We Just Got A Brand New 2021 Ski-Doo Renegade X-RS 850 E-TEC!
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- We just had a brand new 2021 Renegade X-RS dropped off at our front door featuring the new RAS X and rMotion X suspension, Rotax 850 E-TEC engine, new 7.2-inch wide digital display and new Pilot X skis. Watch as Luke gives a first look at this sled and provides a full overview, sharing some opinions and details after getting a chance to ride it last month in Montana.
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Thanks for getting this review out right away. You work is truly appreciated!
I prefer this style impromptu review to your more heavily produced ones. Especially for you tube, this is where people come from your personal opinions, not a rehash of the specs and manufacturer jargon. Thanks Luke, I love your guys channel!
Thank you!
I rode a 201/2 dealer demo while riding my buddy was on his poo . Needless to say we switched off sleds , and honestly I see very little difference between my 20 XRS and the new one . The inside ski still came up in the corners . Bottom line if you aren’t in the proper position hammering through the corners the inside ski will come up . No doubt I love skidoo the faster you go the better they ride . After riding the poo I have to be honest the front end is the flattest and calmest I’ve ever ridden . I have been riding new skidoo’s since 2014 2018 2020 . So I snow checked a new vr1 850 and see how it goes . I’m keeping my 20xrs that I love .
I hear ya I ride skidoo also a mxz etec now. But Polaris has done something nice with their handling and I love the flat foot and seating position of them also may give one a try eventually. Looking at the Indy XCr’s. But I’ll keep my mxz also anyways doesn’t hurt to have a back up sled
I hope this suspension will become available on all models for the following season. As for the gauge, speed, RPM, fuel, temp and warmers are enough for me. I don’t want to take phone calls when I’m out, it’s my time! Great job Luke!
I live in Florida and I'm watching this. The reason.....I saw the wildlife officers on North woods law riding them. Great video. I used to ride as a kid when I lived in upstate NY. That was 40 years ago. These sleds have come a long way. Love it.
Good walk around, thanks. Indeed, I typically only ride with the temp gauge showing. I can pretty much guess how fast I'm going and I can hear the rpm's, so to me, the most important reading is the temp.
Great info , good job pointing out all the pos and neg and good buy winter 🥶
Thats good to hear regarding the RASX and new skis , when there's that much of a difference its a big deal. Sounds like good time!
Is Snowtrax getting the 900T XRS in that color combo aswell? Would luv to see a walk around of that sled. Keep up the good work fellas. Luv watching these videos.
Great video, the more info the better! I had a chance to ride this back to back against Polaris Pro CC and this sled soaks the big bumps up way better. I could ride it faster than the Polaris in the tight twisty trails as well. People should not be messing with the gage while ridding on the trail!
It wasn't long, that's why we watch, to get all the information. Great video.
Best and most detailed, honest reviews I've seen.
Love the color and am intrigued to try the new suspension.. Trading in 19 and ording 2 of those bad boys in the same color for me and the wife
Don't apologize for talking too long about features! That's what we want! Thank you for the detail. I've sping ordered this XRS in a 900T with the gauge, 1.5 Ice Ripper, tunnel quick Adjust, but no TX skis. It will be the first sled I've owned. Can't wait! I don't have must seat time on older G4 so I won't be able to compare to older rMotion or RAS3 but so happy I'll have the newest Doo tech!
Jon Labbe Agree the more the better. I want reviews not an overview. We all know the basics we want in depth detailed reviews. Great job. Thanks!
Thanks for the feedback!
Bought this sled , first time skidoo rider!
Aloha for the video!
Thank you for the review!!
I really like those walkaround and I think the same as you Luke for the gage to much stuff for nothing. I just buy my 2021 Renegade X 850 with the standard gage and no quick ajust because with a good set up in the begining you dont have to change it
It will be interesting to see if the 850 and 900T will have the same significant difference in handling, from what I have experienced, the 900T with extra weight up front was more planted and was not near as twitchy and uneasy. Now that the 850 is planted in corners, will the 900T be much different? My wife has a new one coming for next year, cant wait to compare my 20!
I adjust my xrs all the time depending on trails. Quick adjust are great.
