7 Things the GH4 does BETTER than the GH5 in 2020 and 2021
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- Hey description reader and welcome to the video! In this one we look at the still amazing GH4 and pit it up against its successor in a unique way as we find 7 reason why the GH4 might be the right camera for you even to this day.
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I was lucky enough to find a GH4 for less than $350USD. I feel like for a first videography camera, this is a great value.
It truly is killer to this day. I have got the GH5 but the GH4 is still used almost just as much
I just took my GH4 on a hike through the Texas Hill Country instead of my G9. It’s lighter, the battery life is longer, if I drop it I don’t lose as much money, and it still takes great pictures and videos. I just scrubbed through them and they look great! It will stay with me for years to come.
You’re totally on point with all of these reasons. I have 2 GH5s and and a GH4, and I still use the GH4 quite a bit, especially for shooting live events. The battery life is superb and you are so right about the screen! I thought I was crazy for thinking that the lower resolution screen on the GH4 actually looked sharper than the one on GH5. It’s nice to know I’m not the only one!
I love this feature!
I'm still rocking my GH4
I’m a bit of a poser, as I’m a GH5 guy but the GH4 gets used all the time for a B cam for multi cam shoots, and sometimes I even reach for it first like going on a gimbal or traveling.
its true
Excellent Points - Well made Rhett. ONYA!
Wow -- one of the best, informative camera videos I've ever seen -- subscribed.
theparkerstudio just trying to bring a different perspective, I appreciate that though!
Great video! I recently noticed the long battery life indeed and it made me super happy. My reason #8 is the anti alias filter in the GH4. It makes it my favorite for reproducing images from books or old magazines and newspapers. It also comes in handy when a TV set or a computer screen is in the image.
I’ve never thought about that but I can see how that could come in to play! That’s a good one and could actually make a difference for people doing similar work
Very informative video... Found out things here I didn't see on other videos about the differences between the GH4 and GH5... Subscribed!
It’s definitely not perfect but still a very helpful camera! I sold it but then bought it again lol.
@@RhettThompsonFilm Also bought one recently! Performs well for my needs so far!
Nice video man, subscribed to you. Keep the content up!
Alexander Films thanks man! We’ve got some exciting stuff coming up soon!
Thank Rhett I too still film with my GH4. thanks for the video.
I have both GH4 and GH5 and I agree with all your arguments. Love my little GH4. For me the biggest strenghts of GH5 are IBIS (which is very useful for my handheld workflow), 4k 60fps and size. GH4 is too light and small for me. I was really sad that they removed 50mbs option from GH5, now files are huge and my laptop must work way harder with those files. I have GH5 2 years already and I still can't trust focus peaking. Great battery life, simplicity and amazing focus peaking makes GH4 way better camera than GH5 for me. Also my GH4 has some retro vibes in video quality, I can't explain what exactly it is, but in general video from GH4 is more pleasant to the eye.
the banding problem is also my pro feature for focus peaking safity :D ;) :) cool video.
Excellent points, Rhett! I'm ordering a GH4 today, in fact. Thanks for this excellent content. 📷☮️
Wow, glad I could help!
I fully agree about no 50 Mbs on the GH5 - and for some reason the GH4 feels perfect in my [small?] hands. I just bought my second GH4 :)
Great video!
I just picked one up for under £400! In Almost new condition, right now I think it’s one of the best cameras around if you getting into video work or even TH-cam nice vid mate.
You made some good points in this video.
Funny about the LCD screen! I used the GH4 for almost five years, and recently switched to the G9. The thing that got me was how the G9's screen was less clear, and thereby harder to manually focus than the GH4! For this reason, I'm thankful that G9 autofocus is much more useable. I stick with the G9 because of 4k 50p, IBIS, 150p and improved colour. But the GH4 is still surprisingly good by comparison.
I have two GH4 cameras. Love them. And an FZ2500. Also good.
I got my gh4 with a Sigma 18-35 1.8 lens for $456 yesterday at a pawn shop. So $1300 for that price. Consider it a steal.
Hey man like your content, this king about buying a Gh5 myself,
GH5 is an incredible camera. Can’t recommend it enough
Great stuff man! Just got one for 350$ in mint condition! What lens were you recording video?
Juan, I was using the Leica 10-25. It’s super expensive but if you’re a pro and it’s in your price range. Something like the sigma 18-35 is a decent cheaper option but with the GH5 you might consider a lens with image stabilization like the lumix 12-35 or Leica 12-60.
