🎹Casio Privia PX-160 vs Roland FP-10 Digital Piano Comparison, Review & Demo🎹
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Thanks so much for joining us for another digital piano comparison video here at Merriam Pianos! In this video, Stu Harrison compares two of the most popular entry level 88 key digital pianos on the market; the Casio PX160 and the Roland FP10.
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Tone Engines & Sound:
The Casio PX160 used Casio’s own AiR Sound Source, which is essentially a sample based tone engine, with some added synthesis on top to provide some extra tonal nuance. It has 128 note polyphony, on-board speaker wattage of 8 watts per side and a grand piano sound that frankly, has a lot of dimension to it. The PX160 definitely set a new standard for piano tone for it’s class when it first came to market.
The Roland FP10 is a much more recent product (3 years newer than the PX160.) The FP10 features Roland’s famous SuperNatural Sound Engine, and while it comes in with slightly lesser polyphony at 96 notes, if you’re primarily playing with a piano sound or any other single note sound, there isn’t a material difference as compared to a sound engine with 128 note polyphony.
Playing them side-by-side, the FP10 seems to deliver a more authentic tone when playing in the pitch and dynamic extremes of the instrument. Everyone will of course draw their own conclusions, but when listening closely, the FP10 delivers more subtlety and nuance.
Action:
The action on both of these instruments is probably the most impressive thing of all. Both pianos feature actions with triple sensor technology, which means more accurate MIDI output than what most digital piano actions were capable of even 10 years ago (when even the top actions featured double sensors.)
Both of these actions are excellent for the price, and which one is preferable is really going to come down to each individual player. The PHA4 action seems to generate less mechanical noise and less lateral action than the PX160’s action, which is certainly applicable to an advanced player, bur not particularly relevant to a beginner or most intermediate players. The PHA4 also features escapement, which the PX160’s action does not.
Features:
One of the big feature differences between these two pianos is the outputs. The PX160 has two ¼ inch outputs at the back of the instrument, completely separate from the headphone output. This is really useful if you plan on hooking your piano up to an amplifier or stereo at home for some extra sound reinforcement, or if you’d like to use the PX160 as a highly portable gigging or rehearsal instrument.
Conclusion:
To sum it all up, while not a perfect apples to apples comparison, there’s a lot of areas where these pianos do compare quite well, such as their respective tone engines and actions. The PX160 offers some practical advantages such as the triple pedal option, and more on-board, nicely laid out features, whereas the FP10 features Bluetooth MIDI, which opens up a whole world of possibilities. It’s pretty hard to tally up the pro’s and con’s and determine which piano comes out on top, so it really depends largely on each individual’s use case. If you’re looking for a piano for mostly personal use and you’re focused on an authentic piano experience exclusively, the FP10 is probably the better choice. If you’re looking for a really versatile, all in one unit with triple pedal capability, the PX160 is going to be the better option.
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Great review!
Great review man, think im going with the casio!
Great comparison video, thanks!
Thanks for your excellent reviews! Would be nice though to see some reviews on Yamaha pianos such as Clavinova, Arius etc.
Half way through - amazing review, this is exactly what I needed to make decision what to buy, thank you so much. Gotta watch a few others of yours and buying :) (beginner)
Hey Tom - good luck with the purchase, and thanks for the comment. Let us know what you get :)
You made me feel great about my FP-10 purchase, which I am just learning on now :)
do you still have the roland fp 10? I want to buy it but I have heard that the keys get very loud over time.
I ve just said this Roland boards always have issues they don't last long...facts🤣🥴😂🤭😤🤒🤧😷😜🤓👀👁️🤫
are the keys making click noises?
Yamaha time
@@pighater951
How you describe "they don't last long"? For click noises there are tutorial to overcome them, although in this price range you shouldn't deal with this issues.
4:14. Casio. 6:31 Roland
10:30 electric. 12:00. Electric
Really needed these timestamps. Thanks✌
I think Casio sounds really better
I own the 160 but the FP10 sounds better.... Love my Casio!
Great review! Can you also cover the comparison between the FP 10 and the Korg B2? Both are very solid machines, personally I think the B2 has slightly better sounds, whereas the FP 10 excels in almost every other category.
Hi stu ! Great review. Please review the casio px 560 stage piano if you get a chance please. Thank you
As a former guitar salesman looking to branch out to keys, I watched your videos extensively and they played by far the biggest role in helping me decide what instrument to purchase. I got the FP10 and am delighted by it. Thank you very much.
You're very welcome! We really appreciate those kind words and we're happy to hear that our videos were helpful in your decision making process. Enjoy your FP10! It is a fantastic instrument. :)
Thank you
Might have to go with the PX-160. The FP-10 has been hard to find during the Great Pandemic.
