Unless IS changes how they handle demotes in the future, then every single new demote we get will enter the 3-4 star pool after their banner ends. Outside of Altena and seasonal banners, 4-5 star summonable units effectively don't exist anymore.
Im okay whit the list, just wanted to say that some players sleep on Mordecai, is the -smite king- and can help those Broadleaf fan+ users, blade tomes and has hp enough to carry infantry pulse to support even more.
Mordecai is awesome, the Smite debuffs can also help Corrin F and Saizo can some instant stat gains without having to wait for their smoke effects to kick in~ Also, Smite in general is just one of the best movement assists for AR-O, and Mordecai being the best at that is definitely great
Speaking with potential in mind, I beleive Altena is an S tier. She is a flier with built in Lull attack def 5 and has 170 BST at plus 10 with a super boon in spd. She is essentially a flying armored unit with access to Guard bearing. She will be really good in Astra season as a dc tank whenever the other two hero’s come out.
Aww snap, I forgot Guard Bearing became a thing. That's definitely HUGE for a unit like Altena. She definitely might be able to make the jump into S tier now, she's super good for sure
@Ishan Phadte [Student] You have a point with guard bearing as elusive as it might be. However I'd argue steady stance or sturdy stance are way better since they have the guard effect which is very very important since walls like Altena will get doubled and possibly smacked by a special. But no units like Faye and Alm will still smack her even if they don't ohko her, they will certainly leave a mark on her. Point is that Lukas and Mordecai have less weaknesses then her (and have more skills they can learn at that for being infantry) and that goes quite a long way when your role is tanking
Ishan Phadte [Student] Altena 100% still has a bow weakness using that move set. The most threatening archers right now, LAlm, is very fast, and his second shot won't get reduced by bearing, L!Leif who uses brave bow, or LChrom who she can't feasibly take out in one round and thus can be danced to cause trouble. She can't even counter due to using Impact and not DC.
Just a note on Mae + Lilina: Mae has Death Blow 3 on her base effect, while Lilina has it on her Refine. Therefore Lilina will always have Chill Res 3 if she opted for a different refine aside from DB. Just want to point that out because Mae has the option of some extra Atk or Spd with Death Blow while Lilina does not.
Yes, that's another thing I should have brought up. You can go +Spd or +Atk refine on Mae to squeeze in some more stats if you don't want to take the support route and use Link skills. Mae is just really good, I use her basically all the time in AA. I'd have ranked her higher from the start, but somehow I felt like I was biased on my opinions of her because I don't really see too many others building her up or using her all that much.
At 18:17 you said Saizo debuffs when he initiates combat, but it's actually just after combat so it works on both phases (and I'm pretty sure that's how Corrin F's works as well)
And Panic affected bonuses trigger their refines too, so Saizo has absolutely no reason to run any other skill than Panic Smoke, and Corrin would also make good use of it (unless you have someone else with Panic Ploy/Sudden Panic already, of course)
She's not a common unit that I see tbh, I could totally be sleeping on her hard. I'd love to see some decked out Athenas in action so I can form a better opinion on her! Built in Wo Dao and Desperation is a cool refine for sure, she's definitely got potential to move up in the tiers
Again another great tier list, pretty much everything sits right with me, the other things I'd maybe change are Leon and Tethys. Both I guess are AR based reasons now that I look back on it but thought worth mention or food for thought I guess? Tethys was like a good dancer before but I think she's the best f2p dancer (outside of Peony) now since the introduction of Mila, and the fact she has Temari dagger. Since high hp isin't enough to protect your dancer anymore, I think the melee dancers like Sylvia and Ninian lose a little value since its easier to bait them, and the AI patterns for movement in AR make me favour Tethys more. Temari is just really good support but you can also run things like Ouch pouch on infantry pulse teams to let her get a insta glacies, so even if she is isolated she still makes a dent in whatever comes her way. Plus considering the other dagger dancers we have don't really compare idk maybe it's just me but I feel she's good enough for S tier. As for Leon, I'd probably say A, S might be pushing it but theres two reasons I think go overlooked. One his refine stats actually work in the enemy phase as well, he just gets extra insurance in the player phase is a better way to look at it, it's sad he doesnt get res but I think you can kinda over look it with the right build, which leads me to point two, hes basically a colourless, budget Igrene. If you think about it, at +atk he matches a neutral igrene, and while she has a higher base atk stat, shes also red locked so will always struggle vs blues. The secondary effects of their weapons also give/take stats, however igrene is a speed check, and Leons is HP, which in a AOE set HP is often irrelevant, and speed is often lost in favour of more atk. But while speed can be debuffed through a chill, hp can't besides Duma and no one really uses Duma and healing towers exist in AR. So Leon makes a really good Physical AOE spammer, with hardy bearing since he has slaying effect built in. Then thanks to his impact effect he can work like Kagero in a sense too, being able to prevent being slaughtered , and allow allies to WOM their way in. It can be said a physical AOE is worse in some cases, though I think in light season when everyone is stacking res def gets left open, so I think he has a niche.
Yeah, fantastic points man! The high HP dancer thing is starting to get phazed out little by little, at least in Light season due to Mila. Tethys is super versatile and can be played offensively with Ouch Pouch, The Cleaner, or Broadleaf Fan so she can deal some nice damage herself, or more support style with Temari for debuffs. Hell, she could even run Ouch Pouch and ramp herself into Miracle if you've got enough IP support on the team. And Leon too, his impact effect is great for AR-D setups. I didn't want to jump him up 3 tiers in one go though, that would have been super awkward 😅 Lets see what other people have to say about Leon before deciding whether or not to push him into A tier~
I feel Mordecai is not a S tier because there isn't any inheritable Movement Assist Skill that score as well as Double Rallies. Without Movement Assists, Mordecai only has a Def+3 Wo Dao weapon, and the +10 damage only triggers when transformed. To use his debuffing ability, you would need Lucina or Chrom for their Prf Assist skill.
It'd be really cool to have some builds up during each character's explanation, maybe some comparisons with their competition to really show how the higher tier units shine. Also not totally convinced Eirika is B tier with her reverse drive skill, she's got a lot of uses with that skill plus her balanced stats.
I mean, she kind of hit the jackpot with it. The possibility of a +14 boost in all stats (panic affected buffs COUNT towards the bonuses) is just incredible. With a Threaten or Ploy Res and her weapon's debuffs combined she can one round Legendary Julia.
Felicia doesnt deserve this 😔. Buff felicia.... She'll alwayd be s tier in my book. Queen of tanking mage units until she isnt because new mage units are busted.....
The fact that Matthew is B tier is kinda nuts. He might not have the best stats compared to other daggers but having broadleaf as a refine is crazy good, especially when the point of merging 3-4 star units is because they are accessible, as compared to having to pull for SLillina to give broadleaf to a "better" dagger like Sothe.
I agree with everything here actually! Glad to see Seth, L'onqu, and Abel in B tier since they are some of my favorite fire emblem characters, and I built all three of them! Really solid units with the right builds!
Honestly the 3 OG Colored dragons (Tiki, Nowi and Fae) are so outdated that they're not worth it nowadays, they don't even have the speed like Corrin to back up their bulk I'd put Shanna, Nanna and Priscilla up a tier since they're excellent AR units
I have a Reyson on hand, plus 6 books of him. I haven't looked at builds for him yet, but I have been growing my collection of him. And last night I began my Tharja project since I need to spend time building up my grails again.
I got many very quickly and I +10'd him before he went from 4-5 stars to 3-4 stars. He's really good with Fury, Wom and Double Drive Atk. My Reyson at +SPD +10 with that build is at 42/51 (53 when transformed)/48/31/33. He's great at tanking the occasional hit and his decent Atk/Spd allow him to double and either kill/chip some units
I still submit that Nino needs to go down lol (I'd honestly put her in B at this point in 2020). I think I said that last time, haha. She's not that good anymore. Lull skills and Legendary Julia and her over-reliance of g duel infantry make her unusable. She's not good in AR either. Tharja has a much better pref which helps her be more relevant still. I pretty much agree with the rest of the list though :) I agree Mordecai, Sheena, Gwen, Donnel, etc. all needed to go up! Maybe Resplendent Cordelia can go to S, but that is nit-picking. Good job!
Echinda definitely one of the best merges in the game right now and Eliwood too. I mean my Eliwood is at +10 and he destroys everything, the color doesn't even matter to him, lmao.
@@venomaniakou So my build is kind of expensive but if you have Fodder for it: Weapon: Your choice, Slaying Axe+, Huge Fan+, etc. +Res or +Spd works because she works both insanely well. Positional: Any Rally Up skill or Harsh Command+. A Slot: Atk/Spd Bond 4 (My choice) but if you plan to run her in Arena, an expensive A slot skill is necessary. B: Close Call/Repel 3. Since Echidna is one of the fastest Axe Infantry, one of these skills is a must, but if you don't have fodder for it run Chill Def. C Slot: Your choice, but the safest option is just to run Drive Atk. S: My choice is Chill Def but it's also your choice. That's it really, i hope this helps you
Oboro is slept on, Double close def with bracing stance 3 is like +18 def/res and guard, with armor effectiveness. Build her with +res and QR and nothing melee is killing her and anything armor is getting deleted.
Tailtiu could be S tier material, there was a lot of support for her to be moved up. Its pretty uncanny for tome units to have a Wrath effect, so I could totally see Tailtiu being an S tier option with Special Spiral and Wrath abuse. But Mae made the jump to S tier because she's pretty much just a blue Lilina, with an arguably more useful Link skill refine as opposed to Chill Res which can be ran on anybody as a seal now.
