To be fair Magnus didn't hold this against Perturabo later in life, he didn't agree with his brother but he understood his reasoning and thought that Perturabo would come around to his way of thinking eventually
“Brother it’s literally hell even your own sons don’t want to fuck with this you keep doing this in 10000 years top people are gonna go “he did nothing wrong” even though you’ll prolly fuck over the imperium more than Logar”-Pete
Magnus was literally genetically engineered to have the warp be his autistic focus. That is why. It's like telling a cat to not sit in a box or to not knock things over.
He wanted to make sure that there was no alternative motives to this idea. He wanted it to be clear and decides on why he believes that he was not allowed to do this. Honestly, I can respect that.
@@tobster9567 Exactly, because if Magnus thought that was the only reason he'd just try to either make it himself or have Vulkan/Ferrus make it for him
That doesn't make any sense. The Primarchs and their dads love to use verbose and convoluted explainations to justify their baby tantrums. And their followers drink their words without thinking because they don't care about the truth as long as it is their truth. These are the result of millenia of "might makes right" in full effect.
@lukeBryen2 true. one thing can also be learned from them having a point not enough if you can't teach them fully and truly to others and in end of day they make same mistakes over and over again
Beware the comments claiming to be "helpful or empathetic" they speak without being spoken to, in ignorance without hope of getting close to clarity. They are to be ignored and disposed of in your mind. I wager there is a lesson to be learned with this entire experience.
Not reasonable, imagine if he wouldn't have destroyed the antikythera ..maybe then magnus would not have had to use the emperor's web way project to get back to him and warn him. You can tell someone to stay out of parts of the warp and still let them know how to get around. Maybe if Magnus was allowed to understand what the Emperor did instead of being kept in the dark. So stupid. Magnus was so misunderstood.
I was always surprised by the reason for Perturabo's betrayal. Among the traitors, he is the only logical and serious one( except Alpha Legion off course). Even Horus became possessed towards the end. It was Perturabo's legion and his leadership that carried the danger during the siege of Terra. Even the other legions and forces of the warp were part of Perturabo's plan. Horus only wanted to kill the Emperor and the throne, the other primarchs went mad and minded their own business. And only Perturabo really managed the operation and kept everything in order. Why he betrayed within the framework of the setting is strange. Even Mortarion has reasons like the Emperor's stolen revenge, Typhus, and Nurgle wanting the entire Legion. But Perturabo and Alpharius would be really useful on the side of the Imperium.
And this cold practically just reminds me of the emperor's burning of monarcia It showed logar that he was fed up with his faith and slow progress and it actually came close of turning logar around before twiddle asshole and twidle evil popped in
I've long believed Perturabo to be probably the Primarch who was most alike to the living Emperor, nearly every time he speaks it seems like something the Emperor could well have said back in his unification or crusading days.
@@spartana1116it had the completely opposite effect, lol! The moment we realise the emperor and his children are sociopathic immortal man-children, it all makes sense. There's no great plan, just megalomaniac dreams which go crashing down for the most preventable reasons. The Emperor decided to becomes the Emperor only when humanity was agonizing through the age of strife because he realized "even the dumbass I am can't make things any worse!"
What’s the most interesting is that the device was the Antikythera mechanism, or rather a replica of it. This was an Ancient Greek device discovered in a shipwreck in the real world that was found to be the world’s first analogue computer. In Warhammer though, Magnus and Perturabo found that the device was able to help navigate the tides of the warp.
"Cruelty sometimes needed to make a point so clear that nobody can ever mistake its intent" And. . . . . The emperor forcing lorgar and his word bearer legion to kneel while destroying their favorite planet, which in turn cause lorgar to turn traitor because he and his legion "mistakenly read emperor's cruelty's intent"
I thought he destroyed their favorite city that was built as an icon to their "God" the emperor so he was like "Aye yo, I normally save the war crimes for the mortals I'm attempting to save but FAFO son, FAFO."
In that book there's a bit where Magnus catches a falling ship and faints. Perturabo is there to catch him when he falls. We see from Perturabo's perspective that he is at the edge of the city watching from a bunker. In order to be there to catch Magnus, he would have to jump into a ship and fly it straight at the impact point of the falling ship. Perturabo is either so confident in Magnus's abilities that he doesn't believe he will be in danger (while simultaneously knowing that Magnus will need help) or he would rather die with Magnus than be responsible for his death.
@CHRISTOSANESTI2023 Magnus the Red: Master of Prospero. From the primarchs series. It's not one of the best books in that series, but it has got some great character moments.
I truly adore Perty. I feel like he’s the most relatable Primarch in the sense that he at one point deep down is actually caring, about his brothers and his sons. But much like we experience in our own lives, sometimes caring is a such a burden that we adopt a policy of not caring and being hard and cold with people and the world so we can’t be hurt by allowing things like empathy and love into our lives. Perty is that vengeance, that urge we all have to hurt others when we’ve been hurt and to make sure it doesn’t happen again. The Lord of Iron is just someone who once cared too much.