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You can find them in stock there
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Another good review. Though you don't mention it here Stu, I see from another review that the recording is done via line-out. So, that's what we hear, not the internal speakers.
I can't see these 2 digital pianos as gigging instruments. Band rehearsal instruments, yes OK.
PS While it's true that sound can be a big issue at this price point, I tell students to prioritise on the instrument's action. It has to work for your way of playing.
Mike Summers That seems like a big problem with these reviews. Not a complete disaster, but if the sounds with headphones are really good, but the speakers and amp aren’t up to it, then for potential buyers who may be buying online, there could be disappointments. That’s not an easy one to solve. Both the pianos here sound good to me listening on headphones, and in other reviews some Casios sound really great. However the physical instruments may sound less good. Anyone who can get to a piano store should probably check these out there, but many of us might just have to take a chance with an online order. I heard a live concert with a Celviano (Casio) which wasn’t sounding great, but probably through headphones it would have been fine. Also the sound in a smaller room might have been acceptable, compared with the sound in a church.
Great review, as all your reviews! Shame Casio stopped selling the PX-160, and replaced it with the imbalanced-black-key-white-key S1000 and S3000. What were they thinking? The PX-160 is the best digital piano I've ever owned. Owned the Yamaha P60, P95, P45, P35, P121, Korg SP170, Korg B1, Casio CDP-135, CDP-100, countless others. Killer piano for the money. They should bring it back.
personal opinion: the back-vs-white keys (known as Shawcross-Casio war ;)) is not the real issue. It's much more about the pivot length which extremly alters key pressure depending how near the keys are pressed to the fallboard. On the other hand, the 'form factor' of the new PX is OUSTANDING, when lifting up, it feels less bulky than a Juno Di - . one must have tried to believe. It's a decision between mobilty and inferiour action. If it's not for playing piano concerts or complex Jazz, the new PX are excellent stage pianos because of their easy transportation (with the PX 1k having no protruding pots prone to be sheered off during transport).
BTW personally I don't like the new action (not only because of the short pivot), but the PX 560 is still available - same action as PX160 but with workstation capabilities ;)
I've been searching for a budget piano and surprisingly they are still selling px160 in a store in our country, and I'm comparing px160 and yamaha p125, most people say px160 has a better key feeling and action, but as some people said and what I'm hearing px160 has weak low sound and weak component, is it true ? which one do you recommend ??
Yes, I just returned the px-1000 after 5 minutes of hearing and feeling it. MY px-160 is far superior.
@@higgy7762what you mean with workstation capabilities? I'm a newbie who is trying to learn as much as possible.🙏
@@coprilettodelnapoli5466 a 'workstation' is a 'stage-can-do-it-all' package of 'synthesizer' for 'deep editing of sounds', many 'bred&butter' sounds, extended layering and split capabilties, 'automations' like arpeggiator, sequencer, eventually rhythm/accompaniment, combined with a large (touch) display.
That's what the PX560 is, plus - different to any other workstation - quite good inbuild speakers. And it's less 'complicated' than e.g. new Fantom-08 or Montage-88 workstations with highly complex menu structures.
A lot of its sounds have aged now (string-pads and synth-sounds are still excellent, but don't expect realistic trumpets), the acoustic pianos of the new PX 'midclass' boards (PX1/3/5000) are a bit better - the upper class, PX 6/7000 is MUCH better now - but the new PX 'digital pianos' lack all these 'workstation features'.
If one can get a 560 for a 'bargain price' it's still worth considering.
I bought both of them and sent the Roland FP-10 back. I just preferred how the Casio sounded playing through a keyboard amp. That's the only reason though.
Same reason I picked up the Casio PX-160. Something interesting I noticed in the manual, is that they recommend plugging in headphones when using the line out. I think that may make the line out signal a bit hotter. I bought this from my daughter and she loves it, nice and portable to gig with. Sweetwater had it on the floor for $450 (they had it tagged wrong)- so we got it $100 off of normal price! This is a great review but I bet if it were blinded it might not have been so one sided towards the Roland. I think when people see Casio they automatically think budget quality. I love Rolands too, we have a Juno DS88, but I'm glad we went with the PX-160 over the FP-10 here.
I've had the px160 over a year when I first got the keys we're stiff & a lil loud but now I notice.all that went away seems they got broken in..... it's a sweet keyboard
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Are piano partner 2 and piano designer apps available for iOS only? Or also for android?
how about the weight, action, grade hammer etc? key feels?