@@tacho9427 Tailtiu with (the build ill post a bit below to make it easier) does hit super hard, since her special proc will be doing a guarenteed 15 damage and then whatever Luna chooses to add onto it. Its pretty expensive but it does show its worth on her, plus she has a way to get over guard with her Wrath/Time Pulse active at the same time Tailtiu +10 +Atk Tome of Thoron (+eff) Luna Flashing Blade 4 Desperation Time Pulse Swift Sparrow
Having Chill Res in your Prf is great, specifically so you do not have to waste a seal or B-slot on that skill. It lets your magic units hit harder, while simultaneously giving you more freedom in terms of build options. I wouldn't consider that a downside to Lilina at all.
I can attest to how god-like Mustafa is as a merge project because I managed to +10 him while the Awakening banner was still going. My build has an attack boon (though a def boon could work too), a def refine Huge Fan+ from groom Hinata, Aether, distant foil from Rinkah (Though distant counter works for a mixed tank build), lull atk/def from the duo Ephraim banner (Though something like renewal or atk/def link could also work in the B slot), rouse atk/def from S! Sylvain (potentially replaceable with something like a smoke skill, panic ploy, or infantry pulse), and a quick riposte sacred seal. As you can tell, my gimmick with this build is being a pure physical wall. There is hardly a single physical unit in the game outside of some of the stronger sword units that can deal any meaningful damage to him. Because of the special cool down charge from the Huge Fan+ alongside quick riposte, he is very likely to pop an aether during every engagement assuming the opponent doubles, which isn't very hard to do considering his 30 base speed at +10. I have to be careful not to let enemies target his resistance, considering base 32 isn't very high, but I have res tanks that can fight mages and dragons for him. Overall, this man has been my savior for completing some of the tougher game modes and was worth every piece of fodder I put into him.
Looks like it'll last at least 3 shots from igrene first shot splash damage from blazing wind 2nd shot after mirabalis dance buff and debuff and direct blazing wind then 3rd shot 1x reg. Atk. Seems pretty bulky haven't seen a +10 mu though.
Best mentality to have 👌 Don't sweat arena or AR or anything like that if it doesn't interest you. Its a game, just have as much fun with it as possible!
I do think Nana is very prime material for S tier just because having the ability to use cav movement with the utility of staves is incredible. Sure they don't usually do much damage but the utility provided by multiple staves in the game (Panic,Witchy,Gravity etc) is immense especially with the safety staff units are provided through dazzling staff. Nanna is still a good staff project just through that alone.
Also, as an aside, I made a 40+3 Berkut...... and he's actually really awesome for a free unit who requires almost no investment other than DC and Quick Riposte 3. I was pretty happy I just had 4 copies laying around, I figured why not? There are not that many tanky blue lance cavs in the game that are actually good.... Death Knight is pretty much the only one. But Berkut is super consistent and doesn't rely on a gimmick to be effective, so Berkut is actually pretty awesome as far as tanky blue lance cavs go. I'm actually pretty impressed with him - he's just as good as Mordecai or Altena or whatever and I like him a lot better than Death Knight, even though I admit Death Knight is a little stronger if his pref is activated (but is much worse than Berkut if it's not activated). I'm going to use him in pve quests and such when I need a cav unit, and I'm sure he'll help in the new thief catching mode.
@@tacho9427 Definitely! I'm really happy we have him in the game now. F2p/budget players really needed a tanky blue lance cav! Also, did you see the new gamepress tier list? I surprisingly find myself agreeing with it. They FINALLY started lowering armors and dragons. A year late, but it now actually reflects the experience we've been having in the game :P Also, they finally bumped OG Seliph to tier 2! Been saying it since his refine! They finally listened! He used to be tier 4 or 5 :/ They also put legendary seliph in tier 3 - kind of what I thought too - didn't think he was better than Ares - they got them in the same tier. I kept one copy of Seliph for collector purposes - he looks cool and I will use him from time to time, but I foddered my second one to Berkut :P
I vouch for Corrin to rise to A. Her refine is AMAZING. Panicked bonus DO affect her refine, so she can potentially get +14 stats (and so can Saizo as well, get him up too). This also means that the regular Harsh Command means jack shit to both of them, and in fact can only worsen the situation after the Threaten debuffs get added again on the next round. Plus, I a shitty unit like Nowi is on A, there is NO excuse for the better blue dragon to be there.
I would probably move Lilina and Mae down to A. Lilina is just so outclassed that even at max potential Lysithea outclasses her at +0. I would not say Lilina is something you would ever really need. Shes a fine unit but I wouldnt put her above any of the white wings really not to mention Lilinas only real use is in generic maps really. Just not worth the investment compared to the other unique units. An argument could be made for her being in IP defense teams which she will do alright in but I still wouldnt say shes S tier. As for Mae shes in a similar boat. Link is alright and it can be used in AR offense but it would probably be better to use someone like Corrin who provides invisible buffs which can provide buffs when a panic manor is in effect. I would probably put her above Lilina but both dont really have a place in the competitive modes.
Generic maps are a big deal for some though, I think stuff like Abyssal content and Chain Challenges shouldn't be overlooked. That's the main reason why Tharja, Nino and Reinhardt still stand in S tier. Its still super easy to solo clear most of the PvE content in the game with them. And besides that, they still work just fine in AR-D on IP setups. So I wouldn't say they are completely unviable in there
Not unviable but easyly replaced with new units at 0 merges which now with the spark system on the new Heros banners and reruns with 130 -140 orbs you are guaranteed to get them with neutral IVs even as a FTP so by that if a merge proyect is easyly replaced by new units at 0 merges then for me they are not really worth It when that feathers invested in Mae or Lilina could be used in better units with uniques niches like base Eliwood , female Corrin , Echidna, the Pegasus sisters , Norne , etc in the 3 or 4 star pool to fill holes that my teams might be missing and that a single copy of a new unit wont fill
I agree with 99.9% of the list except Jeorge placement, hes the Vantage archer for excellence, u can run him double sparrow, life and death savage blow and u will nuke almost everything ranged. His Parthia refine is very underrated too, he can stack a lot of atk on player phase alone if u decide to go double death blow, he will be a pseudo Lilina against ranged but without the triangle advantage penalties. Completely underrated but great list, love your vids thx for the hard work 🙌 (Waiting for Soleils refine to see her skyrocket all the way to S tier and say "Soleil is here" 🤩)
I feel like Hinata should be either in the b tier or in his own tier as a sign of respect for all the times he was killed for Fury. Also I don't see any issues with the tier list and I feel like the healer cavs could stay on the tier B because to me besides AR there is no other mode where they are really good.
By that logic, Valbar, Sheena, Gwendolyn should all drop a tier as they have no use in AR. They are primary score sticks, else they are a liability since they have no movement options and depend on team support.
I think everyone's placement is overall fine. Bartre, Oboro, and Merric might be a little low. They don't score as high for something like arena, but in the case of Oboro and Bartre, they do have value as armor killers in something like Arena Assault, and in the case of Oboro, she has a salvagable res stat with a +res boon. In the case of Merric, don't forget he has access to Dark Excalibur, making him the budget nuke option over Sonya in Aether Raids. With the refine and an IP team, you only need to get 1-2 IP users on the chain above him to let him fire off a powerful Bonfire/Ignis thanks to the -2 on Turn 1 from Dark Excalibur and the +10 True Damage. Also his HP is high enough to where he could run IP himself. I think Merric is at least worthy of B tier. Edit: AoE specials would also be great on him due to the +10 true damage. Helps counter B!Ikes that aren't running Repel/Close Call. I do wanna mention that with Corrin, even though she has the dragon weakness, she does have adaptive damage against range foes, so that's something worthy to note. Also you can run Aversa with her(or Saizo) in Aether Raids since most teams still have all their units huddled together, which turns her weapon on immediately without having to do anything, and will go further thanks to the Panic effect if the defense team is using visible buffs. Mordecai also makes a great teammate for her. I don't know if that's enough for her to go to A tier. She, like my girl Eirika, have a high ceiling, but really need the team to pull it off.
Bartre and Oboro have some solid usability for stuff like AA where they can be great counter picks for enemy armored units. I can see them possibly getting a push into B tier, they're not bad at all. Maybe a little mid, but that's what B tier is, right? 😛 Merric can work great with all the special ramping he gets. Him stealing Sonya's refine was pretty great, I've been wrecked by a +10 Mirror Impact Merric before! My only problem with him is his base atk just blows, but I guess its not the biggest deal when most of his damage is coming from specials anyway, and with Impacts and solid overall defenses (at least with Mirror Impact) it can be difficult to one shot him on the counter. Then comes the WoM shenanigans, so Merric definitely might be worth bumping up a tier. Great comments 👍
Mae is similar to Odin in support effects. I don't consider the Arthur's refine so good (he still get the debuff effects). Felicia and Jakob should be in level C. Saizo is a super debuffer that could be in level B. Cecilia is not the best Green Cavalry Tome. And thats all, thanks for give us this type of videos...
Pretty good list: For constructive criticism, I'd say to create a new tier between A and B tier to reduce some of the bloat there. Also, while I understand your argument for moving up Mae, I'd say that she competes with Reinhardt for 3-4* blue tome and I'd rather merge up Reinhardt than Mae right now because of movement and applications in Cav Line, mixed defenses and HnR teams compared to Mae on Infantry Pulse defense teams. Lilina is unique in that she is the best 3-4* red tome.
I'm currently working on Tanya since I already have 8 copies of her. I was idiot and didn't realize how good her speed already was and turned my +Atk copies into manuals. Hopefully I can get another one in a reasonable amount of time. I gave her the Candlewax Bow, Moon Bow, Brazen Atk/Spd 4, Desperation, Time's Pulse and Brazen Atk/ Spd SS. She should turn out great once I have the feathers and last three copies.
We are dudes, Mustafa is a Man. Also I'd like to suggest upvoting Female Corrin to A because you can build her very well very easily (other than the Duel skill) and you can really premium her up too.