Great walk-around Luke, really appreciate your time and opinion👍
Picking up this exact model in October. Nextgen in webb lake , Wisconsin.
Aloha from maui!!!
the gauge packages are getting to complex and takes away from the snowmobile experience... keep it simple with GPS and forget the rest... harley davidson has the same gauge complexities with their systems as well, and theirs sucks too... when it comes down to it, it's just a damn snowmobile....
Brian Langhorst Thank you! No fancy gauges. I ride to get away from technology.
When are you going to come out and say it. The quirky handling is from too much forward weight bias. Ski Doo won't admit it and they keep trying to hide it with gimmicks. They want everyone to believe you have to get farther forward when too much weight is already too far in front of the sleds balance point.
Daniel and keith....ur correct for shorter riders....but if ur 6 ft or over the rider forward is way better .....ride quality is way better...
thats why its an option, you can still get the simple gauges and save a grand
@@danielholombo7593 no that’s just from lousy Polaris axis fanboys not understanding that a different sled is going to handle differently. If it’s such a bad idea why did Polaris copy it with the matrix? If it’s so bad why does ski doo sell more sleds than any other oem every single year? Your argument lacks merit.
Great walk around! I enjoy all the little details and explanations you give, very helpful. I'm going to be looking at this and the new Matrix VR1 ( 650 and 850) I currently own a 2016 Cat 8000 but I'm digging these New gauges from Doo and Poo:-) Hopefully 2022 Cat brings out a new Chassis and gauge cluster.
Awesome!!
I have a Dayton Temp gauge / clock on both of my sleds.. made for motorcycles I have the unit with screen on the handlebars..
I am going to place an order in the spring of 2021 for a renegade xrs 900t. Wish i had done it sooner
Love that sled...thx for the in depth review. Wasn't too long, lot of great pointers there.
Thanks for commenting!!!
Got to ride one this winter best handling sled I have ever ridden 👌🏻👌🏻
Keith Peterson. I see ur name alot on here....if u hate skidoo watch a video on one that u like
Keith Peterson u sound like a dink
We have 8.5 months to kill, make the reviews longer 😂
Mark K ya do some old triple triple reviews
or actually ride them hahah
Can't wait to see how it stacks up against the new Matryx. I like the Polaris gauge better by far.
Matryx is available in 850 and 650 only .. I want to race cross country which is limited to 600 CC's so leaning towards skidoo ..
Robert Bartholomew polaris gauge is far better in every way. Ski doo needs to have a better gauge
If you want to race get a 600 XCR. Matrix suspension is to soft to race anyway. Or just get a race sled. Check out The Alaska Guy vids. He got an XCR and had to revalve shocks to race.
What if you used your right hand to use the knob for the gauge cluster, most people are right handed and that's the more dominant hand to use to fine tune things, I've had issues in the past using a cross side movement with knobs, this seems ideal to me as the natural movement that your arm wants to make when it's crossing over is more angled, would seem to me it would be easier as you're riding to use then your left. that said you're also taking your thumb off the throttle so you're slowing down and might as well wait till you stop to do it 🤷♂️
No heated massage seat? I'm out. Man...these things are getting fancy! Loved the review gents!
LOL Thank you!!
Hey Luke, you guys mind doing a video on how to setup the gauge and how to switch , reset trip gauge, my buddy got his ‘21 and we tried for over 1/2 hour to figure out how to just get trip odometer set and reset. And we still can’t figure it out.
A setup video on the 7.8 gauge
Like which buttons you press on the dial pad etc etc .
Great vid Btw.
Thanks for the review, I have the 2019 Renegade XRS bought new non current in the fall and it's been the best sled I've owned or ridden. My only complaint on the sled is the push in the corners in some conditions, so hopefully the new adjustment can help with that. I will disagree with you on one point, I find the handling very predictable and can run one handed in most conditions, although I put 3000km's on it so maybe I got used to it, who knows. (Other non handling complaints would be oil consumption and lack of standard storage)
Got the same sled. Try the more aggressive carbide brp offers. Completely changes everything.
