Roach/Hydra/Viper Max-out in Guide Form

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  • @Megaaabeard
    @Megaaabeard 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Build Order:
    13 Overlord
    16 Hatch
    19 Overlord
    Queens and 4 x lings
    *pull 2 workers off gas and get speed
    30 overlord
    Overlord Scout
    If defending or standard 3rd base
    Queens drones and overlords
    3:30 scout again with overlord.
    2x overlords
    Refill main gas
    3:50 Roach Warren
    3:55 Lair
    More drones
    Up lings to 14
    4:30 1 spore per base
    Keep saturating 3rd
    5:05 at mineral saturation of 3rd queue overseer scout and take gases,
    5:20 4th base and 2x evos and roach speed
    Drones drones drones + overlords
    Check overseer scout
    Upgrades ranged and Carapace
    5:56 Infestation pit and hydra den
    Loads of overlords
    6:20 6x roach @ 73 drones
    6:40 Get hive and hydra upgrades
    Keep building hydra army + overlord speed
    7:20 drop changelings scout bases
    7:30 82 workers - 2 spines per base 74 workers.
    Hive done 2 vipers
    More overlords and hydras
    +2 ranged attack
    Shift rally vipers to consume and follow hydras
    9:25 200 supply
    Attack:
    Inject bases before focusing on army
    Split hydras, F2 and then focus on viper control.
    Blind, abduct, make hydras, inject, macro 5th base

  • @tomosko2669
    @tomosko2669 4 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    I am like, yeah lets do this. And then I get proxied and I die. :D

    • @unixtreme
      @unixtreme 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep, that's me and my sorry gold 1 ass

    • @ahuzel
      @ahuzel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Just play again and again.
      Even in Master you can go drone scout, that 150 minerals lost are better than losing, and acept it, as bad a we are we would waste those 150 anyways.

    • @Lycam
      @Lycam 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      D:

  • @jaredholloman5300
    @jaredholloman5300 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Been binging a lot of Starcraft 2 content since I recently picked up the game to start playing. Having a massive amount of fun but have a hard time overcoming the intimidation factor of ladder play (campaign and Melee vs. AI is where I love being right now, lol). Completely stumbled across your channel -- this is the first video -- and really enjoyed it. Informative and helpful to know what your build order is. Also, seeing the very few hotkeys you utilize makes me realize maybe I don't need to have a lot of hotkeys.
    Keep up the great work! Looking forward to seeing more of your content. +1 Sub!

    • @mikes4533
      @mikes4533 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You found a great channel to watch! He actually has a guide from bronze league all the way to the top tier if you're interested on his channel! Highly recommend!

  • @seichaibao
    @seichaibao 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This is the best guide that I've watched in 2020. Thankyou!

    • @ripparoo823
      @ripparoo823 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      hes just so wonderful

  • @Xboxishomo
    @Xboxishomo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Thank you. Exactly the guide I needed from you

  • @ahuzel
    @ahuzel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wonderful content as always.
    Love the good Roach Hydra, also the Viper Hydra combo is just insane.

  • @LambNRice
    @LambNRice 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very clean, love the calm narrative

  • @isaacgarcia8279
    @isaacgarcia8279 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So beautiful, so right. So scrumptious.

  • @giammaucapeokgaming752
    @giammaucapeokgaming752 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank u man. Idk how any things i learned from u. Love.

  • @yanikh8
    @yanikh8 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    thank man 4 this build i just switch zerg and i follow you on twitch i learn a lot GG

  • @SkullcandyEdit
    @SkullcandyEdit 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just started playing and I think I like Hydras.
    I hope I can pull this build off in the future

  • @Enordenlighan
    @Enordenlighan 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks bro, Great stuff.

  • @gargonus
    @gargonus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is exactly what I needed, thanks master !
    And I just realized : after an abduct, you don't even need to tell your roach/hydras to focus the abducted tank ? They will do it automatically ?
    I was so amazed when I saw that you could just focus on viper control...

