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GAS METERS, a gas tutorial on all you need to know about gas meters for trainee gas engineers.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ส.ค. 2024
- Derek introduces trainee gas engineers to gas meters, going through visual inspection, installation and sizing of gas meters.
Just passed my first lot exams and I’m still watching your videos! Great stuff! 👍
Well done good luck with the rest 👍🏻
Thank you for going to so much trouble to produce this video, I found it extremely informative and interesting. Good work!
Mate your wicked
You have been a big help
I’m going to watch them all everyday
Has done so much god bless ya
...another great video Derek, Well done and Kudos for all the hardwork you put in.
Thank you very much Derek. Very useful video, full of information. 👍😃
Thank you Derek for detailed video about gas meters.
Another fantastic video! Derek you are a legend
An excellent lecture about gas meter and safety measures related with it 👍 sir chairs
Excellent informative video thanks for taking the time to make it 👍👍👍
Very informative
Good way of presentation
Covered range of gas meters to be found regularly
Absolutlety brilliant mate ... doing my ACS on 7t hDecember .. never even heard of diversity calculation !!!
Keep thees vids coming
Good luck with your ACS let me know how you go on 👍🏻
Top training, well done sir.
Brilliant video Derek. Thanks mate 😁
Thank you very much ,
Always enjoy and very informative your videos..
Brilliant video derek always 5/5 👍
Brilliant and informal as always
Absolutely banging 👍well done !
Really clear and instructive video.
Brilliant video thanks/ keep them coming
Another brilliant lesson
Thanks Derek great video 🙏🙏🙏
brilliant video again👍👍
Great video, well done.
Hi Derek, I completely agree with your comment that gas meters shouldn't be installed under kitchen sinks. However, I raised this issue with Gas Safe following an incident, and they confirmed that no regulations explicitly prohibit the installation of gas meters in that location. They stated that a gas meter should not be placed under a kitchen sink only if the environment is proven to be damp and mouldy. I can email Gas Safe's response to you if you'd like, but I fully agree with your perspective.
@@fjrxj1134 damp and mouldy did they not mean if food or corrosive chemicals are stored ?
Another real good video especially the area you talked about the surface mounted meter box being damaged (At Risk under IGEM/G11) and earth bonding. Thanks Derek. Trainee at tomkat gas training center..
Many thanks for sharing these videos
"Now this one is a G4 gas meter" Shows picture of a U6 (hint it even says U6 on the meter itself). U6 meters can read in either cuft or m3.
Amazing video . Thanks
Very informative video👍
Great!! Thanks Derek.
Great videos .Thanks
Top notch as usual
I have seen meters under a kitchen sink a few times, in fact I had corgi inspection with one under sink.
Thank you for everything
Very help full video
Great video informative
Always good Teaching, Good for new Engineers like me. Thanks
Thanks mate much appreciated ❤
Derek your a master
going to have me acs reassements, lol booked it with them, and watching there videos, crazy
work with gas installation here in Brazil thank you 18/11/20 as 11:54
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So much info on meters covered brilliantly in such a short period of time.
Is lead lock only for domestic incoming water supply then? Great video Derek 👍🏻
Asian Jon. Training.
Yes mate it is
@@tomkatgastraining Thanks!
Good vid. Thank you.
Excellent 👍🌹🌹🌹
Hi derek, hopefully you have time to help clear this up for me,
Been to a flat to do a landlord check, found the newish boiler to be enclosed in an accessible stud tiled void built onto the external wall this enclosure also has an old gas meter inside, both the boiler and meter is accessible via the bathroom on the same wall as the bath/shower.. would the gas meter be in a NCS situation? And also would this installation be classed as within zone1 of the bath/shower. Im thinking because its enclosed perhaps its now not within any zone in that bathroom? Any help would be great as not come across this scenario before thanks and love the videos
Is this what you’d expect in a Met1 assessment? Great video
Pretty much yes
Very helpful
Thank you for this excellent video on gas meters if you found a gas meter already installed under a kitchen sink what procedure would you carry out please
You don’t do anything only make sure you keep food and chemicals away from the meter it is classed as not to current standards
Can I test the resistance of the equal potential bonding to get to know if this works fine? What would it be the value I should get?