Another great walk around.. I like your take on the gauges when you bring up the issue with not being able to lock the engine temp on the screen. My opinion is most people typically use MPH, TACHOMETER & ENGINE TEMP as their main 3 read outs. One more issue to bring up is you guys seem to have influence on the manufacturers, why doesn’t anyone complain about how BRP continues to reduce their fuel tank capacity? Now we’re down to 9.5 gals. Do they really need to sell that many more jerry cans for their linQ system. 🥴
Just to clarify. There IS a temp readout on the main screen at the top on the left hand side. But its a bar graph style, not an actual numerical readout, which is what I think most of us prefer.
@@pavmentsurfer13 Hey Luke, Yes I fully understood that.. it only has the bar graph and not the actual numeric number you can pin to the right or left of the gauge. But like in the past the higher end models from SkiDoo has always had the numeric readout with the gauge package that actually said 110 degrees and not just 3 dots.. With a XRS package you’d expect a numeric readout with actual temp instead of guessing what 3 or 4 bars actually mean for how hot your sled is getting. No comment on the slowly shrinking fuel capacity since the XS chassis? 😊
I think if you want to run a phone/map integration then the new gauge is worth it - Its like apple or android car play on a vehicle. If you don't like tech or plugging a phone in, a rider wouldn't be able to appreciate that new gauge. Personally I ride with my iphone and map on every ride so love the new gauge - I see what you're saying about the knob angle - Polaris is using a touch screen on their new larger screen so that may be more preferred for more riders not mapping every ride.
Did you get a chance to use the gps? Is it turn by turn? How would you compare it to the new polaris 7s?
i want this sled with no gauge of adjustment pkg junk and add a 1.75 track and RS tall spindles.
How is the steering feel, does it steer easy or hard compared to other sleds?
You needed a stick pointer for the suspension talk ..
Thats actually a great idea. Ill definitely consider that next time. Thanks.
Great review and glad to hear they have the front end sorted out, I never trusted my 2020 MXZ XRS, so Ive traded it and am getting a 2021. Fully agree on the gauge too, in fact I've gone with the old style one.
Hows the off trail balance with the renegade? Is it like 65 percent trail or whats its balance. You guys have said the back country is more like 60-70 percent off trail where does this one stack up
So, about next year will it be better, I have high hopes for this.
I know this windshield is discontinued, but do you have a part number for it?
Why don't they offer that shock start and a pull cord in the trail sleds ? I suppose a small battery would be good for gauges and batteries..
Good idea
great review
Good luck with that screen 10 years from now!
Why what abt it
But have they fixed the brake caliber rattle yet?
Wonder how the 900T would perform with these upgrades
When is the review on the 2021 riot coming getting anxious
I have always had a love/hate relationship when it comes to these guys, but this is a good review. I must correct Luke on the spindle. They shaved it down to remove weight not a width issue. Anyway it's a good review, I have ridden it myself. I did push myself over my riding limit to see it's capabilities and if it would make me a better rider and it did. As for the gauge I have been waiting for, I agree with everything he said. It does look nice but Poo's is way better and you can change things on the screen while riding because they put the jog dial on the bars where they belong (the BRP Spyder has it on the bar as well). Not sure why it was stated you need a communicator on your helmet, I don't see how you could make a call or listen to music on the Polaris with out one as well. Not happy with the comment at 17:07 about the front end getting over worked, thats nit picking here. We are not in a race, thats not what the sports is about and we need to keep that in mind.
What hieght is that windshield?
Maybe its just me but riding and being in the woods i love the quiet and not looking at phone,anyoneni need to talk to i can wait till a stop
Yes. 100%
Personally to me it’s the options. I love being out there riding and disconnecting from everything but I also would like the ability to sit on my sled in a parking lot or the off season and screw around with some things because why not. You’re right you don’t NEED it but it’s nice to have the option.
Isn't that second temp u were seeing Belt Temp?
How's that gauge work when it's -20 f. ?
Notice the hood does not appear to be installed correctly, missed the front tap on the Mag side... nice overview. Understand this is an old review, they even can be wider now with the spacers.
2:40 “wheelie too much” lol
AlloutATVing Trench and wheelie.
I find the Gen 4 is extremely responsive to your body position on the sled.If you sit still and don't move on the sled it's a totally different machine . I personally like how responsive it is to the riders movements. Good review.
