This video hit the nail on the head! Stanford recruited well during the 2010s, but never enough to become national championship contenders, and eventually those academic prestige restrictions took their toll on the recruiting Also I really like Troy Taylor and I noticed the dynamic offense and program he built at Sacramento State, and some really good 4 star recruits have committed to his program. But I hope he doesn't fall into the same trap David Shaw fell into, where recruiting restrictions start holding them back
Yep, completely new era for Stanford. I would love to see them get back to relevance. I got a soft spot for Cal since my dad's an alum, and seeing a top-25 Big Game matchup would be great. Thanks for watching.
More issues for Stanford: Shaw would not fire ANYONE. Coaches who proved to be inferior held on to their jobs. Shaw wouldn't change the offense to match his personnel. Shaw refused to recruit more than 3 quarterbacks in 4 years. Shaw refused to give up the offensive play calling.
I watched virtually every Stanford game coached by Shaw. He was stubborn and not very bright. He never developed a game plan. . . ever. “We are who we are.” He would run the football even if the opposition is number one in the nation for stopping the run. (See the Rose Bowl against Michigan State.)
That is so sweet, thank you. You are a true OG to this. I look forward to your comments on every video. No matter how I much I grow, I'll never forget the people who have supported and believed since the jump ❤️ You are a legend.
It starts with the trenches. When harbaugh came in he built that philosophy on both sides. Veteran coaches like Randy hart, Vic fangio built that ferocious front 7 which helped Stanford dominate the more finesse pac-12. Though shaw recruited well especially the O-Line he wasn’t able to sustain it after departures of hart and bloomgren. As somebody who was in Stanford at the right time as a fan seeing them go to 4 pac-12 championships, 3 rose bowls and generally dominating the conference, it’s sad to be able to wake up now in India to see them blasted every weekend. Hope the Troy Taylor experiment pans out
It's not just recruiting. Stanford recruited well enough to still be a top 40 team. When they landed a Heisman level player like Luck or McCaffrey, they could be a top 20 or even a top 10 team. Shaw was a good recruiter and a good game coach, but the players never really developed under his assistant coaches, and Shaw kept ineffective assistants on the staff way too long. Then the transfer portal and NIL came along, and Stanford is very limited in how many transfers qualify academically to get in. They were also hesitant to embrace NIL at all.
You nailed it kid - I grew up watching Stanford football as both my parents are alumni and had one of the best tailgate sections on Saturdays. I met Jim Plunkett, John Elway and so many other great players from great Stanford teams of the past and I lived through many years of really bad football after that. I had great expectations after Harbaugh & Shaw that they had finally turned the corner of mediocrity. So sad that we will probably be waiting a very long time before we see anything like that again...if ever.
Went to one game in my life at Stanford. In 2013. I was really pleasantly suprised with the environment. Beautiful stadium and tailgating among the tall trees was a really great experience.
2015 they could have been a CFP team had they not lose to Northwestern. Luckily that Northwestern team won 10 games. I also think since 2018 they didnt have a good rb successor to Love. EJ smith didnt pan out for one example and defense regressed.
This year is very promising so far , people making the loss to FSU a big deal . Cal tends to give up winnable games very easily but still a good looking season .
Oregon did the same to stanford in 10, 11 and 15. Both those teams would have flourished with the playoff system. It was tremendous fun though seeing the chess match between the styles of both offenses and clock philosophy
I knew absolutely nothing about stanford football other than that harbaugh was there for a bit and that they made that wild comeback against colorado a while back before watching this video
Not much of the true story. Among the many things missed, devastating effect of Stanford Graduate Schools which are almost impossible to get into. Lose 15 players a year as they transfer to other schools graduate schools as they are smart enough to realize a second b.s major does no good; administration against early entry which every 5 star player in country plans on doing; early signing date as cannot even offer scholarships because not enough AP courses---just the tip of the iceberg and if you go back far enough, when the office of admissions forced Montgomery and /Willingham to leave, you would be dumbfounded.
