Comparison of Chainsaw Milling Chains. Is One Better than Another? #30
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- Which milling chain is the best? Is there actually a best for chainsaw milling across the board? I decided to put several of them head to head and see once and for all which chain makes the nicest lumber.
I decide to mill one board with 5 different chains: two full-chisel sharpened at different angles, two semi-chisel and one purpose made, Granberg milling chain. And to be honest, the results surprised me!
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Putting in the time so we don't have to, much appreciated Mr. Worm. Thank you again for a great video!
Thanks for your informative videos. I appreciate your effort and thoroughness. You're saving me a lot of trials and tests as I'm deciding on to take up chainsaw milling myself. Kudos.
Awesome explanation of the different chains and sharpening angles you've tried. Mad props for such a labor intensive comparison of all the chains you reviewed! Have enjoyed all your videos so far and again thanks for the commitment!
AWESOME JOB! You have saved all of us time and money to get a better looking piece of chainsaw milled lumber.
Great video!! Thank you for taking the time to do this. My Alaska mill make it here this week and I have a pair of milling chains on the way from forester supply.
This is a brilliant video, very knowledgeable. Learnt a lot, clear information pleasure to watch and learn.
Many thanks
Simon
Appreciated this test, I will be doing the same test under my filing conditions. Thank you Sir!
Thank your for the video, which to me contained a fund of important information which was at once entertaining and instructive.
I am looking to get into chainsaw milling logs on my property and this has been most helpful. Thx for your time doing the test.
Super educational.Thanks for putting in in the time.
Great video, thanks for taking the time to share your analysis. Are you grinding only? The new chain out of the box, it cut rough. Please update if the performance is better after you grind it, or file. 12 yrs of experience falling timber, not ripping: factory sharp will cut, but not like a filed chain. Also, in 3/8" there was a semi-skip chain available that I preferred. Stihl chain was harder metal than Oregon brand and didn't stretch as much. Holding an edge longer? Can't say for ripping. You are appreciated, please refrain from talking down on yourself! I know your being wise with disclaimers, that fair enough, but your personal experience and opinion is validated as you have made it this far. Carry on!
This video was a lifesaver and a huge time saver for the rest of us. Fantastic head to head
Great explanation of the various chains for ripping. Thank you. I am just beginning to learn how to make my own boards. For the last few years, I have going to a mill and having them cut boards. Now I am doing less tree-cutting and want to mill them myself.
Another terrific video. I really like your voice and manner of speaking. It is sort of monotone, but very relaxing. I like that you aren't verbose. You share information in a clear concise format which I for one really appreciate.
Simply put. A very humble and helpful video
Your editing is getting good, it flows smoothly. Great comparison video. I might be getting into milling soon myself.
Thanks!
If only I could figure out how to put them together 3x faster, I’d be in business.
You won’t regret getting a mill!
I’m all in come March of 2022. So I appreciate all your videos and information.
This is absolutely perfect, this channel I mean. Must move out to my small property very soon and will have little money so was hoping to mill a little lumber. Like the chainsaw way and you have a lot of practical info, all questions I have wondered about, pretty cool.
So very interesting! Thanks very much for such detail.
wow, thank you for having the time and patience to put this together, chain change every foot ugh thanks again
Wasnt fun but I’m glad I did it!
Thanks I’m learning about chainsaw milling ain’t having fun yet but I hope to your video was very helpful.
I found this to be interesting thanks for the time it took you to do this cause I have looked and can't find anything on youtube about this at all!!! HIGH FIVE TO YOU!!!
Finally! I actually added something to the internet!
@@survivingringworm2202 It was great but I love that swing bed am going to try to make one in the basement for myself!!
Fantastic! I mean, all you need is a bed with a frame, some rope and some stout hooks right?