He’s definitely one of the more “humane” Primarchs among his brothers, he was raised through cruelty and the principle of “survival of the fittest”, he realized he was being treated as a tool even before the Emperor arrived, saving him from Olympia didn’t change that fact and he knows it. He’s not cruel by nature, he doesn’t know any better on how to treat others or love them because he never was treated any better, or taught. He has the spark of kindness deep within him but he doesn’t know how to release it.
@@alfieingrouille1528 I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on this - from my perspective, it just seemed that he emotionally collapsed after the Emperor killed his adoptive father instead of letting him do it himself. If anything, it always felt to me like a less justified Angron.
he was. Scientifically, he outmatched all his brothers - hell, he cracked the largest bastion in the galaxy, the fucking Imperial Palace. Not Horus, not fulgrim, not Mortartion but him. And the moment he realized that not only he was being used but was going to be discarded just like they were under the imperium, he packed up and left. And the heresy fell flat on its face as a result
Perturabo's a genius in a kind of cursed way. He looks upon something and can see how it will fail, and through this he understands it. This doesn't stop with machines, buildings, or weapons, but goes all the way down to people. He can always see how people will crumble and fail him and so he pushes them to be stronger and show no weakness, but noone can live up to that kind of impossible standard and so they continue to disappoint and fail him. Personally, I think this is a link to the Akashic Records constantly streaming the information into his mind, and as a side effect, causing him to see how the universe will fail by showing him the Eye of Terror.
@@VallornDeathblade makes sense I’m still learning more and more everyday from the lore and seeing stories. The primarchs all meeting each other and it was to me like a bunch of Sherlock Holmes meet Moriarty. Bc they were all sizing each other up and going from there. Main thing I’ve seen them all do. Is absorb their planets knowledge quick and become masters of everything they do. I’m still learning more and thank you for telling me more I didn’t know about
I like that Perturabo isn't really Chaos Primarch, but just a Traitor Primarch. I feel like Magnus also hates Chaos (or at least, he seems the most sane of the Traitor Primarchs), but he's kind of a victim of circumstance. He's a victim of Tzeench, rather than a champion of Tzeench
Before, it would've been spot on. Perty tho is indeed a chaos primarch tho (and described as pretty much the ultimate Obliterator iirc). He and Magnus tho do agree that they both hate Chaos.
For being an outcast, it sounds like Magnus had a good deal of friends for Primarch standards: Sanguinius and Horus, which are kind of a given, but then Jaghatai Khan, Perturabo and Lorgar. It's more like he was friends with some primarchs and all the others had different shades of hate for the guy.
Magnus was actually quite charismatic in his own way, and he made friends with most of the primarchs! A few of them either just never really met him or talked to him, and some just hated him for being a psyker or being arrogant (although every primarch is arrogant, literally all of them). Magnus was endearing in a way, he acted like a know it all but he usually did! He was also one of the more human primarchs, he had compassion for his sons and brothers, a trait that is somewhat rare in the primarchs.
Putting all of those together even does him a disservice. Magnus wasn’t just friends with Jaghatai they were probably as close to best friends as demigods could get. His friendship with Magnus is what kept the White Scars out of the Heresy for so long. After seeing Prospero dead he probably would’ve killed Russ if he had still been there
@@whichDudeYeah? And stil they voted him stopping being himself which led to Prospero destruction. Actually it was really the Big E doing who get scared shitless by the powers weild by the way less expirinced than himself Red guy already.
Placing two people in charge of such a project is a recipe for disaster. The only way to do it is to place one in charge and give another a supporting role. And I don’t see it working out with these two.
@@terrormask2475 Yeah having two project heads for the same project, especially when at least one of them is super competitive would be a disaster. Now having Dorn working on the Imperial Palace, and having Petty Rabo creating defenses for the solar system, would have been an interesting way to keep both happy. They'd have been constantly trying to one up each other, so by the end, the imperial palace would be an impenetrable cathedral that would be a wonder of the galaxy, and the solar system as a whole would be a death trap for anyone stupid enough to get within a light year of it.
I find the sorta pseudo respect perturabo has for the emperor kinda fascinating One one hand he hates him because he’s perturabo and he hates just about everything that makes him feel inadequate or under appreciated In the other hand he respects the emperor as the leader of this massive empire and the father who created him to administrate and expand it and as one of the few people who knows more about something than he does
Perturabo: "Magnus, brother, for the love of non-existent gods, please stop fucking around with this stuff" Magnus: "But why?! Think of all we can learn!" Perty: "I've learnt plenty, I don't need to find out what that shit has to teach."
Damn it just goes to show that this man has a heart he just isn't the best at showing I legitimately hope when he does come back in 40K he will be nicer but just angry at his situation. Being a Daemon Dreadnought.
i blv that if the emperor just showed perturabo that he appriciated him and treated him atleast have of how he treated dorn..he would still be a loyalist
Would be interesting to see a story line where Perturabo attempts to reclaim Magnus from Tzynch. Possibly an unchaos aligned faction working against the chaos gods as well as the imperium.
