Businesses and land owners can put road markings down and any other road furniture. They just don't have any legal force if they are ignored. Though it might be against company policy to ignore them. To really check if something is public, check that lamp posts (or other road furniture) have ID markings that match up in style and format to known public ones.
@@TheSadButMadLad - I think you're probably right. but WHO CARES? .., If you're filming on private property, the absolute worst they can do is remove you, using only reasonable force. It is NOT a CRIMINAL offence to film on private property!
@@TheSadButMadLad So what you are saying then they could paint double yellow lines on a private road for example but would not be able to enforce it or give you a ticket ?
@urbo locks - seems a little harsh - perhaps you can explain your reasoning, what law is he breaking ? these 2 security guards *accomplished nothing* except to make themselves and their company look uninformed to put it kindly ...
@urbo locks again, and you're making yourself look silly for not answering my question . what law did he brake ?.... they came to him barking at him to leave the property and accomplished *nothing* .... so if calling names and threatening is all you got then that says more about you then him ..
@urbo locks - ah, did some googling - you mean "who's silly" and if all you can do is piss yourself then again that says more about you that i wouldn't be proud of ...
@urbo locks - oh buddy , you're still missing the point, i would not engage with anyone because they are not breaking the law.. remember my first post? it's the empty cans.. not unlike you who still hasn't answered my question .. maybe see if G4S is hiring, you'd fit right in .. and they approached/ bothered him, not the other way around..
The crossings have yellow knobbled tactiles either side for blind people to detect through their feet. These are council property ergo a public road. I am a construction general foreman of 32 years experience and you can take it the bank I'm right about this.
Get yourself a automatic SLR camera, one with a really loud shutter action, then reel off a dozen shots at a time, saw another auditor doing it, really funny.
I worked at GSK in Ware Herts. I was surprised to learn that the road (Harris's Lane) to town before the turn off into the site access road is private. It belongs to GSK but has full unrestricted public access. You wouldn't know to look at it. It is probably because it cuts through and borders 2 sites on land owned by them.
After taking redundancy and retirement from a management position in the oil industry I ended up at 50 working as a prison officer in a G4S (cat A at the time) private prison on Merseyside. The pay was two thirds that of state prison officers and staffing levels were about a quarter, 2 officers to 95 prisoners. Don't make the mistake of thinking that because the bulk of G4S staff are low paid they are thick. I'm also a former police sergeant with a degree, however at 50 jobs are hard to come by on Merseyside you take what you can get. G4S treat their staff as mushrooms, keep them in the dark and feed them loads of BS. Sadly those security guards appear to genuinely believe the tosh G4S has fed them. I retired for good at 55 and live comfortably on my pensions and investments, happy days.
A zebra crossing, keep left signs, double yellow road markings, street lights all look pretty public to me. Also, there were no no-entry signs, keep out signs, private property signs, fences or barriers blocking the way, so how can they tell you it is private property if there are no indications to confirm it?
Well done Matt. When they walk off like that they are wrong and make a right prick of themselves especially when they don't know what's private and what's public
It's perfectly legal for the public to go on that land under Section 3 of the Ken Dodd - Diddy Men - Jam Butty Mines Act of 1972. That's in the G4S training manual.
All you need to say to any security guard is, you are out of your jurisdiction, you are paid to watch and observe. If you do see anything or anybody acting suspicious off the property, your duty as security is to stay on the property and ring the police. While waiting for them to arrive, you haven't any authority to go on public land to question a member of the public or threaten, approach aggressively, or demand identification. And your sia badge must be visible at all times. Well done Matt, next time tell them to kick rocks, you're dismissed and do the walk of shame.
Have to say, apart from too readily giving your name to the first person who asked you to it, this is one of your better videos; you were much more assertive in it than normal.