Hello again. This is great!! I've been searching for info on chains and this was very helpful. Much more than poring over numbers and data. TY. Just came into over 40 logs (Pine, Oak & Poplar) have them cleaned and debranched and have ordered a Granberg 30" chainsaw mill to slab them. Mostly 10 '-15' long and 22" - 27" diameter. Shopping chain saws while waiting for the mill and leaning toward a Husky --- will need at least 70cc so it'll be the 585 or 592XP. There's a lead time for mill delivery so de-barking will commence soon. Will keep u apprised of my progress. Stay safe, God Bless....
Excellent comparisons. Thanks.
Great information for a chainsaw newbie like myself. And nice new trailer you’ve got there.
She’s a beaut, ain’t she‽
I like your winch and snatch block rigging. Enjoy your show.
Thank you for the information.
Excellent! Thank you 😊 experience is priceless!!
Great video, I learned a lot.
it was a great experiment we all get a lot out of your effort there, thank you
J. Duncan, you posted this as a reply...just FYI.
Another great video. I have a small electric chainsaw that I got at Home Depot. It has the chain that it came with so I truly have no idea what type of chain it is. That being said, I don’t care one way or other about chains but I really liked this video. I was really loved that you can visible see the difference. Thanks for taking the time to do this comparison and looking forward to the skydeck!
Thanks Thom!
Funny, you don’t care about chains and I don’t care what the cut looks like but seems that we both found the outcome of the experiment interesting. I sort of dreaded making the video but I’m glad I did now that it’s done.
Really interesting! I have thought about getting one of those mills just for furniture projects from logs on my property. I do have a planer, so I would be more interested in longevity of the chain, not the smoothness of the cut. This was a great comparison! Camera showed it well
Thanks! Glad it was helpful.
If you’ve got the planer, then you can also just use whatever chains you have on hand. They all work (despite many folks that will try to convince you otherwise!)
I was quick to point out to hubby the planer when we got to Harbor Freight yesterday for the first time in over a year!! Enjoy yours!! Someday...
@@Downeastwaves Amazon has one. Has good reviews and comes with a stand. I have not unboxed it yet but imma gonna!😅
How big is your planer mate? Like just a corded power tool type?
@@joesarrieto8434 yes 15amp plug in 13 inch
Great comparison on the different chains. I would like the smoothest finish possible just to make the board more useable quickly. Reducing steps after this.
Awesome video great bit of info for everyone!
I love my full house Oregon ripping chain on a 36 inch bar.
Good show man.
Great Video!, I just started doing some research on milling lumber. I have watched many different channels and for me I like your channel best. TYhis video was very educational for me. I appreciate your work.
Awesome video for future reference for anyone looking for Milling tips.
Good day brother 😁☕ thanks for the education.... I liked the way you loaded your logs on the trailer .... you just taught me how to save my back 😁🏆☕
Thanks! That was the first time I tried that. Did it because my back was in such bad shape I couldn’t lift a thing for a couple weeks.
It worked!
Nice tests and a brilliant video. 💯❤👍
A lot of work for great info, never tried 0 degree. Have plenty of old full chisel, got some sharpening to do, Thanks!
This was a very helpful video. Takes some of the guess work out of buying milling chain.
nah. each video is a great bibliography for all of these youtubers. I love sending them here.
Thks this has been very helpful because
I'm about to invest into a Alaskan mill setup thks
Thanks for this, just started on a 42" Doug Fir with an oregon 11degree ripping skip chain, 59" bar on a MS880 ..its slow going ..got to clear under the side cover as fine dust builds up over the clutch cover. Will see how we go.
Fantastic content! Thank you
Excellent information!
really interesting. very good test.
Excellent, thank you.
Thanks for sharing this.
Thanks for sharing 👍 That was Awesome 👌
I like an SC 10deg, rakers cut down to a little more aggressive than normal, cuts to the smoothness i want for rough lumber. Usually only a single pass through the planner for a finished look. Cutting mostly DF, Pondo, and Blk Oak - Husky 595, 460 455, 18-42 bars, Granberg mills w winches - Northern Ca Sierras Great video !
Love your videos! My only criticism if any is how much time we have to wait for the next one!
I agree!!