Thank you for that
thank you so much
Corrosive atmosphere? Recently had a meter installed in the cellar of an old terraced property, a common enough type of installation you come across all the time. I was there to do a landlords inspection, I found a gas leak coming from the gas meter case where condensate water had eaton through it. This cellar was dripping with condensation all the time according to the tenant, contacted the gas supplier who just came out and replaced the meter in the same location.
Super Video Derek. Question . Regards the meter ECV what's AR in none emergency situation ? then ID in emergency situation
Thanks for the graft doing these videos tons of useful info on this one.
Get called to install a gas appliance and you can’t get at the ECV then AR get called to a gas escape and can’t get at the ECV then ID
@@tomkatgastraining much appreciated
Very clear and informative! So let's say an energy company, such as British gas, wanted to install a smart gas meter in a residence and asked you to provide an update for the service pipe energy value, SPEV, for the residence beforehand: (a) Would you go through this same procedure using the diversity chart? (b) What sort of documentation/form would an energy company expect from you as a gas safe engineer?
thanks for the amazing content. do you offer courses on installs of boilers at all?
We do the ACS mlp and reassessments water regs and g3 unvented. Coming soon we are doing plumbing and air sources heat pumps.
Hello mr Darek I appreciate all ur help
Can you please do vedeo for legislation and combustion pleeaaaaaase thank you very much
👍👍👍👍👍Well done and thanks
Nice video, thanks. Who owns or is responsible for the meter box?
It might be useful for newbies to know who owns what on the gas meter too.
The meter is owned by the gas suppliers and the meter box is the responsibility of the house owner so if the ECV, anaconda, regulator or meter needs replaced then the supplier picks up the bill but the box is the house owner’s problem
@@tomkatgastraining Kinda, You're correct in that the supplier is responsible for the gas meter, but it is owned by a Meter Asset Manager (National Grid Metering, SGN Metering and SMS are 3 examples) - otherwise you'd be looking at a meter change with every supplier change - which isn't feasible. The regulator and anaconda (they are a single assembly) are usually owned by the MAM as well. The service pipe and ECV are owned by the Gas Distribution Network (either Cadent, SGN, Wales & West Utilities, Northern Gas Networks or one of the plethora of IGTs) and the meter box is owned by the house owner.
I work for a smart metering company, the door and lock are the responsibility of the homeowner/landlord the easy bit.
It gets tricky when the bracket is damaged, my company policy is we change the bracket, which I think is wrong however the regs state no operative shall drill a meter box other than the approved entry points.
Because if it’s a inset meter box the gas supplier would need to remove the main service pipe to fit a new rear box.
So should it be the supplier who repairs the box and not the meter operative??
Good video. How would you identify a medium pressure meter and regular? I've only seen low pressure.
The little green leaver is only on medium pressure and there will be the MIV on most of them
Hello, I'm doing the interior architecture designs and basically asking for help. I'm listening to your video. So an electrical consumer unit can be as close as 150mm? If the meter is in a wall cabinet with a removable back. Would this cause issues with obstruction and delaying access to the emergency shut off valve? Thanks Aaron
Is that sweated copper on the outlet side of the meter? It’s not allowed in the US.
Mine was installed under the sink cabinet where I put the washing stuff
Nice one
Thank you, Nikola Ditsov
The first meter clearly states on the front U6
Can you show us how to fiddle the meter 😲✌
seems to be some debate about which side of the spigot gets sealed up with flue jointing compound. some say to seal the meter cupboard side, some say to seal the property side, and others say both. what's your take on it?
The meter cupboard side should always be sealed
Hi Derek
Something not mentioned is shear bolts and washers.
