Jonathan ! Love the videos man appreciate your time! ... I have a question. What is the best field size for mtt to profit in? ... I play 100-200 player tournaments and win enough to slowly profit but I'm feeling like the top prize of a maximum of x50 buy in isn't that great and maybe I should play more bigger tournaments to maximise my profits ? What size do you prefere?
If I were Jake S. here, I would have checked the river rather than value bet. I don't see Michael calling, so his only options are to check raise (like he did) or fold. I realize it's a safer play, but, it would have been a much better result here.
For sure continued on the 6h turn as a bluff to continue hands like QQ JJ in a 4bet pot. Maybe opoonent folds but if ge calls its maybe hard to fire the 3rd barrell on the K river. By checking turn addamo got to gauge schindler’s range and when he checks back abuses him with a c/r on the river given he s never going to have Kx.
I think the suits of the QQ are very important. He blocks all KQ suited hands. So that really leaves 8 combos of AK that would play preflop this way. He could have 77s and he most likely doesn’t have 55s and 66s. He wouldn’t check 76 with two pair on the turn or check 89 with a gutter coming in (also how often is he reraising preflop with 98). I think a call here is required.
You're not thinking combos of aces and quads ? I'd put him on this and only this... I think this bluff is excellent, I'd probably fold thé Queens thinking i got trapped by aces checkin the river
I’m not scared to bluff big but it seems most of my bluffs get picked off or I’m repping the same hand my opponent has so I don’t bluff often any more, especially at low stakes
At low stakes, player aren’t good enough to fold. The higher you go, the more people will fold to big bets with marginal holdings. However, the bluff has to make sense. And you have to have blockers, be good at hand reading, etc.
Don't rep a hand so much as read your opponents range and then figure out what bet might force them off the pot (but also be credible given how you've already played the hand). Also, bluff earlier more often. The flop is where bluffs are more likely to work, as there's less chance for your opponent to have a made hand, and less chance they feel they have a read on your range. River bets are the toughest to pull off. Realize also, in this case, it was tourney play. This was not so much a bluff as it was the table's deepest stack blocking the pot. When the river came as a K, it became a lot less likely the small stack was strong enough to risk his seat at the table on a call. Even pocket Aces would have had a hard time making that call.
It's also the large stack playing HU against the 2nd smallest (almost tied for smallest) stack in tournament play. If Addamo reasonably thinks Schindler has a foldable hand, he almost HAS to block the pot, and that K river really makes it MUCH more likely that he is playing a pair or AQ, AJ, A10. Personally, I think the bluff is a must - in tourney play, against a much smaller stack - unless you a reading real strength, which I think is just out of the question. Anything K or better other than pocket Kings for the set almost certainly would have raised the pot and defended on the turn, and pocket Kings would almost definitely have made a smaller more callable bet on the river when he hit quads.
@@tylerslenk8243 I knew Michael was going check raise all in. Geez I guess since Jakes hand was so "Strong" he should of called the river shove? Play your game I'll play mine. It's not a terrible play at all! Besides this being a Johnathan hand high light it was obvious!
Hey Jonathan, since people start talking about GTO I had this question: If you play perfect GTO that means that you can’t be exploited, but it means that you can’t win eather, am I correct? My thought process is the next: if you play rock, papper and scissors 33.333...% each, no one can exploit you but can’t win eather, no matter what the other guy does, it will always be a tie in the long run. In order to win you need to be unbalance in the direction to exploit your opponent’s unbalanced strategy
Assuming everyone at a poker table plays GTO, yes there's no profit to be made. Rock/Scissors/Paper is probably not the best analogy because your GTO strat is to randomize and that strat gains zero value regardless of how the opponent plays. A better analogy would be Tic-Tac-Toe, both sides play GTO, it's always a tie, but if you play GTO and the other doesn't, then you win (gain EV) whenever opponent makes a mistake.
@@vinni522 Ok, I understand. For example: If you play perfect GTO and your opponent calls every bet you made with whatever he has and never bets or raises, he will lose because he plays a worse range to begin with and he won’t extract value with his good hands.
@@cpasa798 If you play GTO that means that you always choose the play with the most ev. If your opponent cant play GTO, than he wont be able to always choose the play with the most ev. You will get every extra ev, that your opponent lose with his mistakes.