SnowTrax has a particular bias. Notice the comment about how you "need both hands on the bars while cruising"? Also using words like "nervous" "twitchy" and "heavy steering". Well, that's how I set up my sleds anyways. Confidence inspiring to me is knowing the sled is going to turn when I turn the bars; Respond quickly when I lean a certain way or position my feet differently. Ski Doo's will let you dig your own grave if you are not paying attention or lackadaisically trying to ride quick. It demands attention and rewards you with active riding. You hear stories about Doo's biting you at the limit... Yeah, It's like driving an old car with no traction control and then going to a new one with a dozen electronic nannies to save you from yourself. That's how I view Polaris these days. Confidence inspiring only because it's protecting you from yourself. They are a bit numb in comparison.
@@CDX7 Its not a bias. Its our observations and opinions after riding all of them back to back, day in and day out, season after season. Obviously our opinions cant be EXACTLY the same as EVERYONE elses. There will always be people who disagree. Ive always said, if you like the way a skidoo handles, your not wrong. You just have a difference preference that we do. But youll never convince me that words like "nervous and twitchy" arent accurate about a G4 skidoo. Not until 2021 when those words do NOT fit any more. This new front end is so stable and predictable, confidence inspiring. I love it.
Luke Lester Thanks for the response, big fan of the show for many years. Bias carries a lot of negative connotations around these topics but not my intent. Preference, perhaps? The point remains that I intentionally set up my Axys to ride like a G4 by absolutely planting the front skis and using aggressive carbides. It’s nervous and twitchy, but it corners on rails and feels more raw, alive, and fun. SnowTrax preferences against this, that’s fine, but one can infer what type of riding you guys prefer when the Axys gets so much praise for the handling. Out of the box they are floaty and numb to me and don’t inspire confidence. Just different opinions. Curious to try this new model.
@@pavmentsurfer13 well stated
@@CDX7 Very well said. I feel the same way when I ride my gen 4.
The gauge was cool until Polaris raised the bar when they released they new one on the 2021. Doo's gauge has a long way to go now.
i wish it was touch screen and didn't need the dials on the hood.
GPS only works with phone plugged in also I heard?
@@kwmiked GPS works from your phone. There is no stand-alone gps like the Polaris gauge has.
@@drew3406 that gauge is dated already lol
This is the same system they use for their spyders. I suspect they were designed for that first and retrofitted to the ski doo.
Come to northern mb we'll show u what's up
Noticed when you come around front at about the 6:00 mark to talk about RAS X the hood isn’t latched down on the left. Easy to happen during hood reinstall if not looking for it.
Mit Lei I explained it poorly but not in the slot is what I meant. I’ve had Gen 4 hoods off a lot.
This sled is a pre-production prototype. They are assembled one at a time by hand. That likely just got missed. But its an easy fix. good eye though.
When y’all are done can you send it to me
You guys ever review the base models? Aka the adrenaline model? I see more of them on the trail than I do the xrs or x models.
We do but the models the OEMs send us tend to be fully loaded. I swear I'm not complaining or anything. Just answering your Q...Totally get where you're coming from though...
I don't know if you'll think this a good thing, or not, but I actually liked this style vid better than your more polished/edited content. Well done.
Its a good thing for sure. We will always do both. The fully edited test rides are meant for broadcasting on network TV. These "walk around" videos are for youtube only.
Love my 2012, forget that gauge cluster.
He's not gonna fall for the banana in the tailpipe!
Can't imagine adjusting the gauge doing anything over like 30 mph.
I went to the " first peek" in NH to gain some info on why I wanted to spent and additional $750+ for the upgraded screen. At this time I still use my Garmin 650T GPS . This new screen will help do away w that. BRP is coming out w an app this fall that will be like the Polaris ride command app . But up here in the NE we have extremely limited to no cell coverage. But in told this app will activate the GPS function of our phones and will always be able to be used in and out of cell service. ( Confused because Google Maps will continue to direct me on the road as long and I don't make any changes . I'd I make a change out of cell service Google will not be able to redirect me???) So I'm told the app will BT to the sled and you will be able to see the map on the right side of the screen. We will be able to look for gas , food and such in and out of service from the app. Several other features as well .But I was also told they are looking to get maps together for this app. That kinda scares me, thinking they will be working on getting maps and info after they have this new screen, not before. So by this winter will we see the maps for all areas, will they be up to date, will that have the way points and such added . I tend to always fall into to areas less detailed . So will VT, NH and ME be included and will the closers of logging trails be updated? The two guys in NH do a great job doing the map programs , often folks get mad and nasty at these guys for not updating the maps. But I'd the state or club doesn't notify of changes ,they can update any changes. Also the new glove box extension can come w a clear touch screen door that you mount you phone into that has a charger and heater . How ever if you phone is in a case it may be harder to use the touch screen cover.
