The oof that he went so far out of his way to get English Cheddar and then bought $20 worth of Welsh Cheddar Though it does seem Babbish was attempting to recreate Welsh Rarebit anyway so, accidental win I guess
@@sirllamalot1980 Black Bomber I've had a long time ago and if I recall it makes your cheeks twitch with the maturity of the Cheddar - I think it was that cheeses. A good cheese.
That fucking grilled cheese copypasta from Reddit really fried people's minds. Though I think it stops being a grilled cheese when the cheese isn't the main star anymore.
While I like Guga, I hate his obsession with putting expensive steaks in literally anything and thinking of it as an improvement. I'd rather have my Wagyu plain, and then eat a grilled cheese. I get it it's more exciting than a grilled cheese, but it's less exciting than plain Wagyu.
Or, render out some of the wagyu fat, and use that to toast the bread/in place of butter. My wife uses bacon fat for her grilled cheese and it's amazing.
@@ghausimuhammadtiftazani7883 take me for example… love and consume lots of dairy… but my body hates me for it. It’s angrily coming back out one way or another…
the problem with adding sodium citrate to just the shredded cheese is it has to be stirred and melted to homogenize the cheeses, just chucking it in wouldn't do much. and I used about 1lb of cheeses to 1/2ish tsp of the stuff when I made my own american cheese. it is acidic and there was alot in that small amount of cheese.
^this. i facepalmed a little bit when i saw that his cheese was still in shredded form when it went on the sandwich, but then i realized that thats probably a sign that guga foods didnt explain it very well.
I was thinking the same thing. Whenever I’ve seen sodium citrate used it’s melted into a cheese sauce akin to velveeta and would be a great opportunity to add in flavors like the ale from earlier. I remember Kenji’s Mac and cheese video he used evaporated milk to get a similar effect. I bet a hack could be adding some American cheese and since that has sodium citrate it might help the other cheeses melt and become more cohesive. But I get he was following Guga’s recipe and execution which seems flawed
When I want grilled cheese, I want Kenji's version. I don't care how it ranks in the end ratings, it's the only one that ticks off all my "grilled cheese" boxes. (mic drop)
Gotta admit. I'm not the biggest fan of Guga these days. Making his "100 dollar food" is literally just making a basic food and then adding Wagyu to it. Not even the rarest butter from Egypt or the most expensive American cheese from Wisconsin or something. Nope, just flat out Wagyu. That's it
@@robbiedaniels2164 everyone is doing clickbait, this is standard whenever you like it or not... YT and almighty alghorithm yada yada with no way around it.
Real talk though, a hot sandwich is simply a grilled cheese sandwich with meat(s) or vegetable(s), etc. You're just adding things to the grilled cheese. There's nothing original about that.
i think as long as everything you add is dairy, egg (like as an egg wash or in the mayo), seasoning, or grain, youve retained the original ingredients and can add whatever.
I had a grilled cheese today for the first time in years so that’s an odd coincidence. Cheddar and Camembert on sourdough and cooked in butter and a bit of bacon fat. So a bit fancier than normal but still an actual grilled cheese. Yum
Honestly I was probably the one kid where grilled cheese WASN’T a regular presence. Heck it barely had one. Never much white bread in the house after a certain point. In hindsight I wish it did. Quesadillas? Yup, had plenty of those, but quesadillas don’t have the same pull or as much crunch. Completely different satisfaction
My family didn't do grilled cheese either- we did boiled cheese. Slice of bread, butter then cheese and you put condiments on or under the cheese (vegemite, branston pickle under, ketchup or HP sauce over). We still used wholemeal bread for it too but it was such a big treat.
Missing extremely processed wheat produced, extermely fatty cheeses with very low nutrients but high in calories, i don't really know if you missed out.
@@Kavriel you’re dtm😂 two slices of bread with one slide of cheese isn’t that bad, it’s when you start making more than one and eating it daily that gets you.
Not too long ago I messed around with different grilled cheese buttering methods. My ingredients, as basic and to some unappealing were simple slices of white bread and kraft singles. Cooked each in a skillet on low-med with a lid for melting consistency. For fats I tried butter, margarine, mayo, ghee and olive oil. For the different taste in ingredients, I didn't notice too much difference to be picky over, that being said, I would still rank them Margarine, Olive Oil, Butter, Mayo then Ghee from worst to best. Ghee is just good. For my different grilling methods, I started with the basic spreading fat on bread. I tried all but the olive oil, and my results were your standard nostalgic grilled cheese. Nice and golden, nothing extravagant, but good. worth noting that butter and ghee should be room temp or else they are not spreadable. Next I tried fat in pan only. I didn't do mayo for this as it was a bit too awkward. This went a little poorly. without having any barrier, the bread just soaked up the excess fat in the pan and sogged out before grilling. I tried less fat in the pan to similar results. Aside from a little bit of excess fat, the bread toasted edge to edge beautifully, getting the perfect level of crunch even over the crust that normally doesn't happen with spreading fats. The final product still tasted delicious, just required way more fat to grill. The margarine underperformed. Butter was decent, but it definitely started getting a little too dark by the end. Olive oil held temp great and gave a good even cook, and ghee was just fantastic. Soaked in that amazing butter flavor without burning. The last method I tried and this was the most risky to my health was double grilled. I would give the bread a super light spread, cook it super blond, let it rest for a moment while I quickly wipe out the skillet, then toss some fat in the pan and finish cooking. This was the best of both worlds. It had an absolutely gorgeous crunch, edge to edge golden crispy grilled bread. It didn't sog out because the initial grill prevented excess fat from the pan fry to get soaked up. The result was an incredibly tasty, gorgeous fat filled masterpiece. Weirdly enough I think it took less fat overall than the pan only method, definitely more than the traditional spread. For this Ghee once again shined strong. I paired mayo with olive oil and it was also pretty good. Butter was solid and margarine existed. Is this method worth it? probably not. It was damn good tho.