It’s my understanding you have to disconnect and remove a meter in order to solder new pipework in for example to a new appliance.
Do these get in the way how are they removed? Do they need to be replaced afterwards?
Thanks!
I think if you watch the video again I mentioned shear bolts and why they are needed. When removing the meter which I didn’t go through for obvious reasons the regulator and meter union don’t need to be removed. Thanks for watching cheers
Oops. You did indeed it’s at 9:45. Thanks!
@@1Monaghan 🤣🤣🤣👍🏻
The gas tightness test with appliances connected, is there a time period allowance for the permissible drop to stabilize.
That’s what the temperature stabilisation period is for 👍🏻
I work for a utility company that is planning to replace the gas supply to a block of flats, the plan is to abandon the old internal riser and replace it with an external steel riser which will branch off into each flat.
The planned location for the new ECVs is in the kitchen cupboards under the sink which would obviously mean that the meter would also have to be relocated into the same cupboard.
Am I understanding you correctly that this is not allowed?
If you read the British standards it tells you the locations not to use and they class under the sink as I place not to use because of cleaning chemicals. In this situation it would be better to install the meters at ground level in meter boxes and put AECV into the flat. I have never come across a supply who would put the meter in that location but there’s always a first time
@@tomkatgastraining Used to fit gas meters for MacAlpines/British gas and Enterprise/National grid and one of the most common internal siting up in West Yorkshire is in the cupboard under the sink lol
Hi! I have a gas meter in my room in a cupboard and it kinda smells, is it detrimental to your health to smell gas? What are the risks? It's not a big leak since I had naked flames around that spot and nothing happened, but I can still smell it pretty bad in the cupboard and around it. Thank you
I hope your still alive.
@@egzonmorina4162 yeah, I moved out of there recently, thanks! :)) I had someone come and take a look and they said it actually was a leak, but not enough to blow up, he tightened something up and the smell stopped.
Hi the g10 bkt, is that acceptable?, I’m currently on a new install with the same shelf type bkt, but the meter can still move on that?, transporter hasn’t attached it to the box and bg fitted the meter and they won’t attach it in place either as they won’t perforate the box🙄, the usual nonsense going on, any info appreciated cheers
Yes the bracket is acceptable and the only bracket I know of for u16 or g10 there is also the meter box of course
@@tomkatgastraining cheers bud, I’ll get it affixed then and be happy with that for connection, much appreciated!
I am a master E1 license electrician and have been doing this since 2006. I have never bonded a gas meter simply because I never ran into it. I have no idea how to bond a gas meter properly LOL. I appreciate your video but it really didn't show me or tell me how to do it. There is not one video out on the internet that shows from beginning to end the process of having to bond a gas meter to the grounding electrode conductor from start to finish. I'm talking about the size of the clamps the size of the grounding wire that metallic label the yellow striped with green copper conductor. Maybe you can be the first to make this video
Thanks for your comment and I am guessing you are from USA which I guess has different laws to us in England so me doing a video about it probably won’t help you.
@@tomkatgastraining 😫
@@theseattlegreen1871I don't understand what's so complicated. He did give the gauge of wire required, just didn't say it in freedom units, he used metric (mm²). The clamp would obviously be a pipe bonding clamp for steel/iron pipe, same as one would use for water pipes. The funky colors are a weird European thing, can't help you there 🤷♂️
Quick question I’m thinking of going from normal gas meter to a pay as you go……. Is the digital display battery powered or hard wired to mains?
Battery
Can the pipework to the meter be copper on the feed and supply, doing away with a flex hose?
Yes it can
I'm assuming that the bonding qualification is PEB1? Will this course just allow me to move, alter or extend not install if the bonding is missing?