Well there’s one thing constant in this world, either side of the pond, people that work for G4S are often not the sharpest tool in the shed. What happened to security following the protocol of observe and report?? How come so many of them think “confront and harass” is part of their job description. 😂😂....👍✌️❤️
Somebody's going to tell you that you need to report the security guard to the agency that issues security licensing and also sue the company. He has no authority to even approach you or give you directives of any kind unless it pertains to the area in which he is paid and insured to work in. In other words he should not go freelance as Johnny on the spot.
Even on private road you can film. Only if the private road owner set out the conditions of entry so that you know before entry what you can and can not do can you be trespassed for not following the rules. Ignorance of the law is used by police to catch people, but it's a valid defence in civil cases.
A security guard has no more powers than a member of the public they can’t forcefully remove you due to filming if there is a public right of way They can call the the police who won’t do anything as it’s a civil matter so if the company want to stop you filming the will have to take you to court
@@macsmith6216 The most the police can do in such situations is a breach of the peace which means they can arrest you, move you and then release you once off the site. No details need be given. But to do that they've got to have evidence that you are committing a breach of the peace whilst they are there. An angry security guard upset at being ignored is not causing alarm or distress, it's the guard doing it to themselves.
@@TheSadButMadLad They cannot arrest anyone, no security personnel have the power of arrest They can only perform a citizen’s arrest, the same as any member of the public Certainly not for this, they have absolutely no power over members of the public on public accessible land If someone had climbed over a fence into site then that’s a different story but it’s still a citizen’s arrest
@@macsmith6216 Yep, the security guards can't even touch you unless you were violent towards them in the first place. It's the police that can perform the arrest, but a breach of the peace is not a criminal offence and they have to release you as soon as the peace has been restored, ie. you are off the site.
Theyve just made a bumper batch of pharmaceutical grade diamorphinehydrochloride and methylamphetamine and are worried it will get stolen. Ither than that i cant see why they are so worried about.
You mentioning the Spy, reminded me who when and where and why. When 1880s, where the Wild West, why prevent train robberies , and who Wells Fargo banking. Google is fun. You have a blessed day.
Just a small point but get them to id before you even communicate with them. If they're not decent/professional enough to announce who they are, who they work for and their concerns, why would you give them any info at all? Thanks for doing the audit!
A good topic to discuss is "Implied Access". With that you will also go over subtopics like roads, sidewalks, fences, government funded and maintained areas and whatnot. The list can get long when you want to find the line.
I used to work for Veolia processing the chemicals for blood purification units, very very good company, they do look after staff very well, worked there for 3 years only left as i got bored of doing same job everyday.
Windy in Cumbria it is. G4S guards are full of wind as well ;0) Your dog crabs a bit when he walks, does he have a slight hip problem? Lovely friend to have on your walks, so friendly and mentally calming.
I have only stared watching your stuff mate 👍 because your polite but stand up to them. I used to watch AB but he's just going out rude and just making shit up . Keep it up mate 👍
Why do these security staff keep loosing there minds when they see a camera, don't they know you can see more on google earth, is this in G4S training manual under "how to make your company look stupid in less than a minute"
Eveytime I click on one of your vids I say to myself ok, this is the last one, I got things to do. It's now 2 hours later, my battery is on 2% and I've done nothing...... Lol. Thanks mat. Lol. This is a compliment btw.
0:02 Is that a Cavalier King Charles? Edit - just got to the very end of the video and saw it was and you explaining about his tail. I had a Blenheim ckc, was forced to out her to sleep during the first full lockdown. No vet would let me be with her. I eventually got one that said they would bring her out the backdoor on a table, she already had the line in her leg. She saw me and her tail started to wag, even though she could barely breathe,, she was so relieved to see me, must've thought I was coming to take her home. I've never been more devastated in my life than that day. I still can't get over it. Best dogs anyone could have imo
@@mat12128 Trouble is, the police don't respect your rights. I tremble in my boots hearing so many injustices going on right now. Seems this life is all about fighting for human rights. Bizarre. Looking forward to your dog vid.