How highly Perty held his father makes me think that he could have been a very loyal son if the Emperor dealt with him properly. Like a lot of his other sons.
I like that. Perty proves he can make it, then destroys it and says why. He knows the warp whispers half truths, so he presents the whole thing right there infront of Magnus. No room for error or misinterpretation. Still not enough to get through that colossal ego, but a serious attempt.
I wonder how things would have changed had the Emperor taken Perturabo with him to Monarchia to confront Lorgar. That line about cruelty leaving no room for doubt resonates with that event.
Big-E used the Ultramarines because he was being nice. Roboute and his Smurf-Boys actually evicted most of the population before burning it all up. Roboute actually felt bad about it. Perturabo and his Iron Boys would have smashed the whole thng with everyone still inside, and then taunted Lorgar about it.
To be fair to Big-E, it's made clear he warned Lorgar MULTIPLE times to stop with the religious bullshit. He never listened. In Magnus' case, he wasn't doing anything wrong until after the Council of Nikaea, and even then he wouldn't have done any of it if Big-E had actually told him about the Chaos Gods and their corruption (I feel like he should at very least told Magnus out of all brothers).
Perturabo is literally the dude that would cry for when you call him a baby, yet makes the most valid points, a d the most succesful plans in 4 minutes for something that our lazy ah would've took years to make
Perturabo's problems, hell any primarch problems really is being able to empathize with people, Perturabo is so smart but so much of a brick head that when he's clearly doing something wrong he refuses to say it was bad when it gets called out he gets pissy and does something he regrets deeply after IE killing his adopted sister and there's no one really who could teach primarchs like him who only back down when hit other than the Emperor but well.. We know how he acts lol.
Perturabo. A man of logic and reason to back up his immense intellect. When he makes a point, he makes that point. I'd love to see more Perturabo and Magnus together. Given his immense reason, he probably could have saved Magnus from falling, deduced Horus betrayed the Emperor, and rallied the Thousand Sons to for a mighty force of Metal and Magic and take the fight to Horus, and win. He could do it, I know he and Magnus could with or without the aid of the other loyalists. And he'd do it for himself, not for his father, not his father's Imperium, not for any other reason but himself. He could. And, if given the chance, I think he would.
Considering all he would have had to do in order to defeat the traitors was not show up on the traitors' side, it would be rather a lot easier than that. Perturabo carried the Horus Heresy on his back, and it failed when he abandoned it.
Gods damn I love Perterabo!! SO fucking underrated. I wish the Emperor saw more of this kind of behaviour from him. Perterabo remaining loyal would have doomed the Heresy before it even began... but oh no, he committed the greatest crime in all of 40k, having common sense and the rational thought/reasoning to apply that. We all know that such things are always punished in the utterly severest way possible.
@@Zulkuss To be fair, this was motivated by a desire to keep Magnus out of problem, either from the Warp or their brothers and father. In Fulgrim's case, it was pure "I'm 100% DONE with your bullshit". XD Lol
@@Zulkuss I just referenced that scene, yes. He smashed the device in front of Magnus because he knew Magnus liked to delve into the Warp too much and wanted to warn him off.
@DeathMessenger1988 no, you are thinking of Antikheira (or however you spell it) mechanism. I was talking about the time Fulgrim took Perty to the Eye of Terror.
Peter had a brain. He had common sense. He fucking carried the heresy. If the emperor would have given him a hug and told him he was proud of him, the heresy would have lost on Istvaan 3.
Im very interested in the relationships between primarchs. One ive always wanted to know more about was perty and the lion. They have that thing with the seige weapons, but i dont know what else
This quote by Perturabo I think informs the way the Emperor handled Lorgar, with him being most susceptible to misinterpreting the point. If Perturabo was there instead of Guilliman, he would have understood precisely why Big E did what he did.
With that type of "Logic" you would think Perturabo would have stayed loyal to the Emperor, but no Daddy didn't invite him to Terra. Throws all logic out the window.
Out of all the traitor Primarch. Perty is my favorite. Just straight edge no nonsense. I kinda hope he come back to being a loyalist and redeems himself
I remember a really hardcore scene in supergirl where someone showed one of the girls she turns into the scary bad villian girl of the season. Was really intense watching the character realise they’re the evil one
Wow... He is actually kinda right with that, think of all the good people who have martyred themselves for an ungrateful humanity that twisted their work and words the moment they were gone. But no one has ever misinterpreted cruelty.
The more I hear about Perturabo, the more I can't help but like him. Even as he exasperates me, infuriates me, and outright drives me NUTS, there's always a twinge of "He's got a point I can't refute." and I get an irrational urge to "fix" him, so he can make the point in a way I don't want to refute.
If I remember right, Perturabo also condemned the Nicaea Trials as a huge sham that not had a single ounce of logic, evidence or any good reason to be had as well.
