My Guard Dog Killed a Chicken
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I like that you're always honest with us about your mistakes. No one does anything perfectly.
Agree! Love to see that he is open about his mistakes.
I feel like sharing things like this will make other new farmers feel more comfortable sharing their mistakes as well.
I agree, considering that he didn't have to mention it to us at all.
@@annefromthetwincitiesmn8847 True, it would've been very easy for him to just keep it all to himself and go "Don't worry Abby's still doing good, nothing bad has happened!" but the fact that he did tell us what happened and admit to it is something both very respectable and also very brave considering how unforgiving the internet can be a lot of times (Especially on Twitter). +rep to him for setting an amazing example!
This, this is one of the biggest things wrong with how things are taught these days. People are punished for making mistakes so heavily, and it's inferred if not outright said that making a mistake means a person is a failure. When instead it should be taught that mistakes are some of the best ways to learn. Realizing what went wrong, and understanding how it happened and then devising a better way, that's what really helps people move forward.
I think it's amazing how Abby seemed to be begging for Toby's forgiveness and he gave her a stern look. He is definitely teaching her how to be a good guard dog. They are both beautiful, wonderful dogs. A true blessing.
God isn't real
At 7:05 toby looks pissed
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Ephesians 2:8-9
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Rip Blanche you dumb rebel bird you fly high 😭😢🤧💫✨🐓✨💫
Don’t be ridiculous. They’re dogs not people. Don’t anthropomorphize animals. Too many Disney movies
Thanks for sharing. Because Blanche wasn't dead, I would guess that perhaps Toby did correct Abby during the night - just too late for poor Blanche. Blanche was akin to being an intruder during the night when the birds are supposed to be in their houses. Both Toby and Abby seemed apologetic (sorry for anthropomorphising) in the morning.
*What is the Gospel?*
The true gospel is the good news that God saves sinners. Man is by nature sinful and separated from God with no hope of remedying that situation. But God, by His power, provided the means of man’s redemption in the death, burial, and resurrection of the Savior, Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of GOD, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 10:9
9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
JESUS CHRIST can come anytime!
REPENT OF YOUR SINS Just Believe ❤️ Love you and GOD BLESS
@@tama3442 Matthew 6:1-34
Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
You are a sinner for you preaching to those who didn't ask.
@@calygreyhound333 saving this, thank you
@@calygreyhound333 Thank you for this!! I hate ignorant christians who make true bible readers look stupid
@@tama3442 ma'am go on get
it's refreshing to hear someone admit that it was their fault and not the dogs... so used to people blaming their dogs (particularly off leash dogs rushing at others) and it's like well if you don't know they'll come back you shouldn't give them free range. which is exactly what your making sure not to do. respect to you.
Our Maremma when she was still a puppy never 'attacked' any of our chickens... but she did play with them to death several times. Age and a bit of discipline sorted her out, she never hurts them now. They usually grow out of it if they weren't actually 'attacking' to eat it, for example.
I love your reframing of the situation.
That’s what I think happened with Abby and this chicken
I don't own a dog, but my two cats did the same thing to a couple of baby birds. They can't possibly know how to eat them (having being fed wet food all their lives) . So I am assuming they were playing them to death like poor little Abby.
Experienced dog person (but not of Maremmas) here. I also suspect this is a case of a puppy trying to play too rough with the chicken, but of course we can't know for sure since I presume there was no video running at the time it happened. Blanche's body looked like it was in fairly good shape, even if she had some wounds it might have been done after she was already down. Or, did this happen during daylight? I was part of a chicken co-op and we started having some issues that were later discovered to be a predator problem. Red-tailed hawks don't care about electric fences! Just some thoughts.
@@apoorvamodak7701 in the case of adult cats I can guarantee they were hunting and purposely killing the birds. Cats have very very strong prey drive, it’s a natural behavior for them but also a reason that, unless they’re a working farm cat, they shouldn’t be allowed to roam free outside.
She didn't eat the chicken, she didn't kill it on purpose, at her age play is all important and has no idea of consequences. We all make mistakes, we all learn from them. May things work out from this incident.
Exactly. Not a bad dog. As he mentioned, she's behaving with sus look all day long. She's certainly feeling bad herself and probably learned something she did wrong going too far
She really was doing her nighttime job. She may have a high prey drive at night. Nightime is protection time...
I noticed that too. The chicken was still intact so she probably roughhoused it to death, now if she had eaten the chicken? Then he would have a bigger problem on his hands since that could start her thinking the chickens are food. But since that was not the case, the upside is that if she didnt eat this one, she will never associate the birds as food.
It depends really, some dogs are known to grab and thrash smaller animals purely on instinct- even if they are the most behaved dogs. (This is why dog parks and such separate big and small dogs into separate areas.)
Sometimes, instinct just kicks in and tells them to bite. It was obviously an accident and the puppy probably didn't understand what she was doing with her being so young still, it's something that you gotta train out of them.
Either way it's a good lesson to both parties, for one to be stricter with the animals free-roaming at night, and for the other to not bite the other animals it is living amongst.
She will never be as good as Toby that's for sure
Happened to me recently, but even worse while I was livestreaming. Young puppy triggered prey drive in my pack. We saved one chicken but lost a rooster.
It’s an unfortunate situation but part of the training process for a guard dog. Little guys are bound to make a mistake it’s how you learn. I hope your watchers weren’t too freaked out
i also have a cane corso that did the same but she killed 2 ducks 5 chickens and almost killed a rooster now she is 1-2 years old and has learned to guard the chickens
Oof yeah this stuff happens even more so with cane corsos and other more guard type dogs because herding/livestock guardian dogs have different prey drive then guard dogs do they are less likely to kill an animal then a guard dog that isnt bred for being around livestock is
Well you just got you a sub
@@lichatheworkingdog yeah my breed used to have better drive for working with livestock, but recently they've started using them for bite work, even in Europe. That takes prey drive and so we're starting to see more dogs that can't work on the farm, it's really unfortunate.
Almost every livestock guardian dog kills at least one chicken before maturity. Especially in the teenage stage.
