Battle of the Ports - Virtua Racing バーチャ レーシング (Show #17)
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The 3D polygon game that really changed the arcade scene and 3D gaming as we know it today. Virtua Racing!!
Time Code:
00:23 - Arcade
05:10 - Mega Drive
09:48 - Sega 32X
15:50 - Sega Saturn
25:42 - Play Station 2
Amazing how good the 32X version is. It looks like an early Playstation game, not a late Genesis game
i remember me standing in front of the arcade machine in 92 with mouth open....3D Revolution had started
Fun fact: Originally, Virtua Racing/Virtua Formula was never going to be released because they wanted the hardware to grow to give fully textured polygons, but the game was so great for its time that they finally decided to release it, in mini and full sized, full speech from commentator, motion controlled F1 cars. The former idea, though, turned into its succesor, Daytona USA after investing millions for a flight-simulator graphics chip to be put on the Model 2 board.
If you look it that way, yes, VR was a test run for their 3D graphic board.
Nice backgroung facts...thanx
I thought they partnered with a aerospace company for the Model 1 board not the model 2? I just posted on Digital Foundry to correct them but egg may now be on my face.
They did a great job on the Genesis/MD version. It's way easier on the eyes than Starfox or Snes Doom
This just reminds me of how awesome Sega used to be and how Shitty they are now. To think they still have arcades in Japan. I had this for the 32x by the way.
Sega are for sure not once they were but over here they're still major player in the Arcade scene.
Doing a bit of homework on this game, I still think the arcade version is gorgeous to this day.
The polygon power of the SVP was 300-500 polygons a frame, not per second. So this chip is estimated to be somewhere about 6500. And some homebrew folk figure its capable of much more. In the 10k/s range if properly coded.
Yeah, I was about to comment (despite this being a very old video of his) that the 300 to 500 polygons per second can't be accurate-I mean, if you're being very liberal with how you qualify a rendered polygon (to exclude filling and line-culling), then there's a demo of a spinning 3D cube for the *Atari 2600* that runs at that speed.
I've seen lots of footage of this game being played the arcade and Genesis. I'll be getting the version of this game that is for the Switch soon. Great video.
The Switch version I said to be best
How could I've forgotten about this one? I didn't play it on the MD back in the day, but last year I found a copy for 10 € in a shop and I didn't think twice. I have to say it must have looked quite impressive on its time, and, really, it's too bad Sega didn't go the Nintendo way and tried to develop more - and cheaper - SVP games for the MD while focusing on the Saturn instead of developing that ill-fated 32X. But, well, as Earth Wind & Fire sang, that's the way of the world.
Rewatching this again.. the "Game Over" song still haunts me in my dreams.
The Mega Drive version is worse with the grainy sample...
I originally loaned this on the Megadrive from my local video shop due to the high purchase price at the time (think it topped out at £59.99). Luckily, I waited until it arrived at an online store and went down that purchasing route.
That must have been few years unless you mean stores that advertised in magazines. Online shopping started around 1995.
"The Nintendo Switch port is part of the SEGA AGES collection and it looks and runs exactly like the arcade. That's because it pretty much is the Arcade version, all thanks to M2 who somehow found the source code of the original arcade game at a collegue's old computer. This runs at a blistering 60FPS and can have 4 players playing at the same time, however the game can allow up to 8 players but the downside to that is that it drops back to the regular 30FPS cap, you can also play this online against other players."
V.R on megadrive is still amazing it has no right to be as good as it is but it is, a marvel for the time and so glad its cheap to buy now despite being super expensive to buy at the time.
It sure was a Marvel but in this day and age is is starting to look pretty rough. At the time though it was amazing. I still own the same Japanese game that I bought all those years ago
It sure was a Marvel but in this day and age is is starting to look pretty rough. At the time though it was amazing. I still own the same Japanese game that I bought all those years ago
Yeah ..the built in extra chip made the rom expensive
It's crazy but the super fx was able to draw more polygons with more colours. This shows what amazing coding and hardware design can do. Yes on paper the fx maybe faster, by god I remember how intense v.racer was.
I want to type Nintendo are donkeys to partner with but Sega did a similar thing with sgi. Can you imagine if Sega hadn't been so childish and worked with the Americans? We'd have no N64 but a send version of it.
It's really great and slightly sad when the heads of companies let their ego shadow the product. An atari NES, a Sony & Nintendo playstation / snes cd add on. The b4 mentioned sgi Sega machine and and so on.
PS, i always thought AM2 with their logo meant. _ARCADE MACHINE 2 U_
0:13 arranged version of that genesis intro song. This sounds very good
I can't find it in TH-cam. Is so cool.
You should see the Switch port. It's beautiful.
That switch release is pretty good too.
The "Game Over" sound really freaked me out when i was a kid lol
It does have a ghostly vibe to it.
The fact that a SEGA Genesis was able to handle Virtua Racing, although with some additional lock-on hardware, was just mind-blowing. I have the cartridge in my game collection. Just a great game...
But the game does not work in my Super Retro Trio. I tried it.
Conversus W. Vans Official [Paul] See also Star Cruiser for MD/GEN and its other versions and sequel.
Made possible by fast dma/bast processing.
Amazing what Sega could do back then. Never underestimate the '90s.
I actually love you for this!!! Have you played the Switch remaster?! Oh my goodness, it’s absolute perfection!!!!
I'm afarid not. I'd like tk but the switch actually belongs to my son and he has no interest in downloading the game 😭
Retro Core please try it mate, if there’s any way you can, it’s glorious! By the way your Battle Of The Ports are actually the greatest video game content on you tube, no exaggeration!! You deserve all the success in the world Retro Core!! Amazing work!!!⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Thank you for all the hard work you clearly put into these!!!
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the fact the original arcade cabinet in its deluxe iteration runs in 16:9 widescreen!
I saw one of those and I do remember it looking odd. Was it true 16:9 I wonder?
Retro Core The hardware runs at a resolution of 496x384, regardless of if the cabinet is configured for 4:3 or 16:9 display, so in both modes it uses non-square pixels. On the original CRT displays it would look great, but with wider pixels. On an LCD monitor the image would look distorted and shimmery however. If the cabinet was set for the wrong aspect ratio in the service menu it would also look distorted, since the game renders polygons with a wider FOV in 16:9 mode and has different UI elements which are designed to be stretched anamorphically to 16:9. Basically, it’s 16:9 widescreen squeezed into 4:3, and then stretched back out to 16:9 by the CRT display, but it is the correct 16:9 widescreen aspect ratio and not just 4:3 stretched.
It is funny how warner bros when making Virtua racing saturn port forgot to add texture to opponent formula cars.
They also forgot to add playability.
the fact the Genesis/Mega Drive version actually runs with a framerate more of 10 fps is just astonishing.
I dont even know how they did that.
The cartridge has a special chip on it called the SVP.
@@RetroCore the downside was the SVP chip made the game hideously expensive. I think it was like £80 at launch in the UK.
@@matttheshadowman2790 it was and caused digital phones at the time to start ringing.
Found out there’s a port on the Nintendo Switch for their Sega Ages done by M2 that’s currently the best home port available. 1080p, 60fps, zero draw distance so no pop up
What version of MAME are you using to emulate the arcade release? Newer versions aren't compatible with Model 1 games for some reason.
I'm using a pretty old Mame version which acording to the help file is version 0.143u5 dated September 6th 2011
Thanks! I'll give it a shot.
It's a pity , that i have read about this game in some magazine since childhood , but cartridges with this mastrerpiece was missing in my hometown.
But i had Race Drivin...
I remember buying the Japanese version for twice the price of a normal game when it was new. It truly was expensive. Now here in Japan Virtual Racing is very cheap.
I still regret owning the Saturn version... Time Warner Interactive FUCKED UP big time!
***** Yeah, you have to fuck up that bad when you make a Saturn game that's worse than the 32x version
Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeee ovaaaaaaaaaaaaa
And not forget, the Sega Version has got the 6 Button Controller support, to switch in any View Optics. Very Good Reviewed.
The PS2 version also has this. Actually all versions do except the Mega Drive or 32X if you dont own a 6 button controller.
The arcade version was really impressive by the time, even the PC's F1 Grand Prix from Microprose hadn't such graphics.
WTF they did with the Saturn version? The car sounds like todays vacuum cleaner F1s! Even the Genesis port sounds more closely to the F1 cars by that time.
Speaking of the Genesis version, I remember finishing this game was very difficult, one of the hardest games I've played on this console!
Sadly Sega let Time Warner develop the Saturn port and as we know they really messed it up. An awful port.
I got both the 32X version as well as the Nintendo Switch which I will say is the perfect Arcade port, after all, M2 gone through a lot of effort into obtaining the source code of the arcade.
I'd like to try the switch version. Sadly the Switch belongs to my son and he's never off it 😁
Actually a very playable 3D racing game on the Genesis, very faithful to the original acknowledging the hardware limitations, the music is pretty cool, the frame rate it's very lightly choppy, unlike the SNES's 3D racing/action games, ultra choppy, almost unplayable. The 32X is a very enhanced version of the genesis, The Saturn version drives like a 1991 F1 Ferrari, so is not going to be very loved by Alain Prost haha :D, but the graphics look like the arcade almost exactly but a little down in the resolution, the other cars are not very special to look at but it's a nice addition. The PS2 definitely I will get, looks beautiful and fun but a little bit dark. Overall they all are nice ports, but I have to give the most credit to the Megadrive for the best result due the system specs.
Leonardo Antonio I agree, I had it and loved it. This was way before sega rally and daytona
The MD/GEN may look like it really required the SVP chip, but look at every Star Cruiser version, even the MD/GEN version.
And Star Cruiser is a very old game too. But to be fair, the Mega Drive isn't pushing anywhere near as many polygons with that game.
Back in 1992 this game must have looked like an alien sorcery, no less.
Bit I nearly developed a headache by looking at the Genesis port.
And what with overenthusiastic Game Over announcement? :)
I was there when this was first released and yes it did look so special. It made the likes of Hard Drivin' seem prehistoric.
"TIME BONER !"
Great overview!
+Dave Voyles Thanks!
Great review, I didn't know the 32x had an advantage in the controls. The graphics are good enough to justify calling it the best over-all experience. Curiously enough, I had a similar experience with Out Run, while I own the game in SMS, MD, PCE and SAT (the latter being the all time best on paper) I end up always playing the PCE version to death.
It has balanced difficulty which actually allow you to push throguh the different routes (and see all the endings) without making you want to throw the pad at the screen like the Sat version does (no problem if you just have a few "let's check this game" runs, but try pushing for all the endings and you'll know what I mean).
Gotta get a 32X... :)
The Saturn Version is my favorite Port because of the Audio and all the Variety. I love me some variety.
If only the Saturn port was smoother.
WOW! Great video about one of my favourite game! Oh and can you give me the intro song you used at the begining of the video? Its sound awesome! :D
I no longer have that song, This video was made quite some time ago. Sorry.
+Retro Core No problem :D
The arcade version had the rare distinction of having a widescreen setting, which was later used in Indy 500.
Yeah, I remember seeing that. was it true 16:9 though? I can't remember.
Yeah, I think it was.
Interesting fact: Many Virtua Racing cabinets were repaired and relabeled to be used as Indy 500 ones.
I loved the remastered version of the intro song from the Mega Drive version, which plays at the beginning of the video. Where did you find it? Could you send the link?
Ah, that's taken n from the Sega Saturn version of the game if I remember correctly.
And now the Switch version blows all of these away, even the arcade version.
10:28 The Mega Drive version also had 2 player split screen
That's right
@@RetroCore And even then, the framerate was stable and fun as hell with 2 players. There's even a handicap feature to balance out the player's skills.
Amazing vid. Loved the 32x version. Played too death. Slow uk version but still great. Got the saturn and ps2 and still prefer the 32x. Need to get my md ,32x modded to full screen. Thanks again
Yeah, the 32X version is easily the best in my opinion.
I think you lose a lot in control in the game due to not feeling that force feedback wheel. It totally helped feeling the weight of the car
I don't know if anyone else told you this, but the Genesis version of Virtua Racing actually has a 2-player mode.
I know the 32X version does but I don't recall one in the Mega Drive version.
Man, How a like this game! I played Saturn version yesterday. I have to unpack my 32X to remember. And must get a PS2 version to see. But I don't think the PS2 wil make me a nostalgic time since I first played the 32X. The Genesis I don't think I will be able to get, too expensive and hard to find. Great video!
Thanks for the comment. The 32X version is really good. Much better than the Saturn game.
remarkable amount of pop-up on the PS2 version. Though it does run wonderfully.
well,you don't seem to realize that the point of a faithful port is to be faithful to the original game
Love this game so much. Great look at all its iterations! Thanks for posting man!
No problem. The next battle of the ports will feature another Sega racing game. It will go live on May 10th.
No problem. The next battle of the ports will feature another Sega racing game. It will go live on May 10th.
I'm really looking forward to the M2 port of this to the Nintendo Switch, those guys make nothing but quality and arcade pefection for the home.
I didn't even know they were porting this to switch. I'd better get my son to buy it :)
They made it too bright and the colours are washed out, it turns too slowly and the sound is a bit limp too imo. I really don't like it. For me the smd version is the most fun.
@@RetroCore The game looks fantastic. 60 fps, and they fixed alot of the popin that the arcade version had.
@@johnkerkalis6310 You forgot the insane split screen mode.
Wish I could get a party in the house just for it lol.
I had hoped for the Saturn to be the king of all the ports, but it's second-rate to the 32X version. While the Saturn version has more car types, in which is a good thing, some of the cars just don't control right.
Still not a bad port, nonetheless.
The Saturn version is just awful. Why Sega let Time Warner handle he port is a mystery.
I notice the original arcade version clearly recreates F1 liveries of that time. The player car could be a loosely based McLaren, I spotted a Ferrari, Benetton, Tyrrell, Larousse, Footwork Arrows, maybe a Brabham... the game ages itself pretty accurately lol
I bought Virtua Racing for the Genesis, brand new back in the day and was floored. Sega should have invested more into the SVP, and not bothered with the 32X addon.
I think their thinking behind it was to make a hardware add on that could do basically what the svp chip could do (way better tho) therefore not every game would be $100. So basically you buy the hardware for a few hundred dollars then pay normal price for the games.
+Matt Logsdon If only the 32x hooked up like the Power Base converter.
Can you explain what happened at 21:19 during the kart section? That was... interesting...
Hmm, the sudden teleportation was a strange glitch but the tunnel behind the wall is a secret road. It was funny how the glitch placed me by the secret road.
I played the 32X version to death but as someone who recently picked up a Japanese Sega Saturn should I just skip the Saturn port even if it can be had cheaply? I was disappointed to hear mixed things on the Saturn version since I assumed it would have been the version closest to the arcade but that does not appear to be the case.
The Saturn port is total crap. I'm a massive Saturn fan but even I think it can't compare to the 32X version. The Saturn port may look a bit better but as a game it's awful.
Thanks for the advice, I think I will skip it & put my money towards imports of Outrun & Power Drift instead.
I can't understand how Sega could let Time Warner Interactive to handle the Saturn port.
Otherwise the Saturn port could have been the best.
I agree. Time Warner really messed this one up.
Does the arcade board have DIP switches to set the language, or were there separate Japanese and western versions?
I don't know to be honest.
It's controlled through test mode
Siempre pensé que la versión 32x era una conversión perfecta del arcade, pero no es así...
La versión de PS2 me gusta como se ve pero no el control...
La de Saturn me parece interesante de tener...
Okay I gotta ask: was the player having control problems or something? In pretty much every version they have a very tough time keeping the car even going straight and they botch just about every turn too.
No, I was just very tired. The video footage was captured around 2am for this video due to a hectic real life :(
Its all good partner, didn't mean to come off snarky like that. Thankyou for your work I love Virtua Racing and seeing all those versions was marvelous!
Tim Theiss no worries man. As long as you are enjoying the videos it's all good :)
The PS2 version has a Caterham in it. MUST HAVE. NOW.
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My friends and I spent at least 2 years meeting every Saturday at the arcade for 4 player battles. This game deserves a new version using just polys.
I still have the Japanese version with converter I bought from DieHard Game club for $160.
The best looking is the PS2 version. But the gameplay is disapoitting as the car runs like a soap.
You need to add the switch version to this !
If you buy me a switch and the game, I will.
Keep in mind, this video is older than the Switch release.
I thought I was the only one who thought the 32X version was the best one. I played the hell out of this game, and that replay song is legendary.
The 32X game is pure magic!
The Mega Drive port gets a lot of negative comments but I still think it's a bloody good version considering it on the MD! 32X is probably my favourite to play though, I've no idea why but I love the 32x in all its ugly glory!
For its time the MD version was amazing. Especially when you put it up against stunt Face FX on the SNES.
Cómo se llama la canción que usas en intro del video
I remember Brighton Pier having the full scale, four or five linked up, hydraulic cabinets (F1 Cockpits). Didn't play/handle as well as the normal sit down version though. It was £2 at the time too. Virtua Fighter was 50p.
The Saturn version I found utterly unplayable, a complete bodge job. The 32X version, I think had it all and then some. Having said that, I haven't had a chance to play the PS2 version. (I don't think it was ever released in the UK).
Didn't they replace it with a 8 player Daytona USA at some point?
I'm not sure. It's possible. But I know that they held on to, and kept the linked Virtua Racing well beyond it's time. It was that popular. And that much of a spectacle. The 8-Player Daytona may have been installed in one of the arcades down by the Grand Hotel. Along the coast, Portsmouth had the huge Daytona set-up. The 6-player Virtua Racing. The full size Ridge Racer, using the donor Mazda MX5, and the full size Starblade like Galaxian 3/Theatre-6, 6 player laser-disc polygonal shooter.
My fave port is the PS2 tough Sand Park in the 32X version looks nice!
A remake since now the Switch version is out ?
Nah, I'm afraid not. I do love the Switch version though. Amazing work by M2 as always.
The PS2 remake for me is the definitive port of Virtua Racing.
It sure looks the best but I feel the 32X plays the best. Now the Saturn, well that port it just awful.
@@RetroCore Sure. Sadly it's on 32x. An add-on with a really poor library of games. And it's sad that the Saturn port is not good at all.
The 32X version is the best.
Honestly my favorite ports are the Sega Saturn and PS2 versions
I love the Saturn but I can't say I like Saturn VR.
This vid is great! I liked
Thanks!
Retro Core Which version do you like best?
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Hmm, probably the 32X version followed by the PS2. The 32X just seems to control better IMO.
Retro Core Y'know, I really think the Saturn version could've been great if Sega had just done it.
The Genesis version has 2 player split screen too.
The only thing wrong with the 32x version is the drafting. Genesis is more like the arcade in that regard.
In the 32x version it's more like some kind of "bump drafting" were u have to touch a car to gain speed. MegaDrive you can gain speed from a slip stream
i never knew there was a ps2 version...but i probably would not look for it since i have the best endless checkpoint racing game on my phone, beach buggy racing
If you like Virtua Racing the PS2 version is really good.
Retro Core jesus that was a fast reply on an old video...anyway, i’ll probably look for the 32x version for the tight controls. visuals were never as high as gameplay for me anyway
Ah, you were lucky I spotted the comment as it went up :)
Am I the only one who doesn’t like the controls on the 32x version? The video says it is improved from the Gen/MD game, but to me it feels less responsive or something. Also, it seems like the PS2 version has an analog calibration problem. Every time I start a race, it pulls to the left, and I tried 3 different DS2’s so it doesn’t seem to be the controller’s fault. After I move the stick all the way left and right, it re-centers itself and the problem goes away.
Maybe you are having had luck with the PS2 game? I never had any issues at all with mine. Playing on a Japanese white PS2 Slim with a Hori pad.
Retro Core could be a version difference - the s
Sega Ages games weren’t released separately in the USA, so I’m playing it on the NTSC-U collection, which was called Sega Arcade Classics
Ah, that's why then. Looks like they've messed something up during the compiling of the disc.
There is even a mobile phone port.
Not as far as I know.
Here it is:
th-cam.com/video/JENXUGlZ5_o/w-d-xo.html
Não sabia que tinha para Playstation 2
The first V.R looked like black magic in 1993. It was incredible!
Mega Drive had split screen fyi.
Yes, I know. I own the Mega Drive version. I still have the original cartridge I bought back when it came out in Japan.
@@RetroCore Then why did you write "now also a two player split screen mode" at 10:26 for the 32x version following the smd version, intimating the smd didn't have one? I feel this is a very minor error on your part but hey ho.
Excellent video. Shame the PS2 version had the graphics but played like a sack of shit.
An ideal match would have been the playability of the 32X with the graphics of the PS2.
21:20 shortcut?
+retrovideogamejunkie yep. There's a few hidden in the game.
+Retro Core I guess that's another thing you can give the Saturn version credit for.
Also, the Saturn version is probably the only home version of the game to natively support a racing wheel. Does the Saturn version benefit from the Sega Saturn racing wheel?
TheMamaluigi300 no, not really. It's still pretty rubbish.
Megadrive version withe the SVP was great for its time - shame about the MD's native low resolution and colour pallete - would have been better with a bit higher resolution and a more diverse colour palette - the same thing affects the 32X version to some extent although better in both than the MD.
The Ps2 version was a pretty looking mess of a game.
One thing that always puzzled me about the MD port was the decision to dither the colours on the bridges. It just looks ugly. They should have used solid colours.
true, dithering is Always ugly but was a way to shade away the colour limit of the genesis. if like anyone would use rf still ''rf is really ugly'' 32x should have been made instaed of the sega cd wich actually is just a genesis with cd audio and video clips.
arjan snijder Mega CD did have some custom hardware - but you are right in it was used mainly for CD Audio an FMV = not good.
i know, batman returns is a ''good'' example yet on a low colour count, but it kinda looks like something more towards playstation with those 3d scaling things.
The Genesis / Mega Drive does have quite a low / limited on-screen colour pallete compared to many 16bit systems - Games on the TG16/PCE often featured more colour than many MD games - true many well programmed Mega Drive games like the Technosoft titles were very colourful considering its limitations.
Its the sprite colour limitations on the MD that were it real weakness in many of its arcade conversions - like the version of OutRun on MD - the colours were all wrong.
32x version is the best, it looks...32x.. has better use of colour then the genesis one and looks even better then the mess on saturn and the ps2 one actually looks ugly for a modern console,looks like some free game you can play on the internet and also really dark as with many ps2 games.
Who else watched and listened to the "game over" screen and shouted YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH lol
yeah and this is 2017 or (2016) at this comments post having played all these games whenever i hear that "gamee overrr" i always add a YEAHHHH from years of playing sega rally.
PS2 version has clipping issues
*_TIME BONER_*
So ps2 is a drift game. What in the name of fuck were they thinking
A drift game? No, its the same as the arcade but with extra tracks and cars.
A drift game? No, its the same as the arcade but with extra tracks and cars.
it is. a drift game. it plays like youre drifting all the time. control is just wrong for a f1 car with wings.
plus the drift sfx is super repetitive and annoying. better get used to it. cause youll be listening to it all the time
+burntyper PS2 VR drifts the same as all the other versions, and I have them all. As you say the skidding EFX is bloody annoying.
Best music - Genesis
Best graphics - PS2
Controversially perhaps I really like the PS2 gameplay... sure no cars physics behave like that but it makes for excellent gameplay. AND you can see rival cars clear enough to avoid them - which cannot be said for some of the earlier games.
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"Time Boring"
Don't play the arcade version with digital inputs aaaaaah!
The Saturn port looks like shit. What a disappointment.
Yep, total crap but that's because Sega stupidly let Time Warner handle the conversion.
A shame the SVP didn't get used in other games. Had SEGA aborted the 32X and stuck to the SVP, they might have amortized the production costs while still keeping an advantageous lead over Nintendo. (For those too young to know, the GENESIS was ahead of the SNES in sales up until late-1993). That and the SVP was more powerful than all SuperFX revisions and models.
Alas, I think this decision was Day 1 of SEGA's end as a hardware manufacturer.
It is a great shame. Virtua Fighter and Daytona were considered for the SVP chip at one point.
Daytona USA, really? That would had been crazy.