I wonder if Perturabo ever looked back on this moment, in irony of what’s become of him and his legion, becoming warpsmiths and binding demons to technology to make demon engines 😂
I’m on Perturabo side here. He wanted Magnus to stop delving into things they both barely understand and going behind the backs of others just to have Magnus way. Magnus may have good intentions and wasn’t planning on anything evil, but given how the rest of Magnus life goes this was warranted
Sometimes, I wonder what a 40k universe was, where Pete was chosen for war master, blind siding everyone, including chaos or, at the very least, Pete was appreciated a little more. Oh well, line up for decimation
"Goddamn Pettyrabo"
- Magnus, probably.
To be fair Magnus didn't hold this against Perturabo later in life, he didn't agree with his brother but he understood his reasoning and thought that Perturabo would come around to his way of thinking eventually
Magnus would have said worse things to Conrad
"He's bloody wanka!" TTS Magnus
God?. I thought I smelled a heretic
"lol. Lmao" - Tzeentch
"WE BOTH KNOW THE WARP SUCKS!!!! WHY DO YOU KEEP GOING IN?!" -Pete
“Brother it’s literally hell even your own sons don’t want to fuck with this you keep doing this in 10000 years top people are gonna go “he did nothing wrong” even though you’ll prolly fuck over the imperium more than Logar”-Pete
"🤷🏽♀️, simping badly." -Maggie
Magnus was literally genetically engineered to have the warp be his autistic focus. That is why. It's like telling a cat to not sit in a box or to not knock things over.
@@AmazingAutist More like taking a dog bred for a specific task IE Retrievers and getting mad at it for doing that.
@@The.Orange.Wizard "STOP POINTING!!!"
-- Big E, to the *_German Short-haired Pointer_* he made.
He wanted to make sure that there was no alternative motives to this idea. He wanted it to be clear and decides on why he believes that he was not allowed to do this. Honestly, I can respect that.
As opposed to "i dont want to go through the trouble of making it."
I like Perturabo and the Iron Warriors.
Fuck you dad and fuck you demons!
@@tobster9567
Exactly, because if Magnus thought that was the only reason he'd just try to either make it himself or have Vulkan/Ferrus make it for him
That doesn't make any sense. The Primarchs and their dads love to use verbose and convoluted explainations to justify their baby tantrums. And their followers drink their words without thinking because they don't care about the truth as long as it is their truth. These are the result of millenia of "might makes right" in full effect.
"You sometimes have to do something so mind fuckingly crazy that no one will doubt your intent". Jesus man.
Jesus would approve
"Your intent being... showing how much of an unhinged asshole you are."
@@BLACKWOODPMC Like, he really did that with the crucifixion.
“Do you see now brother?”
“This is why they like Dorn more than you.”
"Damn bro. Low blow."
-Pert, maybe.
...and he took that personally
Wonder what could Vulkan, Perturabo and Ferrus could cook up if they decided to follow they're creative urges
Like father like son .
@lukeBryen2 true. one thing can also be learned from them having a point not enough if you can't teach them fully and truly to others and in end of day they make same mistakes over and over again
*like sunS
For both of them- Magnus every bit as arrogant as the Emperor, and Perturabo every bit as socially inept.
My dad used that Perty line when he destroyed my science project the day it was due
I don't know the whole context, but I'd call that cruelty
that's just cruelty for the sake of it. there is no point, only the sadistic, twisted joy he probably felt by watching you become devastated.
X
Lmao, imagine all the people taking this seriously
Beware the comments claiming to be "helpful or empathetic" they speak without being spoken to, in ignorance without hope of getting close to clarity.
They are to be ignored and disposed of in your mind.
I wager there is a lesson to be learned with this entire experience.
Tough love is the only love Perturabo knows
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True, but damn is it genuine as fuck love.
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@@nikik5567 nah, just an excuse to smash things and alienating your sibling, pushing him to use more dangerous means. Like father like son.
I love how reasonable Perturabo is.
In those very few moments where he is, yes. It’s quite refreshing
This might be the only reasonable thing Pittyrabo ever did.
perty is an interesting character to me.
Not reasonable, imagine if he wouldn't have destroyed the antikythera ..maybe then magnus would not have had to use the emperor's web way project to get back to him and warn him. You can tell someone to stay out of parts of the warp and still let them know how to get around. Maybe if Magnus was allowed to understand what the Emperor did instead of being kept in the dark. So stupid. Magnus was so misunderstood.
I was always surprised by the reason for Perturabo's betrayal. Among the traitors, he is the only logical and serious one( except Alpha Legion off course). Even Horus became possessed towards the end. It was Perturabo's legion and his leadership that carried the danger during the siege of Terra. Even the other legions and forces of the warp were part of Perturabo's plan. Horus only wanted to kill the Emperor and the throne, the other primarchs went mad and minded their own business. And only Perturabo really managed the operation and kept everything in order. Why he betrayed within the framework of the setting is strange. Even Mortarion has reasons like the Emperor's stolen revenge, Typhus, and Nurgle wanting the entire Legion. But Perturabo and Alpharius would be really useful on the side of the Imperium.