Nicely done addressing both myths.
Really glad I learned this🐶
@@tama3442 nobody asked
I can confirm this, when they are in their "playful" stage they can get too rough and kill a bird pretty easily. Chickens move erratically and quickly, a dangerous combination for a young dog full of energy.
How old this dog again???
@@YourFriendlyShapeShifterFriendvery much a puppy. But as poultry are not an animal that the dogs truly bond with, it takes a little longer to break them into the job of poultry guardian. Sometimes until 3 or 4 years old.
Rest In Peace Blanche. As the human caretaker of birds and dogs myself, I understand your heartbreak. Don't beat yourself up. Anyone who would judge you too harshly over this, has probably never had the task of raising and training a guard dog. You're doing a great job and I learn so much from you. Thank you for sharing the good with the bad and I look forward to seeing Abby grow into a great guard dog and partner for Toby Dog. Sending love to all the humans and animals of Gold Shaw Farm.
She looked like she felt guilty. You or someone communicated to her it was wrong behavior. That is the most important thing at this moment.
Its a bird we eat them you failed to be a good dog owner eat animals your dog kills its your resoniblity the dog doesnt know youre eating the body its not rewarding anything unless you consider failure your reward
@@randio9135 what the hell are you like cruel that’s terrible
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
You’re right. Raising a guard dog here is cruel as fuck and most people haven’t done that
Just a theory, but a scenario I can easily picture due to my experience with dogs is this:
It's highly likely that as you mentioned Blanche was mischievously hiding away, when Abby came across her unsupervised. Blanche probably tried to dart and that set Abby's prey drive off cuz she's still so young. Toby then likely heard the struggle and intervened which is why you found poor Blanche still alive but in rough shape, "play-time" was interrupted. This would explain why Abby was acting guilty towards Toby outside the dog-pen, and Toby seemed on edge with her. Given how good Toby is at his job, I find it hard to believe that if he knew what was happening that he wouldn't correct it, poor guy just didn't make it in time. My condolences for Blanche, she was a good chicken.
When I saw Abby looking at Toby in that sad, forlorn way, I also thought that you version was exactly what happened.
I say electric shock Abby
Or ya know they're *dags*
@@jjs8426 Oh for sure, dog can be dogs, but a trained dog is nothing like a pet. They act much more decisively, and with purpose, and that comes with tons of energy. Like K-9's, bomb and drug sniffers, rescue dogs, ect.
This is what I was thinking and was going to comment but you spelled it out perfectly. This is exactly what I think happened.
This video has actually been very healing for me. When I was 16, my friend’s stepdad got a livestock guardian dog for his goats and sheep and forbid us from petting it or treating it like a pet because he wanted it to be closer to the goats. Unfortunately, while she was still a pup (under a year) she bit a goat badly. I wanted to take her on as a pet, but the stepdad just took her out to the field and shot her because in her mind, she wasn’t useful or trusted anymore.
It always upset me, and I usually get very nervous watching videos about working dogs, so the fact that you’re still keeping Abby and training her has healed a bit of my soul.
Thank you.
Had the same story from my grandparents’ Kansas dairy and egg farm. Grandpa shot a dog that killed a chicken because she was a liability to their farm and earning a living. It was hard as a child. That was over 50 years ago.
That's how it is out in the country, it's hard. Dogs are tools, not pets.
I hate it too, but that's just how it is.
@@dylanmonstrum1538 Good thing animal shelters exist, then, huh?
@@dylanmonstrum1538 dogs aren't tools or pets, they're workers... thats fucking ridiculous. We've never shot a dog for misbehavior. Ever. What a gigantic waste of time and resources! "Farmers" who have no patience dont deserve the title, they're capitalists. Thats it. Only care about profit. Such sick and shameful behavior.
@@valeries9297 my friends stepdad argued that as the dog was not housetrained or reared around humans, she wasn’t a trustworthy pet. Also, there weren’t any shelters within a 3 hour drive from the farm. To be fair to him, he was an excellent sheepdog trainer and all his animals loved and trusted him. That’s why the experience was so shocking to me as a child.
I wonder where Blanche was hiding. Perhaps she surprised Abby and her protective instincts kicked in. Middle of the night, puppy never heard a chicken out at night, intruder!, and she stops whatever the threat is. Could’ve gone down that way.
YNW MELLY
Free my dawg 💯
Fligh high blanche😭🤧💫✨🐓✨💫
More likely she just played with it a bit too rough. We have had that happen, chickens move erratically and quickly when startled, puppies can't help but play with them sadly the chicken doesn't survive the playing to well.
@@richiequest1260 "I didn't even mean to chew him he just caught me by surprise"
The look Toby dog was giving Abby as he ate just reeked of "I'm not angry. I am just so disappointed." Luckily for Abby, you and Toby are smart and very forgiving.
I can only imagine the very calm disappointed scolding toby has given her
Did this happend to Toby that he accaccidentally did this when hé was a pup? Sorry 4 bad english.
Just curious i didnt see Toby when hé was a pup
I didnt watch the whole video iam sorry
@@tom-vm6ug nah didn’t happen to him
She’ll figure it out. I’ve struggled with my Great Pyrenees pup. Similar issues, I’ll think that she’s contained and controlled and a bird gets into her area while she’s unsupervised and she makes a dumb mistake. The fact the bird wasn’t eaten by her is a good sign. She’s just playing and doesn’t have impulse control yet. She’s not hunting. She’ll figure it out. Just give it time. Sorry for the heartache.
My livestock dog killed my very favorite chicken and I was SO UPSET. I remember just holding her body and sobbing. It can be a rough go. But our coyote issue has gone away and now it’s been months and months since she’s made that bad of a mistake. Patience Morgan! And be grateful you have Toby haha.
Good point, the bird wasn't "eaten by the pup, is a good sign"I agree, But, who's to say a hawk, (or owl) didn't kill the bird, and the dog (either dog) didn't chase the hawk (or owl, or any predator) away?
