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  • @ekwrestling
    @ekwrestling ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is no reason why the DCU can’t be as healthy and successful as the MCU. We just need good filmmakers with a clear direction in their storytelling. Hoping for the best. We need good DC movies

  • @mikeb9984
    @mikeb9984 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Henry cavill as superman was one of the only things the fans agreed on

    • @MSgt_0699
      @MSgt_0699 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was more about the convenience of it. None of the haters cared about Cavill as they raged on "not my Superman." THEN, after finding out that Hamada's plan with Flash was to kill off baby Kal-El and introduce Supergirl and Batgirl in order to create an all female Trinity, did the haters switch gears to "oh...but, but, we always loved Cavill!!!"

    • @KrytoRift
      @KrytoRift 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MSgt_0699 that's a theory

    • @MSgt_0699
      @MSgt_0699 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KrytoRift Evidence is all over the Internet.

    • @KrytoRift
      @KrytoRift 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MSgt_0699 it must be hard living in a world where you see social injustice in every dark corner.
      Most people I know just liked Cavill in that role as well as others he's done.
      If there's some stupid ducks out there, they don't speak for the fan base. Only themselves

    • @MSgt_0699
      @MSgt_0699 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KrytoRift What does social injustice have to do with this? I'm guessing you don't know what that is. Anyways...
      The facts of the history include Snyderverse haters not giving a damn about Cavill until they heard that Hamada was going to kill off baby Kal-El and have no Superman. But haters are always trying to pervert their history. You know, like denying that Cavill was Snyderverse when he was back, but then rejoicing that Cavill being out means the "end of the Snyderverse."

  • @Shockwave-ob2tx
    @Shockwave-ob2tx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I would be willing to bet that if Black Adam had made massive profits, WB would have told Gunn to make Cavill's Superman fit in his rebootverse.

    • @theenigmaalie2792
      @theenigmaalie2792 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But it didn’t so

    • @DaRK2Sleeper
      @DaRK2Sleeper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dookcock's rumor mill said Gunn was actually arguing for Cavill to stay, and it was Zasloz that actually wielded the axe. Either way, without Cavill WB and Gunn won't see any money from me.

  • @MSgt_0699
    @MSgt_0699 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is the grand irony of it all. The apparently "true" DC fans, who hated the Snyderverse, refused to even show up to the Hamadaverse, where all the flops are.

    • @TheKoolSection
      @TheKoolSection  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's the strangest part of it all, and why I can't just assume people will show up now. If people really wanted something different, then why were the numbers so low? The critical reception for Shazam was good while Black Adam's was mixed, but they made around the same kind of money. Where's everybody at if they really wanted a change? Perhaps the best way to find out is if they released another solo Batman and Superman film within the DCU, but it never happened.

    • @MSgt_0699
      @MSgt_0699 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheKoolSection I think the haters had created a cult of hate since 2013. They felt cheated out of a personal experience with Superman smiling at them to the crescendo of the John Williams score, and so they commenced to nitpick and hate everything.
      WB gave them Whedon's Justice League and Hamada then commenced to give them light-hearted "fun." But these movies also disappointed, leaving them not only bitter, but also in denial that they had caused this mess in the first place. After all, WB chased them...not the Snyderverse fans who were clear about what they liked.
      I mean, it's been near six years since Snyder left the project, and still the haters blame everything on Snyder. Theirs...is a personal hate. And it goes back to feeling cheated out of "their" Superman.

  • @intuitivecoder3481
    @intuitivecoder3481 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Losing Henry as Superman is going to hurt them so bad. I feel bad for anyone who has to take up that mantle next. There literally isn't a better casting.

    • @oppenheimer6321
      @oppenheimer6321 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's not hard to find a white guy, no need to be dramatic

    • @intuitivecoder3481
      @intuitivecoder3481 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@oppenheimer6321 yes because that's the only feature that matters? Epic logic. On another level.

    • @intuitivecoder3481
      @intuitivecoder3481 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheReelDealFilms Okay by that same logic you must have a lot of Justin Bieber posters on your wall.