Stanford absolutely bullied people. Smash mouth. Smartest players on the field? QBs and offensive linemen. Simple recipe. Some how they developed players on the D side. Shaw was great but the program became like a great house settling into its foundation before crumbling. Insane blue Bay Area and Rona helped. Still recruited though. 6 players taken 2023 into nfl? They’ll be back. New coach is a winner.
Stanford is the best place to watch a football game. Notre dame fills Stanford stadium. It is a epic display of athleticism with great seats fir cheap.
It is a very nice 50K seat stadium. The ambience is more like a baseball game though (sadly), you can talk to people around you without raising your voice, if there are any people around you.
Stanford isn't the only team as a _"portal outlier"_ you can lump Notre Dame in that category too. The problem with Stanford was David Shaw road the coattails off of Jim Harbaugh success and Jim's recruiting. On top it in 2011 a Stanford student journalist expose the athletics department with an _"easy course"_ list which was funneling athletes into those courses. Once the administration at Stanford shutdown those courses and focus more on academics while not caring about athletics, it took it's toll, not only in football but across the board. That's what happen to Stanford, you don't see this type of thing happening at a high academic school such as Notre Dame.
Rode the coattails? Shaw won 96 games in 12 years at Stanford, including five 10-win seasons. Harbaugh won 29 games, with 2 winning seasons in 4 years.
@atgdcommish608 Yes, Shaw certainly did ride the coattails of JH. JH is the one who set up the pipelines, JH is the one who fought with Stanford admissions, JH set up the system and marketing, Shaw was handed a set of keys, then drove it into the ground. Shaw wasn't the main problem, there were probably a few extremely important games lost by his play calling, but the main problem was Harbaugh himself when he took the Michigan jobs and targeted ND and Stanford recruits, and transfers. Both Shaw and Kelly saw the writing on the wall. One other major problem was the hiring of the DEI hitman from Harvard. Not only football but all the Greek system was targeted and wiped from Stanford history, all frats converted to homogenized dorms in order to place everyone on equal social footing. What it did, was kill all social life and exploration, caused mass isolation and depression, drastically increased suicide rate.. Stanford was Sovietized, and that quashes free thought and eliminated any safety net for those with social issues trying to compete in a pressure cooker. Sad.
Lol, the "easy course" list was such a made up piece of BS that some hater wrote about. The list was literally just all elective courses that fit the schedule of a football player. So if that quarter they needed an elective class, they could check out the list to see which one interested them the most and you knew it would fit their schedule. Screw that "journalist" that tried to tarnish the hardworking kids for a sleazy hot take.
@@MichaelSmith-xb5cp No. That is just not what happened. I won't discredit Jimbo, but Shaw was his own man that took that program to higher levels than Jim did. As for social life, I've actually heard about this. But let's be honest, social life was never a great thing for a stanford athlete. At least not compared to traditional football schools.
@Guythatsometimescomments Well, the Farm was definitely no Chico state. I'm not sure what era you are familiar with, but I can confirm there were definitely frat house ragers with Elway in attendance, open partying at Lake Lag bonfires, keggers in the sunny side bleachers of the old stadium, and open drug use at Frost when the Dead came around to play. I wouldn't know about contemporary social culture if not for commentary by Palladium mag "Stanford's war on social life" June 13, 2022. Quite horrific if true.
Great analysis. Stanford’s administration is also a major factor in the downfall. Besides the academic handicap. It limits use of the transfer portal as you discussed. However, a third and devastating restriction is the prohibition by the administration to allow its student athletes to profit in any way from their likeness. Athletes at virtually all other universities can make money from their performance but not at Stanford. If you were a talented athlete, where would you go?
I'd take the money and go somewhere else. But Stanford can lure kids in with the education, some of the best in the world. Although you can't profit, that degree still means a lot. It clearly hasn't translated to success in the new era, where kids look to be instantly gratified by likes and money. Thanks for checking out an older video of mine, it means a lot!
This is what Stanford does. Every few decades they put together a great program under coaches like Harbaugh & Shaw (2010s) or Walsh & Green (1990s) and be borderline contenders for a few years before collapsing back to their natural position. Their academic standards make it impossible to compete long term, though the school's now much lower academic standards might allow them to compete again soon. High grades and good test scores are now seen as a symptom of white supremacy in California and those standards are no longer as important.