@@Hailstormful if only trading was possible, I have 6 laying around waiting to be foddered (plus one I kept around and two more I already foddered to Nino and LMarth)
Im at over 800k feathers so I'll probably work on a unit to +10, probably won't use them that much. Probably going to merge tanya because I just like her more then norne. Would like to finish my reyson (+6) but gatcha says no, same with mordecai (+3) I really should make more +10 units, i only have 5 and 4 of those are blue
I started playing this game in March. I’ve been loving it. I still don’t have any +10s, but when I have 5 more Corrins, my F Corrin will be my first 10 (currently +5). I’ve gotta say, her refine has made her seem SOOOOOOOOO good. You should make a showcase on her Tacho. My next +10 will probably be Eliwood
Absolutely! I'm not trying to discourage anybody from building whoever they want. This list is just a guideline for people who want it. But 100% have fun, build your favorites, its way more satisfying when you win with those 😉
@@tacho9427 Thats the best part of feh to be honest, you can upgrade your skills and keep up with the powercreep, even if you will always have a lower bst... but that forces a bit more of strategy, making stuff a bit harder and more fun
Female Corrin is only worth merging to a +10 only if unlock their potential and when give her the merge stats because Female Corrin at only level 40 is hopeless against a brave lady Lyn but when she gets her merge stats she becomes a slaughterhouse whit her new weapon refine gloom breath and maybe give her wrath 3 Aether panic ploy and maybe give her an attack seal because why not
im going to vouge for altena being in a tier she may not have the bst for arena but as a unit shes amazing she is easily mergeable and has a wep that free's he b slot for almost anything, she has stats in the right spot making her able to compete with some infantry red units.
I know you think Roy is good with resplendent buffs. But what about WITHOUT resplendent buffs? What about for the people who CANNOT afford or don't want to buy Feh pass? I THINK imo assuming Feh pass in this list is dumb. Like what if a player can't afford it or don't want it? Feh pass honestly feels like optional extra flavor. I mean look at me. I haven't tried Feh pass again since the first month and most likely not gonna buy it again until one of my favorites gets a resplendent alt.
Roy is still good even without it, but I will admit that the extra +2 Speed was super clutch on him though I guess resplendent units shouldn't be a factor in this list, but even with that being said, Eliwood would remain in S tier anyway lol. He's just that insane
There is always going to be some contention around tier lists. It's been a while since I watched one of these from you, but last time I felt like it was pretty solid. But I'm going to share some unpopular opinions. Mordecai and Reyson don't have high value as +10 units. Reyson's 200 SP dance skill makes him the lowest scoring unit you could give G duel flying to. If you give him a rally + skill for arena, his +7 healing is not on par with support units like Soren imo and he can't keep his 3-Mov easily unless you have a full dragon/beast team. Likewise, Mordecai loses massive scoring using a position skill to activate his prf. Both Reyson and Mordecai do their job outside of arena just fine unmerged. The only mages worth +10 treatment are TA raventomes because they need the bulk for crazy units like Alm, Chrom, Leif and Bramimond. But 4*+10 is vastly cheaper and probably sufficient. Lilina, Reinhardt, Mae, Tharja and Nino don't have as much value at +10 compared to +1.
Scoring isn't the only criteria here, though! Its true that assists can be a scoring issue for Reyson and Mordecai, but they are just way too good as units to ignore as potential merge projects.
@@tacho9427 I understand that, but the value Reyson and Mordecai provide is wholly independent of how many merges they have, and for the reasons I outlined above, they're not great candidates for arena scoring imo. So what I'm asking is where is the value in merging them up?
@@shufukillah6772 4 extra Atk for damage, 4 extra Spd for doubling and extra bulk as well. With units like BIke running around and the hyperinflated stats of Abyssal maps every point counts.
He's great due to his easy access to a Broadleaf Fan dagger, but if you inherited the actual Broadleaf Fan on one of the other daggers, they can pretty much do the same thing as Matthew with better stat distribution 🙁
I'll admit that I don't heavily merge most units (I just have the dragon core at +10) so this is definitely out of my area of expertise. But I cannot see how Chrom and Frederick could possibly be worse than gen 1 daggers and healers. Effective vs dragon (Chrom) and effective vs armor (Frederick) offer more utility than pretty much the entire tier they're in right now on your list. Cavalry also have the emblem buffs, not to mention we have so few available axe cavalry beyond Titania so Frederick doesn't have as much competition as default Chrom does in the sword infantry category. Just my 2 cents.
With Corrin's refine, I've seen her EVERYWHERE in Arena and Arena Assault, making her a good candidate for S, and she has been proven a massive threat. But sadly now that her legendary version will powercreep her most powerful build to hell and back, A is probably the highest she will go.
I absolutely think the cavalry healers should be in A-tier, considering their usefulness for PVE and their utility in cav-lines. FYI, Mordecai has 167 BST - he does not need his Def superboon to reach the 170 BST bin. He can run whatever IV he wants as far as scoring is concerned. Also, while it's cool to see Barst get pushed up to a higher tier, I'm not sure why he's in a tier lower than Arthur? Is Arthur really that premium a unit that he would be considered better than Barst?
Yeah, I confused Mordecai and Altena's BST for some reason. She's the one who needs the superboon to get to 170, not him. And Arthur is tiered higher than Barst because he makes a nice infantry bait unit with all the stats he gains from his refine. He also has a Res superboon to boot. Barst does have a better damage ceiling though
+1 to Valbar staying in S tier. Wagasa being in the grail pool gives an easy way to convert BST units into supports. I've been running DC/WF/Panic w/ Wagasa on my +10 Effie for forever, if I didn't have so many projects, I'd replace her with Valbar.
He can be pretty devastating with full debuffs in play! I've started seeing a TON of people running a sneaky Harsh Command unit on their AR-D setups though, specifically to counter Duo Micaiah's Duo skill. That's going to hurt Saizo and Corrin F unfortunately since they are really reliant on the debuffs to make up the difference in stat gap they have compared to some of the newer units 😔
@@tacho9427 They are not that good 'cause they rely on debuffs and thats a gimmick i agree. The thing is i never expected Leila and Saizo to be that good in Ar Offense
Underrating Female Corrin's refine quite a bit IMO, deserves better than B, and Mae doesn't deserve S, but, some disagreement on this sort of thing is always inevitable :P Nothing else particularly jumps out at me being way off besides that (Other than perhaps Camilla, but with how hard fliers have fallen off, her being that low is understandable). Always a fun video type though, lots of good discussion.
Oh, Female Corrin’s Refine is freaking amazing! However her low BST still hinders her compared to Nowi. Not to mention we don’t have Def or Res Smoke as a Seal yet, so unless you have a dagger unit, she won’t be at her full potential. I feel like in order to make her go to A-Tier, she would need a Resplendent that way her stats can handle today’s meta, because there’s currently a lot of really fast units nowadays. Also yeah, why the hell is Mae in S-Tier? I don’t even use Talitu and I feel like she’s just overall 10x better than Mae.
@@xenoemblem8422 Yeah, Tailtiu is drastically superior to Mae. Tailtiu's damage can actually be virtually on par with Ophelia with the same build she always runs, if she can get her Wrath effect active. Owl effects in general are pretty trash these days - even if it's a good effect on paper, the positional requirements just make it a non-option. And, all fair points on Female Corrin. Still, Res Smoke is inheritable - though admittedly quite rare - and it's likely that we will get the other two Smokes as seals eventually. Resplendent will for sure help her as well. But, not like debuffs are a problem in AR (IMO, AR Light season is where she's most valuable), and while she has low BST, her refine puts her WAY ahead of Nowi in terms of overall utility. Nowi is unacceptably slow even with max investment these days, and Corrin getting +7 Atk (Potentially +14 if you have Res Smoke, or in the eventual case where she can run Res + Def Smoke via seal, or have Duo Micaiah or other debuffs, etc) puts her ahead in basically every meaningful regard. I ran Female Corrin in AR once this season as a test, and, she performed drastically better than I was expecting. I expected her to survive stuff fine (Mine does have Res Smoke), and while I did run her with Duo Micaiah, she was killing everything that attacked her even on turns where Dominance was no longer active. Just my thoughts!
Didn’t see my boi Sharp Soldier Lukas... I’m running his Daybreak Lance with the Sturdy Stance refine, Reposition, Ignis, Close Defence as the A slot, Guard as the B slot, (currently) Drive Speed as the C slot and Distant Defence as the Seal. He also has res+, the wind blessing, and is merged to +10 (which I got 2 days ago and is my first plus 10 pog) and Ally/Summoner Support both at S. (Paired with Emo Takumi) Also rocking the Hawk Guard accessory. I was wondering if I should inherit my neutral CYL Alm’s C skill on my Lukas (Threat. Attack/Speed) for the Drive Speed 2? Feedback, if any, would be a huge help, as I don’t wanna waste any units, especially 5 star ones 😅
I want to make a case for Niles to be moved up to at least B. He may have very low Atk, but his Prf and refine make him an AMAZING AoE spammer. Slaying and Flashing Blade in a single weapon are already enough, and the Shining effect is a nice bonus too. Give him Special Spiral and Pulse Smoke and he'll be spamming those AoEs. However, he still has his terrible scoring holding him back, so I feel A and S tier are off limits for him.
I feel like shigure should be where Catria is even without a prf weapon he is absolutely great and def a great 3-4 star flying galeforcer with slaying lance.
I built him as A galeforcer, swift sparrow 3 lull atk speed and defense smoke. I gave him steady blow 2 as a seal due to my swiftsparrow seal being already taken
I see Gordin over Klein. I have both, and enough copies to +10 both, but don't know which one would be better. Can't remember in which video you talk about them 😂. I really need a +10 archer, since I have none, but don't know who to build. I've heard Norne is one of the best, and see you put her un the S tier. Will you do this for the grail units too? Since Berkut got his refine, he became an immediate favorite and also a +10 project.
