “Goodbye, Michael” episode where Michael has a monologue in which he says, “ Holly is my family now. At the end of the day, your coworkers are just your very best friends”. That monologue encapsulates the growth of his character where now he is able to move on and actually start his life. That is why I think David’s words were so important to him,at the time. David showing Michael that he respects him as a person was more impactful to Michael than what he thinks about him professionally. The only thing that would keep this episode out of my top 10 episodes of all time would be the B plot. The more serious nature of the main plot was not balanced very well with the ping pong plot which felt like not very well conceived filler.
Well said! I agree, did not enjoy the ping pong plot, didn't fit with the seriousness of the A plot.
@@dm9489 Even though it was seemingly serious, anything concerning Michael has to have some levity. Ergo, the fun sub plot, which I enjoyed. Even Pam getting smack talked too..
It was genius the way he said “you expect to get screwed by your company , but you don’t expect to be screwed by your girlfriend” because he didn’t bother with an obvious “that’s what she said” showing he was really hurt by it all
I feel like reading Michaels diary would be a little like reading Creed's blog, Creed thoughts. Bizarre, but strangely interesting. I would much prefer to read the diary than Pam's comic book.
Even for the internet, it would be pretty shocking…
The whole world deserved a copy of Micheal's diary during Covid-19 lockdown. I would totally read this and buy this. Plus Toby laughing was such a highlight. Michael's loyalty was to the company and not to his girlfriend Jan. Dunder Mifflin was his family before he gave it for Holly and their four children left in Boulder, Colorado. "You expect to get screwed by your company but you never expect to get screwed by your girlfriend." Micheal Scott. You'll never find your Holly if you never move past your Jan.
Paul Lieberstein's face in this episode is priceless
Steve Carell's official statement FLOORED ME! 🤣🤣🤣
Can we replace andy with dancing Jan from dinner party.
Thought about it...I'm in!
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That is genius!
Wow those diary entries are spot on. He did a really great job, very Michael Scott.
I feel like the ending with David and Micheal is underrated, Micheal wants to be liked more than anything, and hearing David privately say micheal is "A nice guy" acctually meant more then his relationship
Sleeper? The Deposition is one of my favorite episodes.
With a rating of 5/5, this one is definitely up there.....that's what she said !!!
So the main plot line contains some of my favorite Michael moments ever, most of which you discussed in the review. His maddeningly obtuse use of language reminds me of the description of Zaphod Beeblebrox in "Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy": it's hard to tell when he's pretending to be stupid in order to defuse an argument, when he's pretending to be extraordinarily stupid in order to get out of a tight spot, and when he's really being genuinely stupid. I think we see examples of all three in the deposition.
Moments like saying "Eyeshh" for "Yes" in a formal legal setting, and actually writing "Hee hee" in his diary, are classic Michael bits that are completely in line with the character that's been established since the middle of the first season, which I call the "loveable jerkass". But it's the exchange with Toby that really stands out for me.
Here's how I see that scene: after who knows how many years of hostility from Michael, Toby finally sees an opportunity to find some common ground with him, and hopes to humanize himself in Michael's eyes. He opens himself up and shares a piece of his own emotional vulnerability, hoping that Michael will relate to it and begin to see Toby as someone he can relate to on an equal level. But Michael is having none of it, and pushes Toby away both metaphorically and literally. In that moment we go back to the "total jerkass" character of Michael that the series began with. The show wouldn't work if Michael were like that all the time, but for this one exchange, it serves to show why the relationship between Michael and Toby is never going to change.
And when Michael tells David Wallace that "I think you're a nice guy too", that illustrates the core of his character. His coworkers, to him, are his friends and family, and he will put his work relationships above any other bonds in his life. Dysfunctional? Of course it is, but that is how Michael Scott is Michael Scott.
Well, I've said a lot for a guy who's not the vlogger. ;) Hope it was some food for thought!
Well don’t start. You’ll give me a run for my money! 😂 jk, these are great thoughts! I didn’t even think about looking at it from Toby’s perspective.
When michaels in the car he talks about how he remembers things by assigning them stories and names . He says he has a friend “inapro” but what kinda name is that lol
I understand and agree with what you say about the second plot but I personally enjoy it. It's just mindless fun and Kelly fires on all cylinders which I always love.
"You never expect to get screwed by your girlfriend" is one of Michael's top missed "That's what she said" moments.
He didn't say it because he was actually hurt/serious about this situation.
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She said "you never expect to be screwed by your girlfriend"?
@@MetalSandman999 Women have tended to use the term "girlfriend" much more loosely than men use the term "boyfriend," so the joke does work.
Agreed about the B plot. Kelly was insufferable in that. But the A plot makes the episode one of my favorites.
Same!
I think this was also the first time Jan said I love you to Michael ! That was a great scene too at the cafeteria where they said it to each other just after settling a mini couple fight
It was actually season 2 of Heroes that got screwed by the writers strike. One of the greatest disappointments in my life!
hiya buddy is one of my favorite cold openings of all time. the drawing and the way he sells the line is just SO good
I've got a lot of thoughts about this episode. Despite having disagreed with your rating of the previous one, I agree that "The Deposition" deserves that 5/5. If it hadn't been overshadowed by "The Dinner Party", I would have considered it the best episode of the season.
Funny thing about the different parts of this episode. The cold opening, the main plotline, and the ping-pong B plot all made strong impressions on me, but if I don't watch this for a while, I forget that they all took place in the same show!
