Philippines Denies Any ‘New Model’ Agreed With China for Second Thomas Shoal | Taiwan Talks EP368
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 มิ.ย. 2024
- Beijing announced it has reached a ‘new agreement’ with Manila over resupply missions to Second Thomas Shoal, a claim denied by Philippine officials. Romeo Brawner, Chief of Staff of the Philippine Armed Forces, said Beijing may be using a deepfake to fabricate the audio it plans to release, allegedly between a Chinese diplomat and a Philippine military official. In this episode of Taiwan Talks, we discuss China’s attempts to shift the narrative on the disputed territories, the diplomatic implications, and increasing pressures in the South China Sea and Taiwan Strait.
Our guests are:
Chong Ja lan
- National University of Singapore Department of Political Science Associate Professor
Wang Kai-chun (Steven)
- Office of R.O.C. Legislator Hsu Chiao-hsin Foreign Policy Advisor
Timecode:
Chapters:
00:00:00 - Introduction
00:00:51- China’s ‘New Agreement’ With Philippines
00:06:32 - Gentleman’s Agreement and Chinese Credibility
00:09:09 - China Demands for ‘5 Stops’ From Philippines
00:13:48 - Balikatan Drills Sink Chinese-Made Ship
00:15:06 - China Calls for Stop to Foreign Provocations
00:16:36 - Philippines Ups Defense Alertness
00:19:14 - China Sends 11 Vessels Into Taiwan’s Waters
00:21:30 - Efficacy of China's Disinformation Campaigns
PRCs mantra: "tell lies until you yourself believe on the lies"
Just like thier puppet duh tah eh
Only Philippine President have the power to make an agreement. And any agreement without approval of congress is illegal.
You are talking about the Philippines here the most corrupt country in Asia.
That agreement is not a valid one unless China managed to show us a copy of it signed by both parties and backed by the previous Duterte Administration.
If they can't, it remains a hearsay.
Taiwan and the Philippines should establish a more robust defense cooperation ties.. especially on arms manufacturing.
we all know that Chinese will not win... but they are funny to watch.... they were like all artist which is a funny artist 😅
U believe tiny phillipin and the debt country in the World USA can win.. Wkwkwkwkwk
According to Philippine law only the president can negotiate when it comes to national sovereignty. Why bother negotiating with generals.
If that agreement do exist its against our constitution so we cannot possibly agree to that. Thank you
That's agreement must be du30 and China Government
@@java1221-sv7bh Yeah you are right and not whole Pilipinos.
@@java1221-sv7bhthe new model agreement is between a Chinese envoy and the commander of westcom who had taken a leave,
And it could not be binding becoz an officer of the military cannot make an agreement in behalf of the Phil govt, only the president can enter into an agreement
Various ph government agencies have been asking for such recording but only the supposedly dialog but only transcript was released to the media not even to the proper channel. This is quite obvious a fabrication for China to sway those nation who are still not siding to our claim. Again Philippines haven't given up any part of our EEZ. It's CCP that's playing dirty, lying, coercion, threatening to prevent them recognizing what's lawfully declared by UNCLOS. CCP is still holding on the foregone history. PRC are really delulu...🥴
@@user-en8pm7zr5i So what action was given to the Westcom Commander? For Treason! Just a Leave of Absence? Or all was forgiven and forgotten?
China is funny want to assert their baseless claims
Do you not understand what this guy is saying? There is an agreement. You lots just try to lie out of it
@@davidlee8375 there is no agreement between the Philippines and the PRC regarding the issue and this so called agreement is a fabricated drama just spread confusion to the people of the Philippines and destabilize the ranks of the Philippine government officials also this so called gentlemans agreement of the previous administration of the Philippines there no written document to justify if there is real agreement
Their still in the process of moving on ..cant accept the facts that their claims on the 9dash line was rejected....hope one day you'll accept ..the more u resist the painfull it is😂🤣😂
5 stops should be applied to china itself..who are you to tell us what to do..that's belongs to philippines..😂
Right👍👍
philippines and taiwan should work together.