They don't have lower academic standards now, let alone "much" lower. They proved that the school could recruit top-end talent consistently with the academic standards - their strategy and timing just needed to change from what it was. The problem was that the school administration, to put it mildly, was way too slow in adapting to the new landscape with the transfer portal and NIL. They can get back to where they were once admin decides that they want to have the program play competitive (winning) football. The $ and pedigree are already there.
@atgdcommish608 he was riding high with Harbaugh's recruits and system in the first few years and slow drove the program down the toilet. He finished 14-28 in his last 4 years and got fired for incompetence.
If they wanna compete, they gotta lower their academic standards a little bit (3.0 and above). And they need to start getting the boosters to fund an NIL collective and not just put all the money in academics.
Stanford has an NIL collective. It also has some of the wealthiest alumni of any school and an athletic endowment that's larger than the general endowment at most schools. Money is not an issue. I also don't think academic standards should preclude Stanford from winning per se. Luck and Gerhart have engineering degrees. There are plenty of great athletes that are also great students. The issue is that college football is becoming less and less about "college" and there is an inherent tension between paying a "student" millions of dollars to play football and asking that same "student" to prioritize academics. Stanford is never going to admit a bunch of kids with no intention to go to class or graduate. Those aren't "student athletes," they're employees. This whole current situation is a house of cards that comes crashing down as soon as the courts start ruling that NIL collectives are functionally an employment contract.
as a stanford fan, i hope we'll be back. it was a blast going to games in the mid 2010s with my dad and watching CMC and bryce love dominate
We can only hope 🤞
This video hit the nail on the head! Stanford recruited well during the 2010s, but never enough to become national championship contenders, and eventually those academic prestige restrictions took their toll on the recruiting
Also I really like Troy Taylor and I noticed the dynamic offense and program he built at Sacramento State, and some really good 4 star recruits have committed to his program. But I hope he doesn't fall into the same trap David Shaw fell into, where recruiting restrictions start holding them back
Yep, completely new era for Stanford. I would love to see them get back to relevance. I got a soft spot for Cal since my dad's an alum, and seeing a top-25 Big Game matchup would be great. Thanks for watching.
More issues for Stanford: Shaw would not fire ANYONE. Coaches who proved to be inferior held on to their jobs. Shaw wouldn't change the offense to match his personnel. Shaw refused to recruit more than 3 quarterbacks in 4 years. Shaw refused to give up the offensive play calling.
He clearly didn’t need to fire anyone for his first several seasons.
I watched virtually every Stanford game coached by Shaw. He was stubborn and not very bright. He never developed a game plan. . . ever. “We are who we are.” He would run the football even if the opposition is number one in the nation for stopping the run. (See the Rose Bowl against Michigan State.)
@@scottmcdonald3345Iowa fan. Kill me please.
@@scottmcdonald3345 You nailed it. Shaw needs to go.
Dang dog, your channel is growing fast. Congrats, it is totally deserved.
That is so sweet, thank you. You are a true OG to this. I look forward to your comments on every video. No matter how I much I grow, I'll never forget the people who have supported and believed since the jump ❤️ You are a legend.
It starts with the trenches. When harbaugh came in he built that philosophy on both sides. Veteran coaches like Randy hart, Vic fangio built that ferocious front 7 which helped Stanford dominate the more finesse pac-12. Though shaw recruited well especially the O-Line he wasn’t able to sustain it after departures of hart and bloomgren.
As somebody who was in Stanford at the right time as a fan seeing them go to 4 pac-12 championships, 3 rose bowls and generally dominating the conference, it’s sad to be able to wake up now in India to see them blasted every weekend. Hope the Troy Taylor experiment pans out
Aye man, I hope to see them back too. Thanks for watching and showing love from across the world!