This is a wonderful point to make. True hunting behavior follows very specific steps. The fact that she didn’t kill the chicken all the way and that she didn’t start eating it is great. It’s definitely a sign that this was most likely an accident on her part, not understanding her own strength and not understanding the fragility of birds.
I'm so sorry about your loss! I never imagined chickens being pets until I got older and learned how different each chicken can be, personality wise. I don't currently have any birds but I enjoy my friends eggs and the goofy birds that provide them, haha.
That is actually a good point about the remains of Blanche. It looks more like Abby having over zealous puppy energy and not a hunting prey drive.
@@circlethewagons -- that's about what I thought when I saw the bird's body. Morgan was careful not to show us any blood... but, hey, she was an old chicken and maybe, just maybe, she had a heart attack, which alerted Abby who didn't know what to do about it other than perhaps to comfort the hen back to life but it didn't work.
Hey, since you’re worried about being criticized to death in the comment, here’s my take on your behavior: you seem so good to your animals that I, as someone who’s been a vegan for four years, would totally eat the eggs coming from your chickens. You’re a great farmer. You really seem to care about your animals, your behavior seems really ethical to me, and you take great care of them. 💙
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The true gospel is the good news that God saves sinners. Man is by nature sinful and separated from God with no hope of remedying that situation. But God, by His power, provided the means of man’s redemption in the death, burial, and resurrection of the Savior, Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of GOD, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 10:9
9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
JESUS CHRIST can come anytime!
REPENT OF YOUR SINS Just Believe ❤️ Love you and GOD BLESS
@@tama3442 who tf asked
@@MrrShadowwOwn
I completely agree. He cares very deeply about the animals under his care, and makes sure they have a good life. Think it's really important to see that being a farmer doesn't automatically mean treating animals horribly. He clearly not only cares, but also honors and respects the animals. Really lovely how he takes responsibility. Definitely a wonderful representation for ethical farming.
This is the sort of place where meat, milk and eggs is supposed to come from.
Not the unspeakably cruel, evil meat industry pens.
Maremma sheepdogs originate from the Maremma region of Tuscany and Lazio in Italy
Leghorn chickens originate from Tuscany in Italy
*...I'm pretty sure what you witnessed is just the usual mafia murder*
but seriously, don't beat yourself up. It's not uncommon for them or us to make mistakes even if we know better. To admit those mistakes shows you have the ability to learn, and are growing wiser.
This comment hahaha this is so underrated. And is so funny
Morgan, don’t bet yourself up too much about this. Everyone makes mistakes when they are raising puppies, no matter how experienced you are with raising puppies. This is a hard lessen to learn, but you will never make this mistake again. And this doesn’t mean that Abby is a bad dog either. Raising a puppy is a learning process for both the owner and the dog. You are doing great and we tell that you are doing your best and that you really care about all of your animals. Keep doing what you are doing 👍🏻
The bad thing now is that the puppy will now obtain the new killer instinct. His puppy will now need more tougher supervision and tons of remedial training more than ever to ensure that no more killer occurs. Even if the puppy thinks it is playing with the farm animals; it may accidentally kill more animals later on when it grows older.
@@coolgamers2794 that's such a myth!!! Abby can still be trained just as easily as Toby dog was. Your comment is so uneducated. And wrong!
And to add on two what @raine raine go away and Morgan have said Toby they can. Still be trained and also toby will help and continue to guide Abby and correct her bad behavior’s when they come up, bad things always happen before good, no matter how hard you try.
@@rainerainegoaway9426 nice name btw
@@rainerainegoaway9426 Not a myth. Domesticated dogs are still animals and will resort to their call of nature. I trained plenty of dogs before and once a dog taste blood; they will want to go back for more even with all the correction/training you do to them. Your dog may not kill a small bird in front of you due to fearing or respecting you; but the moment you let them roam around freely then they will resort to whatever makes them feel good. That is to including killing or attacking other animals. Although I don't suspect Great Pyrene to be super blood thirsty and energetic as high energy dogs which should reduce a lot of his puppy killing more chickens.
You have my utmost respect for not only showing us the mistake, but admitting to it and holding yourself accountable.
There's no pride in blaming something or someone else, or behaving like it's something that is *just* natural and can happen.
Yes, it can happen. The problem is that when we don't admit that we did something wrong, we can't correct it and learn from it.
The same way that you do it with Abby.
You train her and make her learn. And in order to be a great teacher and leader, you need to lead by example. They trust and love you, and trust and love requires self reflection.
Much love from me to you.
Well said Roadrunner, well said
@@eldoradohomestead762 that is completely not true.
@@eldoradohomestead762 Overreacting much? If Abby cannot be trusted around birds at all (and she did not EAT the chicken!) she could have to change the location to a farm where there are no chickens.
@@eldoradohomestead762 disagree 100 percent the dog did not kill the bird the bird was euthanized…she’s just a puppy and puppies play with things and unfortunately they do not know their limitations and she injured the animal to a point where the bird had to be euthanized…that’s a big difference…she’s a puppy she’s learning…
Hey don't remove my comments. What happened to Freedom of speech? that is my opinion and if you dont like it thats fine.
Toby giving abby the shame look was just brutal. He such a good guard dog
I think the level of introspection you show speaks volumes about your character. You very clearly respect all of your animals and are doing your best. A very inspiring and refreshing channel
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The true gospel is the good news that God saves sinners. Man is by nature sinful and separated from God with no hope of remedying that situation. But God, by His power, provided the means of man’s redemption in the death, burial, and resurrection of the Savior, Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of GOD, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 10:9
9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
JESUS CHRIST can come anytime!
REPENT OF YOUR SINS Just Believe ❤️ Love you and GOD BLESS
I actually disagree. His level of “introspection” led him to just waste the animal’s flesh, so as to not reward bad behavior. I understand his disappointment in himself, but waste is no good.
@@spormlastname267 He didn't waste the animals flesh. Putting it out in nature it will feed animals, and the earth. It's actually much better for the ecosystem than consuming the meat himself.
@@mejuliie He wasted it. What if he had eaten the chicken and shit it in the woods? Same diff.