Yeah, the Grail unit tier list is going to be update fairly soon! I might wait for the next round of Tempest Trials or GHB units so we get some more material to add, but its definitely on my to-do list 👍
I genuinely think Soleil should be A tier off of her stat spread alone. Besides, she's probably going to get a refine sometime soon. Gotta start merging early to catch the refines
Looking at this list I have at least 25 more f2p units to build but sadly not enough feathers for all. My goal it to +10 almost every f2p unit, with some being expensive builds and others with basic builds.
That's a pretty big goal! Hopefully they keep increasing our feather payout and maybe even raise the Hero Merit cap again so we can get back to that feather grind
@@tacho9427 I've been begging for another HM cap but it hasn't happened yet. Right now, I'm just going to make a list on who should I +10 next, so I won't debate and regret it soon after.
She'll be getting a refine pretty soon I think, Eirika and Myrrh were in the same unit batch as her and they have their refines already. But basically, running her on a horse team with the Bladetome will give good results, ESPECIALLY in PvE modes. She's a fairly good unit for clearing maps
It’s a boosted stat increase in feh from them being trainee unit in there original game making them really weak at the start but generally growing into monsters if you carry them through, for example Donel is the only villager class in awakening
Think tiki nowi fae should all be demoted to B tier til they get prfs. As someone who has played around with cav healers too i think nanna and forrest hard outclass every other cav healer if not at least low A tier worthy they should both definitely be higher than the likes of priscilla and clarine
For Norne? You've got a bunch of options actually! Null-C Disrupt if you want to shut down staff and Firesweep units. Null Follow Up if you want to shut down Bramimond and Impact skill ranged opponents. Or Lull Atk/Def 3 for the consistent matchup against everybody. C slot should most likely just be Pulse Smoke for beating IP setups, or Atk Smoke for a more budget option.
I love using my Nowi, S supported and everything but it's hard to keep up with the insane power-creep. I pray she gets a good refine cause I am sick and tired of Lightning Breath.
@@AxismundusWorldtree Odin can do that to and that's a strategy you don't want to do since Smite doesn't score well in arena, also Odin's weapon makes him make more damage than Mae and is better for tanking making him better than Mae.
TacticalHelix I don’t think scoring in arena is the main reason units are in the tiers they’re in on the vid otherwise someone like Kagero wouldn’t be S tier since she doesn’t score well in arena
@@tacticalhelix Mae ranks a bit higher than Odin because she has a naturally good base atk value, and she goes for the one shot nuking with Death Blow stacking, making it harder to counter her with effects that negate active buffs. Odin is great and can get to a higher damage ceiling, but he can be countered by Lull skills and stuff
I have him as my summoner support unit and he’s really good. I gave him Life and Death 4 and he hits really hard and is an amazing anti ranged unit thanks to Parthia. I don’t think he should be in D tier because he is the only F2P unit aside from Kagero that has damage reduction. To me he should be at least in B tier since Rebecca and Tanya are there and if you do like me and decide to build him, Life and Death 4, vantage and double savage blow is a really solid build I think you won’t regret it, especially against mages and ranged foes in general. In case you decide to do so go for either +atk or +spd
There actually is no unit in the game, that can only be summoned as a 4⭐ unit. There are actually only 3 types of rarities, 5⭐ exclusive, 4-5⭐, (waiting to be demoted) and 3-4⭐ So if you know, a unit isn't available as a 5⭐, you know that you can summon him as a 3-4⭐. And all units, that they add as a 4⭐ Fokus on a banner become 3-4⭐ available after that fact
@@tacho9427 yes, she is currently available as the second type of rarity which I listed, she is summonable as a 4-5⭐, until the next massive wave of demotes comes around, demoting her to 3-4⭐. These are the units, which are not on a 4⭐ Fokus on their debut banner, but demoted afterwards (like Brady, Mordecai, Rayson, Ares and so on). These 4-5⭐ summons are available for some time until they all get demoted in around April of each year, which is why all of the ones I listed above are already demoted to 3-4⭐.
I have a question what Iv do I go for 3 S tier axe babes? (Ross is +spd with a huge fan, Mustafa and Echidna are +res) I want to build them and I'm not really sure for their iv. I kinda didn't want Ross to be so slow. Edit: I'll be going for +10 on Ross and Mustafa.
*Ross-* +Atk if he's for Arena (so he can oneshot Legendary Alms without Sturdy Impact) or +Res if its for AR *Echida-* +Spd if you plan to run Close Call/Repel, and +Res otherwise *Mustafa-* +Res IMO for the well rounded bulk, but feel free to go +Atk with him as well
@@tacho9427 Thank you very much. I'm more into AR then into Arena (I usually play arena once a week). If I get a Larcei (+spd and no -atk) I may go for a +spd Echidna. I mostly go for budget builds but if I like a unit I'll go in for them.
Personally I wouldn't put Mustafa or Ross anywhere near A tier. While decent in their own right, it's hard to say anything about their meta relevance. Echidna I can somewhat agree with, as her stats are fairly good across the board, but Mustafa and Ross don't stack up, and with increasing reliance on having at least OK speed, I can see them falling into irrelevancy with any shift in the meta that doesn't favour slower units. As well as that, considering the prospect of getting a demote axe infantry with a Prf makes it hard for me to say they're a good long term investment. Edit: Also you're major sleeping on Draug. Because you can run atk/spd form on him, he can easily abuse special fighter while being an incredible physical wall. Fast enough to avoid doubles, super massive defense, and he can make his attack do enough, especially when abusing specials as well as he can. I personally think he's better than Gwendolyn and Sheena.
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I think "hits like a feather" shouldn't be used as a term for low Atk units... since Caeda and her "Feather" Sword is something pretty good. lol
You have a point lol
So... hits like a wet paper bag? 😂
@@tacho9427 Hits like a wet paper bag works. lol
Incoming “Drenched Paper Bag” weapon
@@amyrose4ever157 lol
You can 3 star summon Mustafa I've got him 3 star multiple times
Nice! I wasn't sure so I didn't want to say any false information. Thanks for the heads up 👍
@@tacho9427 na it's ok there's nothing you probably didn't get him 3star
Unless IS changes how they handle demotes in the future, then every single new demote we get will enter the 3-4 star pool after their banner ends. Outside of Altena and seasonal banners, 4-5 star summonable units effectively don't exist anymore.
Odin will always be a S+ in my heart
My +9 Odin with 9 dragon flowers is happy to hear that:/
Odin is cool! Blade tome + Link skills, its real easy for him to get to max damage~
He does have that issue of super low base atk though 😐
I still use him as the omni-yeeter, still very effective, just not as a carry
Im okay whit the list, just wanted to say that some players sleep on Mordecai, is the -smite king- and can help those Broadleaf fan+ users, blade tomes and has hp enough to carry infantry pulse to support even more.
Also the only F2P infantry beast on the normal pool with a built in wo dao in his weapon and can soak atk/def chills
Mordecai is awesome, the Smite debuffs can also help Corrin F and Saizo can some instant stat gains without having to wait for their smoke effects to kick in~
Also, Smite in general is just one of the best movement assists for AR-O, and Mordecai being the best at that is definitely great
Yes, it's so good
He also scores high for arena if you can deal with taking off smite for a dual rally
Mordecai - Galeforce L!Edelgard combo is so dirty I could not agree more, use Mordecai
Speaking with potential in mind, I beleive Altena is an S tier. She is a flier with built in Lull attack def 5 and has 170 BST at plus 10 with a super boon in spd. She is essentially a flying armored unit with access to Guard bearing. She will be really good in Astra season as a dc tank whenever the other two hero’s come out.
Aww snap, I forgot Guard Bearing became a thing. That's definitely HUGE for a unit like Altena. She definitely might be able to make the jump into S tier now, she's super good for sure
I'd argue Lukas and Mordecai not having the bow weakness is a huge plus for them and makes them better def tanks then her tbh.
@Ishan Phadte [Student] You have a point with guard bearing as elusive as it might be. However I'd argue steady stance or sturdy stance are way better since they have the guard effect which is very very important since walls like Altena will get doubled and possibly smacked by a special. But no units like Faye and Alm will still smack her even if they don't ohko her, they will certainly leave a mark on her. Point is that Lukas and Mordecai have less weaknesses then her (and have more skills they can learn at that for being infantry) and that goes quite a long way when your role is tanking
Ishan Phadte [Student]
Altena 100% still has a bow weakness using that move set. The most threatening archers right now, LAlm, is very fast, and his second shot won't get reduced by bearing, L!Leif who uses brave bow, or LChrom who she can't feasibly take out in one round and thus can be danced to cause trouble. She can't even counter due to using Impact and not DC.
Yeah, Altena is pretty great. +Def is also a superboon for her by the way, which is nice.
Thanks for putting these together Tacho! Definitely helps my merge project list always 🙏🏽
I'm stuck on +9 hell for my Valbar. 😩 Great video my guy 👌
tacho you a homie man i wanted this vid for a while haha
Glad to help! I'll make sure to update the tier lists every time we get a good batch of new stuff to talk about 👍
Interesting to hear how you rank this. Very useful for Arena players
Just a note on Mae + Lilina: Mae has Death Blow 3 on her base effect, while Lilina has it on her Refine. Therefore Lilina will always have Chill Res 3 if she opted for a different refine aside from DB. Just want to point that out because Mae has the option of some extra Atk or Spd with Death Blow while Lilina does not.
Yes, that's another thing I should have brought up. You can go +Spd or +Atk refine on Mae to squeeze in some more stats if you don't want to take the support route and use Link skills. Mae is just really good, I use her basically all the time in AA. I'd have ranked her higher from the start, but somehow I felt like I was biased on my opinions of her because I don't really see too many others building her up or using her all that much.
@@tacho9427 I've seen a couple of them on Arena Assault, usually backed up by Chrom or Lucina because of obvious reasons.
At 18:17 you said Saizo debuffs when he initiates combat, but it's actually just after combat so it works on both phases (and I'm pretty sure that's how Corrin F's works as well)
And Panic affected bonuses trigger their refines too, so Saizo has absolutely no reason to run any other skill than Panic Smoke, and Corrin would also make good use of it (unless you have someone else with Panic Ploy/Sudden Panic already, of course)
Yeah, I'm aware it works on both phases. I have no idea why I said initiate here, lol...