Great vid. Still have my gh4 and shoot mostly with the 40-140 lumix kit and the pancake lens. Drooling over the GH6 though.
Might be time to scoop up a GH5 or GH5mkii
@@RhettThompsonFilm What's the diffrence between the gh5 and the gh2 mkII?
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Big upgrades
1. 4k6010 bit
2. Upgrade color science and UI
3. Live streaming
4. A few newer tricks and upgrades
And probably some more stuff I forgot
I just sold my G85 and bought my 3rd GH4 for $400! You can’t beat it for price vs performance!!
Excellent "against the grain" video, thanks for this great content!
I really love this video, sold my GH4 and just bought another one!
I love it! Subscribed. Can you get the zv1 to look good? Still rocking a gh3
The ZV1 can look great for sure but it’s always going to be held back by that little sensor. Needs a fair bit of light, but at the end of the day it really just depends on what you’re using it for.
Yeah tbh everything looks better on my gh3 than the zv1 but the autofocus and convenience of zv1 is just so rad. I'm mainly shooting in a dark barn which is the problem. The windows give me too many highlights the rest is so dark. What is the best way to approach that environment?
@@travisraab perhaps a LED light just bounced around the room could work, raise the dark areas to get a little closer to the brighter areas of the image. It’s a tough situation to be sure!
@@RhettThompsonFilm would another mft camera like the gh5, g9 make a huge difference in a lowlight situation like that?
That techno at the start got my pumped lol
That track goes hard!!!
I’ve owned the GH3 and the GH4. I now have two GH5’s and a GH5 Mk2. You made a lot of good points here. You make me regret selling my GH4.
I sold mine and then bought another one! haha, at this point I think a GH5ii and a GH5s is a really nice setup.
i like it ! very unusual topic!
Glad you enjoyed it, obviously the GH5 is a better camera, but it isnt really THAT much better, and so I decided to see if the GH4 still had some hidden potential.
I feel ya. Good work here, I think.
GH4 has no IBIS. The TV show Top Gear bought some GH5 cameras and mounted them to snowmobiles and the IBIS was turned off and the IBIS was shaking. Top Gear went back to the GH4.
Another reason to keep it and the GH5s around!
Wow I had 2 diff buyers ready to pay me $350 for my GH4 this weekend, I thought I wanted to buy the GH5 said I need to sleep on it. This video was good enough, I’m keeping it - Thx
Its still amazing! Hard to believe its the first mirrorless camera to do 4k. There's some real legacy in these little cameras.
Great review ! I own few years the GH4 ☺
Its a beast of a camera! Mine has survived some serious abuse.
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Cool video. Interestingly enough the hand grip rubber on my GH4 is puckering at the exact same spot as yours, but a bit more drastic in my case. :-(
I’ve seen that happen to other people as well. Mine was made worse by the camera falling out of a moving car haha. Have you looked to see if there were any cheap or DIY fixes for that??
@@RhettThompsonFilm Talking about the grip, do you find a difference in the ergonomics - does the GH4 feel better to hold all day?
Honestly it’s pretty close, the GH4 is certainly lighter though if you value that.
@@RhettThompsonFilm I managed to hold a GH3 or GH4 body the other day at a Hobby store for a few seconds and boy did it feel comfortable (immediately) compared to a G85. They would not allow the customers to handle the G9 so I could not compare the grip to that model. I feel that if the camera feels good in the hand one actually want to shoot more with it. I think if the grip on the GH5 has been improved over the GH4 then people with large hands may prefer the larger body/grip over the GH4 although the weight might be an issue after a whole day of shooting. When I moved up from the FZ200 to the FZ300 I did not like the new grip and the increased weight.
Honestly the GH4 and 5 are both so nice it’s a toss up. The best feeling cameras I’ve used in that size.
I used a canon C300 mk2 and a GH4, and the GH4 looked so much better. Downscaling the 4k made it look great.
Just shot some outdoor stuff with my Gh4 and buddies Gh5.I noticed a big difference in the dynamic range, we were shooting outdoors here in sunny Colorado, Is this real or did I not have my GH4 setup correctly? The GH5 sucked down 4 batteries and I was still on my first battery.
I hitch one had the different dynamic range and how? I guess it should be something I test more...