@@spormlastname267 Unfortunately that's not how energy transfer works. It would be great if it did, but the majority of the energy would be quickly used up by his body to move around and do various metabolic activities, most of the rest would be assimilated into his body mass. Basically his body would use the majority of the energy and almost none of the nutrients from the chicken would come out in his shit
I’m absolutely amazed reading these comments at how understanding and supportive your viewers are! They are asking you to not be so hard on yourself and thanking you for showing your vulnerability, it’s never Easy to own up to mistakes, but you’re willing to share the down side of your farm with us as well. Keep up the good work, you’re doing a Fantastic job Morgan! I haven’t read any Morgan bashing comments yet from your viewers, and if there are any, they should have to walk miles in your shoes before getting self righteous!
Good example of how the attitude/personality/genuineness of the content creator creates such a community around them.
word bro i totally agree wit ur last statement
alot of us have been here before he had 25k subscribers i havent missed a vid in like 4 years or something
Mink are said to just attack larger domestic birds like chickens and consume their blood, however not necessarily eat them. Apparently they will do that to a whole barn yard of hens. They attack the neck area, usually from the back of the neck apparently.
@Joseph Blogs kinda random 🤔 but super interesting tho, why would they do that instead of eating the whole bird ?
Abby is a puppy and will be for a while. Training a puppy, as you know, is sometimes overcoming natural instinct. Her behavior was completely normal for her age. It's not a fault. It's a learning experience. I think you and Abby will do fine. Don't expect miracles from a puppy.
I never expect farmers to have so much humanity when losing an animal. It’s moving to see that not all farmers grow callous towards their animals ❤️
I guess you’re right. I never thought about that so much. We have a homestead and I just assume people love and care for their charges because it’s the only way it should be done. It’s always horrible and extremely sad when something bad happens to our animals. As it should be.
That's the thing, big corporate factory farming doesn't want us to realize that small business and local farmer is sustainable in contrast to industrial farming practices. As he's set forth on the channel with the ecosystem within the farm. There's a deeper value some may not realize.
you are one of the most ethical small farmers ive seen. Thanks for being open with your mistakes along with your successes
Hey Morgan, you´re doing great, no need to beat yourself up. Mistakes happen, we are human after all, and Im 100% sure you wont let it happen again after this mishap. Keep it up!
Let´s put it at 99%, his heart is in the right place and he´s doing a good job, but mistakes can still happen.
I agree, Morgan. It's a learning moment for both you and Abby.
exactly! Don't beat yourself up and don't let anybody else beat you up about it. It's clear that both you and Abby feel bad about it.
No, this is a massive screwup. He should feel bad.
@@alphanerd7221 Massive? nah not really. I mean from an objective point of view it's a single bird no massive loss there. Secondly Abby pup is new to all of this and thirdly Morgan really tries to make sure all his livestock are safe without a doubt.
As a dog owner myself: Mistakes happen. The important thing is to not blame the dog. You knew it wasn't Abby's or any other animal's responsibility, but yours. And you keep improving yourself to avoid repeats. You keep going👍
We need more farmers like you - farmers that understand that all these animals are alive and have feelings of their own and that their well-being is your responsibility. Keep up the good work!
While it’s sad that you lost Blanch I want to thank you for bringing the proper training of LGD’s to the general public. I have sent many new puppy owners to your site because they didn’t have a clue how to train their puppy.
We gotta remember that Abby is still a puppy and is new to the farm. She is still learning.
I totally agree!
One time can be, more times... That's a problem
Once a killer always a killer
@@nalhurst9042 Nope. My dog passed from killing chicken to guarding them, and I had her as an adult. She's just a puppy.
There is no bad dogs, only bad masters
This man never stops being honest and up front about everything with his viewers, who he owes nothing by the way. 100% agree with you, Morgan, and we are happy to see that you won't discard an amazing animal for a terrible set back!
Love the emoji where you get ?
@@josephinev.catlady5182 just need to pay a small fee of $19.99 from the TH-cam sticker store
This helps to understand how much time and effort it takes to train a Livestock Guardian Dog. Mistakes do happen and blame doesn't help. I see that it is a learning experience for you both. I believe you are doing a wonderful job. God Bless.
This dude is amazing. Your code of ethics and respect for life is beyond admirable. Wow. I am in awe of you man.
The breed are potential life stock guardians....after they receive their training! You are an outstanding trainer for Abby as you were with Toby...your loving attitude and understanding of what happened and why it happened shows how qualified you are. I have no doubt at all Abby will be a success story!
...her setback was a learning experience for both owner and dog ... You feel bad enough for both ...
Could have been that stray cat
P
Hey Morgan. Sorry for the incident. One tip that I can give you with training the puppy : when you are doing the obedience part. Dont reach to her and give her the treat. Release her with the command " yes " while being happy and entuziast and LET HER come to you and search for the treat. Trust me, it makes a big difference. If you reach your hand into her nose, she's like " blah, blah. I'll just sit and he will give me the treat anyway". You gotta let her come to you and search the reward. Also, it's very important to switch hands more often. Try this and u'll see some more progress. Btw, i have 2 malinois. Have a good one!:)
Came here to say this! Yes! Release word should be something, too, because mine is "ok" and I regret that with two GSDs... morgan, also add the command word in the priase for association. "Stay....... Good Stay! (release word) Good Stay! (give treat while saying)"
Mother nature reflects what we offer her, and I see Mother Nature is happy with your efforts.
Interesting, thank you! Probably applies to any carnivore you want to respect you.
I have a service dog that’s been struggling with focus on me when outside and I think you just solved a problem 3 trainers didn’t fix because nobody told me that. Thank you!
I use the ok command with my girl a standard poodle Sheba, she was a service dog prospect but unfortunately she lost interest in the training
Dude, mal-raptors are the best. ❤️
Such a lovely girl! Instinct still kicks in, as she's young. She'll get better.
Last week my young Presa killed one of the local wild female cottontails.
I cried.
I screamed first, as he proudly brought a hind leg to me. I've probably injured his psyche.
You guys are warriors! Doing a wonderful job!