The opening is just cute, with Pam's little routine that makes Michael feel important. The conversation with Ryan is the *good* kind of Michael Scott cringe humor, and the final "Hi buddy!" made me laugh out loud the first time I saw the episode.
The "Ping Pong Plot" was clearly a showcase for Kelly and Dwight, with Darryl and Jim just along for the ride. And Pam... well, therein lies the flaw of this subplot. I agree with you that Pam seems out of character here, but on the other hand, I'm not sure what would have been in character for her. In my fantasy version of the exchange, Pam would have poker-faced all of Kelly's trash talk, not showing any reaction, and leaving Kelly totally baffled. But that would have defeated the purpose of the B-plot, and frankly that would probably also have been out of character for Pam.
So I'm curious as to what other ideas people may have. What would have been a more "Pam-like" reaction, that still would have allowed for a funny plot line and a ping-pong match?
just found your channel! really enjoying your content! keep it up. :)
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Regarding your comment about the weather: today, in mid-October, it was in the 70s in northeastern Pennsylvania, northern New Jersey, and the NYC area. So on the average it may be a cold season, but we do get our warm days!
It's unseasonably warm where I am right now; but thanks for the insights!
Trivia Answer :
Robert Mifflin MEMORIAL Conference Room
Double winner by the way~ 🏆🏆
@@Mulverine Sounds like Double Jeopardy to me 🤣🤣
Right! Sorry..."Who is you are a double winner by the way~ 🏆🏆"
Emojis that best encapsulate this episode: 😬
This is my favorite episode of the office ever
I would take this one down to a 4/5 because of the B plot. Still an outstanding episode.
Why does Michael have issues with Toby being divorced, but not with Daryl, Meredith or even Jan. On the surface his issue with Toby seems divorce minded, but there has too be a deeper issue.
The theory is that Michael projects a lot of his angst about his parent's divorce on Toby, because Toby is somewhat of an authority figure (works for corporate and can put a dampener on what Michael wants to do), but also because Toby was a child of divorce and yet still went through a divorce.
Jan's divorce was simply opportunity for Michael! 😂 And I'll have to think about Darryl and Meredith.
@@Mulverine i have to add Stanley into the equation too. I think Michael doesn’t like Toby, regardless and uses that as another reason to rip on him. Even Jim had issues with Toby when Michael was gone...I just think it’s Toby, more than Michael’s psychological issues dealing with him parents divorce.
That's totally fair! I love when Jim impersonates Toby in Survivor Man.
Toby is the complete opposite of Michael in just about every way cept maybe the divorce which brings bad mojo anyway. Plus , I think from the very beginning it was one of those special personality clashes that left the audience wondering why MS hates poorToby so much. Like a TV trope from some other shows like Seinfeld not liking Newman.
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I’m stoked!
Really bugged me how Ryan was part of the deposition when it had absolutely nothing to do with him.
I feel like the B plot might have worked better in another episode. It just doesn’t mesh with the stakes of the deposition scenes.
I feel like a more inter-personal B plot would have worked.
Its crazy how fast food is way more expensive than Chinese food now
We know what’s coming next! Great video man
I would read creeds thoughts
Loving the series
I love this episode
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Seriously why was there so many lamps in her house
That made me lol. In fact I showed my wife and she lol’d. Solid observation. So many lights. Everywhere!
That’s sweet,, I’m so glad it made y’all laugh
Notifications made me late! I’m still gonna play along
I just discovered this a day after finishing the office (again) and I love it so much.
And I’m sad Steve Carell answers so negatively to your proposal. My suggestion is to insist, never stop, go to his home and flood his email box, preferably hire a stripper to trick him into coming out
As an attorney who has taken and defended hundreds of depositions, I can’t watch this episode because that’s not how depositions work.
Did you mean *not* how depositions work, or is this now how depositions work? Lol
@@MetalSandman999 Fixed.
I found my roommate's sex diary. Filthiest thing I ever read .
So, it is canon that Michael Scott is bisexual, right?
he's pan sexual he kissed with a gay person
I have a couple of Easter Eggs I'd like to share with you for later episodes & have been looking for more. I'm going to compile a whole list of Easter eggs I've found that hasn't been noticed online.
I can't wait!
Can you do a Field guy on parks and rec or How I met your mother next
One of my top fives!!!
2:14 That's what she said
To be fair, Mulverine, Pam seems off her character for almost this entire season. Which is a huge let down for me. The only thing that I love about this ping-pong subplot is... Drum roll, please: Dwight. Obviously.
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I like this episode but the B plot really is kind of boring.
Hey! Good to hear from one of my oldest commenting subscribers! The B plot just drags this whole thing down, and while making this video I kept wondering if when I put it out there, everyone would just lambast me for not 'getting it'. Maybe it was just that Ping Pong was the best way they wanted to reinforce the back and forth that Michael was going through...that's smart...I should have said that in the video...lol
@@Mulverine Yeah I keep meaning to comment when you put these videos out on Thursday’s but I get so busy I just forget lol. The B plot to me feels like it should be part of another episode at times-it’s just such a weird tonal shift, but I can see why they wanted a funnier/lighter tone compared to the main plot of the deposition.
More like cringey
I hated the ping pong side plot. Especially Kelly.
Who cares about michaels betrayal by Jan
She was trying to win millions of dollars
The fact that mike didn’t remember that or care
I’m surprised Jan stayed with him
I was on jans team on this one
Aka money over family and integrity
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