The Casio PX 160 is excellent for the money and will give years of quality. If you're a novice, buy the cheaper one. When you can play like this guy, then a more expensive one becomes more justifiable.
Generally agree with the feedback on the Casio. However, there's something to be said for being inspired to play by an instrument you love...not advocating ANY particular budget necessarily...only pointing out that most people forget what they paid for something, but they never forget buying the wrong one or regret buying the "right" one. Also on a side note, these two models were virtually the same price; in Canada the FP10 is was only $50 more at the time we filmed it. Thanks for the comment T F, really appreciate it! -stu
@@MerriamPianos Excellent points Stu...And your playing really makes both keyboards sound great!!
your reviews are always interesting because you manage to state clearly what you consider objective and what are your personal preferences.This comparison is pretty noteworthy because i think the actions are very different and make the subjective preference pretty important.As you have said many times you are a big fan of the PHA-4.Personaly i can understand why many people like this action.It has a feeling of well made and substancial and the fact that Roland puts it everywhere,makes it impressive.However,i dont particularly like the PHA-4.I think its an uneralistic action,made to feel nice to people who like something heavier under their fingers,but most acoustics i have played and several Grands have much lighter actions.I think the CAsio is a more realistic action,even though many people believe that acoustics generaly have heavy actions.Actually some have but many dont.
Hi there! Thanks for tuning in and writing in! We appreciate it. :)
It comes down to a matter of personal preference and subjectivity of course. While some players favour a heavier touch, there are many players that seek a lighter action. Thankfully, there are a plethora of options on the market to choose from. Thanks again and happy playing!
Will there be a review of Roland FP-10 vs Casio CDP-S100? I think that will be the best matchup between entry level piano.
'PX 160 has no escapement' : on both the 'push resistance' of the 3-sensor rubber serves as 'escapement feel'. The 'rubber push' on both is unprecise and flush - like pressing a soft ball. The 'resistance' on the Casio is slightly less 'feelable' (maybe due to differently balanced keys) but you can clearly demonstrate it using keyweights where the keys down movement stops at the escapement point (= where the key touches the sensor rubber). At the end both are unusable for playing techniques.
The repetition (escapement) point at Casio is ca. 1 mm above the Roland FP10/30/60 (Pha4 standard action = 'Ivory Feel G' before Rolands 'renaming'), at ca 6mm vs 7mm key down travel.
A mechanical device (a rubber 'tong') reproducing the point of escapement can only be found on higher spec actions like Roland pha 3, pha4-concert, pha 50 , Kawai RH2/3 + GF, Yam GH3-X + NW-X. Neither Kawai RH-compact nor Yamaha GH/NW 'sens X' have that mechanical device.
There's a remarquable difference in pivot point length (Roland 20 cm vs. Casio 18 cm). Casio 'action II' clearly has more build tolerances (lateral play of keys, accuracy of frame with differences in key heigh up to 1/2 mm), Casio has a bit better (or shall we say less worse) repetition with the keys bouncing back more easily.
BTW the 1st sensor primarily serves for damper on/off. The tone itself is controled by the 2 remaining sensors, as on conventional velocity sensitive keybeds or dual-sensor actions.
Friendly advice: get deeper into technical facts rather than echoing marketing BS ;)
I'd watch your videos. Sounds like you know way more than the guy from Mariams
So Casio it's better as I heard
@@coprilettodelnapoli5466 Definitely. Casio still suffers from its reputation from old days when building 'toy pianos' - which is still in the heads of 'older' musicians - so they approach the new boards with 'sceptical bias' (and some stupid young musicians that heared about this continue to repeat it so they can show up as 'experts' ...).
I'm all but a fanboy of any make (don't care about the type labels) and it has to be said, that Casio is on par with other makes today - of couse they have their 'issues' - but so have all other makes (e.g. Roland has the tradition to add at least one 'unbelievably big stupidity' to each of their boards).
At the end, a buying decision should be build on 'objective personal taste', e.g. how one likes the (piano) sound, the feel of the keybed, the ergonomics of the 'controls', the 'aesthetics' etc.
@@higgy7762 actually I'm really undecided between casio px-160, kawai es 120 and Korg D1 as my first keyboard. Have you some advice for me?
@@coprilettodelnapoli5466 sorry, no - they sound differently, they feel differently ... they smell differently :D The only person that can decide is you.
Thus said : are you aware that Korg D1 has no internal speakers?? It's a "stage piano" - for playing it "at home" you'll need a good amp/speaker system, which will cost about the same as the DP itself.
