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- Felt like doing another episode of underrated characters in Smash Ultimate since there are a ton of them. Here's another five that I think deserve way more credit than they get!
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12:09 A lot of people have the same complaint about Street Fighter 6: Most tier lists end in B+ because every single character, even the worst in the game, is a threat you can't underestimate. The worst character in the game is legitimately only on the bottom because *someone* had to be.
Modern fighting games just don't have characters who are so bad that they can't perform at all. They just don't make Melee Bowsers or Third Strike Twelves or Street Fighter 4 Dee Jays or Vampire Savior Anakharis' anymore.
Or brawl ganon
And this is why I don’t get the Melee fan(atic)s. They claim their game is better but it has
A. A bit of an unreasonably high skill floor
B. Fewer viable characters
C. As a result of the above, fewer ways to approach the game
The argument “we don’t have Steve” is dumb, because just as someone has to be the worst, someone has to be the best. And PMLG (and in many cases Steve entirely) is banned anyways.
Not my boy Twelve, he's been through enough already
@@dogboyton3166as far as I can tell, 99% of melee players don’t think melee is “better” than ultimate, they think both games are the best versions of smash we’ve had so far. Which to be fair, makes sense, ultimate is clearly the most balanced smash game by a lot, but melee also has had a constantly evolving meta game, even if only half the cast is “viable”. Yeah the skill ceiling is absolutely insane, but that’s part of what makes it a great competitive game, people love optimizing shit, and when that’s really hard it’s also really rewarding
@@dogboyton3166 but melee doc is so cool
So a thing about Corrin that nobody talks about. She has the fastest Dash shield in the game at frame 7. This might be the reason why Sonix said Corrin sonic is even while Ken said it's a losing MU for Sonic.
As a Shulk main, he can be very volatile. He can destroy you or be destroyed in seconds. But Shulk should never lose to Ganon, just wall him out and abuse speed art. Love your content Vars!
Shulk doesnt really autowin tbh. He doesnt really have any autowin +2 matchups except Doc. So he can win against anyone, but also lose to anyone
@@benross9174 Personally I think has more +2 matchups like Ganon, Bowser, Kirby, Puff, even Olimar but you have to play safe and slow and in advantage go all out. Shulk is not top 10 now as he once was but he is very underrated by most top players, top tier certainly imo.
Major vs. Fizzmint:
@@InstaFiz yeah exactly, Fizzmint fucked up
Shulk dominated sm4sh he’s one of those characters next to Rosalina that kinda dropped off the radar but is still really gross his combo game is like mythra it’s crazy just recovery kinda makes u coast on using jump a lot more then it’s available thoe
Always been saying this: "there's 30 or more top 15 characters"
It's just how the game is balanced and people need to get over ranking characters one after another. Mid and even low tier is tournament viable.
Tier list don't even determine viability to begin with, Ike has won a major, incineroar and mii gunner came close
5:43 I’m and Eric who plays Marth and my heart stopped for a second when this came up, totally caught me off guard.
I've been playing Marth a lot recently and my GOD he's actually monstrous. He's ridiculous at edgeguards and kills so early with tipper back air off stage. Definitely underrated.
Tipper f-tilt kills at about 100 for pretty much all of the cast except the superheavies at ledge, and he has so many options for putting people into bad situations towards ledge or offstage, pretty good juggling, and the option to kill at like 40 from either a tipper fsmash or side b. He may have definitely needed some buffs throughout the game’s lifespan, but he is nowhere near a bad character. I honestly think fully optimized he’s better than chrom and lucina
@@stoneraptor6219 I don't think he's as good as a fully optimised Chrom but I definitely think a fully optimised and perfectly spaced Marth is better than
Lucina.
FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT.
12:21 this is why tier lists are flawed. Because assigning a direct numerical value would be effective. If we say Steve and Kazuya are 9.8’s, we could say Lucina is a 8.0, and Marth a 7.5. Weighing their moves, frame data, kill power, recovery, arial speed, etc, could be a much better ranking system for Ultimate. From there you can decide tiers based on a weighted system, such as “if gannondorf is rated a 6.0, and Steve is rated a 9.8, then the numbers inbetween 6 and 9.8 are considered mid tier”
My goodness, THANK you Vars. Been saying everything you said about Marth for years. NO way he can be that much lower than Lucy. He just takes a very specific mindset to pull off consistently. I'm not very good, so it's insanely difficult to nail the timing and minutia Marth needs. But some times, I'm just feeling it, and almost no character gives me difficulty when I'm in that zone. It's just so hard to stay in the zone with him, since almost all of his hits have such terrible hit stun.