I had a Presa Canario they are such great dogs! My guy 'Big Al' would catch things but not kill them. Just like a cat! mice lizards newts cotton tail babies 😬 he wouldn't harm them just terrify them.
I miss that guy so much ❤
@@aliecarey Aww, they do leave a mark don't they!
I love the big doggos.
He's my 1st Presa, but I'd be inclined to get another one!♥️
I'm glad he's continuing her training. She's still a baby, of you leave a kid alone with something they shouldn't have 90% of the time they'll mess it up. She'll learn
She should be put down
I think you’re being very hard on yourself. I farmed for a number of years and eventually had to accept that mistakes, mishaps, and death are just part of having a farm. I see how much care and stewardship you’re putting in each day for your livestock. Some people wouldn’t spare a moment of their day grieving one dead chicken. But the fact that you care so much and feel so much responsibility about this situation tells me what a good farmer you are. Just take the lesson for what it is and move forward.
In the theatre it's called "milking the audience" or "hamming it up"
@@maitaimik Jesus I think he’s like actually really hurt… I don’t think this is purely for views like you are implying
@@roo5940 Morgan has changed since he went full on TH-camr, generally I like his vids but sometime he goes weird like he's incorporating his marketing skills into the vids.
His cringing promotion of animal feed, his Dr. Doolittle impersonations and a whole lot more.
What started as a genuine, homesteading philosophy is going corporate and formulaic.
, @@maitaimik I disagree. I think Morgan is showing us more and more of his sweet, goofy, soft hearted and sometimes overthinking personality. Of course, he is taking advantage of a sponsorship. It helps his farm and in turn, the animals.
@@maitaimik His livelihood is now the farm and TH-cam. Of course he's gonna do his best to ensure that incomes keep flowing in, or risking his family and livestock go hungry.
He won't keep doing this if he wasn't having fun.
Plus as a rancher, it's heartbreaking to lose animals from mistakes.
I remember you being overly cautious with Toby when he was a pub. He's grown up in a comparatively strict environment, plus that he's learned his perception of "right or wrong" from a younger age. Keep in mind that Abby is a little older and has a lot more freedom to explore and play compared to Toby when he was a pub. Of course, with this extra freedom comes some responsibilities. She's just settled in the farm and it's very new and exciting.
Speaking of, have you considered either checking up on her at night, or set up a camera to see how they work together at night? Perhaps we could all learn how her behaviors changes when her natural instincts gets activated after sunset.
I agree, plus it hasn’t even been a month that she’s been on the farm. And she didn’t do anything like this where she’s from. All she used to do is play and she’s learning to not play all the time and with everyone and everything.
I tried to visit Tobie's pub, but he only allows regulars
@@bobby_greene 😂
Thank you for taking the time to educate people, and for letting us see a small portion of what you do on your farm. I’m sorry this has happened, but appreciate how you approached and talked about it. All the best to you and your farm 💜
Your response to this and the way you handled your puppy afterward was healing to me. Thank you for sharing it. Condolences for the loss of your sweet girl.
You took ownership of the accident .. so thats why:
Number 1: You are a good person who has his heart on the right place.
Number 2: You are doing the best you can do to keep all animals on your farm safe.
Number 3: You are still learning. Accidents happen and the most important lesson is to come back, learn from accidents or mistakes and try to give your best every single day.
I still admire you for starting such a big project and I look forward to learn from every single video and from you :)
Dear Morgan, my wife and I have been saving up for years to buy our own homestead. I can’t thank you enough and tell you how much I appreciate you being open and honest with your mistakes. I will someday step into your shoes, and understanding what can go wrong beforehand will make me a better steward of the land I manage. Thank you.
Good luck. The govt has an agency called Black Rock that is buying up and outbidding all the sovereign nationals and preventing them from owning property. (We are sovereign nationals and our laws are THE BILL OF RIGHTS.) This is the Agenda 21 and Agenda 30 plan you will own nothing. My daughter is in the process of buying and if you don't have 20 to 30 K ABOVE asking....don't bother. Not to be the bearer of bad news but the evil doers plan of Agenda 30 is YOU WILL OWN NOTHING AND BE HAPPY.
I’m really impressed by how well you handled the situation. You handled this hard situation very well, with integrity and understanding. Your doing great work and I appreciate how you take your responsibilities head on.
So sorry for your loss! I love how open and honest you always are with us fans. I could feel the sadness in your voice. I think your doing an amazing job with the farm and all the animals!❤
Zookeeper here (once again, I think I did make a comment on the wiring before, also, love your content, a really inspirational thing to watch!) and I have to say, you did the most humane and reasonable thing with Blanch. You did free her from misery. We have and had similar cases with exotics, where the injury was simply too great and reasonable recovery simply isn't an option. We put them down. We have to. Feeling guilt is part of the process and part of our being. But also being professional and not emotional serves the animals.
Making mistakes is part of the journey, as a senior keeper said: if you don't make mistakes, that means you don't work. You work. We work. Therefore mistakes. Big or small. WILL happen, question is, can we go on or anchor down and beat ourselves or learn from it.
I'm no expert on livestock guardians, but I know a bit of Dog training as well, I'm sure Abby's behaviour can be reversed or more like the good can be reinforced and the bad minimize. I do believe you can do it Morgan. And I do think you make a GOOD work.
Accdents happen. Puppies just want to please. Poor pup tried to be a good dog, and it didn't go well.
The fact that the chicken was still alive suggests that Toby may have intervened. There have been owl attacks on the birds before and there were a lot of feathers strewn about - are we sure it wasnt an owl strike that was almost prevented?
Good point. It's a least a possible alternative.
It could've been a bird I guess. I'm not sure Toby would intervene if an animal he accepts as part of the family would try to harm the birds though. And Abby might've also just stopped herself because she got bored or something and same if it was any of the cats.
morgan has eliminated raptor attacks with installing an owl figurine on one of the houses & no probs with them since ~ the name of the owl figure is Owl Pacino
Or a cat?