You should try putting really thin slivers of butter inside the bread with the cheese, or buttering the inside of the bread, just cook as normal. It’s entirely unhealthy but it guarantees a cheese pull regardless of how much cheese you use (:
Wagu?? Buffalo chicken??? Well I never! A grilled cheese consists of only these following items. Cheese. Bread with spread (usually butter). This entire subreddit consist of "melts". Almost every "grilled cheese" sandwich i see on here has other items added to it. The fact that this subreddit is called "grilledcheese" is nothing short of utter blasphemy. Let me start out by saying I have nothing against melts, I just hate their association with sandwiches that are not grilled cheeses. Adding cheese to your tuna sandwich? It's called a Tuna melt. Totally different. Want to add bacon and some pretentious bread crumbs with spinach? I don't know what the hell you'd call that but it's not a grilled cheese. I would be more than willing to wager I've eaten more grilled cheeses in my 21 years than any of you had in your entire lives. I have one almost everyday and sometimes more than just one sandwich. Want to personalize your grilled cheese? Use a mix of different cheeses or use sourdough or french bread. But if you want to add some pulled pork and take a picture of it, make your own subreddit entitled "melts" because that is not a fucking grilled cheese. I'm not a religious man nor am I anything close to a culinary expert. But as a bland white mid-western male I am honestly the most passionate person when it comes to grilled cheese and mac & cheese. All of you foodies stay the hell away from our grilled cheeses and stop associating your sandwich melts with them. Yet again, it is utter blasphemy and it rocks me to the core of my pale being. Shit, I stopped lurking after 3 years and made this account for the sole purpose of posting this. I've seen post after post of peoples "grilled cheeses" all over reddit and it's been driving me insane. The moment i saw this subreddit this morning I finally snapped. Hell, I may even start my own subreddit just because I know this one exists now. You god damn heretics. Respect the grilled cheese and stop changing it into whatever you like and love it for it what it is. Or make your damn melt sandwich and call it for what it is. A melt.
There has already been an answer to the debate: A grilled cheese must only have cheese in it. Anything other than cheese would turn it into a melt. Also, still waiting for the Arby’s Beef & Cheddar versus between Josh Weissman, Guga/SVE, Sam the Cooking Guy, and Matty Matheson.
I half agree but then it turns into the Mexican thing where every single variation you do on anything gives it a new name so it's near impossible to talk about getting a taco without some annoying kid telling you how "that's not a taco because it has x in it and instead it should be a Madre Teresa de Calcuta con queso" or some shit like that
@@wsDiA_vd Well not so much. In the US, it's just a few categories for this. Only cheese = grilled cheese. Add anything else and it's a melt. Chicken melt, steak melt, pepperoni melt, whatever you put in there. If the sandwich is pressed and grilled it's a panini, doesn't matter if it's only cheese or it has other things - or even if it doesn't have cheese.
Very bad production. He was just thrown into a situation and told to make a sandwich but was screwed from the start with the type of cheese his crew grabbed.
It's a Food Wishes recipe that was later modified by Chlebowski who wanted to honor chef John and Babish who might have been out to redeem a failed Welsh rarebit experiment.
There's a word for sandwiches that have things other than cheese. Melt - Definition: A type of sandwich consisting of bread, some sort of filling, and a layer of cheese, sometimes grated. The sandwich is then grilled or fried until the cheese is melted.
None of them count if that's the definition you use. They were not grilled, they were fried. And also since you don't just put a block of cheese in your frying pan, they were "fried sandwiches", not "fried cheeses". Though if you want the word cheese in there you can call it a "fried cheese sandwich".
@@Gamesaucer when was the last time you put some sauce on your game? You sound so pedantic that if you're not already a British celibate from the 1920s you will become one soon, voluntarily or not. You know what was meant but still had to jerk yourself off proving them "wrong".
Wait...is this a first win for Kenji?! Like, in my own opinion...Guga lost because it was a steak sandwich and not a grilled cheese...all the hype for the basics man! Heck yeah!
You used too much citrate. That's why Guga's was off tasting. Sodium citrate is like MSG: a little goes a long way but it's easier to overdo it. That said I find it funny Kenji kicked Disney in the nuts with a basic grilled cheese. I have issues with Disney and like to see their recipes brought down a peg.
The English cheese is not English!! It's from Snowdonia witch is in Wales so it's technically Welsh. You need good old Cheddar Gorge cheese or just mature Cheddar from Tescos 🏴 🏴 love the videos!
