🎹Yamaha P125 vs Roland FP-10 (FP-30) vs Casio PX-S1000 Comparison - Best Affordable Digital Pianos🎹
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Hello and welcome to another piano review video at the Merriam Pianos TH-cam channel! Today, we’ve got a triple threat matchup as we’ll be comparing the Yamaha P125, Roland FP10, and the Casio PX-S1000.
These are three of the most popular entry-level digital piano options on the market here in 2021. We get requests on a daily basis to compare the pro’s and con’s of these three models, so this video should be very helpful!
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Piano Sound:
Playing all three side-by-side, and the FP10 actually seems to come across as the warmest sounding. There are some very nice lower and mid-tone harmonics here. The P125 has a super clean, simple tone, with the mid-range sounding quite compressed. The PX-S1000 falls somewhere in between - not as warm as the FP10, but not as punchy as the P125, while the mid-range is as lush as the FP10, and the upper register is similar to the P125.
The tone engines are quite different on these three instruments. The FP10 features Roland’s SuperNATURAL sound engine. To offer this engine at this price point, Roland has scaled back the processing power as compared to more expensive models with the same engine, resulting in a slim 96 notes worth of polyphony here. The tradeoff is a sacrifice in polyphony in order to keep the complexity of the tone high. In normal playing situations, 96 notes should be just fine, but if you’re looking at layering or doing some arranging, 96 probably won’t cut it.
The P125 on the other hand has ample polyphony with 192 notes with their Pure CF Sound Engine, but as mentioned before, the tone itself is not as complex or satisfying as the FP10. This is evidenced when looking at the editable parameters each instrument offers as the FP10 offers substantially more.
The PX-S1000 serves up 192 notes of polyphony via their AiR Sound Source, and there’s a lot more tonal range than on the P125. .The PX-S1000 doesn’t offer the same type of editing software, but it’s pretty clear that there is quite a bit going on with the piano sound.
Piano Action:
Like the sound engines, the actions on these three instruments are completely different! The FP10 remarkably uses Roland’s PHA4 action, which can be found throughout Roland’s lineup all the way up to the $2,500 CAD price point. It’s got a triple sensor and escapement, which is very advanced for the price point. This is a pro level action with great repetition speed, great sensitivity, a nice texture on the white and black keys, and is definitely the biggest selling feature of the FP10.
The P125 uses Yamaha’s GHS action. This is one of the oldest actions Yamaha has in production as many of their other models have been outfitted with newer, updated actions. It's a pretty simple action all things considered but is still quite fast. One drawback is a lack of any texture on the keys, and given that it has a dual sensor and no escapement, the sensitivity is not wide or accurate.
The PX-S1000 uses Casio’s Smart Scaled Hammer Action keyboard. In general, this is the lightest action of the three, and feels very easy to control. It’s more responsive than the GHS in the P125, but as responsive as the PHA4 in the FP10.
Piano Features:
Like the sound engine and action sections, the features on these three instruments are also quite varied. The FP10 features Bluetooth MIDI, as well as USB connectivity. It supports half pedaling, though no option for a triple pedal. There isn’t a distinct audio out which will be a drawback for some. There’s an available matching stand, and we’d recommend upgrading the switch pedal to the DP10 sustain pedal.
Conclusions:
We hope that this video has helped answer some of your questions about these three hugely popular instruments. Thanks for watching!
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Instead of repeating spec sheet, you tend to give really some handy real life tips and I like that. Thanks a lot for being fruitful :)
I want a piano which looks like the casio but have the key action of roland, the bass of yamaha 😁😁😁
Me too
Oh, yes, me too. Love action of Roland, but sound of Casio
You want a CAROLAMAHA!
Awesome review! You mentioned something very important starting at 13:00 for people that are looking for an affordable digital piano for learning with a fair representation of dynamics and tone.
Great review. Because of it, I chose the Casio Privia, which was delivered yesterday.
Great sound, great looks and nice touch, and for me a good choice.
Thanks again.
@Merriam Music. Great review with valuable Insights - thanks a lot!
Could you also comment on damper resonance and string resonance - If and how these features are implemented in these pianos, and how they contribute to the sound experience?
I cannot wait for the ROLAND 701 SERIES REVIEWS!!!! E.PIANOS & ORGANS TOO. Great channel, thanks!
Kinda amazing how you are so consistently generous with the uploads on this channel!
Excellent review. Always find your playing to be inspirational and your comments to be helpful.
Thank you so much for the kind words and for taking the time to check out the video!
Its really gr8 that someone is there comparing these digital pianos for us so that we could make a correct decision before spending our hard cash on these.....thnx.... appreciate it man..👍👍
These demos are *excellent*. It would be great to easily differentiate between reviews that give us speaker sound vs line-out - for me, the speaker sound is really critical. Maybe a separate playlist?
thanks, this is helpful, trying to choose a portable keyboard after selling my yamaha modified uptight of 35 yrs, downsizing and still need to play, lots to learn and understand with digitals
FP10 Sounds more natural to me than the other two.
Incredible review as always concise very technical. I was actually watching another review of these instruments someplace else not nearly sufficient. The one thing I would recommend though is the volume level of the FP 10 being increased next review of it. So you can really hear all this going on better over the internet. I certainly hope at least it wasn't turned up all the way. If not it wouldn't be enough to fill a medium room.