G4s security.. 'Because this barrier isn't going to lift itself' 😆
They should go patrol a Jobcentre lol
They just doing their job, ask first before filming. I would not want to film them.
It is Not private property as its got a pedestrian crossing with yellow lights and council related markings lol
Businesses and land owners can put road markings down and any other road furniture. They just don't have any legal force if they are ignored. Though it might be against company policy to ignore them. To really check if something is public, check that lamp posts (or other road furniture) have ID markings that match up in style and format to known public ones.
@@TheSadButMadLad totally true.
It's what I would do to keep the status quo.
@@TheSadButMadLad - I think you're probably right. but WHO CARES? .., If you're filming on private property, the absolute worst they can do is remove you, using only reasonable force.
It is NOT a CRIMINAL offence to film on private property!
And a speed limit sign
@@TheSadButMadLad So what you are saying then they could paint double yellow lines on a private road for example but would not be able to enforce it or give you a ticket ?
Good man for standing your ground. Wicked.
Respect again Marti 👊
go on marti, good to know your watching, respect,
smackhead
*the empty can rattles the loudest ....*
@urbo locks - seems a little harsh - perhaps you can explain your reasoning, what law is he breaking ? these 2 security guards *accomplished nothing* except to make themselves and their company look uninformed to put it kindly ...
@urbo locks again, and you're making yourself look silly for not answering my question . what law did he brake ?.... they came to him barking at him to leave the property and accomplished *nothing* .... so if calling names and threatening is all you got then that says more about you then him ..
@urbo locks - good for you , caught a spelling mistake - my bad -- sorry don't understand the rest of your "explanation" ..
@urbo locks - ah, did some googling - you mean "who's silly" and if all you can do is piss yourself then again that says more about you that i wouldn't be proud of ...
@urbo locks - oh buddy , you're still missing the point, i would not engage with anyone because they are not breaking the law.. remember my first post? it's the empty cans.. not unlike you who still hasn't answered my question .. maybe see if G4S is hiring, you'd fit right in .. and they approached/ bothered him, not the other way around..
The guard said we allow the public access.
The crossings have yellow knobbled tactiles either side for blind people to detect through their feet. These are council property ergo a public road. I am a construction general foreman of 32 years experience and you can take it the bank I'm right about this.
May be private, but it's Accessible by the public under section 33 of the criminal justice act 1972
Marti,you and your sec 33, makes me laugh every time I hear you say it,or in this case type it.
No as it would not have a pedestrian crossing
Not private it has street lighting and a crossing, they don't put that in
Sect 33 does not apply to private property where the public access is an implied access. 1957 Occupiers Liabilities Act.
And the same phrase appears in section 74(1) of the Anti-social Behaviour Order Act 2014. Which proves that its a common legal definition.
You are knocking out some good content here Matt
Nice one mate, hope to keep you entertained while the missus watches the soaps!!
Get yourself a automatic SLR camera, one with a really loud shutter action, then reel off a dozen shots at a time, saw another auditor doing it, really funny.
S for stupid 😂
Brilliant..
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I worked at GSK in Ware Herts. I was surprised to learn that the road (Harris's Lane) to town before the turn off into the site access road is private. It belongs to GSK but has full unrestricted public access. You wouldn't know to look at it. It is probably because it cuts through and borders 2 sites on land owned by them.
Did you torture animals?
@@BG-ef8sk No, I didn't. I actually worked for a print company on site that did the print work for GSK.
After taking redundancy and retirement from a management position in the oil industry I ended up at 50 working as a prison officer in a G4S (cat A at the time) private prison on Merseyside. The pay was two thirds that of state prison officers and staffing levels were about a quarter, 2 officers to 95 prisoners. Don't make the mistake of thinking that because the bulk of G4S staff are low paid they are thick. I'm also a former police sergeant with a degree, however at 50 jobs are hard to come by on Merseyside you take what you can get. G4S treat their staff as mushrooms, keep them in the dark and feed them loads of BS. Sadly those security guards appear to genuinely believe the tosh G4S has fed them. I retired for good at 55 and live comfortably on my pensions and investments, happy days.