Love the video. However, I feel as if a better Babish grilled cheese to try would be the Regular Show grilled cheese he recreated! Oh, so simple, but Babish proved that a lot can go into even a seemingly simple dish.
If my mouth is craving a grilled cheese... Sweetheart, she's getting some basic ass bread and some basic ass sliced cheese. But if those cooks want to make one of theirs for me, I will happily enjoy them :) Thanks David
I love the concept of the first recipe being a completely reasonable but amazing version!! Honestly that’s the one we’re most likely to replicate if presented the way you did
Babish’s sandwich is essentially rarebit sauce over a grilled cheese in case you want a simplified version. Also if you’re going for a English cheddar go to your deli at the grocery store and try some.
I like my grilled cheese with gouda, ham or slices of kielbasa and fresh tomatoes with garlic or onion. As for bread I just use whatever I have and would go stale otherwise. :) The disney one looks good to me but I like cream cheese so maybe thst's why.
My favorite grilled cheese is bread (preferably Dave’s killer thin sliced but any will work!), shredded cheese (preferably Colby Jack - but whatever hard meltable cheese), frozen chopped spinach thawed, and a fat (butter or otherwise). Start with two slices of bread in the pan (if you prefer a harder bread pre toast the bread to taste in your toaster) with the fat spread on the facing down side. In a bowl (or go wild like I tend to and just kinda mix/layer on to save having to wash a bowl) mix equal parts cheese and spinach then layer on the bread amount to taste (I prefer about a 2cm height of filling. Then flip one slice of bread over the other and toast / melt on low heat to melt the filling (flipping the sandwich as needed. (Optional if you are in a rush after browning / toasting the bread pop it in the microwave for 30 seconds bursts to melt the filling). Enjoy your sandwich with whatever dip you like or plain. I like it with sugar free ketchup or a spinach artichoke dip.
for vegans OR DAIRY SENSITIVE PPL AS I AM i am in love with the daiya cheddar or american cheese slices for a classic grilled cheese they melt so good i cant ever tell the difference 😭❤️
David, mate. Please. Every video where you say Worcester sauce... You're making it SO much harder than it needs to be. It's pronounced "wooster". The "woo" is pronounced the same as in wuss. Wusster sauce.
As someone obsessed with Kenji's grilled cheese recipe, you should look at it like a plain canvas. You learn the basics, use American cheese for meltiness, use soft white bread, and cook it slowly- but other than that, you can add whatever you want and do it as you like it. I think that's what Kenji aims for when he creates his recipes, teaching you the basics, and the structure of a recipe. It's up to you to experiment with what you like best. Add bacon, change the cheese, use mayo and not butter, or a different sauce- it's just a canvas :)
How can you make this video without including Adam Ragusea? Great video though, I will definitely take some of your tips when I make my next grilled cheese
For the butter vs mayo debate, you have to keep in mind some people are referring to margarine when they talk about butter, since it is cheaper. If comparing the cheap options, of margarine vs mayo, mayo wins. It has a good flavor and browns real nice, whereas margarine has good flavor but does not cooperate when browning. Both lose by a landslide to real butter though, it just gives superior flavor and browning.
I always find myself going back to Kenji because he’s mastered the basics, nobody is making Andrews “grilled cheese”. I’m sure it’s good but his recipes are almost always just too much
Sodium citrate is absolutely slightly acidic. It's basically salt combined with citric acid, and it works better for making silky smooth chees sauces, like for trying to get a homemade version of mac and cheese that's just as smooth as the store bought stuff. But just mixing it with shredded cheese like that isn't really going to do much. Not sure what Guga was thinking tbh.
If you wanna get the cheese to melt, put a cover over the pan and put a few drops of water into the hot pan. Make sure to do it away from the bread so it doesnt get soggy and cover right away
Aged cheese actually is lactose free, or close to it, and contains like 99% less lactose than regular milk, and in some cases the amounts are so low they are indictable. In the ageing process the lactose is broken down. And it doesn’t need to be aged for years like say a Parmesan. But just the normal amount is plenty, so any yellow cheese that you can slice is essentially lactose free. As long as it’s not a white fresh cheese like say fresh mozzarella, cream cheese, ricotta. Those fresh cheeses all have plenty of lactose in them. (Though Brie even if it’s appears like a soft white cheese, actually is a aged cheese, and is lactose free) But this doesn’t apply to ehm American cheese-like products. There the colour or texture isn’t a indicator of anything for them. It needs to be a cheese made like you traditionally make cheese.
Sodium citrate is great if you're trying to make a homemade queso dip or something, but on a grilled cheese just doesn't make a ton of sense. To work its magic it needs to get stirred into the cheese, not melted in place
I cannot stand the taste of cream cheese, the US adds a tangy sour note that tastes rotten to me. I just sub Mascarpone wherever cream cheese is listed. Same stuff without the additive.
You need to try the Really Awesome Black Bean Burgers from Kenji, in my opinion its one of the best recipes in the internet. Chipotle mayo is a gamechanger.