Thanks so much! We appreciate it. The sound is taken from a direct line out from the piano. With that said, we usually try to keep things as transparent as possible by not doing any tweaking or adjustment to the sound, which includes the output of the instrument. This way, it is a truer representation of the differences between the pianos' sonic output.
Casio has always struggled with their audio system. When fed into a decent sound system, particularly with a subwoofer, it comes alive and becomes a completely different instrument. Yamaha, on the other hand, has been making audiophile stereo speakers for at least 50 years, and that expertise shows.
Also they did a great job with the headphones signal processing, and making it sound more acoustic. Normally I hate the sound on the headphones, but on the yammy, they sound quite good.
Thank you again for this. Very helpful.
My psx-1000 arrived an hour ago... can't wait to unbox it ☺
congrats! and let me know how you like it!
Not good choice
@@user-xy8ec9nw3u why?
@@isaacacuna6505
Yamaha and Roland sound system much superior .
Casio I don't like tones
@@user-xy8ec9nw3u That's because of the poor speakers on casio. If you use headphone with Casio, it would certainly beat YAMAHA.
Great review!! Thx 🙏
Very good explanation. Pls review fp30x. and compare fp30x vs fp30 piano sound
this guy gives great demo :) no slouch as keyboardist, either! I watched this for a friend who has a piano teacher who wants him to get an acoustic piano, but I think that one of these will do. He can take the piano TO his piano teacher once he decides on which one he prefers.
Stu Harrison, you provide a great service though you spoil it for me watching anyone else. LOL
Great video 👍
100% agree, the FP-10 sound really stands out with its complexity. You played it in one of your comparison videos and I immediately added it to the cart. For me, a piano purist, that has to be the number 1 consideration. And I haven't heard any reviewers run up against the 96-tone ceiling. Seems 96 is alright for most strict pianists.
Congrats on your FP10! The FP10 is a powerhouse for the money! The combination of action and tone is outstanding for the price point. The max polyphony is plenty for standard piano playing of course. :)
Great review. Really enjoyed it. I've opted for the Roland. Subscribed. Cheers
Thanks so much! We appreciate the subscription immensely! The Roland FP-10 is awesome. You will be very happy with its wonderful touch and tone. :)
I had used Yamaha p125 since Jan. 2021. A few weeks later, I had bought fp10 and enjoyed playing the two. Comparing the feeling of touch and Sond made me be more curious about Digital Piano. I have been playing and learning Pinao for 20 months. And Several days ago, I bought Casio Px-s1000. It's really Coinsidence that I have used the three pianos. As for me, touch of Fp10, the design of P125 in white color and the UX of px s1000 is my besk wish. Thank you for your good and concrete comment.
You're very welcome! That is awesome that you've had experience to own and play all of these fantastic digital pianos. Every instrument will have its pros and cons of course, but I think the combination of elements you have proposed would lead to quite the exciting instrument. :)
Great video. I like when you play the same test music on each instrument. That is why I bought Roland - now waiting for delivery. Thank you
Thanks so much for tuning in and for the helpful feedback! Congrats on your Roland FP10! I know you will thoroughly enjoy it once it comes. :)
Amazing review, very informative and full of insight! Really appreciate your content
Thank you so much! We're glad you've been enjoying the videos! :)
I am learning Piano on Casio Privia PX-S1000 in my music school. As a beginner, I am thinking to buy one of the entry level pianos, and trying to analyse different models. So far, deducing from different reviewers, I guess the Casio CDP-S100 to be the best - thanks to (weighted) key qualities, price as well as batteries and sound quality. However, from your review, I see FP-10/30 to be much superior.
very good comparison but I would like to have a summary part as well in comparison. :)
Re: polyphony, I have a Yamaha P150 from the 90s with a massive 32 note polyphony. And to be honest i hardly ever hear notes cut off unless I have dual voice on and am heavy with the damper pedal.
My Roland MKS 20 which was one of the 1st good sounding digital piano rack mount modules had 16 note polyphony.
Yeah because a 90s tone engine would also not have a lot of dynamic character / expression to need high polyphony. In fact it would be equivalent of quality of GM2 tones now!
The Yamaha sounds more modern and wide. Roland sound reminds me of a real piano. Casio sounds like a blend between the two. Nice playing.
Stu's playing always knocks me out. He has tremendous depth. He really is one of the few I trust when it comes to the demonstration of tone. IF the chords aren't complex, a demo never sounds professional to me. Plus I feel he's generally honest in his assessment. I know he's trying to sell pianos, but I don't find him to be over aggrandizing an instrument's features. One area where I trust him most is in his assessment of the tone quality. He recognizes it's about complexity.and at the same time clarity. I wish he would demonstrate the layering capabilities of these various instruments. How string pads react under a piano voice is critical. I love the strings on a Yamaha Montage, but your looking at $4,000.00 and a beast of an instrument. I think the Montage has at least 8 oscillators or maybe more. You can layer several patches and create wonderful orchestral effects or illusions.
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Gospel Music.. What works, works. To me, they are all real pianos, acoustic or digital. If this were not the case, then digital pianos should be sold only in toy stores.
Ironically, Roland has arrived at its sounds through "supernatural" modelling, rather than pure sampling. Super means more than, so its kind of unnatural in a way. But it works.