"do you regret destroying it now brother?"
"no, I told you to stop fucking with the warp but you do not listen!"
Leman Russ "FFS that is what I have been saying for ages now!"
Fuck with the warp for too long and eventually it fucks back
@@draketurtle4169especially a certain purple brand of it.
Well I see who got the Emps cold practicality. Like Father like Son
And this cold practically just reminds me of the emperor's burning of monarcia
It showed logar that he was fed up with his faith and slow progress and it actually came close of turning logar around before twiddle asshole and twidle evil popped in
I've long believed Perturabo to be probably the Primarch who was most alike to the living Emperor, nearly every time he speaks it seems like something the Emperor could well have said back in his unification or crusading days.
@@spartana1116it had the completely opposite effect, lol! The moment we realise the emperor and his children are sociopathic immortal man-children, it all makes sense. There's no great plan, just megalomaniac dreams which go crashing down for the most preventable reasons. The Emperor decided to becomes the Emperor only when humanity was agonizing through the age of strife because he realized "even the dumbass I am can't make things any worse!"
What’s the most interesting is that the device was the Antikythera mechanism, or rather a replica of it. This was an Ancient Greek device discovered in a shipwreck in the real world that was found to be the world’s first analogue computer.
In Warhammer though, Magnus and Perturabo found that the device was able to help navigate the tides of the warp.
Ancient Greeks looked into the warp? O-O
@@senseishu937 That... explains a LOT actually...
@@TronTuborg the adventures of Odyssey must have been quite the adventure of you think about it
@@santaboy4818 True, however I originally read that as "Oedipus" and damn near ruptured myself laughing!
That thing they referenced in Indy 5 the dial or disappointment?
To quote Ratchet
"Perturabo, i needed that!"
Except unlike Bulkhead, Perturabo knew what he was breaking and did so intentionally.
@@khylerbane4523well kind of like that one time they lost Optimus
Man that was a great show
@@maxaudet5177The best animated Transformers bar Gen 1
"Cruelty sometimes needed to make a point so clear that nobody can ever mistake its intent"
And. . . . .
The emperor forcing lorgar and his word bearer legion to kneel while destroying their favorite planet, which in turn cause lorgar to turn traitor because he and his legion "mistakenly read emperor's cruelty's intent"
I mean, Magnus didn't really learn his lesson either, so... Yeah, like father, like son
I thought he destroyed their favorite city that was built as an icon to their "God" the emperor so he was like "Aye yo, I normally save the war crimes for the mortals I'm attempting to save but FAFO son, FAFO."
In that book there's a bit where Magnus catches a falling ship and faints. Perturabo is there to catch him when he falls.
We see from Perturabo's perspective that he is at the edge of the city watching from a bunker. In order to be there to catch Magnus, he would have to jump into a ship and fly it straight at the impact point of the falling ship.
Perturabo is either so confident in Magnus's abilities that he doesn't believe he will be in danger (while simultaneously knowing that Magnus will need help) or he would rather die with Magnus than be responsible for his death.
Which book?
@CHRISTOSANESTI2023 Magnus the Red: Master of Prospero. From the primarchs series. It's not one of the best books in that series, but it has got some great character moments.
Catches with his mind or actually catches a ship with his hands?
@tiredman99 I should tell you to go read the book but Magnus uses his powers to catch the falling ship
"Perturabo no!"
"PERTURABO YES!"
I truly adore Perty. I feel like he’s the most relatable Primarch in the sense that he at one point deep down is actually caring, about his brothers and his sons.
But much like we experience in our own lives, sometimes caring is a such a burden that we adopt a policy of not caring and being hard and cold with people and the world so we can’t be hurt by allowing things like empathy and love into our lives.
Perty is that vengeance, that urge we all have to hurt others when we’ve been hurt and to make sure it doesn’t happen again. The Lord of Iron is just someone who once cared too much.
Also his back has to still be sore after hard carrying chaos during the war for terra
@@sinjin8576 He's still carrying. Where do you think Abadon got most of his shit from?
He’s definitely one of the more “humane” Primarchs among his brothers, he was raised through cruelty and the principle of “survival of the fittest”, he realized he was being treated as a tool even before the Emperor arrived, saving him from Olympia didn’t change that fact and he knows it. He’s not cruel by nature, he doesn’t know any better on how to treat others or love them because he never was treated any better, or taught.
He has the spark of kindness deep within him but he doesn’t know how to release it.
@@professor.moriarty9803
Vulkan needs to come back and take him on a weekend fishing trip to help him release that kindness😊
Peter Turbo is my favorite Primarch and just needed a big break.
My favourite is mortarion whom in my opinion is a insanely misunderstood character
All Perty needed was for someone to give him a clap on the back and tell him "Good job."