I believe it allows gas engineers to install but we don’t run this course so not 100%
Hi, thanks for the vid. Who could tenants direct queries about gas meters to? I’ve used expanding foam to seal the hole where the green/yellow wire goes through the wall and I want to know if it’s now a risk
Always your landlord first
@@tomkatgastraining Thank you. Will ask first thing Monday. Much appreciated:)
What training book is the best? Do any do an A4 format like the old city books? Miss them
They all give the same information but use the one from your training provider as the exams are taken from it
Hi can I install a boiler above a gas meter... a meter apart?
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Just done my gas meter assessment 🎉🎉 what paperwork is required after the exchange and purge please??? Only doing an ACS write up😅😅
Got told off my lecturer we can now keep existing lead and join on
Very interesting I would never tell my trainees that as the lead pipe might not be able to give you the correct amount of gas. Technically yes you could still join copper to lead for gas but not water but why would you.
@@tomkatgastraining How do you join copper to lead then if leadloc is not allowed?
Do the Gas inlet and out let pipes to the meter need rubber rings? I see one by the meter but don't know if they belong to either one of the pipes? Or do they not belong on a meter?
The video is filmed in a gas training centre so no need to worry but yes the meter needs rubber rings as you put it
@@tomkatgastraining cheers, I won't throw it out just incase it's needed when the plumber gets here
What's permissible pressure drop on G470 671 gas meter with 22mm existing pipework and boiler please.
what about exsisting meters? 80% i go to are under kitchen sink or in utility with food storage
NCS then
Are these all different from what's used in the United States? I rent my home. No training at all. But I've never seen any of these type meters
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With the rise in gas prices is it possible to fit lpg direct to gas meter instead of from supplier? I want to cap their input and replace with lpg instead... Any advice?
Noooooooooooooo you will need a gas engineer with lpg qualifications to change all the appliances over if they can be and install a new system of gas supply
@@tomkatgastraining thanx for that.... I've just had notification gas and electric are going up £400 average.....
I have read meters already and just want to submit the readings so that I can have my bill.
When the music started at 2:47, i thought it was the start of Crossroads
Thanks for this very interesting, can you tell me the standard text books for gas installation?
We use the logic training manual but there are lots of books out there
@@tomkatgastraining Thanks!
My mother's gas meter has just been fitted with a new regulator by Cadent gas after the boiler engineer issued a danger do not use certificate as he had recorded low pressure on the system. The gas meter is situated under the kitchen sink and as per your video, this is not to current standards. the gas meter has been there since at least 1980 if not before. Should the gas meter be relocated and at whose cost would this be?
No the gas meter won’t be relocated but chemicals should not be stored with the gas meter
Do you do the EUSR course derek
Hi sir
Please make a one video normal gas tight ness test and clear explain why is permitted drops low pressure meter thanks
Coming very soon
Thanks Derek, I've My Acs in next 6 weeks. I'm more confident in the practical bit, but more nervous about the theory and paper questions. Apart from reading a books, what's your advice regarding the theory? Thanks
Watch my videos on ACS revision 😜
@@tomkatgastraininglol, No doubt about that ha,
English being my Third language makes it difficult for me at the theory bit, slow reader. Any advice on that please? 🫣
@@miransalih1079 reading your training manual and remembering where the different sections are will help you reference the questions quickly
@@tomkatgastraining thanks for advice, but when you said training Manual you meant the books? And I'm working on the sections.
@@miransalih1079 yes 👍🏻
Can a Gas engineer relocate the gas meter or do i have to call the provider ?
Love your videos, but the first meter say u6 and you call it and g4 any reason for that?
Because it’s a g4 meter the u 6 on the meter is not the type. We call a u6 meter the one that is in ft3 and a g4 in m3 and this meter is in m3
Come across thousands over the years under kitchen sinks common as muck
Worked on the supply side for years, same here. We occasionally came across medium pressure to the house with the meter under the sink which was corroded and leaking. These would invariably break off filling the property with gas and rust.
So you can't have a meter in a food larder? Where I live the whole estate has them in the kitchen later? What is this classed as as its a new 9ne 9n me
NTS or AR if it is showing signs of corrosion or ID if leaking gas