The old RD250 didn't sound very much like an acoustic piano at all, but it worked on stage, and the modern music played through it sounded so good that words like "real" and "natural" were irrelevant when you were listening. Today's digital pianos aspire to replacing acoustic instruments in some of their applications, so they must sound similar. But the objective should not be pure immitation, because immitations never match the original anyway. The objective should be quality.
In some respects, digital pianos might overtake acoustic pianos (even grand pianos) but they will never match certain attributes of a grand piano. Think of it like Oxford Dictionary vs Webster's Dictionary. It's the same basic language with differences, and educated people don't argue over which dictionary is the reference for "real" English.
That was my impression as well. When I closed my eyes I could "see" a real piano in the case of Roland. Yamaha had interesting clean voice "at the first note", but it became rather tiring after a while. And Casio was somewhere in between, not as "real" as Roland, but not as "tiresome" as Yamaha. Does it make any sense?
Yeah I never liked yamaha, not the decade old action and sound both, and it’s frequency of upgrades to its models
Casio px-s1000 awesome is very good👍
Maybe the best comparison ever. Thanks for the recording original sounds. I think you are very obsessive to sound and actions like us, followers of you. I could'nt resist to watch all piano reviews even İf I had Steinway.
Hi friend, which is your favorite key action and sound connection?.
@@ferdearmas8732 Neither of them. Roland action is better for me. Sound is very personal choice and subjective. Only the user must decide, even for action. Casio's action is light but you can't say light action is bad. Every piano has different taste, every brand has it's distinctive sound. Different music genres needs different sounds. This is why the choice is very difficult.
@ Thanks for reply!, are you tried Kawai ES8/920, Yamaha P515 and Roland FP90?, which is better for you?.
@@ferdearmas8732 No.
@ Ok thanks!, are you tried the Kawai ES110 and Korg D1?.
Hi, what about Roland PHA4 defects and issues reported for online users?. Were they solved by roland in this X series?.
I have CasioS1000, thinking of changing to an FP30. But. This is very strange: reviewers knowingly (?) ignore that there are like 4 piano tones in Casio, EACH of them changes quite a lot 3x times more with pushing the reverb button. So its like 10 different tones. And two of them (Bright PIano and Rock Piano are very bright, and they get super bright when played in the most reverberated/chorus mode.)
Tony, I am thinking of buying casio px s1000. What do you think? Do you recommend it? In my country roland and kawai are like 40% more expensive than casio, so they are not in my list
@@felipebragaalmeida2330 Thanks Tony, you told about the most important option to compare 2 pianos, because on every reviewers videos, they forgot (?!!) to explain theirs sounds settings.
I have Casio and Roland FP-30X since one week. Roland's action is definitely more acoustic like. Casio is more beautiful. Casio's sound has something more attractive for me, I don't know what, maybe I own Casio longer time, or maybe it has more characteristics. Roland speakers is downside, so the sound is very base and less present than Casio. I agree also the black keys or white keys difference is not something important for casio. But Casio's white keys, if you press on the extreme high part, it's very heavy and travel less, it's because of pivot point is too close or because of the depth limitation. So it's not convenient if you need to press on the higher part of the keys.
Hi Stu I wanted a professional’s advice on this. If you can help me on this one. I want a digital piano for learning piano and all I care about is the graded 88keys and piano tone to learn piano. Which digital pianos you suggest form Casio, Yamaha or Roland as these are the brands we get here in India. Casio S-100/150 and Yamaha P45 are both around $500 and Roland FP-10 is around $700. My question is… is the FP-10 worth additional $200 dollars and that you would u buy it in this case? Also Casio PX-770 is only $80 more and PX-S1000 is the same price of the FP-10. I am really confused. Your reply will help me a lot. Thanks!
Excellent !
Thank you! :)
By far the most beautiful piano playing to listen to out of the many many TH-cam reviews
Still would like to know about the Inovus i88. If I play a piano with less than 128 polyphony with a sustain pedal fast, the sound cuts out in the middle of playing.
i am looking at buying the PX-s1000, though like the Yamaha sound out of these 3....... MIDI out is a big thing for me... thoughts?
The reasons that so professionally were shown here made me choose the FP-30 between this model of Yamaha and Casio PX 3000. P 125 sounds simple, like I myself sampled the sound hahah. It sustains well, (although overall FP-10/30 holds the notes for longer), but it's pretty simple... it's modern and it doesn't remind you of a real acoustic grand. Yet it has its own beauty.
Casio sounds somehow in between the two. I'd have gone with the PX 3000 if it had a better action perhaps, but the piano sounds have a digital characteristic into them,especially when playing from pianissimo to mezzo-piano. It's great benefits stand on the fact that Casio gives you the arranger within the digital piano.
The Fp-10/30's sound is more complex. You'd here that both in the way how notes resonate together and in the fatness of the sound which has that typical metallic ring. The supernatural sound is a good engine and if Roland would have developed it in its top products together with modeling I would have chosen them in that price-range as well. Now that FP-30 X is coming out, the others should speed things up!
Beautiful, beautiful playing as always... You're splendid!
Hi friend, and what about the key action and connection between Roland, Yamaha and Casio?.