I love making grilled cheeses with sourdough, a layer of Mayo and mustard on the inside, a slice of pepper Jack cheese, and cooked with butter. Super simple and super tasty ☺️ I add some spinach and tomatoes after to make myself feel healthy 😂
Davey, I've recently tested mascarpone in recipes as a substitute for cream cheese because I also hate cream cheese with a passion. I'm telling you, it's so much better because there is no tanginess. If anything, it's got a sort of milky flavour to it, but less than what you'll find in ricotta
I’m English and didn’t even know ‘English cheddar’ was a thing that was any different from American cheddar 😂 but the best one from over here is definitely cathedral city - it’s cheap too
My favorite simple/classic (bit with a twist) grilled cheese is from Chef John at Food Wishes. He adds some shredded cheddar to the outside of the bread when toasting it so you basically have the melted gooey cheese on the inside but on the outside you get some nice crusty cheese. It's so good!
I would never use mayo to toast bread, ever. Yes, it does give a very nice toasted color, but it only is ever just on the surface, and gets soggy faster. Butter all the time
My dude literally woke up and chose the most delicious suffering he could. As a person with dairy allergy, I approve!
Milkshakes would be so much worse. Also, besides the American cheese, the other cheeses used don’t really have much lactose in them.
Same. A few large cheese ravioli almost did me in last week. (I was down for almost eight hours.) Oh the sacrifices we make for the love of cheese.
@@willisverynice except for mozzarella, brie, and whole milk ricotta.
We know are consequences, we just plan accordingly.. 😂
@@CatsPajamas23 I meant the other cheeses in the video, not all the cheeses that exist.
The oof that he went so far out of his way to get English Cheddar and then bought $20 worth of Welsh Cheddar
Though it does seem Babbish was attempting to recreate Welsh Rarebit anyway so, accidental win I guess
He needed some cheese from Cheddar Gorge 🏴
the Snowdonia cheeses are very good though. Especially Black Bomber
@@sirllamalot1980 Black Bomber I've had a long time ago and if I recall it makes your cheeks twitch with the maturity of the Cheddar - I think it was that cheeses. A good cheese.
Oh gosh I'm so glad I wasn't the only one thinking it was actually a Welsh Rarebit!
@@emmybm15 No wine/brandy/cognac, no bechamel? no rarebit.
There is no debate. A grilled cheese consists of bread, cheese, and optionally butter for toasting. Anything else is a melt.
Exactly - none of this wagu rubbish.
If something is added to a grilled cheese it’s officially called a melt. So it’s a buffalo chicken melt
when i first became vegetarian at 15 i had no clue what to eat so i ate grilled chesse for 4 months straight
That fucking grilled cheese copypasta from Reddit really fried people's minds. Though I think it stops being a grilled cheese when the cheese isn't the main star anymore.
Make Gordon Ramsays grilled cheese. Just melt the cheese. I bet it’s good
While I like Guga, I hate his obsession with putting expensive steaks in literally anything and thinking of it as an improvement. I'd rather have my Wagyu plain, and then eat a grilled cheese. I get it it's more exciting than a grilled cheese, but it's less exciting than plain Wagyu.
I mean at this point its just his shtick
It’s just what he does, people go to his channel expecting it
I've added some Italian beef into grilled cheese sandwiches before. I'd describe it as 'extreme comfort food' and its plenty exciting
That's perfect because it allows me time to make the side dish.
Or, render out some of the wagyu fat, and use that to toast the bread/in place of butter. My wife uses bacon fat for her grilled cheese and it's amazing.
the amount of lactose intolerant people who are going to watch and get inspired to make some grilled cheese
Present!
Shhh… just let me have something delicious before I spend the rest of the day in the bathroom
Is worth it...
As an asian i just really curious, it's that true some people cannot eating or drinking dairy product?
@@ghausimuhammadtiftazani7883 take me for example… love and consume lots of dairy… but my body hates me for it. It’s angrily coming back out one way or another…
the problem with adding sodium citrate to just the shredded cheese is it has to be stirred and melted to homogenize the cheeses, just chucking it in wouldn't do much. and I used about 1lb of cheeses to 1/2ish tsp of the stuff when I made my own american cheese. it is acidic and there was alot in that small amount of cheese.
^this. i facepalmed a little bit when i saw that his cheese was still in shredded form when it went on the sandwich, but then i realized that thats probably a sign that guga foods didnt explain it very well.
@@ViewerEm to be fair to david, it was still in shredded form in guga’s video
@@rymca4758 yeah okay so guga's fault on that one
I was thinking the same thing. Whenever I’ve seen sodium citrate used it’s melted into a cheese sauce akin to velveeta and would be a great opportunity to add in flavors like the ale from earlier. I remember Kenji’s Mac and cheese video he used evaporated milk to get a similar effect. I bet a hack could be adding some American cheese and since that has sodium citrate it might help the other cheeses melt and become more cohesive.
But I get he was following Guga’s recipe and execution which seems flawed
kenji may not win these things, but his recipe is usually the one followed by most people because of how simple but delicious they are
When I want grilled cheese, I want Kenji's version. I don't care how it ranks in the end ratings, it's the only one that ticks off all my "grilled cheese" boxes. (mic drop)
Gotta admit. I'm not the biggest fan of Guga these days. Making his "100 dollar food" is literally just making a basic food and then adding Wagyu to it. Not even the rarest butter from Egypt or the most expensive American cheese from Wisconsin or something.