Rhett, I own two GH4 cameras and have been thinking about getting a GH5 or GH5s. How well do you think the picture profiles match the GH4? Like if you are shooting the same subject with both cameras with the same picture profile settings, does it match perfectly? Like an interview with adequate lighting.
I my experience the GH4s match the GH5 pretty darn well. The GH5s might be a little different from what Ive heard and Ive shot with them both together but I didnt edit the footage so its hard to say. Obviously two GH4 cameras or two GH5 cameras would be ideal but the GH4 and the GH5 match really well. I even use the LX100 as a C cam sometimes and that looks good too.
Even lenses can effect this as well but the profiles themselves are about as close as it gets.
@@RhettThompsonFilm Thanks for the opinion. The gh5 and gh5s feature sets would really be great for me to have, but I've been shooting interviews and multicam stuff with two identical set ups (GH4 and 12-35 f2.8 or the 35-100mm f2.8 if I've got to be across the room. Those two lens even have some subtle differences). I'm kinda thinking about one GH5 or 5s and just continuing to use the GH4 for multicam work with the GH5 as a third angle if I need it. I could pick up the 42.5 mm voigtlander to go with my 17.5mm for interviews and I think that might make a bigger difference than a 2nd GH5 for a little less money. I've always been amazed at the GH4 battery life too and would probably like to continue using it for interviews for that reason. A GH4 with two name brand batteries in the camera with grip is great because you can quit even thinking about battery life if you go in charged and are trying to run productions with no crew or 1-2 other people. I didn't realize the GH5 was so much worse until seeing your video.
@@claniusg I know this is late but the GH5 is still GOOD for battery but I would describe the GH4 battery as EPIC. Ive really been enjoying the Battery Grip from Neewer on the GH5 to get two batteries in it, or using a plus in battery source. The Lumic 12-35 and 35-100 are a great combo as are the Voigtlander 17.5 and 42.5mm lenses. Its so tough with all the options it can be as much of a curse as a gift! Im always on the lookout for matching cameras and lens sets as well becuase I hate endlessly trying to correct shots with different characteristics in post.
Well I've been considering the G9 or xs10 or M1 Olympus all within the same price range but now I'm seeing a GH4 open box.. I'm curious if the Stills capability will hold up and what Cameron gets me spending the least time behind the computer GH4 4K correct. Have you tried any c-mount lenses on it
I use c mount lenses all the time! GH4 photo quality is definitely very very decent
@@RhettThompsonFilm thank you for the reply. I already have Fuji. But I would like something with some easier video. I don't always have access to a computer and phones and tablets have real problems reading Fuji files. I still have an old G H 2 with the Apocalypse Now hack. I remember there was a weird setting called ETA correct me if I'm wrong I think it was designed for smaller file specifically towards old 16 mm C Mount lenses maybe a smaller crop. I'm probably not explaining it well. You could bring up a good point maybe the G9 is just a lot. You know I remember this weird video that someone did, they good video test with like the last seven or eight well-known mft cameras since the gh1. it was a big thing made it with bunch of professionals. I forget the overall results but I was particularly struck by Martin Scorsese still like the gh2 footage better than any. omd m1 m2 has came down in price too. Super interesting what you said about that file and recording time . I wonder if they will add it into the G9 with FW
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there`s an 8th, and for me a big one: IBIS on the GH5 causes jittery video footage when on a motorised slider. With a lens with IS the GH4 is jitter-free. I`ve done side-by-side tests of this. Apparently video operators attaching the Gh5 to vehicles have noticed too and swapped theem out for the gh5S without IBIS
Alpine Wonders there’s a reason shows like Better Call Saul we’re still using GH4s years after the GH5 came out!
Can’t you turn off ibis?
@Rhett Thompson wait better call Saul used gh4??? Whoa
Hi! What special feature is going on in your videos taken with GH5 and Leica 10-25 to make AF work so horrendous? I saw many reviews and tests of this lens and while not perfect AF was always decent. But in your footage and in Gerald's Undone comparison to Sigma 18-35 AF in video is appaling. Do you do something differently or all these tests where somehow biased? I really need lens with these parameters and although I plan to use MF 90% of time, still this is unsettling. Is it about using V-logL...?