A zebra crossing, keep left signs, double yellow road markings, street lights all look pretty public to me. Also, there were no no-entry signs, keep out signs, private property signs, fences or barriers blocking the way, so how can they tell you it is private property if there are no indications to confirm it?
exactly
Oscar was very lucky, "Train" him not to lose things.
Shhhhhh ;)
S for stupid hahahaha, brilliant love this video. Handled amazingly, good for standing up for yourself and your rights X
Cheers Charel X
Well done Matt,
Question,
When they ask what you’re doing why don’t you tell them that you’re looking for idiots and tyrants?
You were just recommended to me. Would you like me to share some of your work?
Hiya SJVT!
wow SJVT!!!! big boy! 😆
Wow, it would be amazing my friend, you have made my week by just watching!!
@@brendandarkside1207 I know!
What a stupid question. "Does a youtuber want more people to watch the videos." Seriously are you joking.
Well done Matt. When they walk off like that they are wrong and make a right prick of themselves especially when they don't know what's private and what's public
It's perfectly legal for the public to go on that land under Section 3 of the Ken Dodd - Diddy Men - Jam Butty Mines Act of 1972. That's in the G4S training manual.
All you need to say to any security guard is, you are out of your jurisdiction, you are paid to watch and observe. If you do see anything or anybody acting suspicious off the property, your duty as security is to stay on the property and ring the police. While waiting for them to arrive, you haven't any authority to go on public land to question a member of the public or threaten, approach aggressively, or demand identification. And your sia badge must be visible at all times. Well done Matt, next time tell them to kick rocks, you're dismissed and do the walk of shame.
Have to say, apart from too readily giving your name to the first person who asked you to it, this is one of your better videos; you were much more assertive in it than normal.
Well there’s one thing constant in this world, either side of the pond, people that work for G4S are often not the sharpest tool in the shed. What happened to security following the protocol of observe and report?? How come so many of them think “confront and harass” is part of their job description. 😂😂....👍✌️❤️
All your videos are great mate! 👍
Cheers Richard 👊
I like the phrase "Jog on" it works for me,..,,,,, Great video again Mat
He’s in the wrong job!
‘Oy U, geroff my laAnd’ 🚜
Thanks for the enlightenment. The chuckles, and trips out. Great company 👍🏼😉
New subscriber from Melbourne Australia enjoying your stuff
Nice one Eugene
Have a lot of family in the uk
Just watched an amazing compilation that pinaci posted, keep up the great work informing the public of their rights, subscribed...
Cheers!
Somebody's going to tell you that you need to report the security guard to the agency that issues security licensing and also sue the company. He has no authority to even approach you or give you directives of any kind unless it pertains to the area in which he is paid and insured to work in. In other words he should not go freelance as Johnny on the spot.
If he's on public roads he has a right to film. Its when he's going on private roads that he can't film. Here he's on public roads to me.
Even on private road you can film. Only if the private road owner set out the conditions of entry so that you know before entry what you can and can not do can you be trespassed for not following the rules. Ignorance of the law is used by police to catch people, but it's a valid defence in civil cases.
A security guard has no more powers than a member of the public they can’t forcefully remove you due to filming if there is a public right of way
They can call the the police who won’t do anything as it’s a civil matter so if the company want to stop you filming the will have to take you to court
@@macsmith6216 The most the police can do in such situations is a breach of the peace which means they can arrest you, move you and then release you once off the site. No details need be given. But to do that they've got to have evidence that you are committing a breach of the peace whilst they are there. An angry security guard upset at being ignored is not causing alarm or distress, it's the guard doing it to themselves.