The P125 sounds more like a piano, in person, than the Roland or Casio. The reason is the speaker system, which is the best of all brands at this price point. Yamaha spends more resources than the others in designing their speaker systems. In their Clavinovas, those speakers go to a two-stage calibration using both an anechoic chamber and a 3D hemi-anechoic chamber with microphones listening in a sort of hemisphere/icosahedron. You are listening to a recorded sample through your own home speakers after TH-cam compression here. That is not giving you the true sound of the instrument. Yamaha pianos are more midrange pronounced than other pianos, which may give you the impression of being a simple tone. The other pianos may have applied more filters to muddy the sample. I have owned two Roland pianos and that's what they seem to do: it goes from dark and muddy to harshly bright... I don't think that is how real pianos sound. They are all slab pianos and they all sound digital, but the Yamaha P125 has a speaker system that is superior to the other brands in this price range. If all you plan to do is listening with headphones, then you will be better off buying a vst piano software. But for real sound in a room, the P125 is the best choice.
@@Instrumental-Covers I very much appreciate your in depth explanation and it's no doubt considerable in many aspects.
As i've said before the P-125 is doll in dynamics and tonal color. The sound changes in volume but its other aspects remain the same from pianissimo to fortissimo. That's the way they've sampled this particular model. I think they added 1 layer or two from the P-115 to the P-125,and that's it. The DGX-670 gives you much more even in the piano sounds department. Roland's supernatural piano engine gives you something completely different in this regard. I've heard way too many youtube recordings and the difference with the real deal is not that significant. By all means Yamaha sounds lovely but it fails with authenticity.
VSTs are something different and except from Nord, and maybe, just maybe Kawai Novas no digital piano can mess with them. We have to enjoy what we have or what we can have I suppose. ☺️
All the best to you!
@@stenaldomehilli8809 There is a significant difference between what you hear on TH-cam and the piano in person. When somebody uploads a video on TH-cam, they are already altering the sound by means of their own video encoding, plus the decoding/encoding that TH-cam will apply. Then you will listen to the already altered audio using your own speakers, which will color the sound even further. I would not advice to rely on TH-cam videos to make a statement. In my experience, the pianos in person don't sound the same as the TH-cam videos. For example, the Roland FP30X sounds, in person, mediocre. But on TH-cam sounds much better. Why? Because there is a dip in the midrange in most home speakers that create a smoother sound that what the true real audio is. I have played the Kawai Novus NV10, CA79, DG30 and a few others in person. Do they sound amazing? Not really. They sound digital and probably less than a Kawai K200 (the smallest Kawai acoustic piano, which is made in Indonesia, like all of their digital pianos, including the Novus NV5S and NV10).
The Yamaha P125 has a simple tone in the sense you describe, especially using TH-cam videos, but in person it sounds better than the other brands because of the speaker system. Regarding the layers in Roland: I have owned two of them with the SuperNATURAL engine, and they both sounded too dark then harsh, not like a real piano either. Roland seems to have used a single fortissimo layer and then tame it down using filters. Just because a sound has gradients of tonality, it doesn't forcefully implies that it is "better". It is more complex than that. But again, if what you do is compare videos of their sound using your home speakers while watching these videos, you might get the impression they are better than the real instrument. My advice to anyone is: go to a piano store and play several models with an open mind. For example, I can tell you the Kawai ES110 sounds lame in person, but the Kawai ES8 sounds really good in person. But maybe on a TH-cam video they may sound similar. Most digital pianos will disappoint in person, and a few may sound pretty good. Thank you! The best to you as well 😃
Fp 30x review 🙏🙏🙏
Great review, really helpful for people especially when it’s difficult to try them in person at the moment. good choice to use the speakers
Almost the same as FP10 just a few more features.
i like whichever one...somebody gives more fro Christmas
I like the Roland FP-10 the most but, I can't find it in stock at any reputable retailers. I found it on ebay but, for more than $1,200 (US) new. :-( Some places say it has been discontinued. @MerriamMusicInc what would you advise?
Wait for it to be aviable again
thanks
That enthusiasm at 12:01 😆
Made me laugh my ass off too. He *loves* the Yam! 😆
:D :D
I thought no one would notice 😂😂😂
Also Yamaha and Roland use almost 5 year older tech than Casio. And what is interesting - to understand which tech is better. I'm an engineer and 5 years in tech is like a lot.
Doesn’t matter if it doesn’t translate to feel and sound ! Roland has developed superNatural piano algorithm like 6 years ago but kept upgrading them.
Listen to super natural engine in RD-88, it’s like one of those video games who’s graphics keep surprising you with better and better hardware vs Casio and yamaha who would have sounded the same even when on twice expensive hardware cause they are already playing at the limit of their engine’s algorithm
The only thing that hinders supernatural engine in its full expression is the available hardware for the price range they are selling at
Interesting choice to omit the direct signal and only focus on the speaker system here. I do appreciate this perspective as it's not something that's typically addressed in these reviews/comparisons. With that said, although it might sound different for someone actually in the room, I feel that the yamaha was substantially better sounding than the other two in this video. It just sounded more clear, more articulate, and less 'smeared'. It's almost like you could tell that the other two were being heard through the room and onboard speaker systems, while the yamaha almost managed to still sound 'direct'. With that said, I've seen other reviews of both the Roland and the Yamaha, and while I think that they both sound nice (and depending on the application, I might select either one) I would probably lean towards the Roland if I had to choose only one. So yeah.. changing the format to where you're now also factoring in the sound of the onboard speakers certainly changes things. Just putting it out there, but I'd love to hear a comparison between the Kawai ES110 and the Roland FP10, as well as some thoughts on which would function better doubling as a midi controller.