Nope, just flat out Wagyu. That's it
You clearly don't watch his videos then lol. Yes, he does that at times but he still have lots of other things as well
Guga is the worst! Clickbait titles and videos are mostly filler. It's also extremely staged in terms of dialog.
@@robbiedaniels2164 everyone is doing clickbait, this is standard whenever you like it or not... YT and almighty alghorithm yada yada with no way around it.
@@SpecShadow So it makes it ok cause everyone does it? Wouldn't say there was clickbait in this video, yet it showed up in my recommendations.
@@corporatestatusbrah why is clickbait such a big deal
Unpopular opinion: If a grilled cheese has more than just cheese and bread, it isn't a grilled cheese anymore. It's just a hot sandwich.
Real talk though, a hot sandwich is simply a grilled cheese sandwich with meat(s) or vegetable(s), etc. You're just adding things to the grilled cheese. There's nothing original about that.
If I remember correctly it was classified as a melt
i think as long as everything you add is dairy, egg (like as an egg wash or in the mayo), seasoning, or grain, youve retained the original ingredients and can add whatever.
Okay, while technically true that's just being pedantic lol.
@@raahimkamaal5363 Indeed. And I've heard people on grilled cheese subreddits get really angry if you call a melt "grilled cheese" lol
I had a grilled cheese today for the first time in years so that’s an odd coincidence. Cheddar and Camembert on sourdough and cooked in butter and a bit of bacon fat. So a bit fancier than normal but still an actual grilled cheese. Yum
Camembert - love Camembert a beautiful cheese.
Nice. Cooking it in some bacon fat is a good idea :)
Honestly I was probably the one kid where grilled cheese WASN’T a regular presence. Heck it barely had one. Never much white bread in the house after a certain point. In hindsight I wish it did. Quesadillas? Yup, had plenty of those, but quesadillas don’t have the same pull or as much crunch. Completely different satisfaction
My family didn't do grilled cheese either- we did boiled cheese.
Slice of bread, butter then cheese and you put condiments on or under the cheese (vegemite, branston pickle under, ketchup or HP sauce over). We still used wholemeal bread for it too but it was such a big treat.
Missing extremely processed wheat produced, extermely fatty cheeses with very low nutrients but high in calories, i don't really know if you missed out.
@@Kavriel you’re dtm😂 two slices of bread with one slide of cheese isn’t that bad, it’s when you start making more than one and eating it daily that gets you.
@@sammie8917 habits are everything.
We didn’t do grilled cheese either, cause I hated cheese as a kid. Still do
Somebody should keep a tally of how many angry "That's not a grilled cheese, that's a melt!!!!!1!!" comments this video ends up getting
The babish version is basically Welsh rarebit which is so good
I thought the same without making a white rue
@@Mark-nh2hs Well, he did make a roux, he just added the onions first?
Butter, onions, flour in the pan, right?
Not too long ago I messed around with different grilled cheese buttering methods. My ingredients, as basic and to some unappealing were simple slices of white bread and kraft singles. Cooked each in a skillet on low-med with a lid for melting consistency.
For fats I tried butter, margarine, mayo, ghee and olive oil.
For the different taste in ingredients, I didn't notice too much difference to be picky over, that being said, I would still rank them Margarine, Olive Oil, Butter, Mayo then Ghee from worst to best. Ghee is just good.
For my different grilling methods, I started with the basic spreading fat on bread. I tried all but the olive oil, and my results were your standard nostalgic grilled cheese. Nice and golden, nothing extravagant, but good. worth noting that butter and ghee should be room temp or else they are not spreadable.
Next I tried fat in pan only. I didn't do mayo for this as it was a bit too awkward. This went a little poorly. without having any barrier, the bread just soaked up the excess fat in the pan and sogged out before grilling. I tried less fat in the pan to similar results. Aside from a little bit of excess fat, the bread toasted edge to edge beautifully, getting the perfect level of crunch even over the crust that normally doesn't happen with spreading fats. The final product still tasted delicious, just required way more fat to grill. The margarine underperformed. Butter was decent, but it definitely started getting a little too dark by the end. Olive oil held temp great and gave a good even cook, and ghee was just fantastic. Soaked in that amazing butter flavor without burning.
The last method I tried and this was the most risky to my health was double grilled. I would give the bread a super light spread, cook it super blond, let it rest for a moment while I quickly wipe out the skillet, then toss some fat in the pan and finish cooking. This was the best of both worlds. It had an absolutely gorgeous crunch, edge to edge golden crispy grilled bread. It didn't sog out because the initial grill prevented excess fat from the pan fry to get soaked up. The result was an incredibly tasty, gorgeous fat filled masterpiece. Weirdly enough I think it took less fat overall than the pan only method, definitely more than the traditional spread. For this Ghee once again shined strong. I paired mayo with olive oil and it was also pretty good. Butter was solid and margarine existed. Is this method worth it? probably not. It was damn good tho.
Damnn I wanna try a double rill now
You should try putting really thin slivers of butter inside the bread with the cheese, or buttering the inside of the bread, just cook as normal. It’s entirely unhealthy but it guarantees a cheese pull regardless of how much cheese you use (:
Forget olive oil. Duck fat
@@paulwagner688 Smoke it and ascend to peak Joshua Weissman
I like to use my leftover bacon fat when making grilled cheese!