@@alfieingrouille1528 I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on this - from my perspective, it just seemed that he emotionally collapsed after the Emperor killed his adoptive father instead of letting him do it himself. If anything, it always felt to me like a less justified Angron.
@@alfieingrouille1528bro explain ur opinion, I’m interested to see ur point of view on mortarion
he did get a break. A break so good that GW forgets his lore.
Perturabo seems like one of the smartest primarchs even among them all. Which they say all of them are geniuses in their own accord
he was. Scientifically, he outmatched all his brothers - hell, he cracked the largest bastion in the galaxy, the fucking Imperial Palace. Not Horus, not fulgrim, not Mortartion but him.
And the moment he realized that not only he was being used but was going to be discarded just like they were under the imperium, he packed up and left. And the heresy fell flat on its face as a result
Perturabo's a genius in a kind of cursed way. He looks upon something and can see how it will fail, and through this he understands it. This doesn't stop with machines, buildings, or weapons, but goes all the way down to people. He can always see how people will crumble and fail him and so he pushes them to be stronger and show no weakness, but noone can live up to that kind of impossible standard and so they continue to disappoint and fail him. Personally, I think this is a link to the Akashic Records constantly streaming the information into his mind, and as a side effect, causing him to see how the universe will fail by showing him the Eye of Terror.
@@VallornDeathblade makes sense I’m still learning more and more everyday from the lore and seeing stories. The primarchs all meeting each other and it was to me like a bunch of Sherlock Holmes meet Moriarty. Bc they were all sizing each other up and going from there. Main thing I’ve seen them all do. Is absorb their planets knowledge quick and become masters of everything they do. I’m still learning more and thank you for telling me more I didn’t know about
Peturabo is the Master of the Material World. Magnus is the Master of the Immaterium. What a diabolical duo
I like that Perturabo isn't really Chaos Primarch, but just a Traitor Primarch.
I feel like Magnus also hates Chaos (or at least, he seems the most sane of the Traitor Primarchs), but he's kind of a victim of circumstance. He's a victim of Tzeench, rather than a champion of Tzeench
…I feel every Tzeench follower is a victim of him tbh
If Dorn turned heretic Perturabo would've stayed loyal out of spite.
Magnus got tricked, got backstabbed. And he's been quite possibly bamboozled
Before, it would've been spot on. Perty tho is indeed a chaos primarch tho (and described as pretty much the ultimate Obliterator iirc). He and Magnus tho do agree that they both hate Chaos.
Magnymagic:Perty no
P. Turbo:this machine bad, I CAST HAMMER
For being an outcast, it sounds like Magnus had a good deal of friends for Primarch standards: Sanguinius and Horus, which are kind of a given, but then Jaghatai Khan, Perturabo and Lorgar. It's more like he was friends with some primarchs and all the others had different shades of hate for the guy.
Magnus was actually quite charismatic in his own way, and he made friends with most of the primarchs!
A few of them either just never really met him or talked to him, and some just hated him for being a psyker or being arrogant (although every primarch is arrogant, literally all of them).
Magnus was endearing in a way, he acted like a know it all but he usually did! He was also one of the more human primarchs, he had compassion for his sons and brothers, a trait that is somewhat rare in the primarchs.
Putting all of those together even does him a disservice. Magnus wasn’t just friends with Jaghatai they were probably as close to best friends as demigods could get. His friendship with Magnus is what kept the White Scars out of the Heresy for so long. After seeing Prospero dead he probably would’ve killed Russ if he had still been there
I think all Primarchs liked Magnus except Mortarion and Russ.
Jaghatai is chill man, he probably has no once of hate ro him.
@@whichDudeYeah? And stil they voted him stopping being himself which led to Prospero destruction.
Actually it was really the Big E doing who get scared shitless by the powers weild by the way less expirinced than himself Red guy already.
That's why I say Big E should have made both Perturabo and Rogal work together in building the Imperial Palace instead of picking one of them
Placing two people in charge of such a project is a recipe for disaster. The only way to do it is to place one in charge and give another a supporting role. And I don’t see it working out with these two.
@@terrormask2475 Yeah having two project heads for the same project, especially when at least one of them is super competitive would be a disaster.
Now having Dorn working on the Imperial Palace, and having Petty Rabo creating defenses for the solar system, would have been an interesting way to keep both happy.
They'd have been constantly trying to one up each other, so by the end, the imperial palace would be an impenetrable cathedral that would be a wonder of the galaxy, and the solar system as a whole would be a death trap for anyone stupid enough to get within a light year of it.
"Cruelty is sometimes the only way to make a point so clear that nobody can even mistake its intent." How are these words so powerful?
"DAD. SAID. NO"
Man, Peter Turbo is actually based.
I find the sorta pseudo respect perturabo has for the emperor kinda fascinating
One one hand he hates him because he’s perturabo and he hates just about everything that makes him feel inadequate or under appreciated
In the other hand he respects the emperor as the leader of this massive empire and the father who created him to administrate and expand it and as one of the few people who knows more about something than he does
Perturaubo actually started out adoring the emperor. His resentments built up over time.