Why should they work together. Taiwan has the same claims as China. The difference is that Taiwan are a bunch of hypocrites they just go against China every time they can.
pH and Taiwan must Work Out Shoulder to Shoulder exercises too. Balikatan!!!! To Booster military capabilities.
Also Taiwan claims the whole West Philippine sea and some Island in Batanes😂
@@hafizmakiglalis4380only West Taiwan said it
The recording is fake. Its from china what do you guys expect?
All nations should abide and obey international law not own law
Taiwan has been civil with its own claims and could be reasoned with. Truly dignified, while the other country prefer tactics that disrespect the rule of international law and formal agreements. The Philippines and Taiwan could actually reach an agreement without ever resorting to an escalation that will disturb regional stability.
#AtinIto!!!🇵🇭
#ChEXIT!!🙅🏼♂️
#TruthMustPrevail!!!⚖️
The condition of the rust bucket is so bad. I think it's beyond economic repair.
recording?
or AI generated?
china built 7 artificial islets with in Philippine waters..China illegally inters Philippine sovereign rights..
Chinese had well perceived us Filipinos as so hesitant of confrontation because of us trying to avoid war, but they were taking it as seems we were totally afraid of them. But if my countrymen truly live with the genuine meaning of our National Anthem: "🎼Chosen Land, You are the cradle of the brave, To the conquerors You shall never be oppressed.... To die because of you.🎵🎶". The true heart and mindset of then Filipino Heroes before... The reality is if we fight back... they may think twice because surely, the Chinese don't want to go to war as well... They also fear our "Mutual Defence Treaty with the war mightiness of the USA and allied nations who are ready to support us. If I am a local fisherman or even the PCG personnel or the Philippine Navy personnel, and the Chinese will arrest me, I would rather die fighting than be detained and treated badly as a hostage by these abusive Chinese soldiers. I remember then when I was sailing as 2nd Marine Engineer in a tanker vessel. We had a few incidents of confrontations with Somalian Pirates. I told myself then that if we did not fortify our defenses and fight these savage sea criminals, we would die after all in miserable treatment in hunger, sickness, and agony of pain caused by their vicious punishment of us. So before we reached the pirate-infested area, we were all vigilant and ready to defend ourselves by perfecting our drills and facilitating burb wires fences and improvised weapons aside from a powerful water cannon on board to deter them from climbing up the high height of our ships hull. This Chinese Communist Party and their PLA are already abusively below the belt with this threat of detention they were trying to implement against us. Vietnamese, Indonesians, and even Indians were fighting back but they couldn't do anything...
Hague tribunal decision is final.no agreement to be made again
Dear Yin Khvat could you have these two gentlemen be your guest analyst more often? Their analysis is so sensible aside from the fact that their English is clear and easy to understand.
Filipino is a legal owner reef and islands in WPS china is tresspasing.
STOP STOP STOP chinese survey ship in EAST PHILIPPINE SEA AND WEST PHILIPPINE SEA, PHILIPPINES. UNCLOS.
They just put the deal on their lying tongue!!
What gives China the right to tell another country what that country can do inside its territorial waters. China is sounding like a bad HOA in the States.
Chinese have their own vision on what is great world must be, but Philippines have also vision on what is thier Rights.
China wants peace it will be settled to respect the international law. Law guide for peace and order to all nation
Bruh "New Model" Agreement??? No one in the Philippines can do that because of our law. That is illegal to us
Do not intimidate Filipinos to war. 🙂
According to Philippines Law. Only the president can negotiate in behalf of the country and it should not be a secret agreement.
DUTERTE confirmed.... That he had a gentleman's agreement during his term
Of all the drama that i have watched so far this is the most phenomenal chinas really knows how to execute comedy ..and as we watched it we laughed at them..😂😂😂...their being paranoid
how comes manila and beijing agreed new model ? Scarborough shoal is with in Philippine waters...What kind of country is this china, is china above the law??
Only the Philippine president is allowed to enter an agreement. This Chinese diplomats who claimed about this agreement is in violation of the illegal wiretapping law of the Philippines. And diplomats should not participate in such acts which is grounds for their expulsion from the country.
very interesting and good analysis.