You missed out on Alton Brown's grilled grilled cheese. He literally grilled the cheese and poured it on the grilled bread. It was perfection.
Wagu?? Buffalo chicken??? Well I never!
A grilled cheese consists of only these following items. Cheese. Bread with spread (usually butter). This entire subreddit consist of "melts". Almost every "grilled cheese" sandwich i see on here has other items added to it. The fact that this subreddit is called "grilledcheese" is nothing short of utter blasphemy. Let me start out by saying I have nothing against melts, I just hate their association with sandwiches that are not grilled cheeses. Adding cheese to your tuna sandwich? It's called a Tuna melt. Totally different. Want to add bacon and some pretentious bread crumbs with spinach? I don't know what the hell you'd call that but it's not a grilled cheese. I would be more than willing to wager I've eaten more grilled cheeses in my 21 years than any of you had in your entire lives. I have one almost everyday and sometimes more than just one sandwich. Want to personalize your grilled cheese? Use a mix of different cheeses or use sourdough or french bread. But if you want to add some pulled pork and take a picture of it, make your own subreddit entitled "melts" because that is not a fucking grilled cheese. I'm not a religious man nor am I anything close to a culinary expert. But as a bland white mid-western male I am honestly the most passionate person when it comes to grilled cheese and mac & cheese. All of you foodies stay the hell away from our grilled cheeses and stop associating your sandwich melts with them. Yet again, it is utter blasphemy and it rocks me to the core of my pale being. Shit, I stopped lurking after 3 years and made this account for the sole purpose of posting this. I've seen post after post of peoples "grilled cheeses" all over reddit and it's been driving me insane. The moment i saw this subreddit this morning I finally snapped. Hell, I may even start my own subreddit just because I know this one exists now.
You god damn heretics. Respect the grilled cheese and stop changing it into whatever you like and love it for it what it is. Or make your damn melt sandwich and call it for what it is. A melt.
Scrolled down looking for this. You are doing God's work keeping the classics alive.
well, you beat me to it!
There has already been an answer to the debate:
A grilled cheese must only have cheese in it. Anything other than cheese would turn it into a melt.
Also, still waiting for the Arby’s Beef & Cheddar versus between Josh Weissman, Guga/SVE, Sam the Cooking Guy, and Matty Matheson.
Gotcha, so these are all melts because they have bread in them, too. /j
I half agree but then it turns into the Mexican thing where every single variation you do on anything gives it a new name so it's near impossible to talk about getting a taco without some annoying kid telling you how "that's not a taco because it has x in it and instead it should be a Madre Teresa de Calcuta con queso" or some shit like that
@@wsDiA_vd I never noticed this until I realized the difference between a taco dorado and a flauta is that its rolled and wow ur absolutely right
@@wsDiA_vd Well not so much. In the US, it's just a few categories for this. Only cheese = grilled cheese. Add anything else and it's a melt. Chicken melt, steak melt, pepperoni melt, whatever you put in there. If the sandwich is pressed and grilled it's a panini, doesn't matter if it's only cheese or it has other things - or even if it doesn't have cheese.
Bacon grilled cheese bruv
Babish basically made Welsh Rarebit. Why he called it “inside out grilled cheese” is beyond me.
He didn't basically make Welsh Rarebit, he made Welsh Rarebit.
Because it was something that just came to him, not knowing it was already a well-known thing? ......
Because Chef John made an inside out grilled cheese where cheese is both on the inside and outside of the bread. It's the OG viral grilled cheese.
I mean...if you go watch Babish's video he refers to it as that.
a chesse and Welsh rarebit hybrid
i have never been this early
Grilled cheese is just cheese and bread with butter. The moment you put meat in there, it’s a grilled sandwich, not a grilled cheese.
A quesedilla is a grilled cheese. Fight me, pedants.
Can you test some air fryer recipes please?
0:47 I laughed so hard! How can a chef of his status not make a simple grilled cheese?
Very bad production. He was just thrown into a situation and told to make a sandwich but was screwed from the start with the type of cheese his crew grabbed.
@@The_Chef2511 That and he cut the bread too thick. He shouldn’t have posted it.
He's just an advert really these days, like his old mentor
that inside out grilled cheese looks like it should be in the goofy movie
It's a Food Wishes recipe that was later modified by Chlebowski who wanted to honor chef John and Babish who might have been out to redeem a failed Welsh rarebit experiment.
I believe the team at Mythical Kitchen tested the best way to make a traditional grilled cheese and I would have loved to see you test it
Guga is not a chef. Only recipe of his you should follow is a straight up steak.
Cheese should be the only inner component to a grilled CHEESE sandwich. The other two are cheats but I will try.
There's a word for sandwiches that have things other than cheese.
Melt - Definition: A type of sandwich consisting of bread, some sort of filling, and a layer of cheese, sometimes grated. The sandwich is then grilled or fried until the cheese is melted.
just watching this video is making my stomach hurt idk how you survived making it
A grilled cheese is a grilled cheese. So only Kenji's reciped counted for that. The other recipes are melts or whatever :)
None of them count if that's the definition you use. They were not grilled, they were fried. And also since you don't just put a block of cheese in your frying pan, they were "fried sandwiches", not "fried cheeses". Though if you want the word cheese in there you can call it a "fried cheese sandwich".