    • @randomrandom.
      @randomrandom. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Whenever your units attack, they attack the closest target (after probably killing off their actual focus which is lightning fast in most situations). Hence the reason the tank is pretty much insta killed

    • @Yorekani
      @Yorekani 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, units acquire the closest target until it becomes invalid. Units become invalid when they die, cloak, leave vision range*, enter stasis or vanish into a transport unit. (Overlord, Nydus, Medivac, Command Center, Warp Prism)
      However, the reason why yoinked targets die so fast is slightly different.
      Usually, only part of an army is actually within firing range of something. As such, when there's suddenly a new target close to your army, all the units without an already acquired target will shoot that new target, which usually leads to instant death, unless you reeled in a big catch, like a Battlecruiser, Carrier, or Mothership, which should go down shortly after.
      * It depends. Stationary units like buildings and sieged units can't chase, so they reacquire targets as soon as the previous one leaves their attack range. Also, units whose attacks can only hit ground or air exclusively will reacquire targets if the previous target switches to air or ground respectively.

    • @gargonus
      @gargonus 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I see ! It makes sense now.
      Thanks a lot to both of you :)

  • @garnetg987
    @garnetg987 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I gave the 420th like.
    Thanks for the build, great content.

  • @ryanlee849
    @ryanlee849 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Love your videos, man!! Is ravagers bad with this comp??

    • @NeuroZerg
      @NeuroZerg  4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Ravagers fill the same role as hydras, where they are a longer range, back line unit. The problem with ravagers is that they can't attack vikings/BCs as well as hydras can, and hydras have better dps overall unless you get amazing biles.

    • @ryanlee849
      @ryanlee849 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Neuro Thank you for taking time to reply 🙏 helped me out alot !

  • @ripparoo823
    @ripparoo823 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    bless you sir!

  • @kundunfu
    @kundunfu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey Neuro, thanks for the guide, beautiful as always. One question though - I've read here and there that carapace upgrade is irrelevant vs mech, since it deals a ton of damage in single shots. Instead people recommend going ranged and melee, so you can try ling/bane runbys as well - would you agree with that standpoint or carapace is actually important here?

    • @Yorekani
      @Yorekani 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      With this style, I'd agree. You're not looking for a frontal engagement unless you know you can crush the mech army, which means the match already heavily leans in your favor.
      Generally, styles which focus on counter-attacks prefer attack upgrades to deal more damage until the defender responds with units.
      When engaging with Vipers, attack upgrades means you'll need less units to reach the critical mass to oneshot other units.
      You're looking to take as little damage as possible while picking off high value targets.
      If the enemy can't replace those units fast enough because production is slow, you should notice the army size dwindling pretty soon.
      If the enemy can't replace those units fast enough and/or relies on more mineral-heavy units, their income can't keep up and your chances of winning are pretty good if you patiently whittle them down.
      If the enemy looks like they're replacing those units just fine (for now), deny their expansions while building and expanding your own economy advantage. At some point, their economy won't be able to meet their demands anymore. If you can secure your economy lead without trading too terribly, it'll become more and more of an uphill battle for the Terran over time.
      If you can't break through a turtle Terran, adding a Swarm Host squad may be useful. This puts them on a timer because they'll keep receiving damage until they deal with them.

  • @jeffs.3348
    @jeffs.3348 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent! Thanks dude.

  • @coopaloop8641
    @coopaloop8641 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey been watching for a while. Thanks for the great vids.

  • @chriszuccaro7074
    @chriszuccaro7074 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Outstanding stuff!

  • @TheCJHowes
    @TheCJHowes 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow. Amazing video man!

  • @lokits123
    @lokits123 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    unreal, very nice play.

  • @pablocastaneda4021
    @pablocastaneda4021 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video was dope

  • @TheTiltedOne
    @TheTiltedOne 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    you just earned a sub my dude. love your style. can you please do one next for rushed BCs!? i die to that all the time.