Perturabo: "Magnus, brother, for the love of non-existent gods, please stop fucking around with this stuff"
Magnus: "But why?! Think of all we can learn!"
Perty: "I've learnt plenty, I don't need to find out what that shit has to teach."
Damn, perty and magnus
Damn it just goes to show that this man has a heart he just isn't the best at showing I legitimately hope when he does come back in 40K he will be nicer but just angry at his situation. Being a Daemon Dreadnought.
i blv that if the emperor just showed perturabo that he appriciated him and treated him atleast have of how he treated dorn..he would still be a loyalist
Would be interesting to see a story line where Perturabo attempts to reclaim Magnus from Tzynch. Possibly an unchaos aligned faction working against the chaos gods as well as the imperium.
Oh that would be awesome
Pertarabo probably put his heart and soul into that project.
How highly Perty held his father makes me think that he could have been a very loyal son if the Emperor dealt with him properly. Like a lot of his other sons.
It's one of those moments where you realize that peter turbo is more like his father than you think he is.
You could say that Perturabo was pretty perturbed about delving into the warp.
I like that. Perty proves he can make it, then destroys it and says why.
He knows the warp whispers half truths, so he presents the whole thing right there infront of Magnus.
No room for error or misinterpretation.
Still not enough to get through that colossal ego, but a serious attempt.
I wonder how things would have changed had the Emperor taken Perturabo with him to Monarchia to confront Lorgar. That line about cruelty leaving no room for doubt resonates with that event.
Big-E used the Ultramarines because he was being nice. Roboute and his Smurf-Boys actually evicted most of the population before burning it all up. Roboute actually felt bad about it.
Perturabo and his Iron Boys would have smashed the whole thng with everyone still inside, and then taunted Lorgar about it.
And then they hugged 100%
"Sometimes cruelty is the only way to make a point so clear that nobody could ever mistake it's intent."
[Cut to Logar after Monarchias destruction.]
To be fair to Big-E, it's made clear he warned Lorgar MULTIPLE times to stop with the religious bullshit. He never listened.
In Magnus' case, he wasn't doing anything wrong until after the Council of Nikaea, and even then he wouldn't have done any of it if Big-E had actually told him about the Chaos Gods and their corruption (I feel like he should at very least told Magnus out of all brothers).
Magnus thinks hes smarter than the emperor, thats why he got fucke up
Perturabo is literally the dude that would cry for when you call him a baby, yet makes the most valid points, a d the most succesful plans in 4 minutes for something that our lazy ah would've took years to make
Perturabo's problems, hell any primarch problems really is being able to empathize with people, Perturabo is so smart but so much of a brick head that when he's clearly doing something wrong he refuses to say it was bad when it gets called out he gets pissy and does something he regrets deeply after IE killing his adopted sister and there's no one really who could teach primarchs like him who only back down when hit other than the Emperor but well.. We know how he acts lol.
Okay, but like, he's got a point.
Perturabo. A man of logic and reason to back up his immense intellect. When he makes a point, he makes that point. I'd love to see more Perturabo and Magnus together. Given his immense reason, he probably could have saved Magnus from falling, deduced Horus betrayed the Emperor, and rallied the Thousand Sons to for a mighty force of Metal and Magic and take the fight to Horus, and win.
He could do it, I know he and Magnus could with or without the aid of the other loyalists. And he'd do it for himself, not for his father, not his father's Imperium, not for any other reason but himself. He could. And, if given the chance, I think he would.
Considering all he would have had to do in order to defeat the traitors was not show up on the traitors' side, it would be rather a lot easier than that. Perturabo carried the Horus Heresy on his back, and it failed when he abandoned it.
@@Arbaaltheundefeated yep, he broke the wall and then peaced out.
Mf perty is literally that one cousin whom special ability morphs into a strict father🗿
Gods damn I love Perterabo!! SO fucking underrated. I wish the Emperor saw more of this kind of behaviour from him. Perterabo remaining loyal would have doomed the Heresy before it even began... but oh no, he committed the greatest crime in all of 40k, having common sense and the rational thought/reasoning to apply that. We all know that such things are always punished in the utterly severest way possible.
Magnus and Peter becoming friends.
Magnus: Hey nice Job Peter
Peterturbo: Did we just become best friends?
Pert "There's things in the warp we ought not poke brother"
Magnus (pokes anyways)
Warp "Harder daddy"
Pert "There, you see!"
Nice to see Perty not only be a brother but a big brother
Perturabo just likes destroying things he painstakingly crafted in front of someone else, knowing it upsets them too.
Sometimes using their faces to do it, too!
@@Zulkuss
To be fair, this was motivated by a desire to keep Magnus out of problem, either from the Warp or their brothers and father.