I'll be waiting for Skidoos next screen effort if I don't go with Polaris first.
What is going on with the 2021 x package and below steering?? Is it not like before?
David Jaques what type of steering is it?
Still have the simple gauge on my nytro. Gauges are getting to complex. Takes away from the whole experience
Even the new Polaris gage seems incredible. Why do you not like the more advanced gages? You can get all sorts of info on them, and the new Polaris will show you where your buddies you are riding with are at, has your position on gps. Seems pretty awesome. What don’t you like about them?
Trying to decide to spend the money on the new gauge or just go with the standard gauge with the new glovebox extension. Luke, what are your thoughts?
Thats a tough one. The gauge doesnt do much besides look good if you dont have your phone plugged in anyway (mapping in particular) so putting your phone in the new phone holder they have for the top of the storage bin woudl give you that anyway. But, if your going to use a headset, you wont get all those additional features. If your not going to put a headset in your helmet and your not overly concerned with GPS mapping... you simply need to decide which one you like the looks of better.
@@pavmentsurfer13 Thanks for your response. I've been riding with an Oxygen helmet the past 2 seasons, so I'm going to add a bluetooth speaker system and go with the new gauge. Thanks for all that you do for the sport!
Its all about the rider experience, and still only one clear choice.lol
My dealer told me the GPS navigation only works with your cell phone hooked up off the ski doo App?? I said for $800 option that navigation should be like a Polaris Dash, built into the gauge, sucks you can’t see engine temp in degrees on the dash, also that dash knob location looks like it would get easily broke off if you had and oh crap moment and knee or hand smashed it, I was planning on snow checking that sled but with this Virus going around my dealer is shut down, do you know if ski doo will extend the spring order due to the virus outbreak?? Great detailed informative video !!! 👍
Polaris extended their snowcheck season!!!
Lyle Schmidt thanks for the update!!
@@paulmollise1856 your welcome! Just being helpful👍
I do not believe skidoo is extending their spring order program.
Luke Lester, thanks for info Luke, I’m in Pennsylvania, calling my dealer this week to see what’s going on with ordering???
Nice sled love the skidoo yellow definitely my favorite color scheme
Prototypes will usually have wacky software. Typically not completely worked out until pilot stage.
I’m getting ready to purchase my first snowmobile. I’m looking for a two up workhorse to pull a sled with wood etc...and handles well off and on trail...not looking for riding crazy like I’ve seen in your videos just something to go explore put the gal on the back seat and go. I’ve looked at Polaris and Ski-Doo and need a little professional guidance. Suggestions anyone? Much appreciated!
Have a loot at the Titan or an Expedition.
How does the headlight compare to the Polaris VR1 Nightbade light?
It doesn’t.. 6 beam LED’s and 12 accent lights vs halegons then have to spend $390+ for a LED accessory headlight package that goes on the hood of the doo
So pretty much if u dont know how to set up susp get the adjusters on the tunnel
Or maybe the opposite. If you dont know how to adjust suspension, dont get the adjusters and get your dealer to set up yoru sled before you take it home. Then you wont be tempted to fiddle with it and mess it up.
Just go out there and send it already
Love everything except the gauges and the skis.
The new gauge missing constant temp readout is bad. I count on my temperature readout in NH low snow conditions. I'm seriously considering a Polaris for better handling. In 2018 the etec 850 didn't drink oil. The 2019 needs filled every 3rd tank of gas. Fuel economy averages 15 mpg. Sometimes I can get 17 but breaking powder I've gotten down near 10 mpg. How's the Polaris on fuel and oil?