Thanks for tuning in and sharing your feedback and insight! We appreciate it. It is difficult to properly capture and render the onboard speaker system sound as the microphones you use and the room you play in will also colour the overall sound. We will do our best to make that more of a fixture in upcoming videos though. We're glad you enjoyed it! :)
I'd like to see... Roland FP30x vs Yamaha P125 vs Kawai ES110.. these are same price in my country.
On fp-10 try to plug in headphones and press function + f# (the last one f# on the keyboard). It works on my fp-30, might work for fp10 either.
What for...?
@@ggpabloe if you want to record piano into something, you need to plug it to something. The only way to do it on fp-10 is to connect is via 3.5mm jack from the headphones output. But in that case speakers will turn off. Press f# and fn, and you will be able to hear what you are playing through speakers and to record it.
Poderia fazer a comparação
Korg 380/ kurzueil ka120/ Casio PX 5s
Hi Stu, thanks for alllll the great reviews you are doing. I have a small request that I hope you can do? I wish that you would do a similar in depth review, but with Roland FP-10, Casio cdp s100 and the Korg B2. Why? Because there is not so many reviews about the Korg B2, and how does this do piano compare the two others, and the same goes for the Korg B2 action, is it as good or worse than the other two? At the moment I'm think of going for the Roland FP-10, but I am puzzled about the Korg B2. Wish you the best, and keep up the good work👍
Yeh I was also thinking that. I'm thinking of getting the casio s100 cuz of the fact that is so cheap and the roland fp 10 but kinda worried about the key action that some owners have been complaining about the clicking noises happening from the fp 10 just within like 2 weeks?? Idk I'm confused
@@lonewolfgang_ pls dont bought cdps100 cause the long notes if u press the Pedale is so short and the sound is metallic und plastic u have to bought korg b2 nice looking good sustain and good speakers trust me brooo want that u get the beste piano in your budget
I have an FP30-X on pre-order, so whilst my cards are dealt, I still can't wait to hear your thoughts...
This video might also have the most 'Stu is unimpressed' face I've ever seen when testing the Yamaha, hahaha - th-cam.com/video/Szm73s3t2Rk/w-d-xo.html
:D :D
так у них у всех 0-127 сила нажатия. как там их сравнивать можно, по семплам разве? расширьте силу нажатия до 0-10000 несколько центов стоят микросхемы лишь, хватит сдерживать прогресс
how about Alesis Virtue 88 key?? thanks!
Please do Korg b2 vs Yamaha p45!
That comparison has been done already in other channels.
I would like to buy my son his first piano and enroll him for piano class. Im leaning towards Roland brand but based on reviews, it's somewhat hard to press compare to others. Is Roland a good choice for 7 yr old kid and probably my 5 yr old daughter? Im kind worried that if they don't enjoy the experience, they might like piano at all.
I would recommend Yamaha or Casio for your kids. Roland has a heavier key which It could be harder for them to play.
Hello, a question:
i am about to buy a yamaha p-125 and i would like to know if there is any key
for fine modulation of the sound frequency, so you can play
at 432 Hz instead of 440 Hz.
Thanks.
FP-30X please
You have to wonder if the big manufacturers have creative staff as gifted as this reviewer.
It is hard to say! Stu is quite the talent! :)
Se puder colocar legendas em português
Also Casio action is adjustable as well. You can make it heavier, if you like, or lighter.
What are you talking about
@@Maximusss1385 theyre talking about the keyboard sensitivity setting on the Casio, which allowc the action to be adjusted to preference
Is the FP30X better for MIDI controling VSTs or the P125 which one will be better?
For me, the FP30X would be a better option as I personally find it to be a superior and more authentic touch. Furthermore, I find the triple sensor detection system of the PHA4 action to be more accurate and detailed.
Where would the Kaiwa ES110 slot in the list?
The ES110 is more expensive than these pianos, more comparable to the FP30X in terms of features and price.
I'll bet the replacement for the FP30 comes with a proper pair of line outputs. The FP30 was so nearly the best cheap option for a stage & home studio piano. I'm guessing that the Yamaha P-125 has blown the FP30 out of the water in those applications. But you have to try an instrument anyway. I prefer listening to FPs than playing them. The default response settings seem exaggerated to me.
The Roland RD pianos, however, do Roland credit, so guys, buy an RD if you can afford one. The RD88 is the cheapest Roland I would consider purchasing or recommending - but I'd still need to try that action first. Meanwhile, Yamaha has left a gaping hole in its range. It has nothing as feature rich as the RD88 which isn't both more expensive and much heavier. I bought a P-255 before they discontinued them.
I was thinking of buying the RD 88 since I finally saved up enough money. But I might just buy the FP30x because I also want to get a affordable electric guitar. I have only a 6-9 months of experience on piano and I’m not a performer or professional musician so I don’t really care. Just want to learn something new and impress a girl. 😂
@@thephilosopher5799 Haha. Impress a girl? Be strong and cool, and never let them know that it's an effort for you to impress them.