I play lucina cuz I feel it nerfs marth XD it’s marth with no tip my friend says
I love this video series of yours because of how passionate you are in presenting your opinions!
NGL, hearing Vars 3 say "Fuck you you're character is broken" in a voice almost entirely indistinguishable from his professional tone is hilarious
Anyone else remember when corrin was badish back then. And then the buffs came in. Good lord it felt good being a corrin player 😂
As a Bayonneta main I agree she is underrated. She has glaring weaknesses, but people in general think shes bad just because it isn't smash 4.
She's regarded as a high tier recently.
@@Eggss_BDabuz thinks she could be higher than that
She’s very hard to play and be consistent with. However, on a good day, she is a beast.
@@ivanzamorano3525 Fun Fact: The final hit of her jab can ignore shields. No other characters has this.
@@orangeslash1667 Fun Fact: You can roll behind her with frame 1 invulnerability after the 11th hit on shield. (This applies to any rapid jab)
Fun Fact 2: Bayonetta’s jab finisher has the biggest end lag of all the jabs and one of the biggest endlags of ANY MOVE in the whole game. (AT 50 FRAMES NO LESS, KRools massive infamous endlag on his UpAir has 52 frames for comparison)
Considering she doesn’t finish it at the exact moment you roll behind her, the 11 frame startup of the final hit and average human reaction of 15 frames (76 frames total) you can roll behind and Warlock Punch or charge a Smash Attack halfway on her face and she’ll still be stuck on endlag lmao.
Getting hit by the last hit of it on shield is literally a choice.
Fun Fact 3: It doesn’t magically “ignore shields” it sometimes shield pokes. Just tilt your shield to avoid that. But you shouldn’t ever be in that situation anyways.
Fun Fact 4: Second slowest jab in the entire game
Fun Fact 5: Not counting the first 3 and last hit, it does 23 hits on shield. You can roll halfway through. If she commits to the whole thing and you learned your MU against her. She should die at like 70% or less with almost any character for doing her rapid jab on your shield.
I first saw Corrin in some fan art but didn’t know who they were cuz I had never played Fates. When I played Ultimate on a friend’s switch, I recognized Corrin and only played them. Now I have Ultimate for myself and Corrin is one of my mains
Corrin represents the Fire Emblem manaketes, people that can turn into dragons. Corrin is not like the others, but I don't think they can transfer well into Smash??
Hero is very underrated and I’m glad people are starting to realize this now. I do disagree that his normals are bad. They have unique uses that aren’t clear at face value. For example, down tilt and up air are heavily underrated, while forward tilt is pretty overrated because of it’s fraudulent i-frames. A lot of moves like these and his other normals are what change matchups to be favorable in tandem with his specials. Hero has some of the best air to airs in the entire game while having faster ground speed than Mario, a good matchup spread on every meta relevant character besides rob, one of the best up b’s out of shield, and extremely good tools like LSK, buffs, zoom, neutral b, etc., that were mostly stated.
Hard to believe he was even discussed to be banned at tourneys just cuz “he too luck based and took no skill”
ngl i think marth and captain falcon are easily the most underrated characters in the game
8:00 - Basically this. Marth and Lucina share way too much with each other for just Tipper alone to make that big of a difference in viability. The Tipper is does make Marth worse then Lucina, but not that much worse.
Also, as Pink Fresh mentioned in one of the recent Tweek Talks, the margin where Marth and Lucina are netting kills is not that big and Marth has the potential to kill earlier, so that's not much of a drawback for him either
Something I'd argue for both marth and lucina though is that maintaining advantage is alot more important now than constantly winning neutral,especially marth since his sour/sweet spots make combos harder(at least lucina can reliably up tilt up air) and he basically has to read you 5 years in advance to take a stock first.Their range is also not that impressive freaking sonic has bigger hitboxes and he has like 5 moves with negative disjoints.A character that supposedly lacks range can keep up with their range.