@@colecolettecole Unless he has a roof they're never going to be immune to bird attacks. A figurine like that isn't 100% bird proof
Thank you for sharing this with us. Mistakes happen. Please don't beat yourself up - you're a good doggo dad, and a great farmer. People judging you harshly very surely never raised a farm dog, never faced any of these challenges and never felt the love and care for all the animals that you're responsible for.
Love goes out to you and the farm 🌸
Thanks for being so open and honest. Mistakes happen. Live and learn. 💙
I'm so sorry that this happened. As a trainer, I know setbacks can happen, and it can be hard, especially knowing it's ultimately our responsibility to do all that we can to guide surrounding events to best promote the success of our dogs. Perhaps a personal anecdote could be helpful here.
My service dog is a retired greyhound racer. She came to me with insanely high prey drive - one of the highest levels of prey drive I've seen in a dog. If she had gotten the chance early on, she absolutely would have killed any small furry she had access to, especially outdoors. Thankfully, she never got that chance - but accidents can happen to anyone. My bigger point is, through consistent training, my dog learned to have completely solid recall. She learned to ignore small furries - and even to look to me for a reward any time she sees them, rather than follow her earlier impulse to give chase. She used to chase anything small that moved - living or not. But, to give just a few examples of how far she has come: one day a rabbit fled from a bush mere feet in front of us, where we hadn't known it was hiding. My dog tensed, then immediately looked to me for a reward. She didn't give chase. Another day, while walking in Walmart, an annoying man refused to quit following and pestering us, and at one point walked ahead of us and into a toy aisle. As we passed the aisle, he suddenly rolled a ball across the floor at high speed *right* in front of my dog. She didn't pay it any heed at all (the jerk, on the other hand, got a well deserved telling off).
If a high prey drive dog like mine can learn to ignore inappropriate "prey," a dog like Abby can absolutely learn. She doesn't seem to have much prey drive at all from the videos I've seen. This incident seems more like a correlation of all the wrong things happening at the wrong time, and perhaps a "play session" between her and the chicken gone wrong. She'll learn. I have no doubt of that.
I would however caution you against reading too much into her body language. I doubt she was actually "feeling guilty" in the video, as you said. The event is too far in the past for that. I also doubt Toby was still "upset" with her. What's more likely is that both dogs are picking up on your feelings. Both can feel that you're a bit shocked/upset with Abby, and both are responding accordingly. While your emotions are completely understandable (I would feel the same!), perhaps schedule in some extra fun playtime with Abby over the next few days to help you move past all of this. Maybe train her to do something new - just for fun, not even for the job - just to restore your confidence both in her and in yourself as her trainer. You seem to have done an amazing job training Toby, as well as gaining Abby's trust early on. I have no doubt whatsoever you'll all get past this, and Abby will turn into just as great an asset as Toby dog, both to your farm and your life.
Chin up, my man. You've got this.
Well said!
Fenyx. Great comment. Thorough with a lot of educational value. greyhound would be the last on my list of Service animals and you’ve proven not to count any dog out! Shockingly surprised! Thanks for your input! 😻
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As a trainer late this am, I fully agree.
The dogs are reacting to your state, and yes extra fun time is needed to regain balance.
That’s amazing! My sister has 2 GSPs and I have a lab mix and a German Shepard mix. Their prey drive is much easier to control now that they’re older but I’d still like to ask about advice! Is using treats the only way to help reinforce good behavior or are other ways to do that? Thanks, and you’re awesome and so is your dog!
Agree so much with this. Our trainer told us we have 3 seconds, max for our dog to associate a reward or correction with the behavior. I feel we can sometimes stretch it a second or so by constantly repeating the behavior whole we get a treat out and repeating "good leave it". But that is it. Hours after it happened neither of them will associate the chicken with your disappointment. But on the whe I think you do a great job training
Blanch was an OG member of gold Shaw farm, she will be missed dearly
wait, was blanch the chicken that hung out in the duck house?
@@dbspaceoditty yes
@@dbspaceoditty damn :(
Abbey has a tremendous amount of puppy energy. I imagine this will keep Toby fit and feeling young. Thanks for sharing both the good and bad with us!
Fly free, Blanche. Thank you for sharing this. My condolences, and some head pats for Abby, please.
i find it kinda good that you have the same standard to yourself that you apply to your dogs (In terms of „not rewarding bad behaviours“ when faced with an unnecessary death).
Shows how much you love and respect all your animals. 🙂
Head counts. Know your counts. Verify the counts at bedtime. Take the extra few minutes to count all the birds and figure out if you're missing any. You're doing so much right with regards to her training. Don't give her the opportunity. She doesn't know any better yet.
A minor setback. Still a puppy, and still learning. Between Toby and your training she'll make it. She seems to know what she did. She'll mature into her role.
This is such a tough situation, but I think it really shows how much you care about your animals and their well being. I also really appreciate how honest you are! Everyone makes mistakes, you're not an awful dog owner, and in order to know what you're doing you have to learn and grow, and that comes with accidents and incidents. Keep learning and growing, that's why we follow you!
I love that you take full responsibility and don’t blame Abby. I just found this Chanel and this is my second video and now I’m hooked. Don’t feel bad. We all make mistakes with our animals. The best thing you can do is learn from it ❤️.
I lost a chicken recently to my Great Pyrenees of 10-11 months. I do not think he was trying to kill the chicken, but more likely played with it to death. I understand the pain, when the very animal you got to protect the flock ends up killing one of the family.
Same here. My Akbash puppy (LGD), has caught and “plucked” the poor chickens. We don’t allow her around them unless we are with her but once or twice the chickens went into her kennel and once he got loose and we found them later. He doesn’t draw blood or tear the bird apart so I am really hoping he thinks it’s playing and will outgrow it. they say many LGD don’t mature and take their jobs seriously until they are about two years old. I’m really hoping this is the case.
You showing this to us speaks volumes about your integrity and honesty. Thank you for being true and being real about it.
As a life long dog owner for 25.5 years. It was a mistake, yea, shouldn't have given her the chance but... At the same time there is only so much you can do, mistakes happens. One simply have to learn from it and move on.
I personally don't believe you're a bad dog owner nor a bad animal owner in general, it was on honest mistake even the best of us can make.