Using the log definitely didn’t help and I think it was my focus settings on this video. The part where it goes completely out of focus I was using single point and I simply wasn’t inside the box so it just focused on the background. I would check out some of my other videos for better auto focus examples where it actually works pretty well. I plan on making an entire autofocus video at some point but it’s a lot of stuff to go over and you really have to know when and how to use Autofocus on the GH5.
Hello I have the GH4, but the zoom is too close and can’t zoom any further what will I need, my lens is 45-150MM
I would like to know how you ever have dealt with autofocus. the second one I'm curious about is what's the best stabilizer solution for you guys
I have a single AF button that I hit, just do a quick single point autofocus before rolling!
@@RhettThompsonFilm what about a moving subject?
@@jamesbondaygee that’s tougher haha. I’m planning on doing a video on that at some point. AF isn’t the best on GH4. It’s OK on the GH5 or G9
Add ", and 2022" in your title. Still doing a great job.
I probably should! Thanks for the tip and thanks for stopping by!
@@RhettThompsonFilm You're welcome
I've been rocking the GH4 until now, January of 2024, yet I'm looking to add something to the arsenal, so I'm doing my due diligence & making sure to do R&D like crazy. Also, does anyone know how to fix a pop-out screen? My touch stopped working and the screen eventually went black. All I got is my eye loop.
The GH4 actually also still gets good use in automotive settings, because the vibrations from being rigged in lets say a car that's being driven hard would throw IBIS totally off and create IBIS wobble. I've always been shooting Canon for photos, but I got the GH4 many years ago for multirotor/drone shots and because it could do 4k video, when none of the Canon DSLRs could. That, and sometimes you really don't want to lug a big Canon 5D Mk3 around. Upgraded to the GH5 eventually, then the GH5 Mk2. Still have my GH4 though. It's a great little backup and as you say, it has it's purposes and advantages.
Sold my GH4 and bought another a few months later. It’s just too handy to not have around
I am really not trying to be a dick because I really appreciate your video and all the great points... But the one reason that I would not buy the GH5 is simply how this video looks, washed out, bad color, 70% of the time its not in focus at all.. the video quality itself looks like ass. YOUR video however was great. Not hating on you just the camera I don't like how it looks at all and again its almost NEVER in focus. Thank you for the video, this was very helpful and very informative.
I think you just gotta know how to use it. The default profiles need some edited and VLOG if you know what you’re doing or have a reliable LUT. Agree to disagree!
Just got a GH4, I'm loving it but having some difficulties since I'm a new beginner 🔰
th-cam.com/video/6NgtBUIQPbM/w-d-xo.html this is a good place to start! Griffon is a great guy and this is the first video I watched on setting up my camera.
best camera for ever
Tell Me what to choose between Sony a 7s2 and the gh4. It's for shooting professionnal music video for artists
I think you MAYBE want to go with a Sony due to the larger sensor. I’ll make it slightly easier to get out of focus backgrounds which is a popular look. You really can’t go wrong either way though and can get great results with both. I think look at the lenses first and see which system has what you’d be looking for.
Great video! I own the GH4 and feel no need to upgrade to the GH5 except for 10-bit 4:2:2 that is available on the GH5, and I do not believe it is possible with the GH4 unless you record to a remote device. I may be wrong but that is my understanding. There is a massive difference between 8 bit and 10 bit.
There are many significant upgrades going from the GH4 to the GH5. The GH4 is in fact an 8 bit camera which is one of the bigger factors holding it back
One question for the same price will you choose GH4 or Sony ZV1 ?
Depends on what you’re doing honestly. Gh4 would be best for films and cinema but the ZV1 is a vlogger and content creators dream
It has a flash!
I'm planning on getting a GH4 for doing some old school scale model blue screen stuff. Anybody know what type of lense is best for filming/photography of scale models to appear life size?
I think Leica makes a 45mm f2.8 or something like that macro lens and Olympus has the 60mm f2.8
I got the two, got the gh4 a year a go and the gh5 a month a go. I still don`t get the focus system and the color mode... i like all the color modes for diferents reasons.
AUTO FOCUS? Can you talk about that? That is the major reason people shy away from GH(Line). Have you been able to get it working? The best thing I have been able to do is click on the screen and it immediately focuses on where I am pointing so I have been able to work around a little bit the auto focus.
I’ve been trying to make the autofocus video for like years at this point and how to get best results
Hi, do you by any chance still have the gh4 lens? I broke mine and I can’t afford a new lens at the moment
I’m so sorry. I don’t currently have mine anymore. You broke your lens or your camera?