It's not just recruiting. Stanford recruited well enough to still be a top 40 team. When they landed a Heisman level player like Luck or McCaffrey, they could be a top 20 or even a top 10 team. Shaw was a good recruiter and a good game coach, but the players never really developed under his assistant coaches, and Shaw kept ineffective assistants on the staff way too long. Then the transfer portal and NIL came along, and Stanford is very limited in how many transfers qualify academically to get in. They were also hesitant to embrace NIL at all.
Man the days of Stepfan Taylor, Ty Montgomery, Zach Ertz, Andrew Luck, and so many others. 😮💨
The "good ole days". Thanks for watching!
Don't forget Bryce Love -- lightning in cleats.
Andrew luck murdered that Usc DB
That was the craziest clip on here 😂
You nailed it kid - I grew up watching Stanford football as both my parents are alumni and had one of the best tailgate sections on Saturdays. I met Jim Plunkett, John Elway and so many other great players from great Stanford teams of the past and I lived through many years of really bad football after that. I had great expectations after Harbaugh & Shaw that they had finally turned the corner of mediocrity. So sad that we will probably be waiting a very long time before we see anything like that again...if ever.
Went to one game in my life at Stanford. In 2013. I was really pleasantly suprised with the environment. Beautiful stadium and tailgating among the tall trees was a really great experience.
The Stanford Administration doesn't care about what happens on the football field. They have other priorities.....
Stanford having a 1% transfer acceptance rate doesn’t help when it comes to football…
You need to make more of these videos they are 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thanks! I got you!
2015 they could have been a CFP team had they not lose to Northwestern. Luckily that Northwestern team won 10 games. I also think since 2018 they didnt have a good rb successor to Love. EJ smith didnt pan out for one example and defense regressed.
Yeah, it was a tough way to start the season in 2015.
Dang bruh was here since 500 now your almost at 5k it’s crazy bro
Hey bro, I appreciate you so much. Your belief from the beginning is one of the reasons why I'm here, don't forget that. ❤️
NIL and the transfer portal is what hurt Stanford.
Such a well made video. Thanks!
What about CAL? From the years of ARog & Marshawn Lynch…Jared Goff…
So fortunate to see CAL & Stanford when they were at the top in talent🙏💕🌲🌊🏈
This year is very promising so far , people making the loss to FSU a big deal . Cal tends to give up winnable games very easily but still a good looking season .
Stanford ruined Oregons season in 12 and 13. I hate Stanford.
They did😂😂
The hate is mutual 😂
Oregon did the same to stanford in 10, 11 and 15. Both those teams would have flourished with the playoff system. It was tremendous fun though seeing the chess match between the styles of both offenses and clock philosophy
2001 says hello also😢.
@@rocklayman Yup, playing Stanfords style of running alot and being methodical was pretty much the only way to beat those Oregon teams.
I knew absolutely nothing about stanford football other than that harbaugh was there for a bit and that they made that wild comeback against colorado a while back before watching this video
See that's crazy, people who are young never even knew about how good Stanford was, because they fell off so fast.
Not much of the true story. Among the many things missed, devastating effect of Stanford Graduate Schools which are almost impossible to get into. Lose 15 players a year as they transfer to other schools graduate schools as they are smart enough to realize a second b.s major does no good; administration against early entry which every 5 star player in country plans on doing; early signing date as cannot even offer scholarships because not enough AP courses---just the tip of the iceberg and if you go back far enough, when the office of admissions forced Montgomery and /Willingham to leave, you would be dumbfounded.
What music was used in this video?
In order:
Married to the game - Future
Jodie - SZA
Passion Fruit - Young Nudy
7969 Santa - Drake
Stories about my brother - Drake
Jodie - SZA
@@SaturdayShenanigansYT Thanks!
Stanford football future looks somewhat bright under new HC.
Yeah, his recruiting so far has been better than I expected.
Will you ever do a video on Eastern illinois university's football program? Been around since the early 1900s
I might branch out into FCS sometime soon, and when I do, I'll hit Eastern Illinois. They have done really poorly in the recent years.
Damn... I miss those 2010s Stanford teams. Even tho I hated when we had to play them and CMC should've won the Heisman idc
I agree, always thought he got robbed and I'll stand on it. Thanks for watching!