15 years here, and I agree.
As a child on my grandparents' homestead, we raised a few dozen chickens for eggs and occasionally for roasting. Your ethics and compassion for all creatures great and small, brings joy and comfort to one and all. 😇
We are on the same path with training an LGD. Our Great Pyrenees is 8 months old. She does amazingly well about 90% of the time but even just this morning, after our parameter walk- she immediately took off “wildly” chasing one of our roosters, after months of daily and consistent training. It’s a bit discouraging but reminds us not to be too relaxed with her amongst the flock. She’s still a puppy and we have to continue to work with her daily, correcting her and watching her closely.
We are going through the same thing with our Akbash pup (LGD). I’m relieved to see I’m not the only one and that there’s is still hope.
To be honest salvaging a carcass and making the most of it regardless of what happened just seems efficient and logical.
Mistakes will be made and shouldn't punish yourself, just learn from it.
As a person who doesn't farm but instead grows plants, i have to disagree, while it may be logical and efficient in a pure survival scenario, it is important you have boundaries and do things to keep yourself disciplined. If a bunch of my basil starts to die I will try as hard as I can to save it over the course of 2-3 days, if there's no way to save it then I can at least allow it to return to the soil as it once came, and restart with a new seed.
@@stealth7545 That sounds efficient.
It will be beneficial for your next plants i assume.
One thing I thought about is that, depending on where he put her, he may help continue her training by attracting predators to the boundary and allowing Abbie the chance to learn what to listen for and how Toby responds.
Though if the puppy then saw him eating it she may think that she has rewarded her human with a kill, she then may proceed to kill more not by playing with them but just hunting them for her owner.. _Once a dog gets an idea in their head it's hard to remove that idea, if it's simple play then it's easier to train out of them since they often lose the want for that with age/maturity._
@@lilskipper4683 Who knows, wonder if dog would be able to see trough walls though..
Gosh even a hiccup watching you feels like a success because you learned sooo much and taught me so much too, in a mistake or accident there is always a positive and something to learn. I love your passion and humility for your ecosystem as you say so articulately and exactly right, I just love it and you and you inspire me to work harder and not to get hung up on my failures. I love you so much Morgan, and thank you so much for all you have shared and shown with us, huge life lessons, and true humility and grace. I'm a huge fan and I hope that we get to keep following you on your journey in life with your beautiful wife Allison too, even if she prefers not to be in front of the camera, she sure is a great nurterer and lover of the farm too. Thank you both!
Thank you!
This video brought tears to my eyes. Not just because it's sad to lose a chicken, but that you were so understanding about how & why it happened... Please don't beat yourself up too much because with new LGD pups, we need to hope for the best, but accept that there's a possibility of this happening... Also, who knows if Toby stopped Abby or not. I mean Blanche wasn't completely dead, so maybe he did stop her, just too late? You are doing an outstanding job with her training & I know she will be terrific when she has learned & matured
Yeah same here. I was in awe at the level of compassion and forgiveness he shares.
It made me so happy to see you take responsibility rather than blaming the dog or being angry at her. I know you must feel terrible but taking it out on the puppy wouldn't have been right, and you do a great job of making that point here. Thank you Morgan!
I appreciate your honesty so much. I have a tiny operation, but I’m in a constant state of anxiety that something bad will happen, or feel like I’m bad at this, people are going to judge me, etc. etc. It is immensely helpful to me, personally, when people are honest that not everything goes perfectly 100% of the time. So far nothing crazy had happened (KNOCK ON WOOD), but I know that I’m going to make mistakes. I always struggle with the idea of being totally honest about everything. But I think it’s important because, as is the case with your situation, it is helpful to others.
Great video. That you are so crushed speaks volumes for your love and compassion for your animals, all of them. Respect.
I'm so sorry for your loss of Blanch and what she went through. I think the fact that she wasn't consumed is a good thing, either that it was a puppy accident over-playing or that Toby put a stop to her behavior. Regardless of what happened it still sucks and I'm so sorry.😭 Hopefully it was a one time mistake and won't be a pattern. Sending support.❤️
Rest in peace, Blanchie.❤️💐
I appreciate the honesty-sometimes we mess up. We learn to do things better. Being honest and vulnerable is beautiful, and we get to learn as we watch you go! I'm about to train a guardian dog-and I appreciate seeing the honest experience!
Dude, it’s not your fault. That’s life on a farm. It’s the circle of life at its finest and hardest in some circumstances. No one is perfect. Keep up the good work
Thank you for sharing Morgan. I love your vids. You really help us with training our Maremma. We also watch McCann dog training which it appears you do as well. Accidents happen. Thank you for your honesty ❤️
You're doing a great job Morgan. Thanks for opening up.
I'd be more suspicions of the cat
@@donaldhaas3851 There is a new cat wandering around the farm so it's not unlikely.
The maturity you show is truly amazing. The kindness you show for your animals, it's wonderful. Mistakes happen, no hate here only love for your wife and you!
Just discovered your videos, and they are absolutely wonderful! I appreciate the honesty, and the responsibility. You genuinely care for the animals under your care, which really shows. Just a really great representation of what a wonderful and loving place a farm can be. Hope that more people see your videos, and understand that a farm doesn't automatically mean rows of animal in cages, that suffer greatly (it can, but often doesn't). So, thanks for giving people a look into your life as a farmer :)
I absolutely love your videos and seeing this one just made me even more convinced you are amazing at what you do. Accidents happen and you, Abby, and Toby will all learn from this which is what makes you all so great. Rest in peace Blanche!
rest in peace, sweet blanche
much respect to you owning up to this, morgan, you knew you'd be opening yourself up to a flurry of critiques and judgement when you posted this, but you've always been upfront and honest with your viewers
Hey Morgan, I work with LSD a lot and do a lot of training both pets and working dogs. I'm sorry for your loss today, but I'm glad you realized the mistake and are reacting appropriately. Its hard to lose a chicken but I'm proud of you for learning and letting Abby learn>
Your schedule with keeping her locked up vs free is perfect, and your attempts correct her and letting Toby helping are doing great.