@@ahmadkazan5473Maintaining advantage especially with Marth isn't hard though considering he's fast on the ground and floaty enough to be able to edgeguard deep.
I recently picked him up and I never thought it was hard to maintain advantage against people.
@@ahmadkazan5473 I know of disjoints, but what on Earth is a negative disjoint?
Thank you for the Kirby representation we need every bit of it
I love these
Thx Vars
Smash forever
Y'all wanna know who're underrated? The Mii fighters. I never really hear about them unless it's about being able to play as Shaggy or anything like that lol
as someone who traumatized my friends with bayonetta, i can say she’s underrated with a passion😂❤
The difference in strength between Aegis and Lucario in Ultimate is unironically smaller than the gap between Meta Knight and Diddy Kong in Brawl.
Doctor Mario is underrated imo. People only refuse to use him because of his bad recovery.
The problem with calling these characters underrated is that you could argue that almost any character below b tier and maybe even a tier is underrated just because the cast is so well balanced.
I think Kirby is right where he belongs because he CAN'T trade with anyone. Because his specials are so trash, Kirby throws out stubs and feet and the problem with that is because they are not disjointed enough because of all of the swordies, he gets put in situations where he trades blows but Kirby is too light for that.
Looking at that tier list at 0:56, all my characters are low tier. I play Ridley, Piranha Plant, Villager, K. Rool, and Mewtwo. No wonder I can't get elite Smash.
Elite is easy to get into if you are good enough, if you have trouble then watch pros and stick with a main so you inevitably improve and get into elite by learning from the pro
Vars: "another underrated character is hero."
Hero: The first character they considered banning in ultimate
As a Corrin main i believe their biggest downfall is their lack consistency for finishing a stock at least thats what struggle with
Funny how I mained lucina in sm4sh bcuz of her render in sm4sh (I played sm4sh on the 3ds, which I unfortunately bought right before nintendo revealed project nx to be the switch)
Same goes with ssbu where I mained marth bcuz of his render in ssbu
I honestly think Toon Link is criminally underrated, hes not amazing or anything but hes got good range, good neutral, great projectiles, a myriad of confirms, a good recovery, decent combos, he just has so much but people just play Link or Young link. Give my cartoony boy some more love
And I also think Sheik, Robin, Sephiroth, K rool, and mii sword fighter/gunner are underrated too
Ever seen New York locals?
People play Toon Link WAYYY more than regular Link.
My region had like 4 Toon Links for every Link/Young Link.
Also Toon Link has more results too
uh I think your information is a bit outdated compared to the start of competitive smash ultimate.
Toon link has the fastest movement out of the 3 links, as people got better at this game, faster characters tend to do way better than the slower ones. One of the Toon link currently has the best competitive results out of all 3 links.
Regular link has fallen off the most competitively the most.
For me Toon Link its pretty hype and my favorite Link by far
Lmfao I was playing smash with 2 kids one was a toon link main the other complete tier list nerd U HAVE TO PLAY YOUNG LINK that’s how u get results my friend n I laugh dude this is Ult almost anyone’s viable there is very little young link n toon link do different it’s just up to your play style toon link is my fave to fight of the links if only they made young links moveset more like majoras mask but yah any link can do good but toon links design and what not is my fave I still remember unlocking his stage n him in brawl & just how cool that was to one of my friends whose fave game was wind waker
Rather than looking at how lucina and marth are similar, look at how they are different. Marth has very different killing options than lucina which makes his matchup against various opponents different.
Also i wouldn't say their throw game is good. Down throw stops comboing fairly early, somewhere around 40-50% if i recall. All of their throws do less than 5%. Back and foward throws have pretty generic launch angles being kind of too high to really force anything. Up throw doesn't kill till about 195% if i remember correctly. If it wasn't for shield breaker, they would really struggle to pressure shield and that's still a frame 19 move at best.
Gotta have Greninja in part 3
Many charictars below a teir are underatted in general. Them people r surprised when they win.
Also *VLLAGER VIDEO* when?