It takes a lot of practice before you can play the piano so well that anybody really wants to listen, but the satisfaction you'll start to have when it begins to come together - that is indescribable. I'd rather be single than without my piano.
I think you are correct in that the RD88 is unnecessary, since you are not looking for a stage instrument at all. But think about speakers. Time has marched on since my original comment and the new FPx pianos (which all include proper line outputs) are probably the best in their pricepoints now, except for one thing - speaker power. You will need a little additional amplification to get the best they can offer.
Consider adding a pair of nearfield powered studio monitors with woofers of about 6 or 8 inches. With these added to the instrument's inbuilt speakers you should get a big warm sound that still has plenty of definition.
Don't forget the Kawai ES520. It has great piano tones and generous speakers, plus a screen for navigating the menus and better apps than Roland, supposedly. It's a bit more expensive - same price as the FP60x. Those two are the only portable pianos that interest me, but my requirement is closer to professional, and I think my next purchase will be a full-blooded stage piano. Maybe the RD2000 or whatever follows it.
PS There are much easier ways to impress a girl than learning music. I hope you won't give up the music if you don't get results. And if I were you I'd focus on just one instrument until you've made more progress. I'll try to attach a nice music link to inspire you.
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FP-30 X?!?!? BRB.
I have some numbers that either support or refute Stu’s impression of action “heaviness”.
P-125
Middle C (C4) - ~52g
C7 - 50g - >72g (middle of black key)
~65g
C7 - 53g
C6 - 63g
C2 - 75g
C3 - ~66g
C4# - ~52g - ~64g (middle of black key)
>80g to get the sound (T) (faint sound)
PX-S1100
Middle C (C4) - ~61g
C7 - 55g
C6 - 60g
C4# - 40g - 60g (middle of black key)
~75g to get the sound (T/S) (long sound)
S - sustained sound
T - triggered sound
Interestingly, Stu very often compares digital piano action to an acoustic piano action (actions of grand pianos differ from upright pianos as far as “heaviness” is concerned) but never gives any numbers for actions when reviewing acoustic pianos!!!
Thank you for sharing these numbers. The whole topic of action "heaviness", particularly in regard to digital pianos, is an interesting one. While the quantifiable aspects of action heaviness, such as the values and data you shared, are a component of the equation, the responsiveness and reactivity of the tone engine play a part in the overall experience as well if you are judging the feel of an action when playing with the piano sounds active. There is a certain psychoacoustic aspect at play, which becomes important in the assessment; even if that portion of the assessment becomes more qualitative. For instance, the weight required to get a triggered sound versus the weight required to get a specific dynamic result are very different considerations. It is possible to have two instruments that have the exact same measured value to initiate a sound to trigger the sensors, but have a completely different correlation between pressure/velocity and dynamic result. In any case, it is a fascinating topic with lots of angles to explore. Interestingly, what we tend to see in the showrooms is that the highest level players out there (including professional concert players) tend to make decisions purely based on the subjective experience of the piano opposed to specs/quantifiable considerations of the instrument.
@@MerriamPianos I started to check all the pressures to move the keys after NWX in P-515 , that I really liked playing, almost ruined my right hand pinky. Since then I do not trust my feelings (and my pinky is fine).
Michael
I have a Casio 1100 and my friend has a Roland fp10 and for sure, the Casio feels lighter and less realistic. The black-and-white key difference is not noticeable when playing, but of course if you try them one after another, you can feel it. The casio is good for home practice (for apartment dwellers) and with headphones the sound is super nice, too. The bass range as well. Speakers are meh, but not as bad as they sound here (although the 1100 speakers are upgraded). But if at the time of purchase, the Casio didn't have a huge discount - making it cheaper than the fp10 - I would've gotten the Roland. Just because of the action proximity compared to an acoustic grand. Still, I think, it is very nice and easy to play on the Casio. Meaning that you don't get fatigue for a longer time. And I have no issue practicing classical pieces on it (being intermediate, not a pro)
I love you
So in the video of the P125 vs CDP-S350 th-cam.com/video/HJzILG3pNRI/w-d-xo.html you mentioned that the CDP-S350 action was heavier than the P125, now you mentioned that the PX-S1000 was the lightest action of the three, that means the action of the CDP-S350 could be more robust than the PX-S1000 even if the last one is a higher category?
I’m obsessed with the PX-S1000, unfortunately that model wasn’t available until now in my country so I bought last year the CDP-S 350, do you recommend to upgrade to the PX-S100? (I’m pretty happy with the CDP-S350 though)
@@lesterisimoquantico do what you want. You can always sell your current Casio and it will make it easier to get the one you want.
The Casio sounds much brighter than Yamaha and Roland. Is It possible tune It?
I spent the whole video wondering how you were going to get out of your piano prison! :-)
Thanks for the comparison.
A constructive observation: it's really hard and annoying to be trying to listen to the pianos closely while trying to abstract from all the ambient noises.
So sad Es110 is not here.I ordered Es110.
How do you like the Es110?
The Roland sounds the best. The Yamaha sounds tinny to me and the Casio a little more tinny than the Yamaha and not balanced over the whole keyboard.
A lot of the sound thing is subjective. The best piano to get is the one that makes you feel more confident when you are playing it. It will inspire you to play better, and the listener will notice your playing much more than he/she notices the exact qualities of the instrument.