In Fulgrim's case, it was pure "I'm 100% DONE with your bullshit". XD Lol
@DeathMessenger1988 did Perty do that to Magnus, too? I was thinking of the miniature Titan that he smashed into pieces with Fulgrim's face
@@Zulkuss
I just referenced that scene, yes.
He smashed the device in front of Magnus because he knew Magnus liked to delve into the Warp too much and wanted to warn him off.
@DeathMessenger1988 no, you are thinking of Antikheira (or however you spell it) mechanism. I was talking about the time Fulgrim took Perty to the Eye of Terror.
Perto: Cruelty is sometimes needed just to make the point abso-f*cking-lutely clear
Lorgar: Hold my Amasec
Perty was only looking out for his brother 😌😔
He was also the one guy holding the heresy legions together.
Peter had a brain. He had common sense. He fucking carried the heresy. If the emperor would have given him a hug and told him he was proud of him, the heresy would have lost on Istvaan 3.
Perturabo's gigachad moment. One of many, actually.
Im very interested in the relationships between primarchs. One ive always wanted to know more about was perty and the lion. They have that thing with the seige weapons, but i dont know what else
This just makes me love perturabo even more.
PERTURABO I NEEEEDED THAAAT
When your two best friends who never met vibe really well:
That’s why I had a weird dream I was helping out Perty. Weirdly enough he’s a solid primarch , and he’s one of my favorites.
I always sided with Pert. Been in his shoes too often to count, really.
This quote by Perturabo I think informs the way the Emperor handled Lorgar, with him being most susceptible to misinterpreting the point. If Perturabo was there instead of Guilliman, he would have understood precisely why Big E did what he did.
Random moment of loyalty from one of the most disgruntled primarchs.
In the dark grim future...there must always be comradery.
With that type of "Logic" you would think Perturabo would have stayed loyal to the Emperor, but no Daddy didn't invite him to Terra. Throws all logic out the window.
Out of all the traitor Primarch. Perty is my favorite. Just straight edge no nonsense. I kinda hope he come back to being a loyalist and redeems himself
Love that line in the end. It can be so true
Sometimes you need someone to tell you to not be an idiot or that you only think that you know what you’re doing
Canon Perturabo: explains to Magnus the point of necessary evil
Fanon Peter Turbo: *autistic screeching*
I remember a really hardcore scene in supergirl where someone showed one of the girls she turns into the scary bad villian girl of the season.
Was really intense watching the character realise they’re the evil one
Wow... He is actually kinda right with that, think of all the good people who have martyred themselves for an ungrateful humanity that twisted their work and words the moment they were gone.
But no one has ever misinterpreted cruelty.
perturabo just laid out emps thot proces w/that last line...
Good ol' Perturabo, never does anything by half measures.
Swear perturabo got the strongest back of them all
Perty goes back and forth between reasonable, cruel beyond imagination, and petulantly immature so often it gives me wiplash in the best way.
"You have a cruel streak in you, brother"
The more I hear about Perturabo, the more I can't help but like him. Even as he exasperates me, infuriates me, and outright drives me NUTS, there's always a twinge of "He's got a point I can't refute." and I get an irrational urge to "fix" him, so he can make the point in a way I don't want to refute.
Ah Magnus, always wanting to do good. Always Effing it up
"You'll thank me later" - Perturabo
I wonder how many Hivers worked the 1am to 1am shift to make that thing over the years just to learn it was crushed for a 'point'
What a lost to have him as a traitor... Imagine if Gilliman and him could have done ruling the empire
man Perty got real AF at tehe end
This is etched into my soul now
Perturabo has the aspect of the Emperor that raised Monarchia.
Prime example of “Magnus did nothing wrong”
He was told to do nothing, and he did it wrong
If I remember right, Perturabo also condemned the Nicaea Trials as a huge sham that not had a single ounce of logic, evidence or any good reason to be had as well.
I wonder if Perturabo ever looked back on this moment, in irony of what’s become of him and his legion, becoming warpsmiths and binding demons to technology to make demon engines 😂
If only Purturabo was in the loyalist side.
Nobody:
Karl Casey in the background: 🎶🔥🔥🎶
That last line reminds me of Monarchia
I’m on Perturabo side here. He wanted Magnus to stop delving into things they both barely understand and going behind the backs of others just to have Magnus way. Magnus may have good intentions and wasn’t planning on anything evil, but given how the rest of Magnus life goes this was warranted
If only Peter Turbo could be this reasonable more often
Sometimes, I wonder what a 40k universe was, where Pete was chosen for war master, blind siding everyone, including chaos or, at the very least, Pete was appreciated a little more. Oh well, line up for decimation
That’s hard as fuck
He does craft good shit
Perty would have been an awesome loyalist primarch.
Damn, I gotta put some respect on Perturabo's name for this one.
They probably wouldn't like each other now much.
Wow never has a sentence ever been more accurate. Goddamn Purty!
“DUDE! Uncool…”
-Magnus (probably)
the question is why built it in the first place... is like saying "I told you I can build it... but you can't have it"