So Taiwan gave up the claim to South China Sea's island and gave it up to Phillipines???
only West Taiwan still claiming it😂
Love to hear PRc
Let's gets started shall we?
Carlo is not authorized by Law to make foreign policy of the Philippines but only the president of the Philippines .
If that chinese envoy would present the so called tel calls, then that envoy is violating our anti wire tapping law and hence he could be deported and declared persona non grata,
Also the envoy can only negotiate with his counterpart (hence it would be from the department of foreign affairs) and not go directly to the field coz it is illegal
China???👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣were are you xi jing..U.S. IS THE BIG BOSS OF THE WORLD...
THE SEAS AND TRADE ROUTES OF MADAM WONG DESCENDANT OF HUANG CAO
5 stop must apply to china,stop invading Philippines territory,stop being bully,stop spreading lies,stop provoking pilipino to hate them,stop making troubles in the Philippines
The "new model agreement" is as bogus as the nine dash line
Its starting
All democratic nation should unite against demogog
There is nothing new in it.
Filipinos soldiers will have to fight for Taiwan and accept escaping refugees during a on going ccp invasion.
Can the Taiwanese press even at least have the moral strength to defend our Philippines through your supportive narratives against our common aggressor.
Daily dose of comedy brought to you by the CCP.
Lol Chinese are funny
China needs to follow the international rules and laws. Because nobody on that island you wanna illegally trespass and occupy in it is not right
Just to avoid the escalation China needs to packing up and get out in the island that their squatting in WPS
I think this channel is leaning to PROC's lies. Hahahahaha its very sad. You didn't research much ahahhaahha
More power to you Philippines.
The US knows full well the history & causes of the South China Sea issue. If it truly wants to see peace & stability in the South China Sea,it should stop condoning & abetting the Philippines' provocation of attempting to build a permanent outpost on the uninhabited reef, in violation of its DOC ommitment.
BTW, when will the US ratify UNCLOS?
Who is disrupting peace and stability in the South China Sea?
Different ways to manage disputes in South China Sea
China:
Resolve differences through dialogue.
Maintain peace & stability.
Exercise restraint & show goodwill.
Send coast guard ships in response.
The Philippines:
Break its commitments
Play victim after provocation
Collude with the US to contain China
Deliberately strand a frigate for 25 years
Five things to know about the China-Philippines
Q1. Who has sovereignty over Ren'ai Jiao (Reef)?
China has Indisputable Sovereignty over Nansha Qundao (Archipelago), including Ren'ai Jiao (Reef), and the adjacent waters. This has been established in the long course of history and is Consistent With Internatienal Law including the UN Charter.
Q2. Why are the "awards" of the South China Sea arbitration illegal, null and void?
The South China Sea arbitration was Unilaterally Initiated by the Philippines, focused on territorial Issues Not Subject to UNCLOS.
The arbitral tribunal exercised jurisdiction ultra vires, Erred in applying the Law, and Violated the principle of state Consent, UNCLOS and general International Law.
Simply put, Neither the UNCLOS Nor the arbitral tribunal Has the Right to determine territorial sovereignty, not to mention that the Philippines Only filed an arbitration application unilaterally (it is Legal Only if Both Parties Jointly), which does not have the legitimacy of arbitration at all.
Q3. Who has repeatedly broken commitments?
The Philippines promised to tow away ASAP the warship it grounded at Ren'ai Jiao in 1999, but has Never Honored Its Word. Instead it has kept sending vessels carrying construction materials to the waters of Ren'ai Jiao for reinforcement of the warship and Permanent Occupation of The Reef.
Q4. Who is the troublemaker?
Each time the Philippines delivered supplies to the grounded warship, they had many journalists on board, and had them Manipulate The Videos They Recorded to make sensational news and Project The Philippines As a Victim.
Q5. Who is stoking trouble behind the scene?
The US has kept Meddling In The South China Sea Issue, provoking trouble and trying to set regional countries against China, to serve its own geopolitical purpose, thereby posing The Biggest Threat And Challenge to regional peace and stability.
