Biggest Bible Contradictions: Evidence for the Bible pt20
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- What Jesus just plain wrong? Was Mark confused? From the straw that broke Bart Ehrman's back to Mike Licona's hardest gospel contradiction this video examines and refutes supposed Bible contradictions. Watch to the end so that you don't miss the big picture and the main point behind supposed contradictions.
This video is #20 in the series "Evidence for the Bible", which is meant to take a person from complete skepticism to rational faith in the Bible as God's word.
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0:54 - #1 Does God Change
4:16 - #2 Is God good to all
7:47 - #3 Was Jesus in Despair or Confusion
16:54 - #4 Has anyone seen God
24:03 - #5 Do I bear my burden or others
25:26 - #6 Should I obey government or not
27:30 - #7 To kill or not to kill
30:22 - #8 - How old was Ahaziah when he became king
31:44 - #9 - How many stalls did Solomon have
36:07 - #10 - Did Paul's men hear a voice
39:47 - #11 - Who killed Saul
42:50 - #12 - Did Michal have children
45:18 - #13 - Where did they go after feeding 5000
51:48 - #14 - why is Matthew's genealogy incomplete
54:13 - #15 - which genealogy was right
56:58 - #16 - was Jesus wrong about the old testament
Amazing sir
CONTRADICTION!!! lol sn
Thank you Very much!
"Face-to-face" literally means in person!
Thank you. God bless you 🙏🏻
Just officially finished the entire 20 video series! It was so good, I watched 1-2 videos per day. Mike, thank you so much for taking the time to do the research and freely share this for people to watch. What a valuable resource. I was incredibly blessed by this series and learned a ton! I will likely go through the whole thing again in the future. God is so good!
I just finished it too! I feel that it has strengthened my faith a whole lot. I'll probably rewatch the first two videos on Daniel because I didn't quite catch all of it the first time through.
I just now finished it. I'd play the videos back to back while playing games. Amazing stuff.
Just finished too! I'm new to faith (~2 months), previously an atheist dabbling in spirituality. I had my born again experience but struggled in my primarily secular environment with all of the accusations against the Bible. This series was a HUGE help in strengthening my faith! Thank you Mike for your meticulous and well presented delivery of all the information!
I just discovered this channel today.12-2-2020. And it's right on time. Praise God
Praise the lord...
Also see jay smith. Dr al garza
I’m here 6/22/21 and also right on time💕
The Bible or you read it all or you don't read it and the Bible is the word of God and the Bible must be read with the help of Jesus and the Holy Spirit
@@9000o-d9f _"The Bible or you read it all or you don't read it"_ : on which basis dare you make such a claim? What about those who can't read? The uneducated peasant in Afghanistan or the slave-like worker in N. Korea shouldn't be saved?
Bart Ehrman is living proof that knowledge does not equate to wisdom.
Thinking that IGNORING the glaring realities that Bart Ehrman spent decades acquiring the knowledge to make astute observations about, including learning ancient languages and having access to the earliest available copies (and that's all there is) of manuscripts, is wisdom... isn't.
That might unclear to you. Bart Ehrman is imminently qualified for textual criticism of the bible, and no not everyone who does "textual criticism" is anti-religious. And neither is Dr. Ehrman. So trying to sound the least bit sharp by that statement is a face-plant into a "wish I was smarter" pie.
@Young Yoda English please!
@@justaguy6100 it doesnt take a a genius to read bart ehrman and realize that he gets a lot of things wrong or just blantantly ignores thing. He also writes with an extreme bias against Christianity so you have to take everything with a grain of salt
@@danielsparham Ok Mr Scholar let’s hear exactly what Ehrmann gets wrong. His scholarship is respected internationally, and even top apologists don’t dispute the scope of his knowledge. They will argue about the details, that’s what they do, but prove he’s wrong about any of his positions before you try and claim he gets a lot wrong. You obviously don’t like his conclusions but they’re grounded in sound scholarship.
@@justaguy6100 you clearly didnt watch the video when mike points out in clear terms why bart ehrmann makes false claims or even just avoids things because they don't fit his arguments
You really have to wonder about someone who isn't content with just being an athiest or a skeptic but instead dedicate their lives to try destroying the faith of others
Faith is trust so if an atheist is destroying someone trust they probably didn't have much trust to start with
Is it destroying faith that results from biblical psychosis or liberating souls from spiritual enslavement????
Do you also wonder about a couple of 'christians' who I met and conversed with at a church Alpha course but have since pretended not to see me when I say hello to them passing in the street? Do you wonder about the christian who has informed me that the Devil is in my house because I do yoga to keep fit? (I could give a few dozen similar examples of christian activities in my neighbourhood.)
@@theotheoth Yoga is very dangerous my friend....regardless of the behavior of these local Christians, you are allowing a doorway into your home.
@@Albertanator Thanks for the advice, but I have (person to person) dissolved this weak claim into nothingness and sent its pedlars gibbering back to their scripture. I would guess that you have next to know firsthand experiential knowledge of yoga, and so would be in no real place to judge it.
The death of Saul, I took the Amaleikite lied to David to try and take credit for Saul's death thinking he would be greatly rewarded. I never saw this as a contraction, I saw a kid trying to gain credability.
I thought maybe Saul looked dead to his armour bearer but wasn't quite dead. 🤔 either way though, no issue here.
Same. The guy lied and paid for it with it his life because murdering Saul is not something David would've rewarded (unknown to the man)
"In the time of Abiathar" doesn't even require that Abiathar be alive at the referenced time. It could refer to "the era in which Abiathar lived", which could include a significant number of years before his birth and after his death.
Mar. 9th 2020 I am completing this series and I must tell you Mike I totally enjoyed it, you did an awesome job, I learnt quite a lot, may God continue to bless you in every area of your life.
Crazy that just reading the Bible properly in its context alone deals with much of the attacks against scripture
Thank you so much for this series! It is so helpful, not only to have answers, but to know that, if you look at an accusation closely, it's likely that you can find a perfectly sound explanation. SO keep calm, and use all the tools at your disposition to find out the truth! :)
Have you ever debated Dr. Bart Ehrman? If so, I'd love to see it.
Maybe there are these seemingly contradictions so that we Christians will diligently search the scripures hence strengthening our faith
True
I'm glad Mr Ehrman isn't involved with the judicial system, as there wouldn't be many convictions if multiple accounts of the same incident weren't allowed to be put together!
Well said
In hopes that our time can be best redeemed for what God intends for us: "Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him," - Proverbs 26:4
Man, I found a contradiction in the Bible! Here it says you should awnser a fool according to his folly:
Proverbs 26:5 NKJV
[5] Answer a fool according to his folly, Lest he be wise in his own eyes.
Dude I thought that wire hanging was a crack in my screen with my phone turned sideways.
Lol.
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I see it too 😅
I did too at first lol
I did too'. Then smoke started coming out of it.🔥🔥🤔🤔😂
Thank-you Mike Winger! In University I signed up for a class called "New Testiment Studies". I was so excited to take this course in secular university. Only after class began did I realize the course was an agrument against the Bible. The text book was written by Bart Ehrman. It was too late for me to find another course and jumble my whole schedule around. So, I stayed in the class and just prayed "Lord, keep me." So, I was basically studying double to find answers to Bart's arguments. I will have my sons watch this 20 part series before they start University it would have been helpful for me.
I would see to the opportunity to learn more! If it was a university-level class with objections to the Bible, I’d assume you were being educated on the best the skeptics have to offer against the Bible. Don’t shy away from challenges but embrace them. We’re all on a search for truth aren’t we?
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@@kennylee6499 Jesus loves you! Call upon the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be SAVED! Get a king james bible an believe. Read Matthew. Read 1 John 4. There are NO mistakes.
There are no contradictions in the Bible 📖 Jesus please help us all understand the scriptures 🙏🏻
You not helping anyone with this to God because they are
@@Wendy-xk5uhwhat?
@@somethingrandomyt8367 there are contradictions in the bible so you cant help people because your not fair
@@Wendy-xk5uh you didn't watch the video did you😑
@@somethingrandomyt8367 in the first place i wasent responding to you
"Special magical device... called context." Love it. On the part of seeing God or nor, it is not uncommon to hear that people "see the father" in the son's actions and ways of approaching topics. For a guy who is deep into the religion of "humanism, rationality and reason", Bart Ehrman really is wilfully ignorant concerning this one. And thereby he proves that 2 Peter 3: 5 is true.
Mike, every time in your explanations where you try to prove something based of the Bible's original text, you are asserting something you absolutely cannot prove. There never has been a Bible consisting of all of the original Bible texts,, so when you need to fall back on the Bible's original text to assert something, you are actually leaning on nothing at all..
Wait... so Winger is disputing Ehrman - who studies the source material and all of their variants- by reading from the Bible as printed? O_o Or am I missing something..
I'm pretty sure the only time he referenced original text was in regard to copyist error. Failing to realize that there were many humans and many degradable materials who copied the Bible many times will lead you to come to the conclusion that the Bible is contradictory, at least/especially pertaining to numbers. Failing to understand the languages the Bible was originally written in and the contexts of scripture will cause you to be so confused. But at one point there was an original document for every book, an original understanding of the text, an original language, etc, and that technically will outweigh all other copies and understandings.
If there is error in the original, there is error in the Bible; if there is reason to believe a copy/translation is in error but the original wasn't, there isn't error in the Bible.
Yes this need for original text opens discussion, but just like you said, there's no way to prove it, so we can either choose the most ignorant explanation or the most logical explanation.
I think you missed him proving the right usage by looking at the context of the preceding or following verse/s which a logical reader always does so it is not strange to do the same with the Bible to defend it. Also he admitted that he only answered this topic but does not mean it covered the whole defense of the Bible because there are a lot of questions that is irrelevant to his objectives.
Regarding the issue that the original text is free from error and not the copies, it is logical to doubt, even Christians should entertain that as well. After all, people before have no access to printing technology that time. But recent archaeological findings, which are inconsiderate to the Bible in the first place, has been proving little by little and consistently that the inerrancy of the original texts is highly possible. Masoretic system of scribal reproduction, the Dead Sea Scrolls and other artifacts are the solid existing evidences regarding the millennial preservation of the texts of the Bible, not to mention the thousand manuscripts of the New Testament surpassing the few to hundred copies of other famous manuscripts of Homer, Sophocles, Aristotle and other brilliant "reliable" philosophers with their writings. We cannot let the latter pass with fewer copies and reject the first considering the mountain of evidences that is hundred times more available than the latter. That is the double standard mentioned that we must avoid in logical interpretation
@Larry Cavalli "are really just pieces of documents" there you finally laid your answer why any evidence pointing to the veracity of the Scripture are unreliable and unimportant according to you. And your interpretation about its connection with the founding of Roman Catholicism is irrelevant. Just because it is connected to a religious organization does not mean the accuracy and preservation of the texts are affected by it
@@coliostro1006 Yes, I believe you're "missing something". Ehrman has stated over and over how we cannot be sure of what the originals would have said. He has debated Daniel Wallace of Dallas Theological Seminary about this. Wallace erroneously claims that we can be quite confident of what the originals said. We have no originals of any book or epistle of the bibles and therefore cannot be certain of their content.
I’ve enjoyed this series so much! Thank you for taking the time to prepare and deliver this thorough series, Mike!!
I finished this series, but where are the archeology videos you were taking about?
How can you even pretend to objectively analyze the bible and your own belief system with a preconceived belief that nothing could ever lead you to believe or accept anything to the contrary ?
I really appreciate all your work and sound teaching. There is one detail in your map regarding the Bethsaida crossing issue. The location of Gennesaret is actually at modern-day Ginosar, which you can see on your map at 51:21. It's south a bit of the location you show on your map. I just thought I bring this small detail to your attention for what it's worth. Thanks again for all you do for our Lord!
Hey this is fun! I have been thankful for both of y’all’s videos. They have been very helpful to me!
Good point, HolyLandSite. Is it possible that the "the wind was against them" references a struggle with the wind, not an exact headwind? In that case, the apostles are thinking "Well duh, He wants us to go to home base in Capernaum; He could have said it plainly, but, whatever..." So they set out, past Bethsaida, toward Capernaum, but God's destination for them is Gennesaret, and despite their best efforts, the wind from the north drives them south to Gennesaret.
Is there a way to answer these questions without disparaging the people who need answers to them?
Hey Mike. Thanks for this series. Wondering if you guys have the full notes avalable for this series. They would make a great study tool
Idk if you'll see this or not but I just finished watching this 20 part series!! I thought that all 20 videos were put together in a playlist? Where did that go? I would love to share the whole thing with others. Also are there more parts to this series considering you said at the end of this one you would continue into some more stuff like Archaeology and science, internal unity, ect. ? By the way, thank you sooooo much!!! I've been so TREMENDOUSLY blessed by this series!! Haven't found anything thing that compares to the amount of content and thoroughness in this series. I watched all 20 vids and have a nice thick stack of notes to reflect on and I'm planning to re-watch them all! Also have found so much of your other videos edifying and fruitful as well! The Lord is really using you Mike! Btw even as I was in the middle of getting through this series I was already able to provide answers to tough questions of skeptics in my life who need Jesus from what I was learning from this, in my conversations with them! Praise Jesus!
Hey everyone! I just wanted to share some good news with you all. Let's just put it this way, the Ten Commandments are called the Moral Law. Ask yourself this. How many lies have you told? Have you ever stolen anything? Have you ever used God's name in vein? Have you ever hated someone or ever looked with lust? This is for you to judge yourself, but chances are that you are a lying, thieving, blasphemous, fornicating, adulterer at heart and you HAVE to face God on judgement day. Now ask yourself this. If God judges you on judgement day by these Commandments, will you be innocent or guilty? Of course you'll be guilty because we've all done these things. The truth is that none of us are good people and we NESD God's grace to make it to heaven. We judt simply cannot do it on our own. These Commandments arecalled the Moral Law. You and I broke the law, Jesus payed the fine. So now what we must do to be saved is to repent of our sins and trust alone in Jesus Christ! To repent doesn't mean to just say I'm sorry, but to turn from our sins and let Him truly be our Lord continually. He said that many will say to Him, Lord, Lord I have done all of these things for you. And He will say I never knew you. Depart from Me, ye who work iniquity! And those will be cast into outer darkness and raging hellfire and loneliness for all of eternity!!! Because we broke His law, He is very, very just to send us to hell. If someone had murdered 4 people and said to the judge, I've done nice things too and have tried to treat people nice but it was just one time, the judge would then say, okay but you're going to jail. And the judge is very just to do that. One last thing, if you were 10,000 feet in the air and you had to jump, you wouldn't jump out and flap your arms and try to save yourself. That's ridiculous! You would put on the parachute. It is the same with Jesus. You must trust Him as you trust the parachute. We are not good and we cannot save ourselves with our own goodness. We must trust alone in Him to save us. In just a moment of time you can pass from death to life. Jesus said, "Verily, verily I say unto you, you must be born again." That is how we enter heaven. Through the blood and grace of Jesus Christ!!!!✝️If you ask someone how to enter Heaven, they will most likely say, "Be a good person." Well the Bible says that none is good, no not one. We like to compare ourselves to guys like Hitler and say, "Hey, I'm a pretty good guy compared to him." But when we compare ourselves to God's standard, we realize that the Bible speaks truth when it says that we all sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God!!! When we see this ( our sin in its TRUE light), we see how much trouble we are in and we say, "Well then there's nothing I can do. I'm going to hell for sure then." It's true that there is nothing that WE can do, but there is something that has already been done for you! God sent His One and Only Son to die on a cross as a sacrifice for our sins! So to recieve that eternal sweet sweet forgiveness, all we must do is repent of our sins (meaning to continually turn from them and confess them) and trust alone in Christ as you trust a parachute. If I was to push you out of an airplane, you'd want the parachute for sure! Don't try to flap your arms and save yourself, trust in the parachute! His finished work on the Cross IS ENOUGH!! He is the only way to Heaven, He said it Himself!! These other religions teach that we must he good and do good things and then maybe if we've been good enough, we will enter Heaven. But if that is true then we are all doomed to eternal hell because none of us are good. That's why this makes sense. Look at the Ten Commandments, they are written on your heart right now!! I promise that you have violated them. And you might still be doing that today. Therefore God is just to poor out His wrath on us because we deserve it!!! But Christ died for us so that we can spend eternity in Heaven with Him! Turn to Him today, and He and only He will save your soul "Verily, verily I say unto you, you must be born again ( to go to Heaven)."✝️
''Men do not reject the Bible because it contradicts itself but because it contradicts them.''
Levy LB nailed it
Umm no..its a contradiction whether u like it or not..belief doesn’t equal reality..humans have gotten it wrong time and time again with religion..Christianity is nondiffferent
Fotia Madness He means your fear of accountability, if you don't know the bad news, that youre a filthy sinner and cannot approach a perfect God. Then you don't understand the good news.
Delores M “perfection” cannot create imperfections...that fact that Lucifer and sin exists in your worldview shows that your god is imperfect..if I build a computer filled with viruses am I a perfect engineer? No I wouldn’t be..the rules apply with your god..stating something is perfect doesn’t make it so..there needs to be perfections across the board with no room for error
Fotia Madness wow, you know what God can or cannot do.? He created perfection with free will, we chose to know evil, and we liked it. Read Genesis.
At around 32 minutes, could there possibly be another explanation?
Maybe at one point Solomon had 4000 horses, at another he had 40,000?
Ohh you said it already lol
To understand word of God, we have to pray and seek guiding us to understand it.
So basically, just interpret it however you want.
@@BlGGESTBROTHER lol
Pray and seek for answers? Lmao
A person honestly seeking truth couldn’t continue to be an atheist
SwolllenGoat yeah it is rather impressive that god did something like that, that’s why it’s in the Bible lol
SwolllenGoat rather slow child? Yikes man I can see the bitterness in your words, and I don’t know exactly when it happened and I don’t have to lol you can search your whole life for when it happened and never find it. Your asking the wrong questions man. If we confess with our mouth Jesus is lord and believe god raised him from the dead we’ll be saved. Not by finding evidence for Noah’s flood, proof is overrated. You might be watching too much Aron Ra
SwolllenGoat yes they are child like, Jesus said to enter the kingdom of heaven I we have to have child like faith, and those are really good questions that we may not answer in our lifetime but that doesn’t make it untrue, love ya!
SwolllenGoat without any evidence? The resurrection is the central point of Christianity and there’s plenty of evidence for that, and I wasn’t taught to believe it I went through a whole phase of questioning what I believe and still ended up a Christian you clearly have something against religion or you’ve just been watching to many of your favorite atheists videos. However, I’m happy god brought you to mike wingers channel and I hope you continue to watch his videos with an open heart
The bible is about as real and accurate as the book of mormon my friend lol
I unsubbed to this page about a year ago due to some videos failing to call our Bill Johnson and a few other heretics. I’ve missed a lot of good information because of my narrow mindedness and hate for that movement. This series is great and encourages Christians to dive deeper into Scripture.
He does have videos now that call out Bill Johnson and others
just finished the series, thanks a lot for all your research and hard work!
I plan to share this with as many people as possible.
I know that humans are ingenious enough to form ipso facto explanations for bible contradictions, but my question is this:
Why couldn't an all-knowing god be capable of writing a book that has no apparent contradictions, and could be read, and understood, clearly by everyone, without the necessity for so much work to attempt to reconcile the all of the inconsistencies? Didnt he have enough motivation to relay his message clearly, or was he simply not able to?
Religion is a man-made fantasy. We have different fantasies and that's why we have over 3000 religions in the world today. If God was real, his WORD would be clear and his EXISTENCE would be as undeniable as the Sun. There would be no argument about his EXISTENCE.
Because the all knowing God is not the God of all nation's. He's the GOD of Israel. The book is designed to be confusing to a carnal mind. The spirit of truth must enter for it's mysteries unlocked.
I'm going to go a head a through out there that most people who believe the bible contradicts itself usually hasn't and wont read the whole book.
Joseph Bishara thank you for clearing that up with your briliance😯
Right. stop listening to man. God said. bible could have been. for if man takes or adds is a sin. MAN SINS SO THERE.
Have there be any additional videos made on this topic as eluded to in the end of the video? The playlist has concluded after 20 videos. Great job. Very helpful.
I'm glad to know we still have some of the same linguistics patterns. Like I say I'm from KC but in reality I live 30 minuts south of KC
So near warrensburg 🤷♂️
Or Lee's summit
Yep, I always claim to hale from the nearest city. I don’t see the point to say some town that only local people will know of.
Dr. Ehrman has said that he finds life without God "desirable" as a lifestyle. While his writings reveal him as a learned Biblical scholar, he also says things in them both related and non-related to scripture that give him away as a secular progressive propagandist. He also seems rather unselfaware. We need to pray for him. Remember, the Apostle Paul was arguably worse than Bart Ehrman at one time.
Regarding Ehrmann, I heard once that "suffering in this world" was what "broke his camel's back." Funny that once he started writing books against the Gospel he got his first BMW.
I'm pretty sure Erhman is a Jew, his name, his looks, his despising the gospels.......screams Jew to me.
Jews and what the bible says about them.@@tribequest9
@@tribequest9 Most of your Bible was written by jews. Jesus himself was a Jew. Christianity screams JEW to me.
The New Testament is basically a commentary on what Jesus said/did and the Old Testament teachings.
The Jews are not to be despised.
I love the color of his shirt. It picks up the color of the painted piece of wood behind/beside him, PERFECTLY! . Pretty cool.
Hello Mike,
My wife and I discovered your teachings in 2020 and we are so blessed by your teachings in spirit and truth. We are from Pretoria South Africa.
However I’d like to put a twist in one of your teachings about contradictions in die bible. In your video “Biggest Bible Contradictions: Evidence for the Bible pt20” published on 13 December 2016 at around 1:07:45 about Solomon’s Chariots you say that it is copyist error.
I’d like to add my understanding here and please help me if I’m wrong.
1Ki 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.
2Ch 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses AND chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen;
Now in the Kings verse it doesn’t tell me how many chariots he had but it tell me how many horses he had for the chariots.
In the Chronicles verse he says that he has stalls for horses AND chariots. Could it be that he had stalls for the horses AND chariots and other stalls just for the horses FOR the chariots? If I then understand it correctly he had 40000 stalls of horses for the chariots and 4000 stalls for horses and chariots I think there were 10 horses per chariot. Reading out of NKJV.
May our God continue to bless you and your ministry brother.
Kind regards,
Johan Rheeder
When people dislike this they're saying 'I hate you for disproving my complacent atheist arguments'
Good work, pastor.
How do u mean
Could be better. And why did Satan keep any powers...
I see 3 Bible contradictions refuted videos. Thank you for these. They are very helpful. I see them numbered at pt 18, pt 19, & pt 20. Are there videos numbered for pts 1-17? Am I misunderstanding the titles?
+Wendy James these are three videos about Bible contradictions which are only part of a much larger series called "Evidence for the Bible". The series is meant to show why we can and should believe the Bible is God's word. Here is the link to the full playlist. th-cam.com/play/PLZ3iRMLYFlHuhA0RPKZFHVcjIMN_-F596.html
"I see." Said the blind carpenter, who picked up his hammer and saw.....lol
Shred Hed fool ! Grow up .... shred head , what a cute name.
You should open up your spiritual eyes and look deep into your own soul !
Then ask GOD to open your eyes that you ma see.
@@wesleygordon1645 And why was any angel in heaven ignorant of God, precisely?
31:53 Solomon having 40,000 horses for 4,000 chariots makes way more sense to me than a "copiest error". Horses get tired, chariots don't, swapping teams & drivers during a battle would be common.
There is no harmonizing the birth accounts of Matthew and Luke or the narratives of what happened after Jesus' death. Ehrman is arguing for an individual reading and appreciation for each gospel and understanding what each writer intended according to their target audience and the circumstances they were experimenting at the time. I agree there are many "contradictions" that can be rebuffed through interpretation or subjetive harmonizing. I tend to avoid these and stick to the accounts that simply CANNOT be harmonized no matter what loops you wish to jump through. I appreciate your articulate delivery of the gospel defense. Its enough for the willing layman, ignorant of any amount of scriptural scrutiny, but it rings empty to anyone who actually has any handle of these topics.
What’s your best example?
@@younggrasshopper3531 Exactly! And his response? Crickets.......I would've expected more from a man claiming to "actually have a handle of these topics".
@@tobinthomas8401 hi tobin dude at this point in life i am abandoning TH-cam debates because ug such futility so I almost agree with him not responding if that makes any sense lol
@@tobinthomas8401 it’s more important to me to have the guts to declare Jesus both the warnings and promises of the gospel to people in my life and pray for them… stay weak in ourselves and strong in the Lord Tobin 💜
I know I’m a few years late but I have the interlinear Bible that has the Hebrew and Greek to English and the word for see is different. Any information on the variation?
Bro you have so much content 😂...I thought this was new and I keep on finding older stuff...how did I not know about you before
I was a bit disappointed by the "Does God change" question, because I don't think the refutation you gave was the best example. I have understood that God has been incredibly patient and merciful and loving, but at some point, judgment does come. The bill comes due (my Methodist friend thinks judgment is a sign that God is petty, so no passages about God's judgment are reliable... I vehemently disagree). Anyway, there are 2 instances where God seems to "change" that I really struggle with.
Here's the context I'm working with here: God spent hundreds of years telling Israel and Judah to repent of their terrible sins before having Assyria and Babylon destroy them.
1) Aaron's sons. They lit the wrong kind of fire for the ceremony, and God instantly sends fire from Heaven to kill them... Then He tells Aaron that if He mourns for his sons' deaths, He'll burn Aaron too. That seems like a radical change in character. He doesn't tell them they lit the wrong kind of fire and tells them to go back and do it right. He doesn't do anything less drastic like cutting them off from the community. He straight up burns them to a crisp and they're probably in Hell. If I ordered a Cookies and Cream ice cream cake for my birthday and the place brought me durian (I hate durian), I wouldn't burn the place to the ground. I'd tell them to go back and fix my order. So, I know people can't be more merciful and loving than God, but I struggle to see how any reasonable human being isn't being more merciful than God here. Perhaps someone has a reasonable explanation. I just haven't found a satisfying one yet.
2) For the next one, it's a similar example, except it's in the New Testament, when Jesus already ascended... He paid for our sins on the cross and is our advocate to the Father. Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5 sell property, keep some of the money, and give the rest to the church. They lie saying that the money they gave was the full value of the property. Peter calls them out on the lie. Instantly, the Holy Spirit kills them. Again, they had no chance to repent when called out. They had no chance to rectify the situation. God, being patient, merciful, and JUST having paid for all the sins of those who believe, knocked them dead and presumably have them burning in Hell without a chance to repent after being exposed. In Paul's letters, he talks about church discipline, on confronting people privately, then bringing 2 or 3 witnesses, then bringing it to the church to elicit repentance... It's a long process. But Ananias and Sapphira were knocked dead in an instant.
How do you rectify this? I've committed worse sins than lying. How do I know the next time I make a mistake, God cuts off His mercy and kills me? My next mistake is the one that trigger's God's judgment upon me. Heck, I already think I made that mistake that revoked God's mercy from because I still haven't recovered from said mistake YEARS LATER though I repented.
I'm struggling with this. I'm not an atheist. I'm a believer (though because of my struggles and doubts, many of you reading this will probably tell me that I'm not a _REAL_ believer, as is apparently the new culture of the church - you're not perfect? You must not have received the Holy Spirit). I'd like a decent answer for my questions, instead of many people's typical answer of, "Oh, you question God? Well, you just need to change your attitude."
I know, Pastor Mike, my questions make me a fool, as you say in your conclusion. But I'm lesser than you, so please be graceful to someone who was made to be literal garbage.
Interesting questions,
I’m not a scholar but I’ll share a few thoughts.
1. As soon as you make a choice you deserve the consequence. We all deserve immediate judgment and any time given to repent is mercy on Gods part.
2. Aaron’s sons were priests and leaders of the community. They set an example for millions of people and generations to come. In gods knowledge of all things and all time he may have known that this was the time he had to make a swift action to set the standard for behavior by people in that position or for those types of duties. One of the letters in the New Testament even warns that teachers and preachers will be held to a stricter standard for the effect they can have with their influence and authority.
We see Moses was forbade from entering the promised land because he struck the rock for water when god told him to speak to it. This is because god had a plan to use the rock as a picture for Christ and the salvation that came from him. Moses had already struck the rock once representing Christs death. By Moses striking the rock again he messed up the picture and faced the consequence. Only god know why one was death and the other was prohibited from the promised land.
3. I believe your New Testament example may be something similar. God knew that he needed to make an example there of how serious it was to defraud the church or use the church for social status. Clearly god has shown great mercy with some modern day “church leaders”. I do not claim to know gods intent but just sharing some of my thoughts on the matter.
@MikeWinger I was excited to share that I just finished watching the entire 20 part series. It took me a couple months to pay close attention, but I got there. However I find it extremely disheartening that so many skeptics and critics are bashing on this comment thread, with arguments the Bible has already defeated in other parts of the series. People really don't want to face the truth even when it's compassionately presented to them. Anyway...thank you for taking the time to do this. More believers need to know what their Bible says.
Congrats on making it all the way through!
Face the truth: Acts 9 says Paul's companions heard a voice, Acts 22 recounting the same event says they did not. Most arguments about errors in The Bible Christians have are non-biblical, desperate, Ad Hoc rationalizations they'd never apply to the Koran or to any other book.
@@michaelflores9220 Why are the troll accounts the ONLY ones being responded to by Mike Winger?
@@michaelflores9220 he literally addressed this “contradiction”!
@11:51 - "...I don't want to quote from one version too much and then get a copywright notice.."
Are you saying that if you quote from certain - or any? - version of the Bible "too much", you receive a strike?
From whom does the strike come - the 'owner' of the translation?
Who defines what is "too much"?
Do you know what this imposed limit is?
Given it's not a complete book to begin with, though....?
pretty sure that was just a joke
Thumbs up Mike. Maranatha!
Looking for errors is not going to get you saved. You need to look for truth if you want salvation.
Loved this series! Thankyou Mike!
Did I miss something or is there other episodes about archeological finds that prove the Bible?
On obey the government.....I have often heard America is a Christian nation or at least founded on Christian principles and that god has greatly blessed America. However; why?...from what I heard from this video Christians should obey the government except to an unbiblical command... yet did not American rebellion to the English crown violate biblical commands? Rebellion was also due to unfair taxation without representation (Ok deeper than one thing I know) yet Christians are told to render what is due to Caesar? So why would America be blessed if the foundation of the country was against biblical commands? True this is not a contradiction of a particular passage but it is a contradiction of failure to obey yet blessed in doing so? Don’t get me wrong....I’m glad the revolutionary war was fought and America exists....but there does seem at least on the surface an apparent contradiction?
I'm even if I grant you that the bible does not contradict itself...lots of fiction books don't contradict themselves...it still contradicts science and historicity. Now you will say this book has 44 authors which makes cohesion more impressive. But it was designed and compiled with cohesion being the goal. So although that may be an impressive feat it is not proof of truth. If it's cohesion does indicate truth we have to accept that the God we worship is a jealous and vengeful God who has the ability to soften and change hearts and does so for his purposes at certain times but in his mercy often kills rather than providing truth or understanding. If this book is true we live in a world ruled.by a terrible god.
Best apologetics teaching I have found!
He is doing the same thing modern theologians do which is explain contradictions to fit his pre-conceieved Christian belief's. Why is it that all these contradictions can be explained by self professed theologians when the contradictions are inherent explanations in their self.
Beliefs*
But why would god change his mind when an all knowing god would know that the people would repent and therefore would already have known that he would have to forgive?
Exactly my question. Many times God was angry or sad. Why? Didn't he know?
There's an aspect of God being outside of creation and humans being inside creation. It's like trying to invision the 4th dimension from our 3 dimensional world.
So God is outside of time, and did know they were going to repent, but He worked inside of their view of time and it is therefore written in human perception of time.
For instance, if God interceded and told them that He had already "changed His mind", even before the issue came up, they would've never repented cause they wouldn't have needed to.
Further, why doesn't God just send everyone who is and will be Christian to heaven right now since He already knows they'll go there? It's just this weird interaction between God and time.
I am so proud of you.. this is cool ☺
God bless. God looks at the proud from far away.
That's stupid to say that changing your mind about something is the same as changing who you are as a being... smh
Bart Erman is one of the least honest people I've ever encountered, and I don't know why everyone praises his scholarship when he constantly gets things wrong. Sometimes, seemingly, on purporse.
Nah he got some good points. And I don't think he has reasons to lie. Unless u a Jesus freak nd u think he working for the devil
@@nampresto143 He makes millions off of selling books attacking Christianity, and he has idological reasons too. He has been caught lying before.
@@inukithesavage828 Bart can be wrong on some topics but what makes u think he is doing it on purpose? To Sell books? Money? Because the bible is the most Sold book in the history of humanity, the Vatican, evangelicals etc make billions out of it.
Bart Erhman changes his narrative about the new testament a lot !!
@@nampresto143 You sound like a complete moron. Unless it's purposeful, in which case you're lying. I figure it's the former.
Amazing, praise to God who gave you wisdom and interest to study in depth
The back bending and pretzel logic Christians will go to in order to prop up their fairy tales is truly
astounding.
Thank you so much Pastor Winger for you dedication to prepare these videos to us who do not have the time. May God continue to bless your ministry.
so Exodus 32:14 suggests that God changed his mind. this would mean that God at some point was unsure or doesnt know the future. doesn't this contradict an all powerful perfect Creator who knows the past present and future in its entirety? thanks.
Did you pay any attention to the first 20 minutes?😂
God may give U a chance to repent or pray to him, so that he shall change his mind. God gives his ppl a way to save themselves. He is Most Merciful, Most generous, and Most Wise
@J J in the words of Rafiki from the Lion King. "Look harder"...answers to everyone's doubts and skepticism and straw arguments, are out there. It's like this, if you accept the Bible as truth, it's fairly simple to understand. If you want to doubt it and be skeptical, the answers are stil there. They just become much deeper and more complicated. I've studied probably 100 hours of in depth credible fact checked video research surrounding the Bible, ancient texts, the science/history/archeology of the Bible, the occult, secret societies, and government. And that's just the stuff outside the scripture itself. The Bible is tested and proven over and over again in a world that "the great deciever" has manipulated. I wanted to know if I was foolishly following a fake god. Now I see I was foolish only in my lack of knowledge and information.
@J J your reply is appreciated also. It is refreshing to hear sincere curiousity and desire for truth, rather than scoffing and mocking. I am native american, raised on a reservation. So since birth, I've been raised to doubt books and their authors, as well as those in power. So I've grown up skeptical and doubting all that is called fact or truth. And that's a great thing. Because I've also doubted what is considered common knowledge or belief. If you'll send me your email address, I'll send you a couple playlists of the most legit information I've come across. I have watched every single intently, and rewind any time I fall asleep(the info can be dry). As for slavery in biblical terms, it's important to look at the times, the verbage, what slavery looked like, what the term slavery meant...shoot me your email.
@@crazyrezreppa as an honest person with questions. You arnt presenting a very convencing point.
Basically what you are saying. Keep reading till you see it as good thing. That would require a initial bias from the get go.
If you put on rosy sunglasses as soon as you open your eyes in the morning. Of course everything will look pink. That doesn't make it true though... Especially when one is trying to find out the true colors to the world.
Mike,
I don't know if I missed it...but could you please please please do a detailed video on the birth stories differences in Matthew and Luke. I am a Christian 4 years and only realized this recently. I'm still going to church, but my faith is really rattled ever since. Also, please answer why would God allow things that throw you off in the Bible ? If everything is God breathed and God does everything perfect then shouldn't there be only clarity?
Thank you!
First off, part of going to church isn't just to learn, but to have a family to lean on in tough/doubtful times. Have you gone to your pastor with your questions? You should talk to them if you haven't already.
Second, what are you having trouble with in the accounts of Jesus's birth? Third, I think Mike has done a very good job of showing that the outside influences (i.e. not internal doubt) that get in the way of God's word are human attempts to twist it.
People have free will, and they use it to do bad things. This whole 20 part series should have proven to you that the Bible is the divinely inspired word that holds true (so long as you don't have a very bad translation). Despite very small minor inconsistencies (like 4,000 stables vs 40,000), the actual theological beliefs it espouses hold true.
I believe one is the genealogy of Mary and the other is Joseph if I remember correctly. (Even though Joseph wasn’t the birth father it was common to show the “fathers” lineage.)
I’ve often wondered why things weren’t clearer and it has indeed frustrated me. The only answer I have is that God wants us to be faithful and these verses serve as an easy test to see if we will remain faithful. Secondly the scripture tells us to study. Maybe it’s a little difficult to understand because he knows that things you work for are more valuable than freebies.?
I believe one is the genealogy of Mary and the other is Joseph if I remember correctly. (Even though Joseph wasn’t the birth father it was common to show the “fathers” lineage.)
I’ve often wondered why things weren’t clearer and it has indeed frustrated me. The only answer I have is that God wants us to be faithful and these verses serve as an easy test to see if we will remain faithful. Secondly the scripture tells us to study. Maybe it’s a little difficult to understand because he knows that things you work for are more valuable than freebies.?
30:59
So.... You DON'T claim the bible is inerrant? If there is even a single copyist error in the document, how can you claim its "Truth"?
If there is copyist errors, what criteria do you use to judge if one claim is simply an error, or if one is true?
Please see 34:52 for an explanation of how this doesn't challenge inerrancy but actually supports it. I do believe in inerrancy. I should also mention that this is not my own private definition of inerrancy, it is the general view. Inerrancy only extends as far as the copies represent the original, and this seems quite rational. To imagine that inerrancy means every copy must be inerrant no matter how badly done seems quite silly.
+Mike Winger
Thank you for the time-stamp, and for responding. I swear I watched this entire 3 video series start-to-finish and can't believe I missed this part.
"Inerrancy only extends as far as the copies represent the original, and this seems quite rational."
While I agree, do you only teach from the original manuscripts that we have no complete copies for? Or do you teach from errant copies?
If you teach from errant copies, is this not a willing distortion of your text?
"To imagine that inerrancy means every copy must be inerrant no matter how badly done seems quite silly."
I imagine that a God as powerful as you claim yours to be would be able to keep all copies inerrant. It is the inspired word of God, no?
Lastly, did you get a chance to review my other comment with a Bible Contradiction?
+Mike Winger
Hey Mike, I never received a response on my comment. I understand you are likely very busy, so I just wanted to poke you here once more to see if I could get a response to my questions and the contradiction I pointed to within the bible.
Hope to comment with you further.
Thanks.
Hi Benjamin, I enjoy having this sort of conversation, I see it as truly valuable and will try and reply to you as time allows. The great and sad thing is that I am no longer able to keep up with all the comments on my videos, but this isn't because they aren't worth responding to.
Do I teach from errant copies? Not exactly. I teach from a translation which is made after available copies are analyzed and strong attempts are made to determine the original reading of each passage. When the original reading is in question there is usually a footnote indicating that issue. This means that the original text is represented in either the text or the footnote and I am able to examine reasons for any textual variation using great resources like netbible.org and the like. It is simplistic to say that their are no issues regarding the text, and some believers have made the mistake of saying this to their own detriment. It is also a mistake to say that any issue equates to a substantial challenge to inspiration or inerrancy, and that is the mistake that I see some skeptics make. I am trying to deal with the facts as they are and not overstate their implications in this series.
It is true that God has the power to keep every copy inerrant. He also has the power to simply hardwire the entire contents of the Bible perfectly into the brains of every human being. But simply acknowledging that God could do something doesn't necessitate that He must in order for us to have a reliable Bible. The fact that He could keep all copies inerrant doesn't mean that He must in order for us to have an inerrant source text. Is it possible that God would give us so many copies that the discipline of textual criticism would be able to say with great confidence "this is the original text"? I think so, and I think this is the case.
I will go look for your other comment and the example of a contradiction which you mentioned before.
Benjamin Tuchek
Biblical Inspiration does not mean every single copy of the "Bible" is innerant. It means the original books made by the authors were inspired by God.
They call them "contradictions" but they are actually just a form of coping mechanism. When Bible is approached with open and critical mind, you get people like J. Warner Wallace and Lee Strobel, when it's approached with feelings and egoism, you get...well...fundy atheists.
Very poor rebuttals to the contradiction in a hypocritical text. The answer can seem as you say pre schoolish because to any one with logical sense can easily decipher nonsense. I am not an atheist but know that the 66 books from old to new are very questionable. Dont even get me started with the new testament haha you would be eatin alive in a real debate or in other words taken to church.
Broke back Bart 💔
I will say congrats on leaving the comments open most apologist aren't that brave
People, my self included, have very short attention span and tend to wonder down to the comment section and stop paying attention to what is said in the video.
That's why I think keeping the comment section closed is a good thing.
Anyways... back to the video 😂
Yeah they need to be more brave . But atheist are very mean for some reason that's probably why
23:07 he says: "face to face" means Moses would talk and God would answer.
The bible literally explains what face to face means in **the next 8 words**
22:56 "face to face, just as a man speaks to a friend"
That is blankly ignoring the text.
Anybody else catch he accidentally punned mark firman from the OJ trial?
Can you touch on the point of Genesis chapter 1 an 2 an the diffrent order of events of creation.
Listening and thank you!
The people who present the contradictions of the Bible are telling you the truth
THESE were the biggest and beat contradictions you could find? They are not even meet for our salvation. How about we get into Paul's writings? We would really be playing hardball then.
These are light weight contradictions in Comparison to many of the others🤦🏽♂️
Their are no contridictions.
Straw men are easy to know like down
@@VitoHoffa There is no spoon...
Napoleon Jones
There are some but not as many as critics claim.
And most of those contradictions are in the KJV translation due to either old language or poor translation of verses
“Delays judgement and is quick to forgive”, I immediately think of the Adam n eve story.
Can you do a series SPECIFICALLY about scientific errors?
No need, the Bible is totally inerrant on science as it gets everything right, in regards to the physical world, with unparalleled accuracy
@justaguylearningmusic No, it does not. This is totally absurd to claim, actually. The Bible is a collection of books written by people who did not have a clue about science. Sure, if you apply a far-fetched interpretation on specific passages, you can find whatever you want to find, but that's not proof the Bible gets it right, it's just dishonest cherry picking.
@@johnpetkos5686 Idk, Isaiah 40:22 seems pretty rock solid.
There is no science in the Bible. Science is the study of process. The Bible tells us how to go to Heaven, not how the heavens go. There's no explanation of process in the Bible.
I'm reminded of that meme from Clone High.
"Last year, Abe said he was 15. But now he claims to be 16! Which is it Abe?"
28:08 so savage 😂😂😂
Beets By Schrute guy you're easily impressed.
@@grosbeak6130 being easily impressed is great actually lol it’s a way happier life than being a snob
i mean getting these questions from atheist sources is good but once i googled “questions christians can’t answer” and clicked on one of the first things i saw and it had questions like “how did noah fit all the trees and plants on the ark” and “the bible mentions a talking donkey so why are there no talking donkeys”
so uh. not all skepticism is created equal i guess
some of the groups i’m part of online intersect largely with atheism, and it’s easy for me to start thinking, not exactly that they’re right, but that atheism is always smart and rational. just because that’s the general opinion of a lot of people i interact with. and i do respect people’s refusal to believe something that honestly doesn’t seem logical to them.
but some of the arguments i’ve heard against christianity are just so stupid… while acting so smart… at a certain point it’s just comical
These people never go outside, so they don't know what a seed is.
Correct.ive studied too and its messed me up.i believe there's a CREATOR GOD but not sure who.!
Same here bro so many lies. I thought I had the truth and had it all figured out. Until a actually started reading the bible. Then I realised, nope I actually know nothing at all 😂
@@osascamp1002 well maybe you should put that book down; if any of them are real it'll be one that can stay consistent with its characters and lore.
@@DisasterEnby put it down months ago lol im done studying that crap way too many contradictions it's crazy
Truth Seeker I pity you you must not have watched the video I learned I can’t trust any Atheist or anyone who tries to discredit or debunk it
@@305thief8 then go, suffer in your meaningless paranoia.
Your former step dad is your current uncle in law? I can't wrap my head around this. How does that work?
40,000 horses and 4000 chariots. Horses get tired, chariots don't. Want to keep your chariots in battle? Have fresh horses on standby.
Do you have historical material to support the idea they changed chariot horses during battle, or did you just come up with that? ;)
If they were really atheists, why would they use the almighty dollar that says " In GOD we trust ". GOD is the same, yesterday, today and Forever.
What an idiotic logic, no wonder you believe the god crap, any god.
@@yourname3336 when you die and find out there is a GOD you will definitely see the crap. Hell yes.
In God we trust was not even printed on paper money until 1957.....many of the founding fathers were more Deist than Christian....in fact some such as Thomas Jefferson and espcially Thomas Paine had a very negative view of and about Christianity.....but the claim of the Bible having no contradictions is utterly ridiculous....there are several....and u have to try and squirm your way out of them to explain them away.... funny how the word "context" always comes up in defense of the Bible, but never brought up when pointing out how the gospel writers took things out of "context" to support their theological beliefs.
Man I wanna see mike winger and Jeff durbin debate some famous athiests like bill Nye and Neil Degrassi or someone from the infidel or William Craig
How often do believers actually admit that there are errors in their holy books?
Winger most likely would not accept these apologies from Jews or Muslims.
Christians always have a hard time seeing flaws in their theology.
To play devils advocate, someone arguing for their own beliefs will always naturally know more about it, but also will be biased in favor of it. Someone arguing against the belief will know less about it and be biased against it. So when arguing about this, it's necessary that both side literally has a passion to understand the other side as much as possible.
@@homeschooledrapper9174 Thank you for your comment.
I would add that this makes it important to discuss things that can be proven as objectively as possible.
In the realm of religion, you notice that the gods are always silent about how they really feel.
There's a simple reason for that.
Amazing how far people go to rationalize illogical stuff.
Ruben Vasquez evolution is illogical prove me wrong. What proof do you have that we come from prehistoric soup from the ocean or the fudge factor.
@@kjcarter100 and yet we have tons of proof that God got bored one day and made a civilization
Amen and also how a human being creates children, how we got bored and created technology. Was we bored when we did those things?
Amazing some would listen
Something that confused me is when the rich man and the poor man go to hades in the old testament. Rich man is on one side and poor man on the other divided by a casim. The poor man was next to abraham and the rich man was in fire being tortured. Rich man asks for a drop of water. Now i dont know if this is part of christianity belief but i have heard it quoted by some so i will assume. The rich man is being punished for his actions in life but everyone is supposed to be judged together.
I think it's just a parable. So it's not a literal event transpiring, and it's also not a teaching on the physical set up of heaven and hell at that current moment. It's just an illustration to get a point across to his audience
Mental gymnastics...shouldn't a message from 'god' be crystal clear?
a man who claims to be God, proves it in many ways- still wasn't crystal clear.
Gem Guy In what ways did he prove it?
being dead from Roman crucifiction buried in a tomb and gone 3 days later- just one of many but by far the best example.
Gem Guy and you believe this why?
my own study, even most secular scholars within the field believe His tomb was empty after a Roman crucifixion was carried out.
Literally, Jesus was the greatest conman to ever trod the earth, or He was who He said He was.Your choice to reject or accept.
#6 is a crucial one for Christians to get their head around, not just to rebut sceptics but to guide us in our daily lives. Christians aren't meant to be some kind of left wing anarchists out to smash unjust systems and break all the rules in the process. Equally, Christians were never called to partner with ruling authorities in handing out injustice, we are called to self sacrificially care for those in need.
God Bless you Mike!
Former Rabbi in training Erin Budgen related that in addition to Mary being the biological mother of Jesus, there was one more indication for the preservation and relating of her genealogy, and that was in relationship to the family inheritance of land, the separation and dispersion of those in the North or South etc, often the maternal genealogy was increasingly relied upon to determine legal succession.
bla what what
“… the earth abideth for ever.” - Ecclesiastes 1:4
“… the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” - 2Peter 3:10
"I've not seen you in forever" said one finite being to another.
The earth abideth forever in fervent heat. How is that hard to understand?
Winter White yes, it’s like saying “the sun will rise again” or “the seasons will change”, yet the Bible is clear this current system will inevitably end and a new heaven and earth be brought about, one with no sun and no seasons.
In the Hebrew, sometimes forever doesn’t always mean “infinity and beyond”, but it sometimes mean “continuously” or “long period of time”.
Thats because solomon had no knowledge of Jesus and the end times. This was the OT
It’s really sad hearing the contradiction that “broke Bart’s back” because it’s so easily resolved and instead he just dove into atheism ):
The fact that this is a twenty part series is is alrarming
You're taking the series out of context. They are not all about contradictions.
The supposed contradiction can be answered in a couple of ways.
Yeshua said: *"... when Eḅyathar (Aḅiathar) was HIGH priest." (Marcus **2:26** P'shitta).* Aḅiathar (1 Chr. 24:6) was the father of Aḥimelech & may have still been living at the TIME. Since there can only be ONE HIGH PRIEST at a time, that means Aḥimelech was only a PRIEST & could of still given David the consecrated bread & Golyath's sword (1 Sam. 21:6 [7]) during Aḅiathar's notable time as HIGH PRIEST.
Otherwise, the name "Aḥimelech" may be a surname [2nd Name]. He may actually be Aḅiathar Jr. [aka: Aḥimelech] b/c his father's name was Aḅiathar & Aḥimelech named one of his sons Aḅiathar. It looks like a pattern. So Yeshua may have meant: *"when Aḅiathar Jr. [aka: Aḥimelech] was high priest."* That would mean that the Old Testament addresses him as his surname Aḥimelech to distinguish him from his father Aḅiathar Sr. Aḥimelech’s father AḄIATHER was probably addressed as his surname "Aḥituḅ" more often to also avoid confusion (1 Sam. 22:9, 20).
Thus hypothetically, Aḅiathar Jr. [Aḥimelech] also had a son who was Aḅiathar III (the 3rd). King Shaul ordered Doeg the Edomite to kill all the sons of Aḥimelech. However, Aḅiathar III was the only one who escaped & became the next high priest (1 Sam. 22:9, 18-20; 30:7).
Hi mike, just a suggestion, when you read 1 King 4:26 it is clear that Solomon had 40 000 stalls for his horses with out chariots but they where for his chariots i.e. the horses had stalls wherein they where kept when they were not needed for the chariots.
When we read 2 chronicles 9:25 it is clear that Solomon had 4000 stalls for his horses with chariots i.e. when the horses where attached to their chariots he had 4000 stalls where in they could be kept
How many stalls did Solomon have? Minute 31 to 32. There is no contradiction or copyist error Man of God. I will show just now what I am saying. READ VERY CAREFULLY, OBSERVE THE TEXT. I Kings 4:26 said, "Forty Thousand stalls of horses FOR HIS CHARIOTS,...
2 Chronicles 9:25 said, "...Four Thousand stalls FOR HORSES AND CHARIOTS.... Note the AND
IT is two different stalls:
1. Stalls (40,000) for horses ONLY for his chariots.
2. Stalls (4,000) for HORSES AND CHARIOTS. This is less because it takes more space for both horses and chariots. There is no contradiction or error - just read carefully.
What about when Iron chariots could impede or defeat Jehovah, though, @Stanley Ivey ?