I picked up corrin and bayonetta not too long ago but mostly cuz of female corrin voice is badass
The English or Japanese one?? The JP one is Corrin 100% hentai. XD
@@hakirayleigh English for sure 🤣🙏🏾
@@Morbius-Tension The actress is Marcella Pope, she's also Jin from Avatar the Last Air Bender, Moria from Resident Evil Revelations 2, and Vera from Super man vs the Elite.
Nice video, but I can't agree with Kirby out of bottom 10. I don't care how good your a button is if it's so difficult to land them. He's just too slow and his attacks aren't nearly big enough to reach his opponents, doesn't matter how fast they are if you can't get into position. Not to mention his terrible special moves. And his complete lack of endurance. He need to be a touch of death character with these attributes and he's not in the slightest. I can't justify more than 10 characters being worse than him.
Marth is genuinely one of the best swordies in the game imo, just a much better lucina
I think people think too low of Bowser. I believe that he should be between top 20-35. He has losing matchups, but there aren't many and those mu(S) aren't impossible. He loses to Steve, Peach, Joker, and maybe GnW. Bowser has one of the best initial dashes in the game. Not only that, he's also speedy in the air. All tilts have invincibility on them, making them disjointed.
Let's talk about characters he wins, matchup wise. Because of his mobility and good range, he beats characters such as swordfighters, Fox, Wolf, Falco, Mario, Min Min, and more. He goes even against Sonic, Yoshi, Kazuya, Diddy, Mega man, ZSS, Falcon, and more.
His shield pressure is godly. Side B's frame 6 both on the ground and airborne, while having a lot of killing power. You also have fair for spacing. As far as I'm concerned, he can also 0-death his opponent when there's a platform above him
I love marth, always have and always will. That being said people always want to defends this character for being underrated. Die on that hill if you want but I think he is justifiably placed. On paper there doesn’t seem like much reason to place him so much lower then lucina, most everything is the same except for consistent hitboxes vs tippers, except that’s not how it usually goes. There’s this problem marth has no one seems to mention that he can struggle in first 30-40% of a stock if he isn’t hitting tippers. It’s very easy to get thrown just outside Marty’s range from an attack and come back to attack him from that attacks end lag. The moves that don’t have tippers have less hitstun as well as don’t move your opponent as far. I think the best example of this is uptilt. It’s not hard with lucina to start at 0 with uptilts and get an up air in to finish the combo. Marth if I start with uptilt and hit sour spots I sometimes have to disengage from the fight, to avoid a revenge hit, and that’s just one example. At low percentage if the marth is not careful and one of his normals won’t send far enough, or do enough hitstun that he can be attacked right after.
I have enjoyed Kirby since smash 64, his very fun and strong! Definitely not bottom tier, great video overall!
A lot of characters are good, but the reasons they are good are often just not fun to play on either side, like hero, minmin and to a lesser extent most Pokémon
I strongly disagree that having 50 mid tiers “defeats the purpose” of a tier list. Having arbitrary cutoffs is actually far worse. If there are 50 characters around the same level, it’s disingenuous and misleading to divide them up as though they’re not all about equal. “There are 40 top 20 characters” isn’t just a funny joke. It’s an acknowledgment of the fact that trying to forcibly restrict tiers is an effort in futility and paints an inaccurate picture of the game. Ultimate is the most well balanced Smash game by a mile and I think most tier lists don’t represent that well at all. As far as I’m concerned, each tier should be as big as it needs to be.
This is why I am starting to like ESAM's new tier lists. I might not agree with everything he says but he doesn't just put a fixed number of characters in each tier slot.
How are people rating my boy incin *THIS* low???
I feel like he has stupidly good moves and good matchups against basically everything that doesn't play like sonic
All of Kirby's specials are middle fingers
Down is a killer for certain low recovery
Side is just insulting and hilarious
Neutral is...
Up is also semi-bs but much more used since its a recovery
2 of my mains ( Corrin and Hero) are here! Lol
I do think Ike is underrated because he s slow but damn when he got you he got you
Lucas for sure
Waiting for Smash 6 to turn Steve into an underrated character
Zelda is massively underrated imo.
As a marth and Kirby main, thank you, thank you sooooo much there's no way Kirby is bottom five and marth needs to be like high mid tier maybeeee low a tier
Video Idea: Are Spirits worth using?
As in a competitive setting or something else?