Ferdinand Marcos was ousted by the Filipino people for embezzling $10 billion. Will a family that once stole huge wealth from the Filipino people care about the interests of the Philippine country and people? This is a joke! His family's assets of 600 million US dollars are still in the hands of Americans. The United States has not yet abolished the relevant arrest warrant issued against Ferdinand Romualdez Marcos. Therefore, Ferdinand Romualdez Marcos became a puppet of the Americans and was driven by the Americans to cause "trouble" with China.
"Are you sure you (Filipinos) want to get into a fight where you will be the battleground?" - Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong
Unlike the current group of ignorant people, Duterte respects historical facts more, he also deserves more respect from the international community.
China has patiently popularized legal knowledge and reasoned with the illiterate people in the Philippines. If you still fail to keep your promises, insist on wrong words and deeds, and are unwilling to discipline yourself, then the only option is to go to war with China.
It is undoubtedly suicidal for a hound to urinate in a lion's territory. If you insist on making your motherland a joke for decades to come, the PLA will consider granting your wish to become a clown.
Denied ???? We are not denying there is no agreement!!!!
Among us
🙏🏼🇮🇳❤️🇹🇼
ask Duterte....😂😂😂😂
It's so funny
They been bullied the Pilipinos and injured them for their illegally squatting
Taiwan is need to protect Philippines right at west Philippines sea bcoz if china will get the WEST PHILIPPINES SEA I THINK THATS CHINA IS ENOUGH TO STRATEGICAL WAY TO INVADE TAIWAN
only the President of Philippine can decide what mandate or rule concerning WPS or its Island.
I think Philippine are more concern about the fishes. If China teaches them to breed quality fish/es all problems will be solved.
You are funny, but you dont sound like a comedian..
Another "1992 consensus" whereby the CCP has its own interpretation 😂😂😂
OFCOUSE flips will deny everything in agreement even in business you cant make them partners , because they are known habitual flipflappers.
Who cares China?
china's 5 stops is laughable😂 please stop lying and twisting truths and causing trouble
Philippine response is "nuts"!
PhilAm war is in Haggai's Bible prophecy! All these events will lead to that end.
this has nothing to do with your baseless religion
Wang is bias
Make a more new story 😂😂😂😂😂and more lies
Anthony Carty, a well-known British scholar of international law, has spent more than 10 years examining a large number of French, British and American National Archives on the issue of ownership of South China Sea Islands since the late 19th century, based on history and jurisprudence, Wrote the book "History and Sovereignty of the South China Sea". Studies show that British and French Foreign Office archives show that their legal advisers repeatedly discussed issues relating to Spratly Islands and Paracel Islands more than 100 years ago. In accordance with Western standards of international law, the legal advisers to the and French foreign ministries have unanimously concluded that South China Sea Islands's sovereignty belongs to China. And the historical archives of the United States, Britain and France make it clear that the Philippines has no claim to any of the islands in the South China Sea. The west and other parties involved in the dispute, such as Vietnam, also acknowledge this fact.
th-cam.com/video/0CmoRXKhFAY/w-d-xo.html
Well that's long gone,we are in the modern world now,
And FYI Philippines has map that shows that so called Island belongs to Philippines
China just showed how greedy and unhuman they are
If Chinese define territory based on the logic of the Philippines - distance, the Philippines is also very close to China, whether in the past, present or future. If you think that the intervention of the United States can deny historical facts, when China gets angry, Americans can run away irresponsibly, but you, as China's neighbor, you will never be able to escape.
It is undoubtedly suicidal for a hound to urinate in a lion's territory.