@@abelgergely that’s not correct. The most EV plays are the one the most exploits your opponent unbalance strategy. For example: if your opponent always calls your bets you shouldn’t have any bluff. Don’t having bluffs are not the GTO play.
I don't understand Schindler's bet on the river. What is he hoping to get called by that he beats? JJ, TT, 99 maybe? He blocks AQ. A7s or A5s? And 87s. But he's beat by AA, KK, AK, KQ, KJs, KTs?, 77, 66, 55, 98s, 76s, 65s. Meanwhile Schindler had great showdown value. Seems like a tremendous mistake not to check behind. Addamo's bluff here was amazing though.
Schindler doesn’t lose to 76 or 65. I also think Addamo’s playing most the hands that are ahead of QQ differently than 3bet, bet, check, check. My back-of-the-napkin math on the river has Schindler ahead of at least 35 of Addamo’s calling hands and behind 16. Definitely a good value bet by Schindler.
@@brettstonier9127 JJ, TT, 99, AQ, A7s, A6s, A5s, 76s, 65s, AJs, ATs accounts for 47 combos Schindler is beating, and I removed a handful of them since he likely wouldn’t call with every combo, which brought me to 35. The 16 hands that I have value owning him come from the 44 combos that are beating him, cuz like I said I think Addamo hardly ever gets here with AA, AK, 77, 66, 55. Have to remove the majority of those combos.
I would never go all in in this situation. I basically always call and win against all bluffs and loose against all value bets. I dont think i do have any check all in bluff in this situation. I really like this play!!!
Very interesting hand. At face value he is repping mostly AA , KK maybe AK and few bluffs like 9-10 or 89 suited for balance , I guess. All would bet the flop. One jake calls pre it’s pretty much QQ+ , maybe JJ+. Then the call on flop maybe JJ folds. Once both check turn, jake doesn’t have AA or KK. Here is where it turns interesting, as jake bet size maybe it’s a size tell he picks up and know it’s not AK, so it has to be QQ by only, thus imposible to call a shove. True QQ blocks KQ and AQ, but is he really rising 19 bb with those ? I’m not sure if he gave up on the river thinking he had AK or better, the picked up something in jake’s sizing.
Addamo's check on the turn is problematic for me... What story is he telling??? He reraised pre-flop... Bet flop with the K on the board. And then checks the 6h turn??? Had he hit the K... he continues on the turn... if he's got trips... he continues on the turn... so his check turn indicates (to me) he missed the K... and has a middle pair. MAYBE he also plays AA this way, though I feel most people would bet the turn with AA as well. So if I've got QQ and the river comes K again... there's no way I'm folding.
You turn betting out of position mostly should be very polar. With marginal made hands and strong draws, you should check as if you get raised, you will have to fold(usually bad pot odds). While if you have gutshot type of hand or just a small fd, you don't have any issue with letting them go in case you get reraised. Hope this made sense to you
@@utkarshvaish5617 his 3bet 18bb preflop raise generally excludes these hands.... He's repping AK, AQ, pocket pr preflop. KT or KJ should not be in his range.
I see cheater Imsirovic is involved in this table… I woulda check called the river hoping Schindler was bluffing with AQ or AJ. Oops. I guess AQ has showdown value so Schindler wouldn’t bet it?
I wouldn't even show the cheater on a video to be honest, let him fade away. He's a world class player live just like Ali, they have no reason to cheat.
This is genuinely bad hand by Addamo. In poker its impossible to not find *some* arguments in favor of an action, which leaves us with an incredible risk of confirmation bias. Was this hand played by any other than the hottest name in poker, nobody would praise it - in fact, it'd be judged harshly.
How would you have played this spot with 8♥ 7♥?
Jonathan ! Love the videos man appreciate your time! ... I have a question. What is the best field size for mtt to profit in? ... I play 100-200 player tournaments and win enough to slowly profit but I'm feeling like the top prize of a maximum of x50 buy in isn't that great and maybe I should play more bigger tournaments to maximise my profits ? What size do you prefere?
Assuming I 3bet preflop. I would have fired on both the flop and turn. A half pot turn bet likely takes it down.
pretty standard to be honest. i play same.
If I were Jake S. here, I would have checked the river rather than value bet. I don't see Michael calling, so his only options are to check raise (like he did) or fold. I realize it's a safer play, but, it would have been a much better result here.