Get the polaris! I own yamaha apex and usually get between 15 to 17 mpg. My buddy's 17 switchback uses a gallon less than i do. I just bought his sled!!
Just to clarify, it DOES have a temp read out at the top of left side of the screen... but its just a bar graph, not a numerical readout. Which I think everyone prefers. Just wanted to clarify that.
Polaris sleds will never get as good fuel /oil economy as an Etec motor, ever.
At almost 18k skidoo can keep it . Cat has the best front suspension in the business
Why bother with adjustable skis? I want that skeg all the way down all the time. Those skis get inexperienced riders in trouble.
Wow it has a windshield too !!!!
Mike Skidmore If you snowcheck a Polaris you can get any size windshield you want. Don’t think you can with SkiDoo it costs extra.
I just put that windshield on for a ride I did in northern ontario. It comes with the tiny, useless plastic bug deflector.
Skidoo probably made gauges adjustment where they are specifically to prevent people from messing with gauges while riding.. its dangerous
You wouldnt ever adjust your gauges while riding, thats not the intention with the polaris guage. The idea is that you can configure all the information you want or dont want in a way that suits you best. Maybe you want to see your trip meter in big letters all the time. or maybe you want your gas gauge front and centre... Thats what the polaris gauge gives you that this one doesnt. But I dont see why it couldnt, with a few software tweaks.
Great review Luke !
Thank you!
That screen knob looks very vulnerable. And not very intuitive. Simplify it and move that knob set up or make it button style on the side of the screen.
Nice looking sled for sure!
Really?
Adjustable handlebar riser comes stock. That will save me 190.00 bucks
Its not height adjustable. Just forward and back.
Skidoo keeps making their sleds wider and wider. So it looks like over the years I’ve been right by saying that they are too narrow
You did not demo adjustable handle bars for those of thus who have not owned a sled with it .
I find it pointless but there are other videos out on it. He's just going over new points in this video which makes 100% of sense.
Can you do a 2020 or 2021 800 class mountain sled shootouts
See what we can do!
SnowTrax TV tanks
BRING BACK THE TRIPLE
Don Olypopper they’re just built different, they are just the BEST
Don Olypopper bro why u so biased to 2 vs 3. 3sum better than 2sum bro admit it
Don Olypopper bro u just hating because my Polaris 600 triple beats your brand new 800. It’s just ignorant to say a twin is better. Triples have better suspension, are lighter, and wayyy faster.
The Driven you know what’s up
Don Olypopper he ain’t lying
The question that begs to be asked it this.... is this better than a Polaris?
Michael Johnson That’s personal preference and you won’t know until you try each one side by side. You might like one and I the other.Any new sled is great it’s just what one do you prefer.
The Polaris PIDD gauge from back in 2015 is way better then this gauge. Way more features and so user friendly. I think Ski-doo just wanted another excuse to add another knob 😂
With the Srx and Thundercat being an option Ski doo needs to revive the Mach Z with a 1200 turbo lake racer! like this comment if you agree
Do u half to run 91 octane in those new sleds or is 87 fine??
Say right on the caps what you need to run in all SkiDoos. etec's are premium so in the states that is 91.
Polaris you can run either. I like to run non ethanol witch where I ride is 91.
Kathleen Cahill there is still ethanol in 91 octane
Todd it depends where you are if there is ethanol or not. You either have it or not. I sell commercial fuel and in areas where they don’t allow non ethanol we can’t even truck it in.
@@toddbunnett640 not in all areas
Great now you have a crossover sled that can’t get it’s front end up in somewhat deeper powder.............
Convinced me to stick with Polaris. Why not build sled right from the start & doo wouldn’t need all those fancy add ons to make adjustments
Really? The Matryx wasn't built right from the start.. Neither was the most recent Axis.
Just saying. Ridden them both...prefer Polaris
throttle, yes. tach, yes. engine temp, yes. brake, OPTIONAL! add my gauge isn't configured right after you dust someone. dials, knobs, and buttons, OH MY! Nice sled. spend most of the time on features not needed. I guess that's what people want though. that's what he is paid to talk about. Luke made his position well known in only 2 videos. Pay him enough, he will talk about it. Just think if everyone gave a buck. 1 buck x million is 1 million!!! Well not happening, but 20k still isn't too bad!