Coach Harbaugh is a top 10 coach in football history (pros and college included)
Hm, I got to think about that
Stanford absolutely bullied people. Smash mouth. Smartest players on the field? QBs and offensive linemen. Simple recipe. Some how they developed players on the D side. Shaw was great but the program became like a great house settling into its foundation before crumbling. Insane blue Bay Area and Rona helped. Still recruited though. 6 players taken 2023 into nfl? They’ll be back. New coach is a winner.
Plus their alumni are ridiculously wealthy and the school has put together a great NIL program and hey a Stanford degree sells.
Great points, I hope they can get back to a highly competitive team. Thanks for watching!
Stanford has a 3-5% admission rate. Ultra selective school. Stanford also lost to Division 2 UC Davis back in the day before Harbaugh.
Stanford is the best place to watch a football game. Notre dame fills Stanford stadium. It is a epic display of athleticism with great seats fir cheap.
I've never been, but I look forward to going to a game there one day!
It is a very nice 50K seat stadium. The ambience is more like a baseball game though (sadly), you can talk to people around you without raising your voice, if there are any people around you.
I'm a lifelong stanford fan, and I find it rlly sad what happen. I am hopeful that Troy Taylor can do some good stuff for us though
🤣🤣🤣
I hope they get back too!
I knew Stanford had a fan!
As soon as the pandemic hit that’s kinda when we went to rock bottom I still have hope
They probably have a good year this year
Bowl Eligible if they're lucky!
Well looking hindsight it's another 3-9 season
Stanford isn't the only team as a _"portal outlier"_ you can lump Notre Dame in that category too. The problem with Stanford was David Shaw road the coattails off of Jim Harbaugh success and Jim's recruiting. On top it in 2011 a Stanford student journalist expose the athletics department with an _"easy course"_ list which was funneling athletes into those courses. Once the administration at Stanford shutdown those courses and focus more on academics while not caring about athletics, it took it's toll, not only in football but across the board. That's what happen to Stanford, you don't see this type of thing happening at a high academic school such as Notre Dame.
Rode the coattails? Shaw won 96 games in 12 years at Stanford, including five 10-win seasons. Harbaugh won 29 games, with 2 winning seasons in 4 years.
@atgdcommish608 Yes, Shaw certainly did ride the coattails of JH. JH is the one who set up the pipelines, JH is the one who fought with Stanford admissions, JH set up the system and marketing, Shaw was handed a set of keys, then drove it into the ground. Shaw wasn't the main problem, there were probably a few extremely important games lost by his play calling, but the main problem was Harbaugh himself when he took the Michigan jobs and targeted ND and Stanford recruits, and transfers. Both Shaw and Kelly saw the writing on the wall.
One other major problem was the hiring of the DEI hitman from Harvard. Not only football but all the Greek system was targeted and wiped from Stanford history, all frats converted to homogenized dorms in order to place everyone on equal social footing. What it did, was kill all social life and exploration, caused mass isolation and depression, drastically increased suicide rate.. Stanford was Sovietized, and that quashes free thought and eliminated any safety net for those with social issues trying to compete in a pressure cooker. Sad.
Lol, the "easy course" list was such a made up piece of BS that some hater wrote about. The list was literally just all elective courses that fit the schedule of a football player. So if that quarter they needed an elective class, they could check out the list to see which one interested them the most and you knew it would fit their schedule. Screw that "journalist" that tried to tarnish the hardworking kids for a sleazy hot take.
@@MichaelSmith-xb5cp No. That is just not what happened. I won't discredit Jimbo, but Shaw was his own man that took that program to higher levels than Jim did. As for social life, I've actually heard about this. But let's be honest, social life was never a great thing for a stanford athlete. At least not compared to traditional football schools.