@@Gamesaucer Alton Brown's grilled cheese recipe is the only true grilled cheese I have seen
@@Gamesaucer when was the last time you put some sauce on your game? You sound so pedantic that if you're not already a British celibate from the 1920s you will become one soon, voluntarily or not. You know what was meant but still had to jerk yourself off proving them "wrong".
I'd MUCH rather clean that cheese off the wire rack than my cast iron, plus it doesn't let the cheese pool and make the bottom bread soggy.
Awesome as always David! Gonna stick around for the “putting things in grilled cheese makes it a melt” arguing which is inevitable.
Wait...is this a first win for Kenji?! Like, in my own opinion...Guga lost because it was a steak sandwich and not a grilled cheese...all the hype for the basics man! Heck yeah!
That ‘English cheddar’ is Welsh cheddar!
When David started putting together the fresh herbs chicken I got confused AF lol thought I accidentally skipped to a different video
You used too much citrate. That's why Guga's was off tasting. Sodium citrate is like MSG: a little goes a long way but it's easier to overdo it.
That said I find it funny Kenji kicked Disney in the nuts with a basic grilled cheese. I have issues with Disney and like to see their recipes brought down a peg.
A grilled cheese only has cheese in it, everything else is a melt, imo.
I was kinda looking forward to seeing you put together a sandwich of your own, using your favorite components of the other sandwiches...
The English cheese is not English!! It's from Snowdonia witch is in Wales so it's technically Welsh. You need good old Cheddar Gorge cheese or just mature Cheddar from Tescos 🏴 🏴 love the videos!
There is no Tesco in the US for him to go get mature cheddar from. ;)
David’s unintentional innuendo’s are too funny…
Is it toooo much...NOPE 🇬🇧
Love the video. However, I feel as if a better Babish grilled cheese to try would be the Regular Show grilled cheese he recreated! Oh, so simple, but Babish proved that a lot can go into even a seemingly simple dish.
agreed!
If my mouth is craving a grilled cheese... Sweetheart, she's getting some basic ass bread and some basic ass sliced cheese. But if those cooks want to make one of theirs for me, I will happily enjoy them :) Thanks David
why do you do this to yourself?? I mean, thank you for trying all these recipes but please take care of yourself!
Snowdonia Cheese is from Wales, don't blame us English people for their smelly cheese! We have better cheese in England.
Except for Stinking Bishop which is a English cheese I think lol.
"They're all kinda battling for who's gonna dominate your mouth."
*>:)*
I love the concept of the first recipe being a completely reasonable but amazing version!! Honestly that’s the one we’re most likely to replicate if presented the way you did
Good job releasing the video the minute I get a craving, again.
IMO should have included the grilled cheese from the movie Chef.
That second sandwich was basically a cheese toastie, meets Welsh rarebit
Babish’s sandwich is essentially rarebit sauce over a grilled cheese in case you want a simplified version. Also if you’re going for a English cheddar go to your deli at the grocery store and try some.
I like my grilled cheese with gouda, ham or slices of kielbasa and fresh tomatoes with garlic or onion. As for bread I just use whatever I have and would go stale otherwise. :) The disney one looks good to me but I like cream cheese so maybe thst's why.
7:25 omg me every effing time i open my mouth, i swear everything i say ends up being a sex pun lolll
You used a lot of sodium citrate there. For an entire pot of mac and cheese, I use half a teaspoon.
My favorite grilled cheese is bread (preferably Dave’s killer thin sliced but any will work!), shredded cheese (preferably Colby Jack - but whatever hard meltable cheese), frozen chopped spinach thawed, and a fat (butter or otherwise). Start with two slices of bread in the pan (if you prefer a harder bread pre toast the bread to taste in your toaster) with the fat spread on the facing down side. In a bowl (or go wild like I tend to and just kinda mix/layer on to save having to wash a bowl) mix equal parts cheese and spinach then layer on the bread amount to taste (I prefer about a 2cm height of filling. Then flip one slice of bread over the other and toast / melt on low heat to melt the filling (flipping the sandwich as needed. (Optional if you are in a rush after browning / toasting the bread pop it in the microwave for 30 seconds bursts to melt the filling). Enjoy your sandwich with whatever dip you like or plain. I like it with sugar free ketchup or a spinach artichoke dip.
It's not a grilled cheese if it has a meat....
for vegans OR DAIRY SENSITIVE PPL AS I AM i am in love with the daiya cheddar or american cheese slices for a classic grilled cheese they melt so good i cant ever tell the difference 😭❤️
their provolone is also sooo good!
I guarantee you can tell the difference
"Linger in my mouth and Taurus..." David, you made me smile. Thank you. :) I flub my words, too.
Holy shit, nice to see the Snowdonia Cheese Company across the pond! They make some cracking cheese ^_^
David, mate. Please. Every video where you say Worcester sauce... You're making it SO much harder than it needs to be. It's pronounced "wooster". The "woo" is pronounced the same as in wuss. Wusster sauce.
As someone obsessed with Kenji's grilled cheese recipe, you should look at it like a plain canvas.