@@TheSadButMadLad
They cannot arrest anyone, no security personnel have the power of arrest
They can only perform a citizen’s arrest, the same as any member of the public
Certainly not for this, they have absolutely no power over members of the public on public accessible land
If someone had climbed over a fence into site then that’s a different story but it’s still a citizen’s arrest
@@macsmith6216 Yep, the security guards can't even touch you unless you were violent towards them in the first place. It's the police that can perform the arrest, but a breach of the peace is not a criminal offence and they have to release you as soon as the peace has been restored, ie. you are off the site.
That dog is cool as.......
All 3 security guards were....'a little bit different'
Theyve just made a bumper batch of pharmaceutical grade diamorphinehydrochloride and methylamphetamine and are worried it will get stolen. Ither than that i cant see why they are so worried about.
Good audit Mat, keep it up.!!
That bloke said the words we need to hear
WE ALLOW PUBLIC ACCESS
So there is your permission
Oscar was well undercover. He went well beyond the imaginary private area unnoticed by security 😂
Mate i am just the decoy in every vid!
Pinaci sent me just subbed my man you are a magnet for uneducated people keep up the great content
Nice one Will 👊
You mentioning the Spy, reminded me who when and where and why. When 1880s, where the Wild West, why prevent train robberies , and who Wells Fargo banking. Google is fun. You have a blessed day.
Sjvt sent me, love your accent and your style I've naturally subscribed 👍♥️
Haha nice one 👊
Give a man a hi-vis & he thinks he's superman.
RESPECT!!!
ford monument on the hill? do you have a link for it?
Hoad monument
@@johnnycool3138 thanks
Accountability and transparency is a worthy world demand.
Rise up with knowledge of liberty.
San Joaquin Valley sent me.
Peace and much love!
"Can i help"
Translation = tell me what you are doing right now.
Watching this now as i comment, not very approachable are they 🙄🤔 x
G4S is like a work support program for special needs.
lol well done i love the way you conduct yourself
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Education, education, education.
What a tough job you have my friend.
Congrats from Lisbon
Nice one Caim 👊
Even as I saw the thumbnail for this video I started typing, ahh yes G4S, if it looks like a duck? quacks like a duck, it's a duck
mat keep oscar on a lead especially by the roads we wouldnt like anything to happen to him thanks mate
there must be a website where you can check if it is public or private?
Every council has a list of the roads it maintains. Sometimes well hidden, but they legally have to have one.
@@TheSadButMadLad perhaps we could use a rambler or hiking survey?
Love Oscar, he's such a good dog. Lot more intelligent than the G4S muppets!
He is def feeling the love!
Just a small point but get them to id before you even communicate with them. If they're not decent/professional enough to announce who they are, who they work for and their concerns, why would you give them any info at all? Thanks for doing the audit!
"S for STUPID".........AWESOME!!!
did G4s claim that they also owned Oscars tail
The road may be private, but privately owned and privately maintained are 2 very different things........
A good topic to discuss is "Implied Access". With that you will also go over subtopics like roads, sidewalks, fences, government funded and maintained areas and whatnot. The list can get long when you want to find the line.
Oscars a cutie 🥰 more intelligent than the goons you were trying to talk to 👍
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What are you trying to achieve I don't get why you are there, Is it for a project or something?
Yep. SJVT one of the BEST. love your work, new sub!
Cheers mate!
You tell em lad.... Your dog is so cute.. 🥰
Cheers Dawn ;)
@@mat12128 I'm called Gail lol
keep up the good work mate..
Great video mate
San Joaquin Valley Transparency sent us over
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RESPECT AGAIN BROTHER 👌👌👌👌👌
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I used to work for Veolia processing the chemicals for blood purification units, very very good company, they do look after staff very well, worked there for 3 years only left as i got bored of doing same job everyday.
G4S and yellow Hi-Vis - the gift that keeps on giving with those clowns.
Love your content mat.. and can't wait for the tail of Oscars tail.