@@RhettThompsonFilm i broke my lens by mistake a few days ago
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Cheapest lens possible as a replacement. It’s a fun lens and you can get good results if you stop down.
Its a win.
How is focus peaking on manual lens with the gh4 on the screen and vf
It’s OK. Not the best not the worst
@@RhettThompsonFilm good with vintage c mount? I do have glasses I hope the diopter is good
@@unbroken1010 I like it because in 4k it has an additional slight crop which helps those lenses cover the sensor.
@@RhettThompsonFilm interesting do you know about the old ETA setting on the gh2? A lot people didn't know about it
the 10 bit in gh5 is the biggest selling point for me. but love my gh4
Oh for sure, the GH5 is slightly better in dozens of areas and the IBIS is a game changer but the GH4 still has its place, especially for those who cant afford a second GH5 or GH5s.
@@RhettThompsonFilm I would love a gh5 but seeing if I can get away with some projects in the near future. but when it comes to filming lighting and sound is very crucial so even if the camera isnt the best at least the sound and lighting is great so the audience can forgive that.
Most won't notice the difference
What lut did you use
Im sure it was Filmconvert! Great plugin especially if you use multiple cameras and picture profiles!
maybe for G7
Help me decide between the g85, g9, or gh4
What do you plan on doing with it? G9 is the most modern and the stabilization it and the G85 provides is pretty game changing.
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I can still find a display model of GH4 for about $650 US dollars. What do you think?
Part of me thinks a you’d be best finding a used or refurbished one for like 400 bucks, but new 600 or so isn’t bad either!
Does abyone know if the GH4R have IBIS?
No GH4 has IBIS. The oldest Panasonic you can find that does is the G85 I believe
@@RhettThompsonFilm even the GH4R? I wana upgrade from the G7 do you think the GH4R is worth it or I need to go for a GH5?
@@ramialrabih9974 if I could I would go to the GH5. IBIS, and the ability to shoot 10 bit is really nice along with 4k60. I don’t think the GH4 is that big of a step from the G7 but still a great camera
@@ramialrabih9974 another option might be the G9 but it is more limited for video in some ways
What about GH4 4k 8bit vs GH5 10bit ?
The 10 bit in the GH5 among a few other features is super nice
You can add Atomos V and get 10 bit, it will be still cheaper than GH5
@@akmalsalikhov3732 Do I still need V-log on the GH4 after adding the Atomos V ?
@@larrylarry1368 Yeah if you want to get the best DR but it's an additional $100. I was looking towards Z Cam E2C which almost same price (Z Log is free) but it has huge Rolling Shutter issue. And minimal ISO is 800
@@akmalsalikhov3732 That's exactly what I was also looking into but the retailer told me that the rolling shutter of E2C is horrendous. Furthermore, all Z cam cameras warranty is China based. Yes, you will need to send the camera to China for warranty service.
The GH4 has SDI where the GH5 and GH5s only has HDMI limiting them to prosumers and out of the professional realm. Better image stabilisation (it's not great on the GH5. I'd say it's better to stick with lens OIS only or just nothing). Higher bitrate from the sensor (the GH5s is better, but not the GH5). V-lock high-capacity battery support.
where is this SDI output you speak of on the GH4? do you mean the YAGH external adapter?
@@geekazoid On the YAGH. If it's a studio camera, it comes with it or it was about $400 separately. I'm sure it's cheaper now.
@@dpc4548 the YAGH was 2K, 1.2K if you bought the bundle. These days it goes for about $800 used. Anyway your comment doesn't really make sense since the GH5 is fully compatible with the YAGH. (edit: actually maybe it is, likely it isn't. It was meant to be, per the press from launch. It may not have ended up that way in the end. edit2: I've found an article that confirms no. So no SDI on GH5 after all.) edit3: check out CAME-TV Terapin for GH4/GH5 for SDI out.
@@geekazoid the YAGH can't be used with the GH5 and as far I know was never meant to be, but maybe. The GH5 alternatives are HDMI to sdi converters, not powered by the camera and certainly not part of the design. As for price, I bought the YAGH from Panasonic about a year after launch for $400. If the price has gone up since then, that's bizarre, but likely because of short supply these days. It happens. The bundle on launch, with the camera, was $2.6k. We still have our receipts for all of this.