There are a lot of people who think they know about dogs and don't, there are some who know how to train house pets but not LSGD and don't realize their different, but as someone in the field from what I've seen I think your doing the right thing.
I think this would make a good short story for a kids book , your such a good story teller , the way you fll us in on every details , and I have'nt finished watching your video yet but i'm enjoying it .
I feel for you. I've been there. It hurts. But we learn as we go, and there have been lots of lessons for me in working with my flock and all of my other animals. Sending condolences your way. Thank you for sharing your stories here.
So sorry for your loss. We all make mistakes and this is just one of those life lessons. You are doing great Morgan and Abby is going to be a great guard dog. Keep on training and maturity will do the rest. Hugs from N.C..
Can I just say that I deeply appreciate your willingness and openness to share mistakes with us? It's comforting and very grounding to hear from you frankly sharing what you're willing to share. All of that said, I'm sure this isn't easy for you, so a bit of love from me, and remember to take care of yourself. Thanks as always Morgan.
I'm glad you still love her! ❤️
I've seen people punish dogs for being dogs for less and it is heartbreaking. This video gave me much more faith in humanity.
You are a great farmer/ person all in one. You hear horror stories of animal cruelty. You are just great getting the best out of her with love care and affection.
Don't let this bring you down. So far you have done an amazing job with Toby, and I'm sure you will continue to do an amazing job with Abby.
A bad incident is nothing compared to the overwhelming good work you put in.
I'll say keep doing great, and this will pass and heal.
Thanks for always being honest and vulnerable with us.
I love watching your experiences! I just came across one of your videos 2 days ago and I’m absolutely HOOKED! Love Toby Dog and Abby - so glad you’re not giving up on her. Keep up the great work! ❤️ much love from WA state
I love that you tell the truth! People need to hear the good and the bad! Thank you! Love your videos!!!
This is a moment when Abby will learn how fragile the chickens are to play with and can't defend themselves as well as geese.
You’ve got this, things are going to happen. Don’t give up.
I love your world, your love, your connection, your intuition. I respect you greatly. x
I think that you are very compassionate farmer, wise in business sense, but at the same time understanding of mistakes when training a new livestock guard dog. When I first saw the title, I admit, as a new viewer, was worried the dog would be re-homed. But the love you show both your livestock and farm dogs is touching. I am a new viewer which will definitely keep following your channel. There is so much I want to learn, and I dream of doing the same thing some day, if situation allows me to raise chickens free-range. I love your channel.
I can't believe I'm crying over a dead chicken while eating chicken for dinner. Poor Blanche, you, and Abby- unfortunate breach of safety protocol. It happened, Abby is sorry, and you get to hit the reset button. Don't be too hard on yourself. ❤️
That's life though, isn't it? They also eat chicken, they slaughter birds. But the idea is to make it as humane and ethical as possible. I think a lot about how indigenous american religions and culture always had such interesting ways to live off the land and show respect for it.
Two that I've heard of are:
to thank the animal/tree/land for helping them live.
And putting a little piece like the whiskers back into the ground to represent that the animal had to come from somewhere and not to take more than the labd can handle.
I’m sorry, I chuckled at your first sentence. I watch Intervention while drinking a beer. 🙃
Every chicken deserves life, every animal does. Please look into veganism.
@@crystaledwards8854 ugh, im not even anti vegan and you made me cringe.
Sure, op might be of the temperament to be vegan. But it's not Fight club, there's no secrecy clause or NDA, everyone knows about veganism by now lol.
@@crystaledwards8854 I know all about veganism and I still choose to eat meat because of my egotistical desire as it’s my choice to make. I do not trouble myself with keeping a blank vest, everyone has unethical shit they do, I try to be a good person when I can everywhere else and that’s it, maybe I’ll switch to organic meat when my financial situation allows it.
Dude, none of us are perfect and you're going to make mistakes. The fact that you own it and use it as a teaching lesson instead of trying to deflect blame only makes my respect for you grow.
I'm so sorry brother; it's never easy. Losing a bird to a dog brings up a lot of internal questions and struggles. Good of you to take responsibility, that's even harder but it's right.
Wonderful video young man love your operation up there your dogs are wonderful.. And as we know our dogs are better than most people we meet through our lives blessings to you and yours coming at you from the mountains of Southern Oregon
Hi, I am a dog trainer. And I'm old. Been around the block a few times!! one thing here I find amazing. First... the chicken got accidently injured. It is easy for a large puppy to injure a chicken. All she has to do is pounce playfully, put her paw on the chicken. Poor chicken. But Morgan I think you are being a little hard on yourself. Abby didn't kill the chicken. Once the chicken was down injured and immobile Abby didn't attack the chicken or tear it up. She didn't use the chicken as a toy and shake it. All night long the chicken was there and Abby didn't touch it anymore. That is pretty amazing. I'm so sorry that the chicken got injured and died. Sometimes bad things happen. Abby proved she is not a chicken killing dog. She is just a playful puppy and was too rough. HUGS
Morgan, you're an excellent dog owner & animal husbandman -- never forget that! I think Abby was trying to play with Blanche & ended up being too rough. But thanks for being honest with us about what happened.
I truly believe that’s All Abby was doing trying to play , Blanche should have to bed 🙏🙏
Blanche also made a mistake by not going to the coop, and unfortunately she lost her life.
I’ve lost a few chickens to hawks and a person told me I should kill the hawk.
Bad as I felt I couldn’t do that, It was just doing what a predator does.
These things happen and you feel guilty and mourn the lose of the bird but life doesn’t always go as smooth as we want.
You just move on as unfortunately, death is a part of life, no matter how careful you are and how many precautions you take it still happens.
Great video!!! Honesty is such an important thing & the reality of farm life includes some tragedies like this one!! Don't be so hard on yourself!!! I'm sorry for your loss!! Toby looks SO happy playing with his new sister!!!
Sorry for your loss. I agree with the comments that Abby played to ruff & Toby intervened. Glad your still working with her & fine tuning her skills at this young puppy stage. Between you & Toby, she will be a fine dog.