I've had some fun matches with spirits but there are some that definitely outclass the others
@@Mastergengar As a Whole I Guess
They kinda suck, Either a match becomes far too ridiculous to have fun, or one character counterpicks the spirits the other player uses, causing the spirits to pretty much cancel each other out
plus unlocking them would be way too much for tournament organizers
Y E 😊
Im sorry but no! I know that the tail hitbox exists but you cannot convince me that mewtwo is C tier.
Hmmmmm why no one plays DK video suggestion?
I main 3/5 of them but im not that good at it
I think Mewtwo is a little underrated. Easy to hit and kill? Yes. But Mewtwo can also kill very well too. Disable can offer a free KO in some cases, and I have managed to hit it more than you would think possible. It’s basically a smash attack call out but less obvious. Shadow Ball, while being a charge shot clone, is really useful in neutral, and while the tail hit boxes lose to projectiles 10/10 times, as well as disjoints, forward tilt has a lot of power and back air is really good as a rising aerial. Oh, and those rising aerials. They provide unique ways to hit your opponent that few, if any at all, characters can replicate. Overall, while I’m not saying Mewtwo isn’t C tier, he does have great and unique tools to help him out, and that’s why I’m a part time Mewtwo main (I’m usually Joker, though)
It used to be op in 4 but now it fell off again like in melee
I'd like to nominate the following characters for the title of underrated as well: Toon Link, Mewtwo, Meta Knight
Can you make game play video
Rosa is so underrated! No matter how good dabuz does with the character people still consider her mid tier. Leo picks up Byleth and people who previously called him mid tier say that he's broken. The Bayos start to perform well, she's no longer mid tier. Like even corrin, after smashcon people are saying he is no longer mid tier. Like seriously, Rosa has been doing well for so long yet people still call her mid tier. People say she has a bad disadvantage, but so does Byleth, Corrin, and cloud. People just say dabuz carries her. It is true that Dabuz carries her, but even he does not use Rosa to her fullest potential and that's saying something. In the earlier days of ultimate where he still did really well with Rosa, he barely used any of her tech. Even now especially on his trip to Japan, he's discovering new stuff for Rosa and he is performing so well. There is still so much stuff yet to be optimized for her.
She looks so out of place in the official tier list. If you look at every character in the B tier, she either beats or goes even with except hero, chrom, and corrin. Even if you look at the A- tier you see the same pattern. She beats or goes even with everyone there. Even if you look at A+ tier, the only 2 matchups she definitively loses are ZSS and Wario, both of which are doable.
She even does really well against many of the top tiers. She beats Rob, Peach, Wolf, diddy, min min, Pac man, and game and watch. She goes even with Pika, Sonic, Joker, Kazuya, Snake, and Steve.
She is criminally underrated and deserves at least A- tier.
Peach, Wolf, Diddy, and Pac-Man are even. Min Min, Joker, Snake, Kazuya, and Steve are losing for her.
You're overrating her mus. While I do think she's good, her mu chart ain't that good.
There is no way she does even with steve.
That character is as broken as he can be
@@mrpineapple7666 She does go even with Steve as surprising as it might be.
She has the ability to break blocks while staying safe with luma. Steve struggles to approach her because he doesn’t good mobility or range. She has down b to absorb anvil, so she has decent juggling and edgeguarding vs Steve. Steve can struggle a lot vs her if she has the lead. That being said, Steve is broken and has a lot of cheese. Rosa also doesn’t have the best answer for Minecart and solo Rosa can’t do much if she doesn’t have the lead.
Disadvantage as Bayonetta is a choice
While I agree absolutely that these characters are underrated. I feel that in Corrin situation their uncommon usage is what makes them a bit better. Once people learn how to fight Corrin better and really camp them out, it’ll be a little worse. Also Kirby is BS because of crouch alone.
I’ve given up on Hero, yeah he can cheese wins but in a competitive environment where you need consistency, that character is asscheeks
I have no idea if you’d ever look at other games like omega strikers
Or heck just do a short set of meta analysis videos for something like risk of rain2
Tho the TH-cam algorithm only like you making one type of content
Honkai soundtrack lol
Villager is easily an underrated character. Don't sleep on a good Villager.