  • @jasonjjj27
    @jasonjjj27 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    most of the time I get rushed or proxy or pushed with some sort of aggression. @ 350 roach warren I would be dead. The queens can be an o.k. early defense, but its a thin defense, maybe with a few static defenses it would work, but it would slow the build down.

    • @jasonjjj27
      @jasonjjj27 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I didn't see the 14 lings, I guess I just need to practice and predict cheese better.

  • @danyyy_8733
    @danyyy_8733 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would be nice if this build was on spawning tool so you could practise it in-game with salt extension mod.

  • @jellyorwhat3343
    @jellyorwhat3343 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice, gonna give it a try!

  • @tedhoag2181
    @tedhoag2181 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you offer coaching still? I'm stuck in D2/D1 (for years with some time off in between) and really want to get M3/M2. It's been a goal of mine for a very long time and just can't seem to stay consistent enough to break through. I have friends that say I'm good enough to be in M3 for sure, but obviously I'm not there...it has been a real mental hurdle for me. In ZvT I primarily play LBH with Vipers, but I prefer to play RHV in all matchups. If you could help me at all that would be greatly appreciated. Have a good day man.

  • @Vrael95
    @Vrael95 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Perfekt! Well explained, I really needed it.
    A question, How is possible to change your colour in ranked 1v1?

    • @juanogdon9494
      @juanogdon9494 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      In options you can change the way YOU see colours

    • @Vrael95
      @Vrael95 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      In options colour. I tried that doesnt work, only for the mini map. 😔

    • @argentoAFK47
      @argentoAFK47 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Vrael95 next to the minimap there's a small button for "Alliance Colors". Toggling that will make use of your color settings.

  • @marcfellinger6773
    @marcfellinger6773 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very Cool. Is there a replay file available for this?

  • @ShuXamR
    @ShuXamR 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you Master

  • @darrell5363
    @darrell5363 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What if I die like 5 minutes before I can get this out

  • @Gohgoroth
    @Gohgoroth 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can roach hydra work vs drop heavy bio in a mostly even game? I know if you massively out macro or out play them anything can work. But is it viable against drop heavy bio as well in most cases?

    • @duende29
      @duende29 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Should probably go ling bane muta in that case.

    • @ahuzel
      @ahuzel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Roach tank and Hydra does damage, some scuadrons on main and a couple outer expas anihilate 1-2 medevacs drops. Not optimal tho; its slow. Priority on double ups versus double ups, marines not that good versus roaches tankin for hydra. Viper works miracles alongside the good ol' hydra roach.

    • @Gohgoroth
      @Gohgoroth 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ahuzel thanks man. How exactly would you utilize the vipers vs bio medivac with no tanks? Para bomb the medivacs? Blind the marines? asking because changing up my composition at my level, plat 2, tends to screw me up. If I have to focus too much on scouting it throws my whole build off and I fall behind. I'm just not fast enough to do both well. So I'm trying to simplify my play as much as practicable. Switching between ling bane and roach hydra depending on what I scout is tough for me.

    • @ahuzel
      @ahuzel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Gohgoroth Since you are not that fast, maybe casters are not for you, yet. Still, parasitic on medevacs is good,, without enough healing the stim is very risky. Yeah blinding can be used in the bio; he must retreat a little to avoid the area of the spell, since bio units are small many can be afected by two three cluods. That zoning is useful for securing retreats, secure a kill on an orbital, render useless a planetary fortress, at least for a few seconds.
      Work hard on your speed. Memorize your opening build, the 17 17 17 is very good, it can defend almost everything (not easy but doable nonetheless) can make a 2 base cheese versus a P T who got a second base, and can go macro is very good, the super greedy of aggressive build are more for securing a win in a tourny or versus an oponent who you know will open in a certain way.
      Enjoy what you do, enjoy that time, take risks, you only lose mmr, while gain experience, dont be afraid of triying and take your time if the game is overwhelming you. One can always find a way around to solve problems, like the good Neuro says, quoting Bruce Lee, be like water.

