The CRAZIEST Hand From The SUPER HIGH ROLLER BOWL VI! Should NEGREANU Fold AK?
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- This was the HAND from the Super High Roller Bowl VI that everyone is talking about!
We’re really lucky to be able to go through this crazy hand that took place during the biggest tournament I’ve ever played in!
World class poker players Daniel Negreanu & Michael Addamo go head to head in the first level of the tournament, after both players check back the flop, Negreanu pairs his AK and things get explosive!
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What would YOU do with 8♠ 6♣ on the turn?
Your Stack (BB): 333,000
Their Stack (BTN): 251,000
Pot: 6,500
Board: 9♦ 7♥ 5♣ A♠
You check, BTN bets 3,500
A) Call
B) Raise to 8,000
C) Raise to … ?
A call. I'd want him to go to the river thinking he's in control. A. Çall
I would raise to 6,000 or 7,000
What solver do u use
Raise to 12,000.
You are 300bb deep. Leverage that stack. Turn the screws.
Gotta love the way Daniel takes the beat there. It's just part of the game!
On to the next one! Yep! Classy response imo too!
Such is life!
I only can appreciate the way Dnegs handled the beat and the courage to battle an aggressive Adamo
Oh I made the same comment! :)
what beat?
Negreanu once said "if I am in a spot where nothing makes sense, I just call"
The bet sizings seem so weird to me. I'd be very interested in knowing addamos strategy on how he balances his bluffs to value. When making such MASSIVE overbets the amount of bluffs really shouldn't be that high of a percentage...
I really think this guy is ignoring GTO and just playing his own strategy which is awesome to see.
I agree. He deviates a lot from GTO and it is working for him. Having said that, he said he studies a lot so im sure he is putting the work in with solvers etc.
Well, he should be bluffing at a high percentage according to GTO with his massive bets. That’s what is interesting. Because in these scenarios it is easy to either way underbluff or overbluff, and doing so can come with HUGE consequences in terms of chip EV. Even the selection of hands you choose will affect EV a lot.
It is also possible Addamo seems to use overbets so frequently so as to make other player’s be more tame. As a consequence, he becomes more +EV in other parts of the game tree (when he is not overbluffing) as other players are potentially overbluffing and not going for enough value. They may do this simply by being more passive with their strong hands so as to have better calls when Addamo is overbluffing. Like in this case, Negreanu checking back more A8/A6 on flop may be advantageous since Addamo uses 86o in this line.
Very fun hand and line by Addamo and it paid massive dividends here.
Here’s the thing about tournament poker and poker in general that no solver can answer - it’s the people factor as in people show up doing all kinds of unpredictable things at the poker table.
u have to realize that the factor SPR dictates the tempo of this particular hand. so when the effective stacks are 200bb+ TPTK on a board like this means literally nothing. another big factor is who u play with. if your opponent is someone who rarely makes mistakes then checkin back the turn to go to a cheap showdown is the absolute best strategy because you cannot get exploited . The OOP player by checking the turn is like he says: ' hey man i got nothing OR i got the goods'. and this is where this hand gets more complicated because the Button has the choice to either raise or check back. personally if i raised the turn and the BB comes over the top i would muck the hand in a heartbeat for 3 reasons: a) i raised the turn to realize my equity b) due to SPR i am probably drawing dead and c) the BB is chasing so if you sum up all these i prefer to fold (i play the player not my hand and this is one of the most important aspects in poker we tend to no account in our calculations). If i get called i would be very cautious on the river because i would ask my self the question ''with what hand he calls me because his call makes no sense since the A hit the turn unless he has a small A which is also not certain because he could 3-bet me preflop (there are definately some aces who 3-bet preflop by the BB)''. therefore i would not feel very comfortable at any given time. i am writing this comment without seeing what came up on the river and im really curious what is goin to happen. finally, i would love to see the same hand with shallower stacks and see what the solver says. this is a very good selection of a hand Mr. Jonathan.
Shallow stacked it should play similarly, just with smaller bet sizes.
Are you saying Daniel should be checking A K when the turn comes an Ace? That is EXTREMELY nitty. Folding on the turn against an extremely agro opponent is out of the question. Now if this is your local casino with OMC then yes its a snap fold but not against a player like addamo. There's a reason old man coffee isn't winning big tournaments.
Brilliant upload! The gto analysis seems to be a bit more umderstable on mote drawy boards than dry / static ones !
I think knowing what Addamo had killed me trying to put myself in Daniel's shoes
Both players knew each other well. That is why this hand played out the way it did. In my opinion, if you are in Michael's spot, you know you lose to a full House, but that is it. Still different ways you can play it, but you are gambling by pushing all in, that if you get the call you are 50% or 50% getting called by worse. Check, check is a disaster. Check raise, he can find the fold. But when you push, it also looks like you are not that strong. It is definitely a mental game at this point. Honestly I'm not trying to brag, but I used is technique quite often. Either you take the pot, because you had the best hand anyway, you get paid off, or you bust. But if you do check, and he does have a full house, and bets into you, do you fold? Do you raise? Either way you're losing a big pot. So you gamble by getting the full double up or getting a full. Basically you're going for the maximum either way.
Addamo is like a balanced version of Gus Hansen. Gambles like crazy, but looks like he knows his way around a solver.
I mean he doesn’t gamble like crazy that would be -ev and he’s literally the most plus ev player on earth
I love to trap so slow play would be my 1st choice. But the A also represents an opportunity to get extra chips. I would min raise Daniels bet ie 7-8k and get more value on the River
I guess that’s why you’re not playing in a 300k buyin
Tricky question imo (again! 😆😀)! We are deep stacked so we want to try to get chips in the pot BUT perhaps a more important question is how does our range play v the button's range and where is the nut advantage? Presumably the A turn is better for the button's range as the preflop aggressor but both players are roughly equally likely to have nut hands. Hmm no idea what to do. As there are no flush draws, I'd call, and make a big reraise on a non paired river !
One of the best fun videos Addamo is so fun to watch 👏🏻
17:50 I don’t think Daniel is the person to make a bluff like that against
@Jonathan Little -please go over the hand which Addamo calls with the QQ against Bill Klein.
i think addamo really put negreanu on a strong ace type holding and was pretty confident his 86 was good. if he jams all in when he doesn't have that many full houses it looks really fishy to negreanu and can induce a lighter/bluff catching call
I think there's a chance that Addamo is underbluffing here. Obviously I haven't seen many hands but in the spots where I've seen him pull off big bluffs offline, the main class of hand that his opponent would have was a class of hand that was expected to fold (for example in the 87 vs QQ hand it doesn't look like Schindler has a ton of Kx, it looks more like he has QQ-88. In this spot when Negreanu bets the turn his main class of hands is probably an ace, and an ace isn't expected to fold the turn to a checkraise.
Of course it's not enough information to conclude imbalance but it's worth keeping an eye out on this imo.
Addamo is going to bomb this turn bet. Negreanu is going to have AA, AK, A5 and A7 for hands that are going to call. He probably never checks a set on the flop or a straight. I think 20k is good.
Was waiting for Dnegs to say “Such is life” at the end.
I’m check raising the turn 100% of the time. On that rainbow board, the only thing I don’t want to see is the board pairing on the river. If I check the turn and the board pairs, I can only check call the river. Also if my opponent does have two pair or a set, I think now is a time to start charging all of the draws.
What program do you use to see solving like that
PioSolver
Dang i love watching these videos. I havent played a hand in over 7 years. Thanks for sharing
I am very LAG player, but I never understood this calling of massive checkraises on the turn.
Don't mind the hands they are holding, all I see is there are 10bb on the turn after Negreanu bets and there are 591bb on the river. Call me old-school, but I would just give up those 5bb of mine on the turn and play another hand. Exploit me all you want, I'll catch up throughout next few hours.
Exactly. The turn favours Daniel's hand vastly so a bluff raise by Addamo to make an Ace fold there is pretty ambitious. Plus like you said if Adammo is bluffing we still call a huge turn raise and then a huge river bet. This is where Phil Hellmuth is good and would fold the turn even when the opponent exploits. that explains why Phil has more bracelets than any other fancy big players like Daniel.
The question you have to ask is how did Adamo know Negreanu didn't have AA or 9-9 or 7-7? That seems like a really dumb 3x but the guy is winning, so how did he decide on that bet? Mind reader? Did Negreanu tip his hand by betting when the A hit? As Adamo, my guess on Daniel's bet would be he's either bluffing (after all the checks) or has an A. If Daniel watched Adamo before, he didn't play him well. That was a pretty straightforward strategy. Check with nothing, bet when your A hits. I would be checking Adamo every turn and let him do the betting. That's how I play aggressive players. Why throw money in the pot if the guy is going to go steroids on your ass? Trapping is the best strategy with guys like that.
Pocket fives for sure
These type of videos are great, with the solver out and the various lines
Hmm. We are *very* deep and Negs made a small bet, so we would prefer to not just call. I think you mentioned that the flop favored our range, but the turn clearly favored Negs, so I think that does allow us to raise: we are OOP, so if Negs was bluffing we are not that likely to get much more money anyway. So the turn favored his range and it needs to favor his actual hand for us to profit more anyway, so why not raise? We are going to have to lead the river if we raise, so I think we need to pick a size that can realistically be called on both streets.
Why not do 9k, he will have to put in 5500 and the pot will now be 19k-should give him odds to pay. That will create a 25k pot on the river and we can bet maybe 20k on the river.
Oops I did this before the choices came up. So I guess B.
Note: pot-sized raise in that spot is 17K, so 200% = 34k. Yikes!
I don’t understand AT-why would we raise that?
im check raising to 13.5k, i like to keep all the draws in as well as the made hands. i figure ill get called everytime with draws and medium to upper mid PP with that size. 30ishK should fold out most of the draws and marginal hands. tho something is to be said about specifically daniels calling range(tendancies).
I didn’t see the hand. Body language/timing could’ve played a factor in this hand as well. Just because Addamo overbet bluffed Schindler does not mean he’d do the same with Negreanu. To me there is a reasonable probability Addamo feels as though Daniel has a tendency to level himself into wider calls which is why he jammed.
I found the line a bit peculiar as well considering A5 is a hand Negreanu should have a lot here as most A5 would play in Negreanu’s fashion. So Ax isn’t needed as much as a defend, especially AK which doesn’t block nearly any of Addamo’s perceived nut hands. But Negreanu of course just went with showdown as opposed to blockers here.
I wish we could’ve seen the solver strat for Negreanu when Addamo checks to since he almost surely gets to have a jamming range I believe since he has so many A5 and most AA as well.
Kinda the same, he’s got a lot of A5 but hell he has a lot of 77 and a ton of 99 here too. Suspect Jam but he won so who cares
Imagine punting off 250bbs with just top pair
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Jonathan, sorry for my eng(east europe :D)im sound with the option to check on BTN on turn, it opens the gates for river raises and you as far as i understand have the top kicker, thats why you want more info and betting with AJs and less betting with those AKs, AK doesnt need any more protection, since he pot is low with Ak i would rather make a sequence where i hope he bets river, since he as you said most of the tims loses and when i lose its his Tier1 hands vs my Tier2 AK? so i feel like check AK and not start turn sequence of bet turn bet river and decide... the problem i see when raised on turn by BB i rly am not doing well with one pair anymore facing what ever action on river, assentialy bluffcatching since the high Blind stacks i rly dont have anyneed to make rly chips, its more of a phase where i will deveôlop PL image and be trickyx, show altitude of movements to raise the bar for oponnents, obv. one paired hand to play big pot here where all check flop and i decide action on turn on btn, i check back, his lead i R/F, or call depends on the betsize and other informations i gained so far in terms of dynamics images and whats in there for me.... future games... so i check, if he checks river i B/F, or B/C depending again on the size of the bet etc. i mean nut adv. has addamo in my eyes, daniel doesnt open 68o all the time i would assume vs me when me is Adamo... only sometimes probably for the image and future game dynamics... so i would look at if important who has Tier 1 tier 2 tier 3 advantages, but for such a hand i just wouldnt do, energy saving i already have 300BB i have no leverage so im in waters of variance and less information to gain, or just i cant bring opponent to certain range shortenings, or try to hold him in a sequence where he has to break character to gain additional chips i offer, since i cant do it here, i just play it as one pair, and let the moves happen on river, just in order to limit the betting and raising rounds per one turn? funeh is i thought its a Exploit vs better PL where i exploite by checking, seeing more showdowns along the way and limiting the aggresive abbilities of my opponent who is clearly way better imo and on a heater, i respect runs and heaters even its just a very small percentage i might diviate on occasions, in not important spots money wise... rly i dont understand as why ina tournament strategy where the goal is to live and win, i wouldnt entertain here a mindset of harvesting max value like vs same skill, or lower skill opponent... i rly wouldnt on turn in such a low gain spot to risk my money nor the informational gain which is equal to money, i would orient my self toward expoliting my opponent since he is better and i have to pay a littlle to learn? so i had it as exploitative check and even someztimes would call river only when he bets big enought... its my point since im way lower skilled than those dudes... i just cant imagine a scenario where im coming eual, or are long in :))) im gonna when making it come from bottom, so i would accumulate chips and collect some learning points about my opponents, which i need to undestand good while playing i have to performe so i neeed to set my intuition to some borderlines what my opponents are doing, obv, they all have good standard ranges , but you know if you want to win smth. sometimes the sweet spot is inbetween what is prelearned and trying to bring some chaos and high pace where anyone can be hurt, somewhere in betweeen is the sweetspot, we have to get out for it :)))))
SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM :) in MT SNG first level there is zero neeed to play... i usualy play like 7-8% range UTG and even limp AK, AQ i raise, obv. its based on the actuall strategy my opponents have , its fast short amateurs and fish want play fast win fast so they play first levels while deep more, knowing they dont have good late game and me not having leverage first level and profitable skills late.
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before i continue the video me beying Adamo i would raise large turn and bet smaler on river having the nuts, loosing the nuts i would obv. X/C to let in bluffs to ballancce my loss of nut hand.
and i would never call all in river bet, in such a special mtt, its like not my dayli mtt, but for you guys might be so you can if you surely can put 2-3 buyins like ussual you want to have...
Addamo just knew that Negreanu has some serious issues with his ego so he made this exploit. Well done.
12:45 I would flat call simply only Bc there is no flush draw out there. I wouldn’t want them to fold an A3 A4. But I can see why you want to check raise big Bc you want to definitely build that pot with these big stacks
I think I'd call, with the plan to lead on the river. Because Daniel is good enough to fold a lot of aces, but also curious enough that he calls a lot of river bets. So I call the turn, and lead the river for 1/2 to 2/3 pot sized value bet.
Horrible
tried writing this three times..hate my kb. Dneg fell inlove with his one pair and Addamo got lucky his massive bet didn't get him to fold.. adamo in the blinds could have so much Ax 86 87 89 88 55 etc(sets basically) ak has 6 outs on that flop..Dneg fell inlove with his onne pair
He just wanted to outsmart very weird unconventional play instead of easiest way to do it which is to avoid it
...or he exploited well?
If there is a straight and paired board or flush and paired board, those are the toughest spots to put someone in all in on a bluff. Talented poker players will often use those boards to put someone in a tough spot.
Raise to 17500 (5x the bet). Our range contains loads of junk and a few nutted hands - I'd want to be really polarised here, betting my best hands (55,77,86, good 2pair) and balancing with a few open-ended draws.
The key here is the turn ... with Negreanu's EXACT hand whats he expecting to happen on the river?? Is he really expecting Adamo to give up and check ??!! As mentioned, accurately, numerous times in this excellent Video Adamo blasts off more than anyone and he must be expecting him to do that here. So as played, he has to call to River after he has called the turn no matter what card it is! In this exact case the repeat 5 is, as also mentioned on this Video, one of the worst cards in the deck for Adamo ... and he still blasts off ... so the call is pretty standard AS PLAYED. However the Turn is where the fold should have come as when your Value is obvious and you can not catch up/have any equity against the Villians strongest value ... then its an exploit play against the particular player. In this case its gone wrong and think its a fold on the turn given that half the deck is against you on the River. Neg simply has better hands to proceed with the AKo on the turn.
He is expecting for it to check and he wins, or for Addamo to bet and he calls.
@@PokerCoaching Exactly ... and thats why there can be little criticism level at DN as played ... he had a plan and stuck to it ... DN's error came on the turn ... he invested as little 3 blinds early in the Tournament on a hand that has little to no chance to beat Adamo's value - only his bluffs. Its a fold ... move to the next hand ...
I think the most simple explaination is that Addamo SOUL READ or CAP Negreanu's hand into only Ax with X being larger than 10 (larger than J actually). With that kind of certainty, he wouldn't need to follow any theories anymore, the only remaining question is "Can his opponent fold such a hand?" and I do believe that is what was going through his mind as sometimes I make similar plays by overbetting even x10 the pot if I KNOW FOR CERTAIN that the opponent can't fold for some reason
I would've called or check raised small in order to make the aces in his range more likely to believe they could be the best hand and not just a bluff catcher.
I think the huge X/R by adamo is perfect, he attacks only top tier hands, discards future splits, or weird spots where he gets some smaller value in exchange that he is actually giving up information for the hands that have to call his lower sizing its somehow greeedy play and the oversized X/R is so progressive and exploitative ;)
@@miroslavjuris1426 sorry for not clarifying but I said that because people I play against would definitely overvalued ace high because they play lower stakes
what you is refered as to long run statistical playing scalping in cash
games etc. but that mtt you can hardly play like that, they are not your daily bread and butter. you want establish some kind of here and now thing... so to b3 progressive cross lines is very important to suufle up the best pls who understand gto and math of exploits and sizings... you have to out there and be a real danger here and now and rise emotional response in opponents even its subconscious?
Jonathan, I am such a fan. I love that you are a good guy and a family man and make a living off poker. I guess a great living playing $300,000? Not sure how much of it was your money. It was fun to see you final table.
Thanks!
Big Jonathan…. real big…. Because like you said negreanu doesn’t have a lot of bluffs in his range here, he has a lot of aces and therefore we can get a lot of value out of them by raising big
deep stacked sims can get interesting and often it likes the blockers to call with and sometimes to bluff with too - I get surprised by how often ak folds in sim land. I don't really fault DNEGs for calling either Addamo is very capable of turning certain hands into MAssive bluffs the question is how often and what hands does Addammo need to be bluffing for this call to be a.) profitable and b.) more profitable than Daniel keeping his stack and maneuvering it vs the rest of the field. Also Adammo is exploiting people by making the 3x pot bets because probably even high level pros aren't as studied in what range to call vs a 3x pot NO-LIMIT Cadillac of poker compared to what to call vs a 1x pot bet. The goal of a tourney is to get ALL The chips so Addamo will either get all the chips or bust.
Not only does the solver want you to bet small on the river, but it checks almost 70% of the time which I dont get.
Can we really expect to make enough from Dnegs betting here? The way the hand ran out, he will very often have a one pair type bluffcatching hand, maybe with some blockers to the straight.
But that range isn't betting all that much?
Who else looked this up bc there was a short that didn't show the full hand
really informative, thank you for the video
Glad it was helpful!
Great job as always Jonathan
I’m going with 35k (10 * 3.5) and I think anything more than that is just too much and given addamo image I think we can expect to get called
… 36k after you started talking I thought he’d make it 27-30 but decided to go with his crazy image and just 3.5x current pot
Had a flop situation in a circuit few days ago with a 10-8-6 flop 4 ways you don’t expect button to have any 9-7o so just 4 combos beat my set shit went 80% bet I raised the utg pfr to 2.6x just to get him committed by river and button all ined J9o (2 hands into my tournament no rebuys) I sigh called it off q on turn
OOP with the nuts, it is good to go for it. There is too mich chance that DNegs will let it check through on the river, which in this super deep stack situation is unacceptable. It means we get to have bluffs too.
We want to lay odds that ATo and better can't refuse. 13,500 would be normal, I like even bigger, like 15k.
I don’t think anyone should ever lose 200+ bbs with a single pair hand unless it’s AA vs KK and it goes in preflop or before the turn.
Why not?
@@PokerCoaching my reasoning is that if someone is willing to pull that big of a bluff then you would have to say they are reckless and loose. So with patience a better opportunity at some point would probably present itself.
@@PokerCoaching not to mention in order to get to a 400 bb pot it takes multiple bets of x times pot. Getting to that point shows very little pot control and adds to the possibility of facing a set at the very least.
I have to assume you raise big like 18K with intent to bet 50K on the river. Only issue is I'm less sure what other hands are doing this since most of the logical bets lead. I guess unbet sets of 77 and some bad 6x that didn't lead out would be the other hands?
I am thinking something like 18k... 14.5 over Daniel's bet. Seems like a tough spot to get them all in, but I bet Addamo can
Yikes whats wrong with my bb range that I fold 86 off to button bet?
Check raise medium
nothing, this is 300bb deep
12:38 I would never have checked the turn in the first place. Maybe the people I play against are way too willing to raise the turn with AAK even on such a scary board. That said, if I did check I'm definitely raising. I'd raise big, too. If Negs has a big Ace or better, hopefully he stays. If he has less than an ace, probably not getting much out of him anyway. Stacks are so deep you gotta try to get a lot in with the nuts just in case you're on the right side of a setup.
24:00 I've been in this spot many times, for far less money against far worse competition. When a player makes a huge bet when they can't have the nuts and you can, it's very suspicious! Sometimes you actually DO have the nuts, and that's fun of course. But sometimes they are betting a strong hand that they probably shouldn't bet so big, and they get lucky you don't have an even bigger hand, and maybe get further lucky that you have a big enough hand to call their suspiciously big bet.
I can't help but think that's what happened here. Does Addamo really have a soul read that Negs doesn't have a boat?? If not, he's laying way too big a price. If Daniel can call with TPTK here he's surely calling with all boats, and a few other losing hands. I'm almost certain Addamo is laying too big a price given those factors... Again, presuming no outrageous soul read...
Looking back, I'm probably wrong. If Daniel will call with AK, that's a lot of combos compared to FHs. And maybe Daniel usually plays a set differently.
Addamo only needs to win >50% of Daniel's calls to make this overbet make sense. I think I got confused with the pot odds, which aren't very relevant.
Calling the turn was bad enough, calling the river is braindead. If Addamo takes this line with bluffs with any frequency he has be more precise than I think its possible a human can be.
Daniel is raising a little more than 1/2 pot. That means he has something, maybe A5, A4 or even AK, AQ. Therefore since I have the nuts, I want to look like I am bluffing. It would be nice to raise enough to lure him in and maybe let him catch up, but if he has just hit 2 pair, don't want to give him the chance to hit a boat. ( 4 outs ) Therefore I bet big...bluff big and make him pay for a chance at a boat. 4 outs is 16-20%, so I bet 80% of the pot. Bet $8000.
Curious why 86o is too good to fold from the BB? The BB + ante still doesn't make the pot odds that great, does it?
86o is fine to defend against a small raise with an ante in play.
D Neggs is properly bankrolled to play in these games so that occasional call with AK is justified if he thinks that Addamo is bluffing. Still, putting yourself all-in this early on in a deep stack tournament is rather risky. Addamo played this flawlessly by playing to D Negg's habits and how players perceive him (if they've studied tape). He puts him on the exact type of hand that he had and got paid. Tough to fold, but tougher to see my favorite player outplayed and the runout that happened.
Would have been afraid of a set more than the straight but after the check check flop and then you lead when the ace falls and he overbets... You think he overbets there with aq? The hand plays out to fishy for ak only turning top pair k kicker... Unless the guy has been overbetting a lot I would probably muck the AK you might have to pay off sets but I don't think long term you gamble against set and a straight board... Especially from a guy who you knows calls open raisers with junk in his hand like this...lol his 86 play is designed to make you go broke with ak
I'd raise big, like 5x Negreanu's bet, with 86o since we have to start building a pot for our nuts.
Don’t want to watch the whole thing?
Buddy flop the nuts straight.
Superstar turn an Ace with king kicker.
River a 5s which pair up on the board.
Buddy went all in. Superstar thought he’s bluffing and called.
Great play by play! You should get into commentary!
I disagree around 7:00. But I play pretty unorthodox. Plus I see all kinds of different strategies people always contradicting one another. Some say raising preflop with a big ace and missing the flop people still c-bet. I don’t agree with any of those poker charts. I feel like it’s a blackjack strategy table when to hit or stay lol. You just gta go with your gut feeling 80% of the time. I think When you’re lost that’s when u resort to that table but that shouldn’t be happening…unless maybe if you’re playing with these high class players
I don't think folding J10 on the turn is at all nitty. If you're going to pay to draw to a gutshot, you want to get paid off when you hit. If you hit a J or a 10, and it's actually good, your opponent just doesn't have enough hands to pay off. If you hit the 8 for the straight, what is going to pay you off?
How did the solver conclude that Negreanu has " a lot of A5 s" in his range ? I am confused. In any case that's probably the only realistic full house he has in his range. I know I am a donkey, but I am just having a hard time convincing myself that Negreanu had a lot of full houses on the river. Wouldn't be bet 77 99 66 or AA on the flop ?
Why does the key have pink and brown squares but the chart has red squares.
b. raise small - pump up the pot without fold equity and let him make a move on the river - edit: ok
damn daniels looking good these days!
Why are 6's always calling in Addamo's spot? Isn't it a good hand to turn into a bluff as negreanu doesn't bet anything weaker on the turn and you block half the combos of 6-8. The only argument I can see against it is that blocking the straight here isn't super relevant as Negreanu barely has straights in this spot after checking the flop.
There’s no way players have enough time on every streak to do all this math and figure out what a computer would do.
That is why you have to study away from the table...
AKo is just a bluff catcher at the river and Daniel probably knew that. He probably also is familiar with Addamo and his big bluffs. Addamo played his straight like he would a bluff and Daniel had just enough value to justify the call. We’ve all seen Daniel make amazing calls and lay downs this just wasn’t one of them.
I would be betting the turn around 70% if i were negreanu. but i saw he bet around 55% of the pot. i think i am missing something here
@10:42 Robbi Jade Lew does... offsuit but close
Its easy to say now but honestly I would fold AK on the turn when my opponents raise is so big. I would think he has at least a set
Flat call, holding the nut straight, hope my opponent improves on the river or its a safe card that may induce them to call a bet or bet if checked too on the river
24:40 OMG look at how this guy takes losing $300k, probably mostly his own, and looking foolish while doing it. I believe I'm a pretty good sport, but this is world class sportsmanship!
Checkraise turn to around 12k, then blast river.
Pot size raise. 16k straight. I know that's not the exact size of the pot lol
If you win the pot, you increase your odds of winning the event by 5%... 10% maybe (Being very generous!). If you lose the pot, you reduce your odds by 100%.
In Adammo´s shoes Iwould raise to around 8000, maybe 8500.
If you are playing against me. You might want to consider 9-5. Big time amateur who likes Dolly
Are we still using pot odds? Unbelievably bad pot odds, he could have 86, I'd have to put in 10x my initial raise, out of position?? Just have it, sorry I'm not poring over GTO charts for half an hour with this one. 🤠
24:27 Addamo flew to America and "got to play with the Americans"? No, the Americans got to play with him.
He game selected intelligently. He got to play with them. They had to play with him.
better spots to catch a bluff from him. it's not like he NEVER has it
My opinion is that if you’re gonna bet like this ok the turn when your hand is so face up a fold is fine. By the same token, if you’re gonna bet fold on the turn to an active player with a lot of bluffs then I would prefer to check back then and use a large sizing on the river
Check the turn and give ALL the draws a free card then get NO value when they miss? Seems pretty stupid strategy to me bud. I think you're just trying to make up a strategy based on the results.
So what happen with his next buy in ?
Freezeout.
Hard to imagine successfully bluffing 2-3x pot on the turn enough to make money when you actually get called with the nuts like Michael here. Talk to me JL... How do I live on this edge??
raise 15K - gives opponent the sense that you're on a draw possibly with a pair, say 9-8
Neg should have folded to the Raise on the Turn. Don’t @ me.
My fold was good 👍🏻. Just felt beat with top top on that board.
I would raise small trying to keep Dnegs in with his Aces and over pairs. Then, I would bet make a large bet of somewhere between 50% and 75% pot for value on the river.
But maybe he has a good read on Daniel.
Negranu has easiest fold on turn wait for better spot and i dont care i will get bluff here i invested so little that this is no problem for me
"Wait for a better spot" logic does not work well against good players.
The thing is that the opponents tend to know that you are in a “better spot”.
The opponent is known for bluffing. Can’t play scared VS aggressive opponents.
@@Samurai31631 I get Addamo has reputation. He is very aggressive and capable but risking so much to catching bluffs seems to me pretty unnecessary . Its not ego war to fight vs betters show them who is boss but to pick your spots carefully ideally putting pressure myself on others again ideally vs weaker opposition
@@losyart I agree. It’s not an ego war. You gotta play to win. 2 pair with top kicker isn’t bad, especially against an opponent capable of bluffing. It’s a pretty good bluff catcher.
It’s fair to say people definitely over bluff with the Jack 4 nowadays
I was huffing duster and went ALL IN.....lost. Jonathan you owe me $600.
4 X raise on the turn, sell the 'im bluffing' story
A8 also blocks the nuts
So.... Addamo is better than a solver. He won more money than the solver said 🤭
Skill game.
@@PokerCoaching Let's face it, that Addamo river bet was ridiculous and he's lucky it worked out for him. That's true by old school / common sense methods and by GTO methods.
Against Adamo you must overcall I guess? He is just hyper aggressive and bluffing opponents all the time. Not GTO, but just saying. This time he just had the goods. Bad luck.