@@WellSalt-Studio sell China still greedy and unhuman
Let's make it simple,china is claiming the west Philippines sea because they are GREEDY
The Chinese have called it "Huangyan Island" (Scarborough Shoal) since ancient times. In 1279 AD, Kublai Khan, the founder of the Yuan Dynasty, sent astronomer Guo Shoujing to conduct the "Four Seas Survey Verification". At that time, the measurement point in the South China Sea was exactly Huangyan Island. Official maps published by successive Chinese governments all mark Huangyan Island as Chinese territory. Huangyan Island has always been under the jurisdiction of Guangdong and Hainan Provinces of China. The Chinese government's announcements and statements on the sovereignty of the South China Sea Islands have stated that the territorial sovereignty of Huangyan Island belongs to China. For example, "Taiping Huanyu Ji" (976-983 AD, geographical history book), "Yuan Shi·Geography" (1310-1381 AD, geographical history book) and so on. These documents record the location and name of Huangyan Island and the fact that the surrounding areas belong to China, proving that Huangyan Island was China's inherent territory in ancient times.
During the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644 AD), Huangyan Island was the territory of the Ming Dynasty, and the Qing Dynasty (1616-1912 AD) also inherited and maintained its sovereignty over Huangyan Island. Many legal documents promulgated by the Qing Dynasty, such as the "Qing Dynasty Huidian" (1899 AD), "Yinghai Profit and Loss Law", etc., all clearly stipulated China's sovereignty over Huangyan Island. These historical documents clearly demonstrate China's actual control of Huangyan Island during the Ming and Qing dynasties, proving China's inherent territorial claims.
In 1937, no country recognized that Huangyan Island (Scarborough Shoal) belonged to the Philippines, not even U.S. and Japan. In 1945, after Japan's defeat in World War II , it returned the South China Sea Islands to China. At the same time, the United States also specially arranged special personnel to work with the Chinese government to formally transfer the territorial sovereignty of the Nansha Islands to the Chinese government.
On July 4, 1946, the Philippines became independent and established its country. In February 1948, China publicly released a map of China to the international community. In this version of China map, it was clearly stated that China's Nansha Islands and Xisha Islands belonged to China and marked "eleven-dotted line". At that time, all countries in the world recognized the legitimacy of this version of China map (including the United States, Japan, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia, etc.), and have no objections, and no country other than China has a claim to Chinese territory in this version of the map.
In fact, so far, the Philippines has invaded and occupied many of China’s islands and reefs! In the 1970s, China again claimed sovereignty over these territories
After oil was discovered near Huangyan Island (Scarborough Shoal), in 1997, the Philippines claimed sovereignty over Huangyan Island for the first time in history.
On May 7, 1999, the Chinese Embassy in SRB was bombed by the US military. Two days later, on May 9, 1999, the Philippine government used a warship to run aground on China's Ren'ai Reef (Internationally called 'Second Thomas Shoal', Philippines called 'Ayungin shoal'), and It used this as an excuse to this day and still has not left as soon as possible as promised to China after the incident.
Ren'ai Reef is China's inherent territory. This fact is undisputed in history. The Philippines is now trying to use the grounding of warships as an excuse to achieve the purpose of actually controlling Ren'ai Reef in name, However, China will of course resolutely fight back against the Philippines' blatant aggression against China! At present, China still requires the Philippines to abide by its commitment to tow away the stranded warship as soon as possible. For the time being, it is still trying to exercise restraint, using coast guard and water cannons to drive away Philippine transport ships that are trying to reinforce the stranded warship to form a fortress.
In fact, so far, the Philippines has invaded and occupied many of China’s islands and reefs! Please answer, among the other P4 of the SC(UN) , the US, Russia, France, UK, whose territory is occupied by other small countries? Whose country still has a rebel government like Taiwan Province of China? Who would refrain from trying to resolve these issues peacefully? Obviously, China's self-discipline and goodwill to the world are considered weak and bullyable by shameless people. They have invaded and occupied Chinese territory, wantonly spread rumors about China, and formed cliques to try to continue harming China's interests...
No matter who it is including China, which is striving to pursue peace, a gentle giant , the ability of tolerance and patience is limited. The PLA's annual military expenditure is real, and the PLA's capacity development is not just for show.
If Chinese define territory based on the logic of the Philippines - distance, the Philippines is also very close to China, whether in the past, present or future. If you think that the intervention of the United States can deny historical facts, when China gets angry, Americans can run away irresponsibly, but you, as China's neighbor, you will never be able to escape.