Do a vid on Pac-Man
Where is Mii brawler
Discord notification moment
poor eric
Bayonetta just lacks good kill options
Fun Fact: The final hit of her jab can ignore shields. No other characters has this.
I agree about Kirby. He is a sleeper character that nobody expects to have to practice against, but if you dont know what to expect you can end up dying to mutliple kinds of cheese and combo strings. Playing against him requires you to be familiar, but there are 50 other mains before you'll play the 1 good Kirby main. The difference in preparation means the Kirby guy has probably fought your main more than you've fought his.
Luweegee
I'd rather prefer the Bayonetta meta over the filthy degenerate Steve meta.
(Know what I mean)
I disagree.
I feel the most underrated is Piranha Plant
What about Jigglypuff!?
Glad to see someone give a fair and balanced review of Bayonetta & Hero for SSBU.
And i still believe that Steve & Sonic are OVERRATED. 😤
Is Kirby's U+sp good?
Kirby is best fighter.
Whys Lucina better than marth? Consistency. Why’s shulk a bad character? He was designed to be inconsistent
Marth is so underrated, and plus, i think he is way more fun to play than lucina
I think Jigglypuff is underrated too
Zelda is def underrated
Nah, Zelda sucks.
Once you learn the matchup, it's hard for zelda to do anything against most of the cast.
Can you imagine Kirby with hero’s specials ....
I agree with every character on this list besides Kirby. Kirby is absolute garbage. He’s literally the only character in this game with no speed , range, projectile or raw power ( Gannon donkey Kong, K rool, etc)
I'd even say fighters like piranha plant ice climbers and bowser Jr r also underrated
T.L.D.R, Brawler is better than Mario, due to having a better neutral because movement stats and burst options, better recovery from specials, better advantage because higher damage moves and more powerful/applicable kill moves, and better disadvantage because poor man's flip kick and fall speed.
Mii Brawler, easy sure on the official tier list he is 37. But just for comparison, look at Mario the 21st character on that list a whole 16 spots above. Hot take Mii brawler is better Mario and Fox. Starting with Mario, Mii Brawler is more mobile and has better burst options and combo tools so he is better in neutral. Each Brawler hit does 2-3% more base damage than Mario and has more range so he can trade more often and does better going blow for blow despite being a combo heavy character. Looking at individual moves, Jab and smash attacks don't matter, you could say Brawler is better or Mario depending on what you value.
But then we get to tilts, F-tilt Brawlers is bigger and does 1-1.5% more damage (depending on angle) at the cost of 1 frame of start up and end lag. Up-tilt, same frame data, but brawler starts lower and combos better also .5% more damage. D-tilt is two frames slower but does 1-3% more damage (Mario sweet/sourspot) both have the same total frames. Both dash attacks are frame 6, Mario lingers longer and can hit ledge hang, but covers less space and does 3% less on the strong hit.
Onto aerials, Nair is self-explanatory they are the same move but Brawler has more damage and better knockback for combo and kill use. I choose to ignore Fair and Dair because they are different enough to not be compared, in short Mario Fair spike Brawler Fair multi-hit combo move, and Mario Dair, multi-hit combo ender Brawler Dair spike. Next is Bair and I get into the argument of in the context of a kit, Brawler needs Bair to be that normal that kills, so does Mario but Mario gets a fast but relatively weak move with low range, Brawler gets a bigger move with more damage and kill power that can be comboed into at kill percent. In a vacuum Mario's is better in practice Brawler's is more useful. Mario's Up-air is just better though, sure Brawler does more damage and can confirm it into kills at a wider range of percents but look at Mario's combo game and tell me that up-air is not at least half of it.
As for specials, I will only pick the ones I believe are the best for each move type, we don't need to hear that Mario fireball is better than a falcon punch move. Neutral-B is flashing mach punch, a frame 10 kill move that does 22.6% and can be comboed into, while staling you in the air to give minor recovery/landing mix. Creates a 50-50 tech chase akin to Fox up-smash but better if you have rage since it scale with rage better, also being a scary move that is unsafe on shield pressures the opponent to shield at higher percents. Fire ball is good to cover some approaches but it won't do much beyond that. Side-b is a command grab that does 22.6% which makes people not want to shield so you can land FMP or a landing aerial, and has no lag if you do it at a certain height from the ground, think of it like a version of Ike quick draw. Can give you a few angles of recovery since it goes about roll distance and has a instant ledge snap above brawler. Verses a reflector that inverses left/right controls and momentum for a short time. BDK is also better being a spamable recover tool that goes far, worth mention since many people think that move is better. Thrust Uppercut is just better super jump punch, same frame data, but bigger hitbox, more damage, goes higher, and kills earlier (both in combos and raw out of shield). Mario Down special is a situational gimp tool, Brawler has bad flip kick, which is still good.