Well sit back and get ready. Warm weather is on the way and as soon as I can get the big orange tent set up, I can resume editing here on the property. They’ll be coming a lot faster before you know it!
@@survivingringworm2202 awesome!!!!
@@survivingringworm2202 Right On! I am getting cool ideas for my place out in the middle of nowhere from watching your videos!
Been playing with types and angles without results I like(slow cutting. rough cut) This video gives me a bench mark? to try different angles. Great video.
Thanks for putting in the time and effort here. I'm wondering how a 0deg. semi-chisel would go. Looking at how close the 30deg sc was to the 0deg full chisel, I really wonder. Of course I'm sitting on 100 feet or more of Archer sc milling chain ;)
Seriously. Your handle alone is good enough for me. Killer. All the best. Good stuff.
Awesome worm, thanks for sharing
Perfect fit for my Echo CS-370, and the chain cuts very well th-cam.com/users/postUgkxBd8qUztQUCL8Rm1-aIig5ViBT2E_kO_6 . I had been using a Stihl chain that I had sharpened several times (sometimes at a shop, sometimes with my own electric chain sharpener), and there's no comparison -- the new chain cuts much better and holds its edge longer. We'll see how the new chain holds up when it needs sharpening, but for now I'm happy.
Great info.
best rip chain ive had for speed is a home maid grandburg style with half skip. full chiz. and yes requires more sharpening but cuting eastern white pine get 4 20in wide 8ft long cuts before needs a sharpening. nice video.
Granberg now recommends a 10 degree bevel on all teeth on their ripping chains. just got done using a granberg ripping chain for the first time and the cuts are surprisingly smooth. I normally run a chisel chain.
Man dude that was fabulous. I bought a Granberg milling chain. I guess ill use that until i can't resharpen it anymore, then ill just switch to regular semi chisel chains at 30°, which i have a lot of those already. They're cheaper, easier to sharpen, provide a better finish, and seem to last about as long based on your tests. Thanks a bunch man!
Very very interesting. Wonder which chain cuts more board ft before sharpening.
Thank you very much 😁
Can you run the test one more time and make each cut 3’ with the speed test (you may need to get all new chains and a long log) but it’s scientifically worth it........totally worth it! Then if you could place a sheet of rice paper along the board and lightly rub a pencil over it..... I don’t think we will be able to rest or feel at all satisfied till we conduct this one final series of tests.......just saying...
But wow. What a pain in the ass test. Informative for sure......but always makes me wonder if the average viewer thinks about all of the effort.......nice job.. as always
This one was out of the park on taking it for the team!
Listen, I don’t need everyone to say “poor Ryan. He sure suffered for that one.”
But I do appreciate one person commenting on what a pain in the ass it must have been to do. It’s funny, I didn’t even really care about the outcome- I was curious at most- but I felt it might have been my one chance in this life to add something to the Internet that wasn’t already there.
Stay tuned for a future video. Rice paper is on order.
@@survivingringworm2202 - pretty much all your vlogs add more to the internet than any of the "self-righteous", "know-it-all" types...
@@survivingringworm2202 mission accomplished
Love this!
Pretty interesting, I guess the tension on the chain would vary as well , but all in all that was a pretty telling demonstration, nice job man! Thanks for the effort, I'm sure it wasn't a blast changing them out every couple of feet lol
I'm sure all types of chain have around the same tension
@@ruthl1scrusader325 I said tension, when I meant "resistance" brain fart on my part lol sorry bout that
nice video very informative !!
Good video, thankyou
I am grad you made this video,I learned something today that was very informative ❤️🏡😊😺🐶
Thanks! Got my mill last month and am using a full chisel and a 36" bar. Noe I know the difference in the smoothness. I noticed your not using the nose clamp on the barfor your mill.guessing that the short bar wouldn't need it as mutch. Besides the 36" I also have a 20" for smaller diameter trees.
Good intell. Thank you
Nice trailer!!
Thank you!
Bout time, right?
Hey there, great vids. Could you do one showing how to sharpen chains 30 15 and 0 degree? Also how to file down the depth guide. Thanks a lot!
I really like this video thanks
Excellent
only ran 404 chain after snapping a smaller chain at 3/4 throttle....it was scary as heck! Modded chains to have 10 deg or ran granberg ripping chain, had triangle file originally... I always granberg jigged my chains so they didnt dive or climb in rips and rounded back chain is more forgiving but you can run firewood chain right outa the box and work fine just need to keep rpm and feed rate simular and will cut nice slabs IMOP....nice work mate like yer vids
You confirmed my thinking . I was thinking a full chisel ground at 0 and 8 tooth sprocket on bur oak would be the best bit more rpm ...
The answer to any question ever asked is "it depends..." 😄 I chuckle when people ask "what is the best (whatever)?" I answer it depends on what you want to achieve.
The "best" for one person is not gonna be the best for someone else.
It's like that movie City Slickers where the secret to happiness is that ONE thing, but that ONE thing is different for everyone.
Well...I kinda went off the deep end with that ...lol
“You mean your finger?”
Absolutely agree. “The best” seldom means the best for YOU. It’s often synonymous with “most expensive.”
I prefer to consider “the best for the price and for what I’m doing.”
@@survivingringworm2202 True Dat!
Impressive work squeezing a “City Slickers” reference into a backwoods milling video. Props.
@@FritchFritch ;-) It was that or the Conan "What is best in life" reference...lol
I just realized that I made a city slickers reference in the new video coming out in a couple days. Must have been on my mind from somewhere...
Great video and thanks for taking the time. Granberg has my mill in the mail as I type. One thing I am wondering about is the raker hight. Not so much for chain sharpness life, but smoothness. Thanks-K
I would stay right around 25-30 thousandths your standard Oregon depth gauge tool is set to do 25. I would just use that and then make sure to reshape the depth guide a little to make it not perfectly flat just round the front edge a little.
Totally agree with John. Though I must admit that I regularly forget to round of the leading edge of the rakers after I knock them down (with the bench grinder/sharpener.)
And that probably doesn’t help anything when it comes to making nice boards or the efficiency of the cut.
I just point that out because I noticed in the video that NONE of the chains I used had rounded rakers.
Oops!
Nice test. 👍
The long bar also introduces more bar sag and poorer cuts than the proper length bar for the specific log. Great content today Amigo.
Good point.
Since I’ve never used a big saw/long bar, I guess I’ve never come across that problem but makes total sense.
Thanks again
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Very informative. Yeah all were not new but all the info on the different degrees and so forth was really good and I am sure you have honed your sharpening skills with all the logs you have milled into boards. What was the brand of the chainsaw mill again? I want to look into it. I had an alaskan chainsaw mill years ago and it wasn't user friendly and was a royal PITA so I sold it.
It’s the smallest mill made by Granberg.
I sharpen with a super cheap, electric grinder I got from amazon. Works great!
thanks enjoyed
Wow. That 30 degree semi-chisel is a very close second. And it is still a chain you can use for crosscut work. Maybe if I put 30 degree semi-chisel on my Husky 385XP I can do milling or firewood and not worry about special chains.
Here's an idea to get bigger logs onto your sawbuck. Lash three 4" diameter poles/logs together to make a tall tripod, hang your snatch block from it, and use the winch to lift the log up, or at least one end of it, then put the sawbuck under it.
Thanks @throngcleaver for this bit of advise.
Good Video
Information appreciated
Nice to see the variation of chain use .
How about a spiral stairs going up to the sky deck ?
Thanks for sharing.
Spiral stairs are being considered!
Great, great video. I was trying to find info about that archer chain. Didn't find to much. Great comparison. Have you tried a Granberg and sharpen all teeth at the same angle? Those waves could be because of different degrees of teeth.
I haven’t tried changing the granberg. From what I’ve found, sharpening a semi-chisel to lower angles tends to rip up the board more. Maybe changing the granberg to all 30 degree angles would be better?
Hey Ringworm... Have you tried to sharpen your Granberg ripping chain's "scoring cutters"? From what I was reading they are a harder steel that hand files don't work well on - and thus they recommend more than a hand file? And while I'm at it, do you hand file all your chains or do you use a tool? Thanks, and I'm really enjoying your videos/
Hey Ryan. My name is rick from uk. Loving your vlogs and your sence of humour. I think I get your your sence of freedom too. This episode was a little past my understanding as don't own a chainsaw but still found it informative should that situation ever change. I am fascinated with your builds and love the fun with the crazy subjects of them but some how see the brilliance of them, should i be worried!!.
My real reason for sending this comment today is how are you financing yourself I notice you don't as yet have a patrion site. This is something I would love to donate too should this become a reality. Please keep your most exelent work up, looking forward to the next instalment hope your fun continues all the best Rick from uk
Hey Rick. Thanks for the comment.
Funny, I donate to a couple podcasts via patreon but still don’t know anything about it. I finance this project by...well, I don’t really finance it. I just came out here for an unknown amount of time to see how long it would be fun. At the last minute I bought a GoPro to shoot a couple videos as keepsakes and for friends to see what was going on. Didn’t really expect to have a lot of people watching. I do teeter on the financial edge of being able to stay out here longer term but didn’t really think of that changing based on people watching/donating to the “cause.”
Guess I’ll have to do some research on Patreon. I don’t have much to offer donors in return other than making more videos...
Glad to hear you are enjoying them now and into the future, however long that might be!
The person that wins is the one that has the most fun!! Perfect!! I have milled alot of hardwoods here in michigan as well and a semi chisel at 10 degrees is great. I have also played with a full skip sequence chain and was impressed by the speed of the cuts that i got vs the full house chain. (Normal driver cutter sequence). If you got some larger lumber to mill let me know i head up to the Munising area a few times a year and would love to mill some cedar as we don’t have any around here at all.
Nice! You must use a bigger saw? I wanted to try a skip-tooth but they don’t make them for such a little saw/bar. I bet they fly on something with a lot of power.
But they must get dull a fair bit faster?
@@survivingringworm2202 i get a tank of fuel and then some power sharpening i just hand file it right in the mill actually works real nice because the mill holds the bar in place. I got a holtsforna/farmertec 660 knock of saw. Closing out it together replaced some parts even with his time i payed him i think a little over 300 for it i think.
Wow. Great deal. If this thing ever wears out, I’ll definitely have to go bigger but the dealer assures me, it’ll last for a lot of years.
We’ll see about that.
Love your videos, I also have 80 ac in the up near escanaba , wondering if you are going to bring your little tractor to your camp site to help do the heavy lifting. Good luck for Mr mike.
Rite on bro that’s what I found too take care be safe happy cutting
Milled alot of wood, if you can mill downhill...makes a big difference, not always possible slabbing big yellow cedars out in the bush but if you have them at home definitely makes HUGE difference. I have a copy of chainsaw lumbermaking if you cant find on like everyone else...its out of print but AWESOME
thanks again for the great info. I think the way for me to go is to take my box of used chains and grind them to near zero to 10 degrees. Just starting out with small logs and my 18" saw until I can afford a big Stihl!!
I think that’s a good plan. As long as they are full chisel. Semi-chisel ground to closer to zero just seem to chew up the wood.
I got myself a 661 with a 36 inch bar, but now I need a mill attachment.
I bought some 325 50 gauge granberg chain and it came with all cutters at 10 degrees. The Half width and full width all the same. So did they change their angles?
Good info. I would be curious to know, especially since I know very little about chainsaws and chains, how much board feet can you mill before having to switch chains?
Not sure exactly but I think that log that I was cutting in the video- roughly 4-5 boards before it slows way down, the bar gets hot and the saw starts sucking down a lot of gas.
I’d like to see you make the sawhorses that you mill on and the winch modification you did on the mill please
Any idea why my oregon milling chain tilts down in the bar when milling?it causes the cut to dive and in turn wedges the bar. Not to mention wearing the paint off the bar and putting a bur on it.