If it's for a complete beginner who will sit exams later, the action is the first consideration, then the main piano tone (FP10 scores well here) but our ears tend to adjust to the biases of the instrument's sound engine. It's funny how people get hooked on certain brands/lines because of this.
... but hasn't the FP-10 been discontinued? I was keen to get one, but have been told to look at an FP-30(x) or Yamaha P45 instead. Even the link in the description pulls up mostly FP-30s ... there's one FP-10 offered by an Amazon marketplace seller at significantly more than the new price at which the FP-10 had been sold.
I asked at a store and they said that the fp10 will continue production in 2022. Hopefully that helps!
I am in Mexico. And in here the FP30 and the P125 jave about the same price. And the Fp10 and the P45 have about the same price. Thence, the comparison it's absurd.
P125 or Px S1000?
could we know which one is your personal favorite?
If that matters to you, just look at his face when he plays them! ;) But what matters is *your* personal favorite. If his personal favorite is the Roland and yours is the Yam or Casio, what's the problem? Plus... perhaps we all have the same taste but not the same ears. Or the opposite? :) Case in point: I just switched $100 pickups with $10 pickups on one of my basses and I like them *much* more. Sold the branded ones on ebay => happy camper... That's one of the cheapest basses I've owned and probably my favorite. And no, I won't put a Fender sticker on the headstock, like some people do!!! Not only would it be stupid but it would be so unfair to the people who've built such a great bass at such a low price!
@@meatyout yo thanks for taking your time to reply to me! I personally love the sound of the Casio.
@@aliengaming.mp4 Cool! Have you watched Stu's extensive review of this piano? th-cam.com/video/v3NOdC6J9lc/w-d-xo.html
@@meatyout YES!!!
That's some super Saiyajin hair there!
I really like to hear all your pianos comparason, but what happend to your hair ?😅
You gotta keep things fresh every now and then! ;)
He uses the same hair dresser as Boris Johnson
Is it true that Rolands are less durable and develop niggles as you use them?
FP30x has 256 note polyphony.$749.99
Tech Specs
Number of Keys: 88 Type of Keys: PHA-4 with Escapemen
Touch Sensitivity: 5 types, Fixed Presets: 12 piano, 20 electric piano, 24 other tones
Polyphony: 256 Notes
Effects Types: Ambience, Rotary Speaker, Modulation
Song Playback: 30 internal songs (SMF, WAV, MP3) Recording: 3-track, WAV 16-bit/44.1kHz
Storage: USB Flash Drive
Metronome: Yes
Audio Outputs: 2 x 1/4" (L/Mono, R)
USB: 1 x Type B, 1 x Type A MIDI I/O: Bluetooth, USB Bluetooth: v3.0 (audio), v4.0 (MIDI)
Headphones: 1 x 1/8", 1 x 1/4"
Pedal Inputs: 1 x 1/4" (damper), 1 x 5-pin (damper, sostenuto, soft) Number of Pedals: 1 x damper
Built-in Speakers: 2 x 4.7"
Amplifier: 2 x 11W
Power Source: AC Adapter (included) Height: 13.5" (with music rest) Width: 51.1" Depth: 36.6"
Weight: 32.7 lbs. (with music rest)
Manufacturer Part Number: FP-30X-BK
Casio is able to run on batteies - $649.99
Yamaha p-125 - $649.99
RIght now I have a pre-order in for a Yamaha DGX-670 -$799.99. It replaces the DGX-660 which has been around for at least 4 years. Owners of the 660 and earlier models say they love the thing. The action is the basic Yamaha GHS action. (Graded Hammer Standard Action) The reason I like the DGX-670 is that is has tremendous capability in the auto accompaniment department, and has over 600 voices and sound effects such as helicopters, The negative is that it is large and heavy weighing nearly 50 lbs which is very close to the Roland fp90x which I consider to be the best sounding portable digital piano on the market today at $2,200.00.
You have a DGX-670 on pre-order? What happened with your ES920 order? Did you cancel it in the end? I mean, a DGX-670 seem to be a big downgrade from ES920.
btw: my CN29 arrived today, been waiting for almost 2 months :)
@@thomasfeldbauer5025 Yeah, a worst key action, but what do you think about Roland PHA4 in FP10/30X?.
@@ferdearmas8732 I don't know because I never got PHA-4 under my fingers.
Only thing I can say is that PHA-50 is better than RHIII. Maybe PHA-50 is as good as GFC or almost as good. My cabinet-width must be small than 139cm, so I was only comparing CN17 (=KDP110) CN29 and CA49. And as benchmark action I tested the CA79. I found my price-value sweetspot to be the CN29. CA49 was better than CN29, BUT it also cost 50% more money... Not worth IMO.
I was not looking at Roland particulary, but I played PHA-50 actinon just for fun. I was impressed by the feel and how close it was to the GFC. Anyway: Roland PHA-50 cabinets have same pricetags as CA49, so those pianos are also not worth the extra money over RHIII from the playability. (But it is reported the PHA-50 is built like a tank and lasts forever while the RHIII is reported to develop clicking noises. Maybe that can justify the higer price-tag. I don't know.)
Just my 2 cents...