    • @Gohgoroth
      @Gohgoroth 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ahuzel thanks man. I appreciate you. People like you are why the starcraft 2 community is the best gaming community there is

  • @AlexScorpionVn
    @AlexScorpionVn 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My dreams come true

  • @TheApplesaw
    @TheApplesaw 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks yo!

  • @lanclot112
    @lanclot112 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    amazing

  • @nanotech2080
    @nanotech2080 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How is it against bio without banelings?

  • @QQGigolo7
    @QQGigolo7 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can u use it against vs bio, or toss ground? OR only vs mech?

    • @michalvolar1205
      @michalvolar1205 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      lings banelings are far better vs bio. vipers are made for turtle tank terran counter. also they are good vs pulling thors/battlecruisers from terran ball of units. train with AI or friend

    • @AlexScorpionVn
      @AlexScorpionVn 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Similar question. If you pushed gm with RHV, then it is solid army composition, right.

  • @plunderersparadise
    @plunderersparadise ปีที่แล้ว

    It's fun and games untill you realize its 8 mins into the game and he already having Hive, roach/hydra tech and making vipers.

  • @TheApplesaw
    @TheApplesaw 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you make a video on your hotkeys setup?

    • @shabe99
      @shabe99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      tl.net/forum/sc2-strategy/341878-thecore-advanced-keyboard-layout

    • @TheApplesaw
      @TheApplesaw 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@shabe99 wow thanks alot!

    • @CrazyCritterTV
      @CrazyCritterTV 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheApplesaw Neuro uses GRID from what I understand

    • @AlexScorpionVn
      @AlexScorpionVn 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CrazyCritterTV no, the core

  • @josegertes2732
    @josegertes2732 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does this work against Bio as well?

  • @ninomadaus
    @ninomadaus 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice

  • @MrJeroenB
    @MrJeroenB 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel like you are super vulnerable some time after the first helion dive-in, and the second (like 5:30 to 7:00). I expected a bunch of Cyclones to destroy your greedy strat. Am I wrong in this?

  • @Neamhain97
    @Neamhain97 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good guide except you should slow down your apm if it's aimed towards bad players. If you have 300apm your issues arent your macro most likely

  • @waldemarwalo
    @waldemarwalo 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    hi man, interesting video, but your announcer is way to loud and image is very dark.

  • @partrickgaspari2444
    @partrickgaspari2444 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hectic. Just Wow

  • @nerowolf1234
    @nerowolf1234 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey man I really like your content :)
    We make the same kinda content, just one difference. Yours actually exists, and it’s actually good.
    Mine is stopped by those dang meddling kids every time 🤦‍♀️🙆‍♀️

  • @MT-km4tp
    @MT-km4tp 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    neuro vry smårt

  • @ambigioz
    @ambigioz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Too bad that in a real equall-skil game terran would have already > 6 tanks by that time, and the zerg army would be melted...

    • @iplay110
      @iplay110 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So what you do is engage with blinding clouds/abducts, and when the energy runs out you pull back, remax army, refill energy, go again. And you keep doing this untill you either overpower the terran, or starve him out of resources.

    • @ambigioz
      @ambigioz 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gizmo yeah, I know the theory, but in practice it never works for me :D (in high diamond)

    • @TheMuffinman191
      @TheMuffinman191 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ambigioz You're probably still attacking up a ramp or into a choke. You wanna come sideways at them in an open field ideally, but since thats a rare occurance you can pick one most of the time. tanks dont move out well and if they've already moved out you can flank them which reduces splash and give vipers better abduct targets.

    • @ahuzel
      @ahuzel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheMuffinman191 No he prob has poor larva injects/housing/creep spread. If not on the very top, it is more the mistakes one made than the composition.

  • @blunts4brekfast
    @blunts4brekfast 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice