A review of the MTH 3-Rail O-Scale 2-8-8-8-2 Erie Triplex. More videos available on the Eric's Trains TH-cam channel and at www.ericstrains.com. Enjoy!
Gotta love how this thing was LITERALLY SO POWERFUL THAT IT SNAPPED COUPLINGS on heavier trains. Never heard of a locomotive getting put out of service because it was too powerful before.
Fact: Did you know some people consider the triplex to be the world's largest tank engine. I mean on a tank engine, the engine and tender(or bunker) are one in the same.
@Black 5 Club normal tender engines don't have drive wheels under the tender, tenders are normally a separate car that contains the fuel (wood/coal/oil and water) to the engine, therefore if the tender is part of the drive wheels, it makes it a part of the locomotive itself, so it is a tank engine
The VGN Triplex needed the four-wheel trailing truck because it was used in pusher service on Clark's Hill and had to be able to operate in reverse to return to the helper station. The four-wheel truck made it better at handling curves in reverse.
Apparently Baldwin planned to make even bigger steam engines if the triplexes proved successful. There are some early blueprints for a 4-8-8-8-8-4 quadruplex and a 4-8-8-8-8-8-4 quintuplex locomotive. Yes, the engineers at Baldwin must have been on some serious drugs.
Eric, isn’t it crazy that 7 years later we get to see this model BLOWN OUT OF THE WATER by Lionel!? MTH “closing” might’ve been a blessing in disguise!
If I ever get this, the big boy, Challenger, one of the 9000s, and the 2-10-10-2 having the big guys running at higher speeds and the 9000s handling passengers
Great Engine, one of the great things I like that I don't see alot in engines is the star up, it has a smooth transition for a stand still to movement that I don't see in most engines. Nice review
The stack on the tender is for exhaust steam from the rear set of drivers. Actual smoke does not come out of that stack. FYI, the Erie Triplex used compound drive. High pressure steam from the boiler went to the middle set of drivers. Exhaust steam from the middle drivers then went to the front and rear cylinders.
Thank you for your well done videos. I would like to mention another problem with the 1 to 1 scale triplex. The 3rd engine primarily under the tender did not exhaust through the smokebox and did not help to force a draft through the firebox and we know that the fire needed all the help it could get to make steam. Thanks again for your videos. Keep them coming !
@ERIC'S TRAINS: Ha, Ha, Ha, this train was big and USELESS. Right after it started to leave the station it had to be REFUELED, LOL!!! It was the COAL GUZZLER of its day. GREAT HISTORICAL COVERAGE of this ERIE TRIPLEX, THANKS Eric!
Fun fact: there was also plans to make a Quadruplex and Quintuplex but there were never built, a Quadruplex was built in Belgium, however, it was built in a different design.
Like Gomez Addams (TV show, Addams Family), I wrecked most of my 0-gauge toys. Damn near indestructible old Lionel. Had an HO gauge model but never used it -- radius required too great. This loco is just superb. Fine review. Thanks x 1000
I wasn't fast because of my small boiler capacity but I pulled 'em cars 'till I ripped off the knuckles. Then they've told me to push 'em, I've pushed 'em hard like a champ.
the real picture of that ,, it was just huge ,, most them workers didn't even stand as high as the driver wheels ,, wow ..great video ,, love the history you always add
The only 2-8-8-8-4 ever built was a Mallet-type for the Virginian Railway in 1916, it was built by Baldwin Locomotive Works. The 2-8-8-8-4 became the only example of their class XA, named for its experimental nature. The XA consumed more steam than the boiler could produce and was unable to achieve speeds greater than five miles per hour. The XA was sent back to Baldwin in 1920 and rebuilt as two locomotives, a 2-8-8-0 and a 2-8-2, these two engines were in service until 1953.
I was at a train show recently and saw a solid brass model from Key imports for $1800, and later looking in my old model railroader magazines from 1961 saw the original price of the model was $200 and used and inflation calculator and saw they were roughly the same price
AWESOME review as always Eric! Yeah I love the Triplex, I have the PS2 version #5016 Russian blue, however I have had a lot of problems with mine. Anyways, thanks for the video bro and have a great one!
12:48 "we have some different equipment here and there." _gloss!_ The "here" equipment are the *air pumps* (as they _were_ called; nowadays they'd be called compressors.) These provided the motive agent for the brakes. The "there" equipment: hard to tell with the quick view, but likely include the main reservoirs (for the air) and perhaps an air cooler further aft. I suspect that pipe on the tender rear was rather called a *_steam vent_* than a smoke stack, given that no smoke passed anywhere near this thing. Amazing piece of work. No surprise at the 6' radius requirement!
Hi Eric: A fantastic review of a very unique locomotive. When you showed us the cab interior I believe those two pipes on the backhead terminating above each firebox door were part of an early mechanical stoker. MTH seems to have improved on the tender exhaust from previous issues and the whistle sounds great. In my opinion, MTH releasing that engine as a Virginian even though it is not prototypically correct, is their way of getting more use out of their tooling and maximizing profits. I also like how MTH has blackened the wheels on a lot of their Premier steam engines. Much more realistic.
Eric, this is another fine video on a very interesting locomotive. One thing I wish you had covered was how to access the battery. I bought my Triplex from an online table show sponsored by a reputable nonprofit train foundation. The engine's lights illuminate when power is applied, but the locomotive won't run electronically (sounds or smoke) or mechanically whether attempted conventionally or via DCS. A knowledgeable train pal suspects the problem is the battery. I of course tried to charge the battery with 18 volts on the track for about twelve hours, but that didn't work. The engine didnt come to me with it's factory paperwork unfortunately. So I need to access the battery compartment and either replace the battery with a new one, or preferably with a BCR. The train foundation has offered to refund the purchase price, but I love the engine and just want to get it running and not have it as a shelf queen! Thanks in advance
Great review, love the Russia iron boiler. I'm thinking if you have to take the loco and tender apart it might help to mark the drive rod/receiver assembly with a line of nail polish (your choice of color, clear not the best) to help align them for putting them back together.
In real life, for each engine , when the right side driving rods are bottom dead center, the left side driving rods are back dead center. Articulated engines have two separate driving assemblies including cylinders, using a common boiler.
I, too, live in NC. And, yes, the Erie ran through New Castle. Along the right bank of the Shenango River north to Erie. It interchanged with the P&LE/NYC, which had trackage rights on this to Westinghouse in Sharon, PA.
Oh God this is pure Locomotive Porn!! What a huge Modell from M.T.H. My rail road vocation starts in 1973 when i grow up with MÄRKLIN and when i got my first model train. But since a few years i buy more and more models from M.T.H., Bachmann SPECTRUM and others because their models are excessively detailed with a lot of functions. I am deeply impressed from 2-8-8-8-2....... Thanks for the nice Video :-)
Beautiful engine. I'm curious to know, when you take this model out of the box, will the Engine and Tender already be connected to one another, or do you have to put them together yourself? Can you put the model back in the box with everything still connected? Judging by what you were saying in the video, it seems like putting them together is a massive pain in the rear. Thank you.
I think that technically the rear smokestack is only a steam-stack as the smoke from the fire goes out of the from end. I think the biggest advantage of this design is that it did not require large low pressure cylinders since there were 4 of them. This might have worked better as an engine meant to run fast but it really failed in pusher service as they usually ran it in 'simple' mode and fed high pressure steam to all six cylinders. Even a later super power boiler would not make enough steam to keep this up for long. The Nineteen Teens boiler was completely unable to evaporate the required water. I expect Baldwin new this but they would build something as long as you were paying.
Eric, I like the video. Just one correction, the stack on the tender is not realy a smoke stack, it is the exhaust fron the rear set of drivers. It was apparently two costly to send the exhaust to the smoke stack for added draft on the firebox.
14:43 I once thought of a device that lets you drive the engine on to a piece of track into a box with handles, so you can lift the engine without touching the engine itself. 18:53 it's pretty unusual to have two firebox doors! 21:47 is that a dog or a locomotive sound? I like this model! good job presenting this!
I have a premier Triplex in O Scale and I've had so many problems with that thing they are very fragile locomotives I've at lest had it to the shops twice. I hardly run it anymore. Its had electrical problems, the cord from the tender to the locomotive that plugs in I've had issues with, and I'm now having smoke issues with it. It is a old PS2.0 one tho so I am not sure how well the 3.0 one is or if they ever fixed a lot of the issues with it.
oh ok thanks for adding that extra bit of info. Also yea the N&W Y3's also ended up as hump engines until they were scrapped as well but did move cars around the yards.
Makes me wonder what it would have sounded like. A typical Mallet of compound expansion steam had a single chuff sound. But since the Triplex had 4 low-pressure cylinders and 2 high-pressure, I wonder if it would be the double-chuff sound or single? Unfortunately, I don't think there are any records of people mentioning this in books.
The Virginian 700 was split into two locos, one being the Virginian No. 614, a 2-8-0 from the front section, TALK ABOUT A BOILER! And you could probably take that engine to trainmaster and get two more motors put in so you could pull a train soo long you could couple it up to the front!
Fun fact: This was technically the world's biggest tank engine.
And the most powerful
Troll Films the engine’s drive wheels extend beneath the ‘tender,’ which serves as a huge coal bunker and water tank. Yeah, this is a tank engine.
Troll Films r/wooosh
Spencer: tank engines can’t pull heavy loads!
Triplex: hold my beer
I hate and love this comment
Gotta love how this thing was LITERALLY SO POWERFUL THAT IT SNAPPED COUPLINGS on heavier trains. Never heard of a locomotive getting put out of service because it was too powerful before.
You should see the 2-10-10-10-10-10-2 quintuplex locomotive.
It's bullshit, they were trying to pull too heavy of a train
@@sharkheadism I agree
@aranimation7933 and because it broke the tracks
Jeremy Clarkson would always say, *POWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!*
Fact: Did you know some people consider the triplex to be the world's largest tank engine. I mean on a tank engine, the engine and tender(or bunker) are one in the same.
They are technically permanently joined by an articulated frame and steam pipes, so its an articulated tank engine
@Black 5 Club normal tender engines don't have drive wheels under the tender, tenders are normally a separate car that contains the fuel (wood/coal/oil and water) to the engine, therefore if the tender is part of the drive wheels, it makes it a part of the locomotive itself, so it is a tank engine
The VGN Triplex needed the four-wheel trailing truck because it was used in pusher service on Clark's Hill and had to be able to operate in reverse to return to the helper station. The four-wheel truck made it better at handling curves in reverse.
I just got back into model railroading, I got to say this is one of the most interesting locomotives I never knew existed up until now.
Also objectively one of the most useless
Apparently Baldwin planned to make even bigger steam engines if the triplexes proved successful. There are some early blueprints for a 4-8-8-8-8-4 quadruplex and a 4-8-8-8-8-8-4 quintuplex locomotive. Yes, the engineers at Baldwin must have been on some serious drugs.
(2-10-10-10-10-10-2)
That is honestly quite hilarious just thinking that. Man it would’ve been cool if the triplexes succeeded, those could’ve happened.
@@joserodriguesdeoliveira2957put the whiskey down lol
Eric, have you ever seen Lionel's 2-10-10-2 locomotive! ITS GIGANTIC!
I know it's like the 9F, aka on Thomas the Tank Engine & Friends Murdoch, on steroids.
The Big Boy is bigger.
Is the 2-10-10-2. Available in two rail and HO scale???
a 2-10-10-2? that would be massive!
RMS Aquitania fan 55 They were massive. Ran by the Erie Railroad. 800 class loco. Tractive effort around 160,000+ lbs at 85% BP
Eric, isn’t it crazy that 7 years later we get to see this model BLOWN OUT OF THE WATER by Lionel!? MTH “closing” might’ve been a blessing in disguise!
It's gonna be a great model, but time will be tell if it's better than the MTH model.
The PFA was ver funny. "Don't worry, Leroy!" Great review!
(10th like) Are the crew members telling us that we do not need to worry about them?
I’ve always called the Triplex *”the HUMMER of Steam Locomotives”* because they used up steam so fast like how a Hummer burns through fuel. 🤣
If I ever get this, the big boy, Challenger, one of the 9000s, and the 2-10-10-2 having the big guys running at higher speeds and the 9000s handling passengers
gives a whole new meaning to "traction engine".
True
Outstanding, beautifully crafted with great details.
I could watch this unit run for a couple of hours.
Thanks for sharing.
Hi Eric, that's such a beautiful layout. Thank you for making this.
Great Engine, one of the great things I like that I don't see alot in engines is the star up, it has a smooth transition for a stand still to movement that I don't see in most engines. Nice review
I WANT IT MOMMY!!!
Oh jimmy why can’t you get this one?
Points to a polar express elf hand car
i feel you jimmy
Mommy. Thats shit. This is awesome!
Woman I have no idea who you are but you ain’t my momma
One like equals one Erie triplex 🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂
@@Perplexion_ So basically 4? We need variations lad. :)
What a amazing locomotive in model and real life. Great video Eric
The stack on the tender is for exhaust steam from the rear set of drivers. Actual smoke does not come out of that stack. FYI, the Erie Triplex used compound drive. High pressure steam from the boiler went to the middle set of drivers. Exhaust steam from the middle drivers then went to the front and rear cylinders.
Well yeah obviously real smoke doesn’t come from the stack
Huh?
The whistles on this train emits a haunting sound !!!! Almost nasal ! Start to finish , what a unique auditory experience !
Thank you for your well done videos. I would like to mention another problem with the 1 to 1 scale triplex. The 3rd engine primarily under the tender did not exhaust through the smokebox and did not help to force a draft through the firebox and we know that the fire needed all the help it could get to make steam. Thanks again for your videos. Keep them coming !
Really good and thorough review and some nice shots of it running... Steve
I enjoy your history review at the beginning thank you!
@ERIC'S TRAINS: Ha, Ha, Ha, this train was big and USELESS. Right after it started to leave the station it had to be REFUELED, LOL!!! It was the COAL GUZZLER of its day.
GREAT HISTORICAL COVERAGE of this ERIE TRIPLEX, THANKS Eric!
The triplex's are one of my favorite steam loco's
As impressive as the were mechanically -- both real and the model -- they don't look as elegant as the Big Boy.
Eric, fantastic review, I just purchased this engine and found this review helpful. Very thorough and you did an awesome job. Thank you!!!!!!
Great reviews and awesome engine.
nice to hear from you again
Great history lesson on this engine
Another good video. Enjoy the history of the units you feature.
Beautiful engine, great review as usual thanks
Fun fact: there was also plans to make a Quadruplex and Quintuplex but there were never built, a Quadruplex was built in Belgium, however, it was built in a different design.
I love these 2-8-8-8-2 Triplex from Erie and the 2-8-8-8-4 Virginian Triplex, these are my favourite American Locomotives.
Fine review, and wonderful model
Great engine and your track is fantastic.
Awesome engine and review Eric!
Awesome engine and video, Eric!
Like Gomez Addams (TV show, Addams Family), I wrecked most of my 0-gauge toys. Damn near indestructible old Lionel. Had an HO gauge model but never used it -- radius required too great. This loco is just superb. Fine review. Thanks x 1000
I wasn't fast because of my small boiler capacity but I pulled 'em cars 'till I ripped off the knuckles.
Then they've told me to push 'em, I've pushed 'em hard like a champ.
A thoroughly interesting website Eric.
the real picture of that ,, it was just huge ,, most them workers didn't even stand as high as the driver wheels ,, wow ..great video ,, love the history you always add
been a while sense it watched one of your videos! nice!!! thanks for sharing!
Great engine and great video as always! There's a guy in Oregon who built a replica of the Triplex in 7.5" and I got a chance to ride it last year.
Sean Gildersleeve I would like to see a video of that. I have the G Gauge version from MTH.
Awesome train now I want one
Best review ever.. on just about anything.
Super presentazione.complimenti!
Great video. Thanks for posting this. Have a nice day.
The only 2-8-8-8-4 ever built was a Mallet-type for the Virginian Railway in 1916, it was built by Baldwin Locomotive Works. The 2-8-8-8-4 became the only example of their class XA, named for its experimental nature. The XA consumed more steam than the boiler could produce and was unable to achieve speeds greater than five miles per hour. The XA was sent back to Baldwin in 1920 and rebuilt as two locomotives, a 2-8-8-0 and a 2-8-2, these two engines were in service until 1953.
That's really something watching all of the drive rods in action.
Finally a triplex review
I was at a train show recently and saw a solid brass model from Key imports for $1800, and later looking in my old model railroader magazines from 1961 saw the original price of the model was $200 and used and inflation calculator and saw they were roughly the same price
it seems like quite a few engine builders thought bigger is better, and every few model videos I see, keep getting bigger and bigger
As a model train its great tho. Looks cool and doesn't have the slow speed issues of the real on. Goes really fast.
Great engineering. Thanks.
AWESOME review as always Eric! Yeah I love the Triplex, I have the PS2 version #5016 Russian blue, however I have had a lot of problems with mine. Anyways, thanks for the video bro and have a great one!
There was no fire in the Tender, so there was no smoke. That was Exhaust Steam.
Great video- you have nerves of steel separating the engine from the tender. Good job.
Nerves of steel? More like nerves of *titanium*
I was waiting for this review!! :D
I love the humor in the pfa sounds
Don't worry, Austin.
The whistle sounds great.
It seems like the triplexes had a pretty unique stack talk
There's something satisfying about when you had it pushing
Made me so moist
12:48 "we have some different equipment here and there."
_gloss!_
The "here" equipment are the *air pumps* (as they _were_ called; nowadays they'd be called compressors.) These provided the motive agent for the brakes.
The "there" equipment: hard to tell with the quick view, but likely include the main reservoirs (for the air) and perhaps an air cooler further aft.
I suspect that pipe on the tender rear was rather called a *_steam vent_* than a smoke stack, given that no smoke passed anywhere near this thing.
Amazing piece of work. No surprise at the 6' radius requirement!
this is the ultimate "go big or go home" dream in railroading, except they eventually did both.
I like the legendary locomotive from m.t.h 🚂
What an amazing engine>
Wow!, Amazing.
That bell sound effect almost sounds like the Frisco 1630's bell.
I have footage too of 1630 so you can compare it
Hi Eric: A fantastic review of a very unique locomotive. When you showed us the cab interior I believe those two pipes on the backhead terminating above each firebox door were part of an early mechanical stoker. MTH seems to have improved on the tender exhaust from previous issues and the whistle sounds great. In my opinion, MTH releasing that engine as a Virginian even though it is not prototypically correct, is their way of getting more use out of their tooling and maximizing profits. I also like how MTH has blackened the wheels on a lot of their Premier steam engines. Much more realistic.
Would retooling the Virginia's trailing truck really that costly? Disappointing.
I didn't know these were that old. But looking at that headlight gives it away
I can't believe this video is 4 years old. I watched this during my vacation to Tennessee in 8th grade. Wow, I feel old.
lol
And now this video is 7 years old....oof.
Eric, this is another fine video on a very interesting locomotive. One thing I wish you had covered was how to access the battery. I bought my Triplex from an online table show sponsored by a reputable nonprofit train foundation. The engine's lights illuminate when power is applied, but the locomotive won't run electronically (sounds or smoke) or mechanically whether attempted conventionally or via DCS. A knowledgeable train pal suspects the problem is the battery. I of course tried to charge the battery with 18 volts on the track for about twelve hours, but that didn't work. The engine didnt come to me with it's factory paperwork unfortunately. So I need to access the battery compartment and either replace the battery with a new one, or preferably with a BCR. The train foundation has offered to refund the purchase price, but I love the engine and just want to get it running and not have it as a shelf queen! Thanks in advance
Great review, love the Russia iron boiler. I'm thinking if you have to take the loco and tender apart it might help to mark the drive rod/receiver assembly with a line of nail polish (your choice of color, clear not the best) to help align them for putting them back together.
In real life, for each engine , when the right side driving rods are bottom dead center, the left side driving rods are back dead center. Articulated engines have two separate driving assemblies including cylinders, using a common boiler.
I knew the long long short long crossing whistle but the backwards and forwards whistles are new to me
This is A Great Quilling Whistle
Very good.
Hermosa locomotora
Why not make a Eerie Railroad triplex replica?
...oh wait, it'll cost a billion.
But it's still an interesting proposal
Or they could "rebuild" a triplex as a static display or a diesel or cost reasons.
I especially like model train with "Erie" on the side, because i live in Erie (PA)
Hey I'm from New Castle, PA
Dd the Erie RR run through your town?
It may have one day
I, too, live in NC. And, yes, the Erie ran through New Castle. Along the right bank of the Shenango River north to Erie. It interchanged with the P&LE/NYC, which had trackage rights on this to Westinghouse in Sharon, PA.
BEAST
With the gs-2 Eric has right next to the triplex, the video could be aptly named "Beauty and the Beast".
Oh God this is pure Locomotive Porn!! What a huge Modell from M.T.H.
My rail road vocation starts in 1973 when i grow up with MÄRKLIN and when i got my first model train. But since a few years i buy more and more models from M.T.H., Bachmann SPECTRUM and others because their models are excessively detailed with a lot of functions. I am deeply impressed from 2-8-8-8-2.......
Thanks for the nice Video :-)
At 10:00 the rear stack was/is for low pressure exhaust steam; the "Smoke" went up the front stack!
Beautiful engine. I'm curious to know, when you take this model out of the box, will the Engine and Tender already be connected to one another, or do you have to put them together yourself? Can you put the model back in the box with everything still connected? Judging by what you were saying in the video, it seems like putting them together is a massive pain in the rear. Thank you.
my Fav Steam Locomotives are the Erie and Virginian Triplexes. I even run one In Microsoft Train Simulator.
I think that technically the rear smokestack is only a steam-stack as the smoke from the fire goes out of the from end. I think the biggest advantage of this design is that it did not require large low pressure cylinders since there were 4 of them. This might have worked better as an engine meant to run fast but it really failed in pusher service as they usually ran it in 'simple' mode and fed high pressure steam to all six cylinders. Even a later super power boiler would not make enough steam to keep this up for long. The Nineteen Teens boiler was completely unable to evaporate the required water. I expect Baldwin new this but they would build something as long as you were paying.
Eric, I like the video. Just one correction, the stack on the tender is not realy a smoke stack, it is the exhaust fron the rear set of drivers. It was apparently two costly to send the exhaust to the smoke stack for added draft on the firebox.
Probably hampered the performance by quite a bit though.
Beautiful, I did not this linkage arrangement 👍
WISE GUY'S FOR A CREW!!!
14:43 I once thought of a device that lets you drive the engine on to a piece of track into a box with handles, so you can lift the engine without touching the engine itself.
18:53 it's pretty unusual to have two firebox doors!
21:47 is that a dog or a locomotive sound?
I like this model! good job presenting this!
*21:47* What you are hearing is a dog going all around the engine.
I have a premier Triplex in O Scale and I've had so many problems with that thing they are very fragile locomotives I've at lest had it to the shops twice. I hardly run it anymore. Its had electrical problems, the cord from the tender to the locomotive that plugs in I've had issues with, and I'm now having smoke issues with it. It is a old PS2.0 one tho so I am not sure how well the 3.0 one is or if they ever fixed a lot of the issues with it.
Fate of the Virginian triplex: Cut up into two locomotives.
Why am I not surprised
Front half was a 2-8-8-0, rear half was a 2-8-4
oh ok thanks for adding that extra bit of info. Also yea the N&W Y3's also ended up as hump engines until they were scrapped as well but did move cars around the yards.
You're ok and I am really only knowledgeable about the N&W.
Why did the XA-split happen between 1920 and 1921?
When the locomotive is so powerful it breaks the cargo, you know there's some serious power.
That's gold, right there!
Thomas Piccione in James pumphreys words (ahem) MO POWAH BABEH
that things a monster
Makes me wonder what it would have sounded like. A typical Mallet of compound expansion steam had a single chuff sound. But since the Triplex had 4 low-pressure cylinders and 2 high-pressure, I wonder if it would be the double-chuff sound or single? Unfortunately, I don't think there are any records of people mentioning this in books.
The Virginian 700 was split into two locos, one being the Virginian No. 614, a 2-8-0 from the front section, TALK ABOUT A BOILER! And you could probably take that engine to trainmaster and get two more motors put in so you could pull a train soo long you could couple it up to the front!
2-8-8-8-2 IS a SERIOUS WORK HORSE!!
The MTH big boy is bigger than that, but still an awesome vid!
They're both articulated locos with a tender, but the Big Boy's tender is massive.
Are there any of these left in display or have they long since been chopped up? And were there any other locomotives with 3 driver sets besides these?
All have been scrapped.
Also whats with that tunnel with the pile infront of it?
so you can run this locomotive from the PlayStation 2 and 3 right?
Do you have a model train store or a private layout? This is the 1st ive seen of your videos i saw the 2 8 8 8 2,
The VGN triplex did in fact have a 4 wheel trailing truck.