As my decission is price-driven, here the prices are about:
CN17/KDP110=900€
CN29=1300€
CA49=2100€
CA79=3100€
Roland-HP704=2000€ (cheapest available PHA-50 action cabinet)
@DikoMan Try Sweatwater.
@@thomasfeldbauer5025 I decided to go for the DGX because it's half the price of the es920 and I was never convinced the es920 sounded completely authentic. Plus I am really impressed with the auto-accompaniment features of the DGX which seem very strong to me. If there's another piano like it, I haven't seen it, but I agree it's like a little Casio keyboard I had years ago. What I don't like about the DGX is its weight and overall size. As for the Yamaha action, I can't say. They seem to put it on almost everything, so it can't be all bad. Obviously it's going to feel like the P-125.
Sir please choose one for me between
Korg ek50in vs Roland E09IN vs Roland BK-3 vs Roland E-X30 vs Casio 9000in vs Yamaha i500.
I am from India. I am an absolute beginner and do want to have the best tonal quality. The next big thing for me is the most number of useful external interfaces and build quality. Next comes most features and better specs.
Thank you.
U do realize it’s a piano channel and he don’t do arranger or synth action keyboards?
Even in synth / workstation category he has reviewed ugh end ones that comes with graded hammer action semi or fully weighted keys. I have never seen him touch a synth action velocity soft touch keyboard with a 10 foot pole
0:23 I don't know why I am thinking of the Dragonball cartoon today
I can see the similarities! ;)
Why are the connections never mentioned? The FP-10 (and the FP-30) doesn't even have dedicated Line Out (L/R) outputs nor USB Audio (In/Out) which the P125 does have. Just wondering why these aspects are often left out. I'm an amateur but it does seem quite important to me. From my understanding it enables you to record in higher quality (audio jack < R/L Line Out < USB Audio) and also lets you play VST instruments from a computer through the piano speakers without the hassle of external speakers. I think the PX-S1000 has L/R Audio output but only MIDI USB and no Audio through USB but i could be wrong (instead it has 3,5mm Audio-in though) . These technical aspects are kind of confusing for a beginner and I wonder why barely anyone explains them. Are they not so important? Otherwise great video as always!
agree. the review looks biased as pretty all the piano reviews on youtube(
The connections are mentioned in the individual reviews. But really, for most people getting a beginner's keyboard the presence of line outs is irrelevant. They aren't looking to record (and if they do, it'll be with their smartphone) or connect a VST.
Im looking for my first piano and would like to learn. Im not looking for the output specially at his price point. What I'm looking is the best sound for cheapest possible. For the specs, I will deal with that later.. probably when I can play like a real pianist.
Casio has crappy speakers, I know because I own one. But with headphones, its completely different experience.
Go for Yamaha 😎
I have the 1100 and while the speakers are a bit better, they're still sh!t. But yes, with headphones or connected sound system the Casio is very expressive and rich. I use it for home practice so fine by me.
Can anyone mention which of these has the longer sustain sound? And perhaps houw many seconds?
I Think the casio
Is it normal to make that much click sound when pushing the keys, it sounds worse than my keyboard
where
I assume, your keyboard has velocity sensitive keys? The hammer action keyboard inevitably means noisy keys for all models. There are mechanical parts lifted and dropped and those will make a sound. Acoustic pianos are also noisy but there you cannot reduce the sound enough to hear it on recordings (usually). But the pianist can often hear it at more gentle parts
@@ashy969I wouldn't call the normal sounds of hammer actions "clicky" - more "plonky" (with the audio muted). Some older actions get clicky due to wear, but I don't hear that in the video
You look like Clay from One Tree Hill.
Lmao
i guess there is no escape for clicking noise. I heard clicking sounds on all the pianos a few times
No piano with hammer action will be noise-less. Just like acoustic pianos, they have a mechanism that is lifted and dropped when the keys are pressed. So far they cannot simulate the realistic resistance feeling (dynamics) otherwise. Just with acoustic pianos the generated sound always will be louder.
he was sold on the roland from the start 34:09.
lol
nut throughout the video he couldn't deny casio being the cut throat competition
I like your hair ...
I'll be sure to pass on the compliment to Stu!
I was going to buy the Roland Fp30, but many are taking me to buy the casio. You can confirm ?
If you're going with a Casio, and the weighted action is a priority, check if it's not the same action as the PX-S1000 series which has this issue th-cam.com/video/EqNK3w-2C6I/w-d-xo.html
This guy took apart the Casio I mentioned, and proved that the black keys are substantially lighter than the white ones, which isn't a thing in any other digital or acoustic piano, and can make playing awkward.
@@DiegoGarcia-br5jw oh thank you. I look at this video, i bought pxs1000 today. I hope will be a good choise
@@Patrixpiano1 How did it go with that casio? did you have any problems?
@@miguelzm no problems, the product is ok, why?have you bought?
@@Patrixpiano1 I'm thinking of buying this digital piano, but I'm undecided after seeing some negative comments.
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Roland is the best... Yamaha should stick to normal piano's and sax.
Yamaha p125 very good
It is certainly a solid instrument! :)
The Casio PXS 1000 & 3000 have the worst actions of any digital pianos in their price class and quite a few below them. Casio made a "slim" case and then jammed a makeshift horrible short-keyed action in it. I'm no fan of plastic actions in general but this one is the worst.
what about Casio CDP- S100? Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard Ⅱ
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