For sure continued on the 6h turn as a bluff to continue hands like QQ JJ in a 4bet pot. Maybe opoonent folds but if ge calls its maybe hard to fire the 3rd barrell on the K river. By checking turn addamo got to gauge schindler’s range and when he checks back abuses him with a c/r on the river given he s never going to have Kx.
I think the suits of the QQ are very important. He blocks all KQ suited hands. So that really leaves 8 combos of AK that would play preflop this way. He could have 77s and he most likely doesn’t have 55s and 66s. He wouldn’t check 76 with two pair on the turn or check 89 with a gutter coming in (also how often is he reraising preflop with 98). I think a call here is required.
You're not thinking combos of aces and quads ? I'd put him on this and only this... I think this bluff is excellent, I'd probably fold thé Queens thinking i got trapped by aces checkin the river
I’m not scared to bluff big but it seems most of my bluffs get picked off or I’m repping the same hand my opponent has so I don’t bluff often any more, especially at low stakes
At low stakes, player aren’t good enough to fold. The higher you go, the more people will fold to big bets with marginal holdings. However, the bluff has to make sense. And you have to have blockers, be good at hand reading, etc.
Don't rep a hand so much as read your opponents range and then figure out what bet might force them off the pot (but also be credible given how you've already played the hand).
Also, bluff earlier more often. The flop is where bluffs are more likely to work, as there's less chance for your opponent to have a made hand, and less chance they feel they have a read on your range. River bets are the toughest to pull off.
Realize also, in this case, it was tourney play. This was not so much a bluff as it was the table's deepest stack blocking the pot. When the river came as a K, it became a lot less likely the small stack was strong enough to risk his seat at the table on a call. Even pocket Aces would have had a hard time making that call.
It's also the large stack playing HU against the 2nd smallest (almost tied for smallest) stack in tournament play.
If Addamo reasonably thinks Schindler has a foldable hand, he almost HAS to block the pot, and that K river really makes it MUCH more likely that he is playing a pair or AQ, AJ, A10.
Personally, I think the bluff is a must - in tourney play, against a much smaller stack - unless you a reading real strength, which I think is just out of the question. Anything K or better other than pocket Kings for the set almost certainly would have raised the pot and defended on the turn, and pocket Kings would almost definitely have made a smaller more callable bet on the river when he hit quads.
I was Begging Jake to check back the river, but he never listens to me.😒
Checking the river with QQ there is a terrible play
@@tylerslenk8243 I knew Michael was going check raise all in. Geez I guess since Jakes hand was so "Strong" he should of called the river shove? Play your game I'll play mine. It's not a terrible play at all! Besides this being a Johnathan hand high light it was obvious!
@@GrampaGrizzle wrong. Checking river is a terrible play and it's not even close.
@@tylerslenk8243 Why?
@@tylerslenk8243 Folding to his shove was wrong
Hey Jonathan, since people start talking about GTO I had this question: If you play perfect GTO that means that you can’t be exploited, but it means that you can’t win eather, am I correct? My thought process is the next: if you play rock, papper and scissors 33.333...% each, no one can exploit you but can’t win eather, no matter what the other guy does, it will always be a tie in the long run. In order to win you need to be unbalance in the direction to exploit your opponent’s unbalanced strategy
Assuming everyone at a poker table plays GTO, yes there's no profit to be made. Rock/Scissors/Paper is probably not the best analogy because your GTO strat is to randomize and that strat gains zero value regardless of how the opponent plays. A better analogy would be Tic-Tac-Toe, both sides play GTO, it's always a tie, but if you play GTO and the other doesn't, then you win (gain EV) whenever opponent makes a mistake.
@@vinni522 Ok, I understand. For example: If you play perfect GTO and your opponent calls every bet you made with whatever he has and never bets or raises, he will lose because he plays a worse range to begin with and he won’t extract value with his good hands.
@@vinni522 I still want to see the simulations for these case to know how far +EV is this case.
@@cpasa798 If you play GTO that means that you always choose the play with the most ev. If your opponent cant play GTO, than he wont be able to always choose the play with the most ev. You will get every extra ev, that your opponent lose with his mistakes.