You learn the basics, use American cheese for meltiness, use soft white bread, and cook it slowly- but other than that, you can add whatever you want and do it as you like it.
I think that's what Kenji aims for when he creates his recipes, teaching you the basics, and the structure of a recipe.
It's up to you to experiment with what you like best.
Add bacon, change the cheese, use mayo and not butter, or a different sauce- it's just a canvas :)
How can you make this video without including Adam Ragusea? Great video though, I will definitely take some of your tips when I make my next grilled cheese
For the butter vs mayo debate, you have to keep in mind some people are referring to margarine when they talk about butter, since it is cheaper. If comparing the cheap options, of margarine vs mayo, mayo wins. It has a good flavor and browns real nice, whereas margarine has good flavor but does not cooperate when browning. Both lose by a landslide to real butter though, it just gives superior flavor and browning.
I always find myself going back to Kenji because he’s mastered the basics, nobody is making Andrews “grilled cheese”. I’m sure it’s good but his recipes are almost always just too much
Sodium citrate is absolutely slightly acidic. It's basically salt combined with citric acid, and it works better for making silky smooth chees sauces, like for trying to get a homemade version of mac and cheese that's just as smooth as the store bought stuff. But just mixing it with shredded cheese like that isn't really going to do much. Not sure what Guga was thinking tbh.
If you wanna get the cheese to melt, put a cover over the pan and put a few drops of water into the hot pan. Make sure to do it away from the bread so it doesnt get soggy and cover right away
Aged cheese actually is lactose free, or close to it, and contains like 99% less lactose than regular milk, and in some cases the amounts are so low they are indictable.
In the ageing process the lactose is broken down. And it doesn’t need to be aged for years like say a Parmesan.
But just the normal amount is plenty, so any yellow cheese that you can slice is essentially lactose free.
As long as it’s not a white fresh cheese like say fresh mozzarella, cream cheese, ricotta. Those fresh cheeses all have plenty of lactose in them.
(Though Brie even if it’s appears like a soft white cheese, actually is a aged cheese, and is lactose free)
But this doesn’t apply to ehm American cheese-like products. There the colour or texture isn’t a indicator of anything for them.
It needs to be a cheese made like you traditionally make cheese.
After all the cheese David ate the toilet must've not been very happy lol
Butter AND mayo is the best. It seems obvious
Also, are you saying your brand of Buffalo isn't as hot so your sandwich wasn't as hot?
why was that snowdonia cheese so expensive?. we sell the exact same cheese over here in England and its like £4. $18.99 is ridiculous.
I’d go with Babish, gimme those big explosive flavors! 😋
Sodium citrate is great if you're trying to make a homemade queso dip or something, but on a grilled cheese just doesn't make a ton of sense. To work its magic it needs to get stirred into the cheese, not melted in place
I cannot stand the taste of cream cheese, the US adds a tangy sour note that tastes rotten to me. I just sub Mascarpone wherever cream cheese is listed. Same stuff without the additive.
Where is the " idiot sandwich "
U didn't include it 😂😂😂😂
It's not quite the same but the inside out grilled cheese made me think of a croquet missour. Sorry for the awful spelling
You need to try the Really Awesome Black Bean Burgers from Kenji, in my opinion its one of the best recipes in the internet. Chipotle mayo is a gamechanger.
I’m sorry how is no one talking about you opening the bag of white bread from the wrong end 😂
I love making grilled cheeses with sourdough, a layer of Mayo and mustard on the inside, a slice of pepper Jack cheese, and cooked with butter. Super simple and super tasty ☺️ I add some spinach and tomatoes after to make myself feel healthy 😂
Love how it went from a normal grilled cheese with just bread and cheese to a fucking wagyu grilled cheese
the second sandwich is very close to a croque-mademoiselle.
Davey, I've recently tested mascarpone in recipes as a substitute for cream cheese because I also hate cream cheese with a passion. I'm telling you, it's so much better because there is no tanginess. If anything, it's got a sort of milky flavour to it, but less than what you'll find in ricotta
Tbh my view on it is that once it has meat, it's a melt. Onions and a beer cheese sauce is walking the line but I'd still call it a grilled cheese.
You should have done some kimchi grilled cheese....
I’m English and didn’t even know ‘English cheddar’ was a thing that was any different from American cheddar 😂 but the best one from over here is definitely cathedral city - it’s cheap too
I'm kind of a purist when it comes to grilled cheese. Bread, cheese (various types), butter. That's good for me.
My favorite simple/classic (bit with a twist) grilled cheese is from Chef John at Food Wishes. He adds some shredded cheddar to the outside of the bread when toasting it so you basically have the melted gooey cheese on the inside but on the outside you get some nice crusty cheese. It's so good!
I now make this a lot. Thank you Chef John!
I would never use mayo to toast bread, ever. Yes, it does give a very nice toasted color, but it only is ever just on the surface, and gets soggy faster. Butter all the time
grilled cheese with muenster cheese is top tier
You should try kimchi grilled cheese too
Babish out there making Welsh rarebit
Your hate for cream cheese is annoying
Babishs looks more like a Welsh rarebit
Rarebit!:)
Such a good song during the beginning
Thanks for the video 👍