@Guythatsometimescomments Well, the Farm was definitely no Chico state. I'm not sure what era you are familiar with, but I can confirm there were definitely frat house ragers with Elway in attendance, open partying at Lake Lag bonfires, keggers in the sunny side bleachers of the old stadium, and open drug use at Frost when the Dead came around to play. I wouldn't know about contemporary social culture if not for commentary by Palladium mag "Stanford's war on social life" June 13, 2022. Quite horrific if true.
the hat trick 😂😂
😂😂 Going for a 4th in 2024?
@@SaturdayShenanigansYT ayomanor will save them i have faith
Great analysis. Stanford’s administration is also a major factor in the downfall. Besides the academic handicap. It limits use of the transfer portal as you discussed. However, a third and devastating restriction is the prohibition by the administration to allow its student athletes to profit in any way from their likeness. Athletes at virtually all other universities can make money from their performance but not at Stanford. If you were a talented athlete, where would you go?
I'd take the money and go somewhere else. But Stanford can lure kids in with the education, some of the best in the world. Although you can't profit, that degree still means a lot. It clearly hasn't translated to success in the new era, where kids look to be instantly gratified by likes and money. Thanks for checking out an older video of mine, it means a lot!
revived them in retro bowl college💪
Ayeeeee
Wait until you hear about Cal. 🤔🐻
I grew up a Cal fan before I went to Oregon State. It was rough being a bear fan.
@@SaturdayShenanigansYTwhat do you think about cal getting gameday this weekend ?
Bryce Love man. I miss him
Reggie Bush was the best college player of all time.
They need to give him his Heisman back
Never watched McCaffrey or Luck then I guess.
@atgdcommish608 I watched and I Watched Reggie.
@@SaturdayShenanigansYT praise God he got it
Stanford was OP in NCAA 12
Facts
Fr bro
It could be worse, we could have gone to Cal
🔥
Thanks bro!
Go Hornets❗❗🐝
Can't believe they won that
Bro you don't gotta stare at the camera like that
Lol
I love Stanford but. Stingers up 🤷♂️
Still can't believe that game happened
They became a spread team. That's why.
This is what Stanford does. Every few decades they put together a great program under coaches like Harbaugh & Shaw (2010s) or Walsh & Green (1990s) and be borderline contenders for a few years before collapsing back to their natural position. Their academic standards make it impossible to compete long term, though the school's now much lower academic standards might allow them to compete again soon. High grades and good test scores are now seen as a symptom of white supremacy in California and those standards are no longer as important.
Maybe they'll have another boom in the late 2020's going into the 2030's.
The academic standards are still way higher than any other FBS team.
They don't have lower academic standards now, let alone "much" lower. They proved that the school could recruit top-end talent consistently with the academic standards - their strategy and timing just needed to change from what it was. The problem was that the school administration, to put it mildly, was way too slow in adapting to the new landscape with the transfer portal and NIL. They can get back to where they were once admin decides that they want to have the program play competitive (winning) football. The $ and pedigree are already there.
I predicted death of Stanford football after Harbaugh left.
Yeah, and David Shaw won 96 games, with five 10-win seasons and 8 straight bowl games.
@atgdcommish608 he was riding high with Harbaugh's recruits and system in the first few years and slow drove the program down the toilet. He finished 14-28 in his last 4 years and got fired for incompetence.
If they wanna compete, they gotta lower their academic standards a little bit (3.0 and above). And they need to start getting the boosters to fund an NIL collective and not just put all the money in academics.
Not going to happen
That would be great, but unfortunately, highly unlikely.
Stanford has an NIL collective. It also has some of the wealthiest alumni of any school and an athletic endowment that's larger than the general endowment at most schools. Money is not an issue. I also don't think academic standards should preclude Stanford from winning per se. Luck and Gerhart have engineering degrees. There are plenty of great athletes that are also great students. The issue is that college football is becoming less and less about "college" and there is an inherent tension between paying a "student" millions of dollars to play football and asking that same "student" to prioritize academics. Stanford is never going to admit a bunch of kids with no intention to go to class or graduate. Those aren't "student athletes," they're employees. This whole current situation is a house of cards that comes crashing down as soon as the courts start ruling that NIL collectives are functionally an employment contract.
FUCJ STANFORD LETS GO BEARS