@@abelgergely that’s not correct. The most EV plays are the one the most exploits your opponent unbalance strategy. For example: if your opponent always calls your bets you shouldn’t have any bluff. Don’t having bluffs are not the GTO play.
I don't understand Schindler's bet on the river. What is he hoping to get called by that he beats? JJ, TT, 99 maybe? He blocks AQ. A7s or A5s? And 87s. But he's beat by AA, KK, AK, KQ, KJs, KTs?, 77, 66, 55, 98s, 76s, 65s. Meanwhile Schindler had great showdown value. Seems like a tremendous mistake not to check behind. Addamo's bluff here was amazing though.
Schindler doesn’t lose to 76 or 65.
I also think Addamo’s playing most the hands that are ahead of QQ differently than 3bet, bet, check, check.
My back-of-the-napkin math on the river has Schindler ahead of at least 35 of Addamo’s calling hands and behind 16. Definitely a good value bet by Schindler.
Ah great point on 76 and 65. I'd be interested to know what the calling hands are that you counted.
@@brettstonier9127 JJ, TT, 99, AQ, A7s, A6s, A5s, 76s, 65s, AJs, ATs accounts for 47 combos Schindler is beating, and I removed a handful of them since he likely wouldn’t call with every combo, which brought me to 35.
The 16 hands that I have value owning him come from the 44 combos that are beating him, cuz like I said I think Addamo hardly ever gets here with AA, AK, 77, 66, 55. Have to remove the majority of those combos.
I have at least some bluffs everywhere I have value mostly thanks to you !
I would never go all in in this situation. I basically always call and win against all bluffs and loose against all value bets. I dont think i do have any check all in bluff in this situation. I really like this play!!!
Very interesting hand. At face value he is repping mostly AA , KK maybe AK and few bluffs like 9-10 or 89 suited for balance , I guess. All would bet the flop. One jake calls pre it’s pretty much QQ+ , maybe JJ+. Then the call on flop maybe JJ folds. Once both check turn, jake doesn’t have AA or KK. Here is where it turns interesting, as jake bet size maybe it’s a size tell he picks up and know it’s not AK, so it has to be QQ by only, thus imposible to call a shove. True QQ blocks KQ and AQ, but is he really rising 19 bb with those ? I’m not sure if he gave up on the river thinking he had AK or better, the picked up something in jake’s sizing.
Wouldn't black Queend be a good bluff catcher because you block every single KQ suited?
When somebody ask the dealer all in? I just call them down. The question inself dont represent strong or secure.
its addamo, you check the river in position, my god. the man is a sicko; take your value, lmao
Thats savage! I won’t fold that pocket q…
check back the river, geez
I play limp call, check call, check call, check fold. This is why I’m a fish, and Addamo is a beast 😢
no you're just Gen pop
Addamo's check on the turn is problematic for me... What story is he telling??? He reraised pre-flop... Bet flop with the K on the board. And then checks the 6h turn??? Had he hit the K... he continues on the turn... if he's got trips... he continues on the turn... so his check turn indicates (to me) he missed the K... and has a middle pair. MAYBE he also plays AA this way, though I feel most people would bet the turn with AA as well. So if I've got QQ and the river comes K again... there's no way I'm folding.
You turn betting out of position mostly should be very polar. With marginal made hands and strong draws, you should check as if you get raised, you will have to fold(usually bad pot odds). While if you have gutshot type of hand or just a small fd, you don't have any issue with letting them go in case you get reraised. Hope this made sense to you
He still has K10, Kj(kind of marginal) type of hand Which can go for check shove
@@utkarshvaish5617 his 3bet 18bb preflop raise generally excludes these hands.... He's repping AK, AQ, pocket pr preflop. KT or KJ should not be in his range.
I see cheater Imsirovic is involved in this table…
I woulda check called the river hoping Schindler was bluffing with AQ or AJ. Oops. I guess AQ has showdown value so Schindler wouldn’t bet it?
I wouldn't even show the cheater on a video to be honest, let him fade away. He's a world class player live just like Ali, they have no reason to cheat.
cheaters dont deserve any more exposure
This is genuinely bad hand by Addamo. In poker its impossible to not find *some* arguments in favor of an action, which leaves us with an incredible risk of confirmation bias. Was this hand played by any other than the hottest name in poker, nobody would praise it - in fact, it'd be judged harshly.