With the combination of traits above you have a better recovery because Thrupper goes further and is harder to challenge, and you have feint jump (sometimes BDK as well) to mix up low and high recovery attempts which Mario can't. You have better neutral from being more mobile and having bigger, but not much slower, buttons. Your abundance of random kill options means that you need to win neutral less than Mario, and the higher damage without the drop of combo complexity means you get them to kill percent faster and easier giving you a better advantage state. Your ability to change your aerial momentum with FMP, BDK, or Feint Jump, in addition to your fall speed gives you a better disadvantage and easier time landing.
Side note Brawler is a bit heavier and falls faster so is more resistant to vertical kills and lives longer, this fact is amplified by the fact Feint jump cancels all aerial momentum so buffering it out of hitstun from a kill move can have you survive 5-10% later.
I already typed multiple paragraphs here so I won't talk about Fox because that one is a lot more difficult to argue since there are less move that Brawler copies just better, and that Fox is much better than Mario.
I do believe Fox is top five and better than Mario, but Mii Brawler is definitely not top tier.
@@kailesperance1922 Okay Fox is great and all but top 5 is something else, you got Steve, Pika, Joker, Agies, Kazuya, and Sonic. I guess you put Fox over Joker or Sonic and Kazuya.
Even if I 100% stood by the Brawler > Fox argument it would be something like Fox at 8 Brawler at 7, if the character is better it is by the slimiest of margins to the point of being worse due to exaction complexity (tournament consistency).
But why would Brawler not be top tier? What major weakness or stack of small weaknesses holds him back in your opinion? I would guess the lack of an overwhelming speed advantage like Fox while still having the issue of stubby attacks. Also where would they go then, somewhere in high tier, or tossed into the hell of "mid" tier?
I personally think heros Side B is better then every single one of his down B moves
His Down B as a whole is far better, they're such a big array of options that give him control in the match like bounce accelerate psyche-up oomph zoom, without those options hero would be way too basic and easy to beat.
@@2000Doriyas but problem with those is that it's all luck based, but idk, I barely keep up with competitive, so I am gonna assume ur right cause I don't like arguing things that idk much about without actual research.............unlike most people who think something, then just assume there right, and then go in internet then shit on people cause there to introverted to say that to there face, on things that are probaly wrong
Just watch a few matches of Hero in tournament and you'll see how consistent it can be to get any of those menu buffs and spells, they'll start to condition the opponent to come at you just for pulling up menu and the mixups ensue. @@treasure9342
The only problem I have with this video is vars calling Kirby dair decent, that move violates half the cast recovery’s and combos. But overall great video vars keep it up
Steve is still underrated
He is not S+ Tier he is S.teve tier. When you have to ban tech from a character that's just beyond unfair
Isabelle is underrated!
marth broken
captions are super inaccurate. corn? hiro? the markers , where it segments parts, inaccurate too. the youtuber, has no clue what he is doing!
Kirby has crazy combo game, he still has Grab hat combos from sm4sh beyo has always been a threat especially with the buffs so many people r like your dumb if u think she’s good glad this clarified that. Everyone u mentioned Jr robin, lucario puff Isabelle, banjo, Lucas very underrated for no reason my friend who plays like every competitive fighting game would argue jr is top 20 after buffs
Wait is Sora broken? Why I thought he was bad
Watch some sora matches, he’s crazy
F hero
Bayo deserved to be bottom tier.
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@@AlmondMilkLake You're damn right lol.
@@Joker938 Fun Fact: The final hit of her jab can ignore shields. No other characters has this.
@@orangeslash1667No, she cant
@@ErTitoLewis89 I only tested it on CPUs, so maybe they couldn't hold shield???
characters are not underrated, if they are not played they are just bad. disliked