Hi! Thank you. I like the sound of roland fp 10 and I want one, but now listening to this I hear the keys clapping (making that one noise that I do not like in my current casio privia 100. Does anyone have an advice what can be done to the keyboard (to the keys particularly so that this cpalling noise of the keys is not heard). I like doing live vocal and piano recordings and this clapping sound gets into the microphone. Please help with an advice! Thanks a lot!
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Thanks so much for tuning in! There is not a lot that can be done with key noise. Some actions, particularly the heavier actions with escapement, tend to have a bit more key noise than lighter actions. The new Casio models tend to have reduced key noise. Kawai has also made a few updates to their action designs to reduce key noise as well. Thanks again and happy playing! :)
@@MerriamPianos Hi, Brent! Thanks very much for your reply and useful info! I will keep this in mind in future when I have a a budget for a more performed one. In my case, I like the sound and key action on Roland FP10 very much and so I have just ordered and received one (I was very much influenced by the many reviews you made on his one :)). Yes, the keys make noise and I do not think live recordings will sound clean without removing the noises when editing, but the warm (camera like) sound of Roland is better for my ears than the resounding and bright casio and much to my taste (I do not know about kawai, though). I enjoy playing the FP 10! Thanks again and all the best! :)
Do you ship to uae ?
Can the fp10 connect to a bluethooth headphone? What size it the headphone jack?
Hey MD, replied in another thread! Thanks! -Stu
The hammer action noise is slightly less on the Roland I found.
Nope my casio was loud when new I've had it about a year with everyday playing it's quite now ....
@@pighater951 I bought the Roland DS88 in the end. Love it
Hi, would you mind making comparison on casio px160 vs casio cdp s350?
Casio px-160 is much closer to real Grand piano by its realism ... but Roland's fp-10 grand piano is more transparent\clear\sharper
8:15 comparison for the ear
Do fp10 vs Casio px s 1000
Fp10 is better..
I think choosing the best piano is closing your eyes and listen to the sound for a while. Then you will know what is right for you.
Roland fp10 !!
Hi, why you didn’t choose a PX S1000? You are making a wonderful reviews, thanks.
Ge just reviewed the px-s1000. I think the FP-10 is still looking better
With both, I hear key thumping along with the notes; became irritating.
Roland is much better. It has a nice PHA4 key action which is really plus to good piano player. Casio action is not good it’s only good for kids and keys are making to much noise. I love PHA4 key action. Casio has nice ep. Again wonderful demo. Thank!
do you have the roland fp 10? I want to buy it but I have heard that the keys get very loud over time.
ElNumero Primo I read that u could grease them to get rid of that sound
The Roland action is better, but the casio has a more smooth and well-rounded sound than the Roland
@@elnumeroprimo2900 I've had my Fp10 for almost a year now, and the keys are very quiet. I am very happy with the action, I wish the speakers were more powerful though.
I can hear the keys noise of the Roland in this video but not the casio's one.
No beginner cares about the subtlety of the sound differences at this price point. How does the weight of the keyboard compare to a real piano? That’s what a beginner really needs to know. I don’t even know that you have touched on this at all. Do the keys have a lag when you play a fast phrase? Do they feel cheap and light? That’s what I care about. Can you adjust the weight feel? Give us that info.
Hi! Brent here! I don't think it is fair for anyone to assume what all beginning pianists are most concerned with. While I personally agree with your sentiment that action is my top priority when shopping for any digital piano, every piano shopper has a different set of criteria when choosing an instrument. We have shoppers that are extremely concerned with piano tone, even at entry level price points, while others are most concerned about details such as aesthetics or portability. With that said, we try to be as thorough as possible with our reviews and comparisons to cater to as many different piano shoppers as possible. We also have several videos that are focused entirely on the various actions within a manufacturer's line. You may find those videos helpful! Thanks so much for tuning in and sharing your feedback! We sincerely appreciate it. :)
Rude
You think that what YOU are looking for is what everyone is looking for. That is not the case. And this company has dealt with many buyers and students, so I think that they have a very good idea as to what to cover in their videos.
Roland in general always have problems with their key boards...their nice but just not bulit of quilaty they don't last long....🥴😤🥴🤭🤒😤their prices are way over priced...but ppl fall for it this... board sounds like game sounds ....but other ppl will say it's the sound ever ....🥴🥴🥴🥴😂😂😂🤭🤭😤🤒it's just a trend that ppl get caught in ...and don't now poop about nothing .....if your thinking about buying one do some research first ...instead of asking which one I should pick....
yeah.. ended up doing a lot of research past just this video and decided on the casio in this video. everything about the details make it seem like a more valuable purchase... piano dreamers review sold me on it
Im really not listening to someone who uses that many emojis and incorrect grammar.