My bad man
man, Athena being so low is kinda nuts....she's the best F2P user of close call/repel, making her a very good spd tank.
Exactly!
She's not a common unit that I see tbh, I could totally be sleeping on her hard. I'd love to see some decked out Athenas in action so I can form a better opinion on her!
Built in Wo Dao and Desperation is a cool refine for sure, she's definitely got potential to move up in the tiers
Again another great tier list, pretty much everything sits right with me, the other things I'd maybe change are Leon and Tethys. Both I guess are AR based reasons now that I look back on it but thought worth mention or food for thought I guess?
Tethys was like a good dancer before but I think she's the best f2p dancer (outside of Peony) now since the introduction of Mila, and the fact she has Temari dagger. Since high hp isin't enough to protect your dancer anymore, I think the melee dancers like Sylvia and Ninian lose a little value since its easier to bait them, and the AI patterns for movement in AR make me favour Tethys more. Temari is just really good support but you can also run things like Ouch pouch on infantry pulse teams to let her get a insta glacies, so even if she is isolated she still makes a dent in whatever comes her way. Plus considering the other dagger dancers we have don't really compare idk maybe it's just me but I feel she's good enough for S tier.
As for Leon, I'd probably say A, S might be pushing it but theres two reasons I think go overlooked. One his refine stats actually work in the enemy phase as well, he just gets extra insurance in the player phase is a better way to look at it, it's sad he doesnt get res but I think you can kinda over look it with the right build, which leads me to point two, hes basically a colourless, budget Igrene. If you think about it, at +atk he matches a neutral igrene, and while she has a higher base atk stat, shes also red locked so will always struggle vs blues. The secondary effects of their weapons also give/take stats, however igrene is a speed check, and Leons is HP, which in a AOE set HP is often irrelevant, and speed is often lost in favour of more atk. But while speed can be debuffed through a chill, hp can't besides Duma and no one really uses Duma and healing towers exist in AR. So Leon makes a really good Physical AOE spammer, with hardy bearing since he has slaying effect built in. Then thanks to his impact effect he can work like Kagero in a sense too, being able to prevent being slaughtered , and allow allies to WOM their way in. It can be said a physical AOE is worse in some cases, though I think in light season when everyone is stacking res def gets left open, so I think he has a niche.
Yeah, fantastic points man! The high HP dancer thing is starting to get phazed out little by little, at least in Light season due to Mila. Tethys is super versatile and can be played offensively with Ouch Pouch, The Cleaner, or Broadleaf Fan so she can deal some nice damage herself, or more support style with Temari for debuffs. Hell, she could even run Ouch Pouch and ramp herself into Miracle if you've got enough IP support on the team.
And Leon too, his impact effect is great for AR-D setups. I didn't want to jump him up 3 tiers in one go though, that would have been super awkward 😅
Lets see what other people have to say about Leon before deciding whether or not to push him into A tier~
I feel Mordecai is not a S tier because there isn't any inheritable Movement Assist Skill that score as well as Double Rallies. Without Movement Assists, Mordecai only has a Def+3 Wo Dao weapon, and the +10 damage only triggers when transformed.
To use his debuffing ability, you would need Lucina or Chrom for their Prf Assist skill.
It'd be really cool to have some builds up during each character's explanation, maybe some comparisons with their competition to really show how the higher tier units shine.
Also not totally convinced Eirika is B tier with her reverse drive skill, she's got a lot of uses with that skill plus her balanced stats.
This has nothing to do with the (amazing) content of the video, but your voice is so nice to listen to. 😄
Female Corrin shot up on the rankings just because of her refine
My first ever +10 is Mae, Cordelia coming up next at +8
F Corrin is imo too A tier ngl
I mean, she kind of hit the jackpot with it. The possibility of a +14 boost in all stats (panic affected buffs COUNT towards the bonuses) is just incredible. With a Threaten or Ploy Res and her weapon's debuffs combined she can one round Legendary Julia.
Felicia doesnt deserve this 😔. Buff felicia....
She'll alwayd be s tier in my book. Queen of tanking mage units until she isnt because new mage units are busted.....
I'd say try Shield Pulse or Close Call, but IntSys seems to have it against Dagger units...
Ratchet and Clank ost is under appreciated
The fact that Matthew is B tier is kinda nuts. He might not have the best stats compared to other daggers but having broadleaf as a refine is crazy good, especially when the point of merging 3-4 star units is because they are accessible, as compared to having to pull for SLillina to give broadleaf to a "better" dagger like Sothe.
I agree with everything here actually! Glad to see Seth, L'onqu, and Abel in B tier since they are some of my favorite fire emblem characters, and I built all three of them! Really solid units with the right builds!
Honestly the 3 OG Colored dragons (Tiki, Nowi and Fae) are so outdated that they're not worth it nowadays, they don't even have the speed like Corrin to back up their bulk
I'd put Shanna, Nanna and Priscilla up a tier since they're excellent AR units
I think Nowi still holds up fine but she does need a refine so she can get rid of Lightning Breath.
I have a Reyson on hand, plus 6 books of him. I haven't looked at builds for him yet, but I have been growing my collection of him.
And last night I began my Tharja project since I need to spend time building up my grails again.
I got many very quickly and I +10'd him before he went from 4-5 stars to 3-4 stars. He's really good with Fury, Wom and Double Drive Atk. My Reyson at +SPD +10 with that build is at 42/51 (53 when transformed)/48/31/33. He's great at tanking the occasional hit and his decent Atk/Spd allow him to double and either kill/chip some units
I still submit that Nino needs to go down lol (I'd honestly put her in B at this point in 2020). I think I said that last time, haha. She's not that good anymore. Lull skills and Legendary Julia and her over-reliance of g duel infantry make her unusable. She's not good in AR either. Tharja has a much better pref which helps her be more relevant still. I pretty much agree with the rest of the list though :) I agree Mordecai, Sheena, Gwen, Donnel, etc. all needed to go up! Maybe Resplendent Cordelia can go to S, but that is nit-picking. Good job!
Why would you put cordelia under nino lol
@@julengaldos4616 I agree, I think Cordelia is a lot better, definitely - especially now with Drive Bomb but she was better before that was released.
Echinda definitely one of the best merges in the game right now and Eliwood too.
I mean my Eliwood is at +10 and he destroys everything, the color doesn't even matter to him, lmao.
What to use to build an Echidna? Can you help me?
@@venomaniakou So my build is kind of expensive but if you have Fodder for it:
Weapon: Your choice, Slaying Axe+, Huge Fan+, etc. +Res or +Spd works because she works both insanely well.
Positional: Any Rally Up skill or Harsh Command+.
A Slot: Atk/Spd Bond 4 (My choice) but if you plan to run her in Arena, an expensive A slot skill is necessary.
B: Close Call/Repel 3. Since Echidna is one of the fastest Axe Infantry, one of these skills is a must, but if you don't have fodder for it run Chill Def.
C Slot: Your choice, but the safest option is just to run Drive Atk.
S: My choice is Chill Def but it's also your choice.
That's it really, i hope this helps you
18:45 You mean the gamepress mentality? For the longest time they didn't consider AR and had res as dump stat. It was pretty funny.
Oboro is slept on, Double close def with bracing stance 3 is like +18 def/res and guard, with armor effectiveness. Build her with +res and QR and nothing melee is killing her and anything armor is getting deleted.
Why isn’t Tailtiu in S tier if Mae is?
I'm guessing that visible buffs are more exploitable than invisible buffs.
Tailtiu could be S tier material, there was a lot of support for her to be moved up. Its pretty uncanny for tome units to have a Wrath effect, so I could totally see Tailtiu being an S tier option with Special Spiral and Wrath abuse. But Mae made the jump to S tier because she's pretty much just a blue Lilina, with an arguably more useful Link skill refine as opposed to Chill Res which can be ran on anybody as a seal now.
@@tacho9427 Tailtiu with (the build ill post a bit below to make it easier) does hit super hard, since her special proc will be doing a guarenteed 15 damage and then whatever Luna chooses to add onto it.
Its pretty expensive but it does show its worth on her, plus she has a way to get over guard with her Wrath/Time Pulse active at the same time
Tailtiu +10 +Atk
Tome of Thoron (+eff)
Luna
Flashing Blade 4
Desperation
Time Pulse
Swift Sparrow
Having Chill Res in your Prf is great, specifically so you do not have to waste a seal or B-slot on that skill. It lets your magic units hit harder, while simultaneously giving you more freedom in terms of build options. I wouldn't consider that a downside to Lilina at all.
Mae's pref is better and easier to use. Atk/Spd Link + Death Blow > Wrath + Darting Blow.
And a year later this is still helping me! I've gotten Robin and Chrom done, finally, now I'm hoping to merge a Nino or a Seliph.
I can attest to how god-like Mustafa is as a merge project because I managed to +10 him while the Awakening banner was still going.
My build has an attack boon (though a def boon could work too), a def refine Huge Fan+ from groom Hinata, Aether, distant foil from Rinkah (Though distant counter works for a mixed tank build), lull atk/def from the duo Ephraim banner (Though something like renewal or atk/def link could also work in the B slot), rouse atk/def from S! Sylvain (potentially replaceable with something like a smoke skill, panic ploy, or infantry pulse), and a quick riposte sacred seal.
As you can tell, my gimmick with this build is being a pure physical wall. There is hardly a single physical unit in the game outside of some of the stronger sword units that can deal any meaningful damage to him. Because of the special cool down charge from the Huge Fan+ alongside quick riposte, he is very likely to pop an aether during every engagement assuming the opponent doubles, which isn't very hard to do considering his 30 base speed at +10. I have to be careful not to let enemies target his resistance, considering base 32 isn't very high, but I have res tanks that can fight mages and dragons for him.
Overall, this man has been my savior for completing some of the tougher game modes and was worth every piece of fodder I put into him.
Mustafa is the MAN! You can't spell Mustafa without MUFASA
Looks like it'll last at least 3 shots from igrene first shot splash damage from blazing wind 2nd shot after mirabalis dance buff and debuff and direct blazing wind then 3rd shot 1x reg. Atk. Seems pretty bulky haven't seen a +10 mu though.
Im currently merging ogma as my first +10 project because the guy is just plane cool, i don’t are much about arena,i just like building units i like
Best mentality to have 👌
Don't sweat arena or AR or anything like that if it doesn't interest you. Its a game, just have as much fun with it as possible!
At first i was like where on earth is my boy Camoo then I realised he is not at the 3-4 star pool
Yeah! Similarly I was looking for Kronya then I realized Tacho has a different video for the grail projects.
Yeah, this list is strictly for summonable banner units! The Heroic Grail tier list is a separate one 😉
I do think Nana is very prime material for S tier just because having the ability to use cav movement with the utility of staves is incredible. Sure they don't usually do much damage but the utility provided by multiple staves in the game (Panic,Witchy,Gravity etc) is immense especially with the safety staff units are provided through dazzling staff.
Nanna is still a good staff project just through that alone.
Yeah, the 3 range move is EVERYTHING for Nanna, that alone can give her a push
I don’t agree with Saizo being that low and Liliana being that high both should be in the A tier in my view point
Hiya TACHO, Nice to see the tier list, but just warning you, you have 6.66 k subscribers. DISCORD NOTIF GANG!
Let's go
That sub count is cursed ☹️
Also, as an aside, I made a 40+3 Berkut...... and he's actually really awesome for a free unit who requires almost no investment other than DC and Quick Riposte 3. I was pretty happy I just had 4 copies laying around, I figured why not? There are not that many tanky blue lance cavs in the game that are actually good.... Death Knight is pretty much the only one. But Berkut is super consistent and doesn't rely on a gimmick to be effective, so Berkut is actually pretty awesome as far as tanky blue lance cavs go. I'm actually pretty impressed with him - he's just as good as Mordecai or Altena or whatever and I like him a lot better than Death Knight, even though I admit Death Knight is a little stronger if his pref is activated (but is much worse than Berkut if it's not activated). I'm going to use him in pve quests and such when I need a cav unit, and I'm sure he'll help in the new thief catching mode.
His refine was really strong, he's definitely moving up when I update the Grail tier list 👌
@@tacho9427 Definitely! I'm really happy we have him in the game now. F2p/budget players really needed a tanky blue lance cav!
Also, did you see the new gamepress tier list? I surprisingly find myself agreeing with it. They FINALLY started lowering armors and dragons. A year late, but it now actually reflects the experience we've been having in the game :P
Also, they finally bumped OG Seliph to tier 2! Been saying it since his refine! They finally listened! He used to be tier 4 or 5 :/
They also put legendary seliph in tier 3 - kind of what I thought too - didn't think he was better than Ares - they got them in the same tier.
I kept one copy of Seliph for collector purposes - he looks cool and I will use him from time to time, but I foddered my second one to Berkut :P
I vouch for Corrin to rise to A. Her refine is AMAZING. Panicked bonus DO affect her refine, so she can potentially get +14 stats (and so can Saizo as well, get him up too).
This also means that the regular Harsh Command means jack shit to both of them, and in fact can only worsen the situation after the Threaten debuffs get added again on the next round.
Plus, I a shitty unit like Nowi is on A, there is NO excuse for the better blue dragon to be there.
I would probably move Lilina and Mae down to A. Lilina is just so outclassed that even at max potential Lysithea outclasses her at +0. I would not say Lilina is something you would ever really need. Shes a fine unit but I wouldnt put her above any of the white wings really not to mention Lilinas only real use is in generic maps really. Just not worth the investment compared to the other unique units. An argument could be made for her being in IP defense teams which she will do alright in but I still wouldnt say shes S tier.
As for Mae shes in a similar boat. Link is alright and it can be used in AR offense but it would probably be better to use someone like Corrin who provides invisible buffs which can provide buffs when a panic manor is in effect. I would probably put her above Lilina but both dont really have a place in the competitive modes.
Generic maps are a big deal for some though, I think stuff like Abyssal content and Chain Challenges shouldn't be overlooked. That's the main reason why Tharja, Nino and Reinhardt still stand in S tier. Its still super easy to solo clear most of the PvE content in the game with them. And besides that, they still work just fine in AR-D on IP setups. So I wouldn't say they are completely unviable in there
Not unviable but easyly replaced with new units at 0 merges which now with the spark system on the new Heros banners and reruns with 130 -140 orbs you are guaranteed to get them with neutral IVs even as a FTP so by that if a merge proyect is easyly replaced by new units at 0 merges then for me they are not really worth It when that feathers invested in Mae or Lilina could be used in better units with uniques niches like base Eliwood , female Corrin , Echidna, the Pegasus sisters , Norne , etc in the 3 or 4 star pool to fill holes that my teams might be missing and that a single copy of a new unit wont fill
I agree with 99.9% of the list except Jeorge placement, hes the Vantage archer for excellence, u can run him double sparrow, life and death savage blow and u will nuke almost everything ranged. His Parthia refine is very underrated too, he can stack a lot of atk on player phase alone if u decide to go double death blow, he will be a pseudo Lilina against ranged but without the triangle advantage penalties. Completely underrated but great list, love your vids thx for the hard work 🙌
(Waiting for Soleils refine to see her skyrocket all the way to S tier and say "Soleil is here" 🤩)
I feel like Hinata should be either in the b tier or in his own tier as a sign of respect for all the times he was killed for Fury. Also I don't see any issues with the tier list and I feel like the healer cavs could stay on the tier B because to me besides AR there is no other mode where they are really good.
By that logic, Valbar, Sheena, Gwendolyn should all drop a tier as they have no use in AR. They are primary score sticks, else they are a liability since they have no movement options and depend on team support.
>me whose 10+ building all the awakening characters:’D
I think everyone's placement is overall fine. Bartre, Oboro, and Merric might be a little low. They don't score as high for something like arena, but in the case of Oboro and Bartre, they do have value as armor killers in something like Arena Assault, and in the case of Oboro, she has a salvagable res stat with a +res boon.
In the case of Merric, don't forget he has access to Dark Excalibur, making him the budget nuke option over Sonya in Aether Raids. With the refine and an IP team, you only need to get 1-2 IP users on the chain above him to let him fire off a powerful Bonfire/Ignis thanks to the -2 on Turn 1 from Dark Excalibur and the +10 True Damage. Also his HP is high enough to where he could run IP himself. I think Merric is at least worthy of B tier.
Edit: AoE specials would also be great on him due to the +10 true damage. Helps counter B!Ikes that aren't running Repel/Close Call.
I do wanna mention that with Corrin, even though she has the dragon weakness, she does have adaptive damage against range foes, so that's something worthy to note. Also you can run Aversa with her(or Saizo) in Aether Raids since most teams still have all their units huddled together, which turns her weapon on immediately without having to do anything, and will go further thanks to the Panic effect if the defense team is using visible buffs. Mordecai also makes a great teammate for her. I don't know if that's enough for her to go to A tier. She, like my girl Eirika, have a high ceiling, but really need the team to pull it off.
Bartre and Oboro have some solid usability for stuff like AA where they can be great counter picks for enemy armored units. I can see them possibly getting a push into B tier, they're not bad at all. Maybe a little mid, but that's what B tier is, right? 😛
Merric can work great with all the special ramping he gets. Him stealing Sonya's refine was pretty great, I've been wrecked by a +10 Mirror Impact Merric before! My only problem with him is his base atk just blows, but I guess its not the biggest deal when most of his damage is coming from specials anyway, and with Impacts and solid overall defenses (at least with Mirror Impact) it can be difficult to one shot him on the counter. Then comes the WoM shenanigans, so Merric definitely might be worth bumping up a tier. Great comments 👍
Mae is similar to Odin in support effects. I don't consider the Arthur's refine so good (he still get the debuff effects). Felicia and Jakob should be in level C. Saizo is a super debuffer that could be in level B. Cecilia is not the best Green Cavalry Tome. And thats all, thanks for give us this type of videos...
Pretty good list: For constructive criticism, I'd say to create a new tier between A and B tier to reduce some of the bloat there.
Also, while I understand your argument for moving up Mae, I'd say that she competes with Reinhardt for 3-4* blue tome and I'd rather merge up Reinhardt than Mae right now because of movement and applications in Cav Line, mixed defenses and HnR teams compared to Mae on Infantry Pulse defense teams. Lilina is unique in that she is the best 3-4* red tome.
A new tier in-between A and B isn't a bad idea actually! I'll see if I can rework the list to incorporate that the next time I update it 👍
I'm currently working on Tanya since I already have 8 copies of her. I was idiot and didn't realize how good her speed already was and turned my +Atk copies into manuals. Hopefully I can get another one in a reasonable amount of time. I gave her the Candlewax Bow, Moon Bow, Brazen Atk/Spd 4, Desperation, Time's Pulse and Brazen Atk/ Spd SS. She should turn out great once I have the feathers and last three copies.
We are dudes, Mustafa is a Man. Also I'd like to suggest upvoting Female Corrin to A because you can build her very well very easily (other than the Duel skill) and you can really premium her up too.
My +9 Mae has bonus doubler, def/res link :3 now i only need +atk mae XD!!!