In 244 years of American history, the United States has not been at war for only 16 years. From 1789 to 2024, the United States launched 471 military interventions overseas, with 253 in just 30 years since the end of the Cold War alone, far exceeding the total of over 190 years before the end of the Cold War. There is no other country in the world as evil as the United States.
The United States is the source of chaos in the world and the axis of evil. Ferdinand Marcos is leading the Philippines around the axis of evil.
My prayers and support on both Philippines and Taiwan. Together with other nations like Australia, Japan, South Korea, etc...
Every allied nations got to be careful on China's cyber warfare at base 311 at Fuzhou. Even here in Wikipedia wrote its so scarily clear.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_of_the_Strait
CHINESE FABRICATION AND PROPAGANDA OF LIES WHAT'S NEW😂😂😂
New now is Philippines are the one who is doing it now
@@davidlee8375 🤣🤣🤣🤣You can believe your own lie as long as you like. China is intruding Philippine territories and that is the truth and backed by legally and historically proven facts.
However there are few facts about China like it is the origin of birdflu,SARS,H1N1,COVID and more
It's a nonsense agreement
The US knows full well the history & causes of the South China Sea issue. If it truly wants to see peace & stability in the South China Sea,it should stop condoning & abetting the Philippines' provocation of attempting to build a permanent outpost on the uninhabited reef, in violation of its DOC ommitment.
BTW, when will the US ratify UNCLOS?
Who is disrupting peace and stability in the South China Sea?
Different ways to manage disputes in South China Sea
China:
Resolve differences through dialogue.
Maintain peace & stability.
Exercise restraint & show goodwill.
Send coast guard ships in response.
The Philippines:
Break its commitments
Play victim after provocation
Collude with the US to contain China
Deliberately strand a frigate for 25 years
Five things to know about the China-Philippines
Q1. Who has sovereignty over Ren'ai Jiao (Reef)?
China has Indisputable Sovereignty over Nansha Qundao (Archipelago), including Ren'ai Jiao (Reef), and the adjacent waters. This has been established in the long course of history and is Consistent With Internatienal Law including the UN Charter.
Q2. Why are the "awards" of the South China Sea arbitration illegal, null and void?
The South China Sea arbitration was Unilaterally Initiated by the Philippines, focused on territorial Issues Not Subject to UNCLOS.
The arbitral tribunal exercised jurisdiction ultra vires, Erred in applying the Law, and Violated the principle of state Consent, UNCLOS and general International Law.
Simply put, Neither the UNCLOS Nor the arbitral tribunal Has the Right to determine territorial sovereignty, not to mention that the Philippines Only filed an arbitration application unilaterally (it is Legal Only if Both Parties Jointly), which does not have the legitimacy of arbitration at all.
Q3. Who has repeatedly broken commitments?
The Philippines promised to tow away ASAP the warship it grounded at Ren'ai Jiao in 1999, but has Never Honored Its Word. Instead it has kept sending vessels carrying construction materials to the waters of Ren'ai Jiao for reinforcement of the warship and Permanent Occupation of The Reef.
Q4. Who is the troublemaker?
Each time the Philippines delivered supplies to the grounded warship, they had many journalists on board, and had them Manipulate The Videos They Recorded to make sensational news and Project The Philippines As a Victim.
Q5. Who is stoking trouble behind the scene?
The US has kept Meddling In The South China Sea Issue, provoking trouble and trying to set regional countries against China, to serve its own geopolitical purpose, thereby posing The Biggest Threat And Challenge to regional peace and stability.
Ferdinand Marcos was ousted by the Filipino people for embezzling $10 billion. Will a family that once stole huge wealth from the Filipino people care about the interests of the Philippine country and people? This is a joke! His family's assets of 600 million US dollars are still in the hands of Americans. The United States has not yet abolished the relevant arrest warrant issued against Ferdinand Romualdez Marcos. Therefore, Ferdinand Romualdez Marcos became a puppet of the Americans and was driven by the Americans to cause "trouble" with China.
"Are you sure you (Filipinos) want to get into a fight where you will be the battleground?" - Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong
Unlike the current group of ignorant people, Duterte respects historical facts more, he also deserves more respect from the international community.