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Thanks for the video !!!!
he got a free GOON 4 SERVICE fleece and boots .that morning .
It's the Muppet show with our special guest star G4S. 😂😂😂😂😂
You will end up wishing you had stayed home listening to your happy hardcore
Hardcore is just for the weekends
Brilliant
Windy in Cumbria it is. G4S guards are full of wind as well ;0)
Your dog crabs a bit when he walks, does he have a slight hip problem?
Lovely friend to have on your walks, so friendly and mentally calming.
No he was actually getting ready for a poo!
@@mat12128
We all have our own little quirks, don't we ;0)
@@Able60 Lol he does that funny walk every time
Off they go dragging their knuckles back inside!👍👍
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Thay were just on a power trip at the end of the day.And it how you talk to people that counts
Keep up the good work Mat 👍👍👍👍
Will do mate 👊
I have only stared watching your stuff mate 👍 because your polite but stand up to them. I used to watch AB but he's just going out rude and just making shit up . Keep it up mate 👍
Great 👍 love your vids and the dog 🐕 is boss. Glad you keep running into these ignorant fools.
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Well Played - you can tell they are not used to it!
So how is that well played? How does causing distress for people all for a reaction for a youtube video deserve any praise at all?
Every time u say I'm going to take pictures , they act like u want to take their souls , u can see them gritting their teeth lol
Crazy eh? The world has turned spaz
1st 🙎 'Stroppy Knickers'
Hi, like your videos, can't find you on Flickr what are you known as?
G4S is the worst security company in the world they sack any staff that give them a worst name than they already have
I love Oscar’s floppy little feet. Great job; both of you!
Respect from Australia, geart video, lovely dog, thanks for sharing mate,
Nice one Moo 🐮
Why do these security staff keep loosing there minds when they see a camera, don't they know you can see more on google earth, is this in G4S training manual under "how to make your company look stupid in less than a minute"
San Joaquin sent me ! Good work !
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San Joaquin sent me, just subbed 👍
Keep up the good work 👍🏻👍🏻
Eveytime I click on one of your vids I say to myself ok, this is the last one, I got things to do. It's now 2 hours later, my battery is on 2% and I've done nothing...... Lol. Thanks mat. Lol. This is a compliment btw.
Lol, nice one Dave!
Hahaha that guy looked like he was having a nervous breakdown over fuck all.
Oscar hasn't got a tail because he's unique. Thats the whole story 👊🏽
Havent laughed as much in my life. Beilliant
0:02 Is that a Cavalier King Charles?
Edit - just got to the very end of the video and saw it was and you explaining about his tail. I had a Blenheim ckc, was forced to out her to sleep during the first full lockdown. No vet would let me be with her. I eventually got one that said they would bring her out the backdoor on a table, she already had the line in her leg. She saw me and her tail started to wag, even though she could barely breathe,, she was so relieved to see me, must've thought I was coming to take her home. I've never been more devastated in my life than that day. I still can't get over it. Best dogs anyone could have imo
Aw sweetheart i know exactly how you must of felt
Learn the law, you say. Don’t see how those two seemed to have a self enforced learning difficulty.
You got to start up an Oscar fan club lol!
I know, it's all the bloody dog!
Greetings from across the pond. Let freedom ring.
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Bags of style, well done
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Oh matt youve kept us on tenterhooks now should have set him on that security man
Well I would like to know the story about his tail, if no one else does. Lovely breed of dog that. Btw, I wish I had your bravery.
It ain't about being brave it's just knowing your rights Dave 👍
@@mat12128 Trouble is, the police don't respect your rights. I tremble in my boots hearing so many injustices going on right now. Seems this life is all about fighting for human rights. Bizarre. Looking forward to your dog vid.
How can you say nothing to worry about. You are probably the most exciting thing to happen in 100 years.
Brilliant 🤣🤣🤣
Well there you go !