Bruh, I'm totally stealing that build once I get an Extra L!Roy
@@Hailstormful if only trading was possible, I have 6 laying around waiting to be foddered (plus one I kept around and two more I already foddered to Nino and LMarth)
Mae is finally in S tier like she deserves
wait till she gets demoted next tier list when ilyana murders her
Im at over 800k feathers so I'll probably work on a unit to +10, probably won't use them that much. Probably going to merge tanya because I just like her more then norne. Would like to finish my reyson (+6) but gatcha says no, same with mordecai (+3)
I really should make more +10 units, i only have 5 and 4 of those are blue
I started playing this game in March. I’ve been loving it. I still don’t have any +10s, but when I have 5 more Corrins, my F Corrin will be my first 10 (currently +5). I’ve gotta say, her refine has made her seem SOOOOOOOOO good. You should make a showcase on her Tacho. My next +10 will probably be Eliwood
I agree the dragons should go down. Like, If I am annoyed with 40+6 legendary tiki in this meta, those units will cut it even less :/
My tier list : Build wth you like, c mon, been using matthew and lachesis to do everything even before his refine have some fun for gods sake
Absolutely! I'm not trying to discourage anybody from building whoever they want. This list is just a guideline for people who want it. But 100% have fun, build your favorites, its way more satisfying when you win with those 😉
@@tacho9427 Thats the best part of feh to be honest, you can upgrade your skills and keep up with the powercreep, even if you will always have a lower bst... but that forces a bit more of strategy, making stuff a bit harder and more fun
Female Corrin is only worth merging to a +10 only if unlock their potential and when give her the merge stats because Female Corrin at only level 40 is hopeless against a brave lady Lyn but when she gets her merge stats she becomes a slaughterhouse whit her new weapon refine gloom breath and maybe give her wrath 3 Aether panic ploy and maybe give her an attack seal because why not
Nice
Emmeryn can work so well with atk/spd push 4👍😋.
And valbar is sooo good as a tank my friend.
Ogma is super underrated. Putting him in the same tier as Hinata is wrong In my opinion.
60 atk and 40 spd is not something anyone should underestimate.
Yh but lets be honest..any mage blows him away lol.
im going to vouge for altena being in a tier she may not have the bst for arena but as a unit shes amazing she is easily mergeable and has a wep that free's he b slot for almost anything, she has stats in the right spot making her able to compete with some infantry red units.
Good video, but gaius and Odin will be S+ to me (plus Omni-boost Odin will make a curious combo with My Hel)
Only wish i could get Mustafa more often
Feels good to see Ross in that S tier.
Ares should be S tier. Guy's just really fucking good!
I know you think Roy is good with resplendent buffs. But what about WITHOUT resplendent buffs? What about for the people who CANNOT afford or don't want to buy Feh pass? I THINK imo assuming Feh pass in this list is dumb. Like what if a player can't afford it or don't want it? Feh pass honestly feels like optional extra flavor. I mean look at me. I haven't tried Feh pass again since the first month and most likely not gonna buy it again until one of my favorites gets a resplendent alt.
Roy is still good even without it, but I will admit that the extra +2 Speed was super clutch on him though
I guess resplendent units shouldn't be a factor in this list, but even with that being said, Eliwood would remain in S tier anyway lol. He's just that insane
There is always going to be some contention around tier lists. It's been a while since I watched one of these from you, but last time I felt like it was pretty solid. But I'm going to share some unpopular opinions.
Mordecai and Reyson don't have high value as +10 units. Reyson's 200 SP dance skill makes him the lowest scoring unit you could give G duel flying to. If you give him a rally + skill for arena, his +7 healing is not on par with support units like Soren imo and he can't keep his 3-Mov easily unless you have a full dragon/beast team. Likewise, Mordecai loses massive scoring using a position skill to activate his prf. Both Reyson and Mordecai do their job outside of arena just fine unmerged.
The only mages worth +10 treatment are TA raventomes because they need the bulk for crazy units like Alm, Chrom, Leif and Bramimond. But 4*+10 is vastly cheaper and probably sufficient. Lilina, Reinhardt, Mae, Tharja and Nino don't have as much value at +10 compared to +1.
Blade tomes are WELL worth a +10
@@joanaguayoplanell4912 is 4 extra ATK on units that hit 80+ ATK worth 200k feathers?
Scoring isn't the only criteria here, though! Its true that assists can be a scoring issue for Reyson and Mordecai, but they are just way too good as units to ignore as potential merge projects.
@@tacho9427 I understand that, but the value Reyson and Mordecai provide is wholly independent of how many merges they have, and for the reasons I outlined above, they're not great candidates for arena scoring imo. So what I'm asking is where is the value in merging them up?
@@shufukillah6772 4 extra Atk for damage, 4 extra Spd for doubling and extra bulk as well. With units like BIke running around and the hyperinflated stats of Abyssal maps every point counts.
The R&C music though, nice
it brokes my heart knowing my girl beruka its so low, but i undestand why she is so low
Dude Matthew is SOOOOOO underrated it hurts. He is at least A-Tier, borderline S-
He's great due to his easy access to a Broadleaf Fan dagger, but if you inherited the actual Broadleaf Fan on one of the other daggers, they can pretty much do the same thing as Matthew with better stat distribution 🙁
I'll admit that I don't heavily merge most units (I just have the dragon core at +10) so this is definitely out of my area of expertise. But I cannot see how Chrom and Frederick could possibly be worse than gen 1 daggers and healers. Effective vs dragon (Chrom) and effective vs armor (Frederick) offer more utility than pretty much the entire tier they're in right now on your list. Cavalry also have the emblem buffs, not to mention we have so few available axe cavalry beyond Titania so Frederick doesn't have as much competition as default Chrom does in the sword infantry category.
Just my 2 cents.
With Corrin's refine, I've seen her EVERYWHERE in Arena and Arena Assault, making her a good candidate for S, and she has been proven a massive threat. But sadly now that her legendary version will powercreep her most powerful build to hell and back, A is probably the highest she will go.
I absolutely think the cavalry healers should be in A-tier, considering their usefulness for PVE and their utility in cav-lines.
FYI, Mordecai has 167 BST - he does not need his Def superboon to reach the 170 BST bin. He can run whatever IV he wants as far as scoring is concerned.
Also, while it's cool to see Barst get pushed up to a higher tier, I'm not sure why he's in a tier lower than Arthur? Is Arthur really that premium a unit that he would be considered better than Barst?
Yeah, I confused Mordecai and Altena's BST for some reason. She's the one who needs the superboon to get to 170, not him.
And Arthur is tiered higher than Barst because he makes a nice infantry bait unit with all the stats he gains from his refine. He also has a Res superboon to boot. Barst does have a better damage ceiling though
Eliwood is my current +10 project, and hes at +8. He is actually really good, I can see why he is at S tier
Yep, even comparing him to the 5* exclusives, that Eliwood is better than A LOT of them!
He was my first ever +10 back in the day. So I was really happy when he got his refine and then later his resplendant outfit
+1 to Valbar staying in S tier. Wagasa being in the grail pool gives an easy way to convert BST units into supports. I've been running DC/WF/Panic w/ Wagasa on my +10 Effie for forever, if I didn't have so many projects, I'd replace her with Valbar.
Good tierlist Tacho. Thing is I just got beaten by a saizo so i dont know where to place him xd.
He can be pretty devastating with full debuffs in play! I've started seeing a TON of people running a sneaky Harsh Command unit on their AR-D setups though, specifically to counter Duo Micaiah's Duo skill. That's going to hurt Saizo and Corrin F unfortunately since they are really reliant on the debuffs to make up the difference in stat gap they have compared to some of the newer units 😔
@@tacho9427 They are not that good 'cause they rely on debuffs and thats a gimmick i agree. The thing is i never expected Leila and Saizo to be that good in Ar Offense
Underrating Female Corrin's refine quite a bit IMO, deserves better than B, and Mae doesn't deserve S, but, some disagreement on this sort of thing is always inevitable :P Nothing else particularly jumps out at me being way off besides that (Other than perhaps Camilla, but with how hard fliers have fallen off, her being that low is understandable). Always a fun video type though, lots of good discussion.
Oh, Female Corrin’s Refine is freaking amazing! However her low BST still hinders her compared to Nowi. Not to mention we don’t have Def or Res Smoke as a Seal yet, so unless you have a dagger unit, she won’t be at her full potential. I feel like in order to make her go to A-Tier, she would need a Resplendent that way her stats can handle today’s meta, because there’s currently a lot of really fast units nowadays. Also yeah, why the hell is Mae in S-Tier? I don’t even use Talitu and I feel like she’s just overall 10x better than Mae.
@@xenoemblem8422 Yeah, Tailtiu is drastically superior to Mae. Tailtiu's damage can actually be virtually on par with Ophelia with the same build she always runs, if she can get her Wrath effect active. Owl effects in general are pretty trash these days - even if it's a good effect on paper, the positional requirements just make it a non-option.
And, all fair points on Female Corrin. Still, Res Smoke is inheritable - though admittedly quite rare - and it's likely that we will get the other two Smokes as seals eventually. Resplendent will for sure help her as well. But, not like debuffs are a problem in AR (IMO, AR Light season is where she's most valuable), and while she has low BST, her refine puts her WAY ahead of Nowi in terms of overall utility.
Nowi is unacceptably slow even with max investment these days, and Corrin getting +7 Atk (Potentially +14 if you have Res Smoke, or in the eventual case where she can run Res + Def Smoke via seal, or have Duo Micaiah or other debuffs, etc) puts her ahead in basically every meaningful regard.
I ran Female Corrin in AR once this season as a test, and, she performed drastically better than I was expecting. I expected her to survive stuff fine (Mine does have Res Smoke), and while I did run her with Duo Micaiah, she was killing everything that attacked her even on turns where Dominance was no longer active.
Just my thoughts!
Tanya only in B makes me sad but it's understandable
Now you just need some builds for each one and show them to us. It would be nice.
Didn’t see my boi Sharp Soldier Lukas... I’m running his Daybreak Lance with the Sturdy Stance refine, Reposition, Ignis, Close Defence as the A slot, Guard as the B slot, (currently) Drive Speed as the C slot and Distant Defence as the Seal. He also has res+, the wind blessing, and is merged to +10 (which I got 2 days ago and is my first plus 10 pog) and Ally/Summoner Support both at S. (Paired with Emo Takumi) Also rocking the Hawk Guard accessory.
I was wondering if I should inherit my neutral CYL Alm’s C skill on my Lukas (Threat. Attack/Speed) for the Drive Speed 2? Feedback, if any, would be a huge help, as I don’t wanna waste any units, especially 5 star ones 😅
Forgot to mention the stats;
Player Phase
HP-58
ATK- 57
SPD-28
DEF-45
RES-26
Enemy Phase
HP-58
ATK-61
SPD-28
DEF-55
RES-32
I want to make a case for Niles to be moved up to at least B. He may have very low Atk, but his Prf and refine make him an AMAZING AoE spammer. Slaying and Flashing Blade in a single weapon are already enough, and the Shining effect is a nice bonus too. Give him Special Spiral and Pulse Smoke and he'll be spamming those AoEs. However, he still has his terrible scoring holding him back, so I feel A and S tier are off limits for him.
Hmm, Niles could be moved up. He's definitely got his uses.
I feel like shigure should be where Catria is even without a prf weapon he is absolutely great and def a great 3-4 star flying galeforcer with slaying lance.
Cordelia and Catria are much better Galeforce users.
Joan Aguayo Planell i agree with you on the Cordelia part but just not the catria part lol
@@elijaheugene5727 Slaying Brave Lance with no speed penalty and Spectrum Blow
Careful playing Blackwater city, you might trigger some massive nostalgia bombs
Man, I'm not too sure whether to focus on building up on my resplendent Eliwood or create new merge characters like Tharja and Reyson
Eliwood is a monster if invested hars
@@maxim-olivierleclerc9664 Indeed he is, I just need to replace the Fury skill with something else so he becomes more sustainable
Zheng Wen Yu I’d suggest pure player phase, since his weapon when refined gives him steady impact (I’m pretty sure). Give him death blow or something.
I built him as A galeforcer, swift sparrow 3 lull atk speed and defense smoke. I gave him steady blow 2 as a seal due to my swiftsparrow seal being already taken
Eliwood, go for Eliwood.
I see Gordin over Klein. I have both, and enough copies to +10 both, but don't know which one would be better. Can't remember in which video you talk about them 😂. I really need a +10 archer, since I have none, but don't know who to build. I've heard Norne is one of the best, and see you put her un the S tier. Will you do this for the grail units too? Since Berkut got his refine, he became an immediate favorite and also a +10 project.
Yeah, the Grail unit tier list is going to be update fairly soon! I might wait for the next round of Tempest Trials or GHB units so we get some more material to add, but its definitely on my to-do list 👍
@@tacho9427 just please, when you do that, put Lorenz in a special category... Outside of the whole list, for example 😂
I have Distant Ward Mustafa coming along
I genuinely think Soleil should be A tier off of her stat spread alone. Besides, she's probably going to get a refine sometime soon. Gotta start merging early to catch the refines
Oh, Soleil is going to be insane once she gets her refine! Let's wait and see what it does first though 😛
@@tacho9427 honestly if it was spd +3 I'd take it
Looking at this list I have at least 25 more f2p units to build but sadly not enough feathers for all.
My goal it to +10 almost every f2p unit, with some being expensive builds and others with basic builds.
That's a pretty big goal! Hopefully they keep increasing our feather payout and maybe even raise the Hero Merit cap again so we can get back to that feather grind
@@tacho9427 I've been begging for another HM cap but it hasn't happened yet. Right now, I'm just going to make a list on who should I +10 next, so I won't debate and regret it soon after.
Why is L'arachel so high? I have quite a few copies of her and she does not have a refine yet and I am unsure if I should merge.
She'll be getting a refine pretty soon I think, Eirika and Myrrh were in the same unit batch as her and they have their refines already. But basically, running her on a horse team with the Bladetome will give good results, ESPECIALLY in PvE modes. She's a fairly good unit for clearing maps
@@tacho9427 Alright, I will be sure to give it a go,
She has a workable offensive statline and quietly has the best in class Res among ALL mage cavs.
Can you explain what trainee bonus is? I never really understood what it meant
It’s a boosted stat increase in feh from them being trainee unit in there original game making them really weak at the start but generally growing into monsters if you carry them through, for example Donel is the only villager class in awakening
Think tiki nowi fae should all be demoted to B tier til they get prfs. As someone who has played around with cav healers too i think nanna and forrest hard outclass every other cav healer if not at least low A tier worthy they should both definitely be higher than the likes of priscilla and clarine
Was thinking of building Norne with A Distant Def and seal for soaking up ranged attacks. Any recommendations for B and C slots?
For Norne? You've got a bunch of options actually! Null-C Disrupt if you want to shut down staff and Firesweep units. Null Follow Up if you want to shut down Bramimond and Impact skill ranged opponents. Or Lull Atk/Def 3 for the consistent matchup against everybody. C slot should most likely just be Pulse Smoke for beating IP setups, or Atk Smoke for a more budget option.
@@tacho9427 Aight, thanks for the tips!
Lukas will always be my melee wall, but he does have too much investment to be good
*That didn’t deter me though*
I have a +10 boey that I built up back in the day and the only premium skill I’ve given him was close counter so his weapon refine stings a lot :/
I also don’t know what to do with him lol he has close counter and quick reposte 2 it just seems like a waste of feathers
I love using my Nowi, S supported and everything but it's hard to keep up with the insane power-creep. I pray she gets a good refine cause I am sick and tired of Lightning Breath.
umm? mae in S tier?
You think she she should not be there?
Remember that all of this is Tacho's opinion.
Well, you can give her def/res link and she can smite anyone with a +6 to all stats. Which in ar is really good
@@AxismundusWorldtree Odin can do that to and that's a strategy you don't want to do since Smite doesn't score well in arena, also Odin's weapon makes him make more damage than Mae and is better for tanking making him better than Mae.
TacticalHelix I don’t think scoring in arena is the main reason units are in the tiers they’re in on the vid otherwise someone like Kagero wouldn’t be S tier since she doesn’t score well in arena
@@tacticalhelix Mae ranks a bit higher than Odin because she has a naturally good base atk value, and she goes for the one shot nuking with Death Blow stacking, making it harder to counter her with effects that negate active buffs.
Odin is great and can get to a higher damage ceiling, but he can be countered by Lull skills and stuff
I thought emmeryn was a tempest trial character or something. I had no idea she was available in the game
Oh wow, a heart, very useful, where is Oliviam
Roy is S tier in my heart😂
Mordecai bst is 167 you can run any ivs with him and he will score 170 bst bin without a superboon
Ah, that's right. I forgot, for some reason I got his BST mixed up with Altena here
Lukas in C tier? Bro... I have a plus ten Lukas and he’s a monster.
Me thinking to ever build up George lol
I have him as my summoner support unit and he’s really good. I gave him Life and Death 4 and he hits really hard and is an amazing anti ranged unit thanks to Parthia. I don’t think he should be in D tier because he is the only F2P unit aside from Kagero that has damage reduction. To me he should be at least in B tier since Rebecca and Tanya are there and if you do like me and decide to build him, Life and Death 4, vantage and double savage blow is a really solid build I think you won’t regret it, especially against mages and ranged foes in general. In case you decide to do so go for either +atk or +spd
There actually is no unit in the game, that can only be summoned as a 4⭐ unit.
There are actually only 3 types of rarities,
5⭐ exclusive,
4-5⭐, (waiting to be demoted)
and 3-4⭐
So if you know, a unit isn't available as a 5⭐, you know that you can summon him as a 3-4⭐.
And all units, that they add as a 4⭐ Fokus on a banner become 3-4⭐ available after that fact
There is the case of Altena though, where she is summonable as a 4 and 5 star for some reason...
@@tacho9427 yes, she is currently available as the second type of rarity which I listed, she is summonable as a 4-5⭐, until the next massive wave of demotes comes around, demoting her to 3-4⭐.
These are the units, which are not on a 4⭐ Fokus on their debut banner, but demoted afterwards (like Brady, Mordecai, Rayson, Ares and so on).
These 4-5⭐ summons are available for some time until they all get demoted in around April of each year, which is why all of the ones I listed above are already demoted to 3-4⭐.
@@tacho9427 she just didn't get demoted to 3-4⭐ yet.
I have a question what Iv do I go for 3 S tier axe babes? (Ross is +spd with a huge fan, Mustafa and Echidna are +res) I want to build them and I'm not really sure for their iv. I kinda didn't want Ross to be so slow. Edit: I'll be going for +10 on Ross and Mustafa.
*Ross-* +Atk if he's for Arena (so he can oneshot Legendary Alms without Sturdy Impact) or +Res if its for AR
*Echida-* +Spd if you plan to run Close Call/Repel, and +Res otherwise
*Mustafa-* +Res IMO for the well rounded bulk, but feel free to go +Atk with him as well
@@tacho9427 Thank you very much. I'm more into AR then into Arena (I usually play arena once a week). If I get a Larcei (+spd and no -atk) I may go for a +spd Echidna. I mostly go for budget builds but if I like a unit I'll go in for them.
Personally I wouldn't put Mustafa or Ross anywhere near A tier. While decent in their own right, it's hard to say anything about their meta relevance. Echidna I can somewhat agree with, as her stats are fairly good across the board, but Mustafa and Ross don't stack up, and with increasing reliance on having at least OK speed, I can see them falling into irrelevancy with any shift in the meta that doesn't favour slower units. As well as that, considering the prospect of getting a demote axe infantry with a Prf makes it hard for me to say they're a good long term investment.
Edit: Also you're major sleeping on Draug. Because you can run atk/spd form on him, he can easily abuse special fighter while being an incredible physical wall. Fast enough to avoid doubles, super massive defense, and he can make his attack do enough, especially when abusing specials as well as he can. I personally think he's better than Gwendolyn and Sheena.