    • @intuitivecoder3481
      @intuitivecoder3481 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Anyi121 That doesn't mean finding the talent is easy

  • @TheBroThatSurvived
    @TheBroThatSurvived 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Part of my problem with dumping Cavill is that I already have a lot of trust and respect for the actor and know he would advocate for the character in a way a comic fan should.
    I'm truly skeptical on whether or not Gunn will be as respectful of the material in his casting choices. I do think the idea of a hard reset is a worthy one, the DCEU certainly needs a refocused foundation. For now I am reserving judgement until I see it.
    Great video, KC.

    • @TheKoolSection
      @TheKoolSection  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I appreciate your input bro! I can relate to your viewpoint for Cavill.

  • @DaRK2Sleeper
    @DaRK2Sleeper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good video. I agree DC does seem to be a very divided Fandom lead by people who keep having Knee-jerk reactions. I'll be honest I was all for a complete reboot several months ago before WB told Cavill to announce his return. When Cavill announced how he wanted to play a more hopeful Superman, and with how he walked from The Witcher because they strayed from the source material, it made me even more excited to see what Cavill could do with a good script. So with his firing (Doomcock says rumors are it was really Zasloz pulling a knee-jerk). It was a big slap in the face to not just an actor but to a fan and most fans. Even if they didn't eventually want to keep going with Cavill, they still could have done like one movie so they are perceived as keeping their word and reset the world with the Flash movie. Ultimately, it feels like they want to start with a new vision of justice, and they laid the foundation on one of the biggest injustices around. So yea, without Cavill, I'm out. WB isn't getting any more money from me. Gunn isn't getting any more money from me.

    • @TheKoolSection
      @TheKoolSection  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If Cavill never came back, I would've been far more open to a full reboot. Teasing people with his return and knowing what kind of Superman he wanted to be makes this worse than it ever needed to be.

  • @marcusalexander9539
    @marcusalexander9539 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’ve been a comic and movie fan for over twenty years. All I want to see in live action DC is for Superman to go up against Darkseid or Brainiac. A fully powered Superman fighting a villain just as powerful as him. But we’re apparently never going to get that.

  • @psychotictactoe
    @psychotictactoe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Cavill was perfect, he was so disrespected dumping him AFTER asking him to announce he's returning? Screw WB and Gunn should be ashamed of doing this to a great Superman!

  • @mjgoody2
    @mjgoody2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dude!! I agree with you completely! Bruh, I’m done with all this crap. I’m not buying anything else until I get the word from everybody else who has seen the movie. Like you my man!

  • @KrytoRift
    @KrytoRift 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    On the bright side, the whole world will find out about Warhammer now

  • @smartchai
    @smartchai 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    DC seriously needs to stop rebooting after every bump on the road and try to stay the course ! Getting rid of Henry Cavill as SUPERMAN was the BIGGEST MISTAKE that James Gunn has ever made in his entire Hollywood career ! WTF 🙄🤦😒 !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
    #FireJamesGunn
    #HenryCavillSuperman

  • @PerfectTroy1
    @PerfectTroy1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another issue to consider is what unfortunate soul will play Clark Kent/Superman? He will look at the careers of Cavill, Routh, and Reeve and wonder if the role is even worth it.

    • @TheKoolSection
      @TheKoolSection  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Michael Cera for the win! 😆

    • @PerfectTroy1
      @PerfectTroy1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheKoolSection 🤣😂🤣

  • @1kbmahan
    @1kbmahan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You know there’s one thing to react on failure, everyone does it. But they have hero’s that are built on hope and pushing forward to not fail and be better. It’s ridiculous how a studio can’t just keep moving forward. It’s really simple follow snyders vision. It’s difficult and understandable the films are divisive but he had a vision and blue print and they simply pushed him aside and everyone else because they react to everything being scared. It gotta stop.

  • @jayclas4023
    @jayclas4023 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You’re right bro, it’s too much negative energy. They had the best stars they just needed was a story

  • @mikeb9984
    @mikeb9984 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hell no! I showed up for the snyderverse

  • @jcrispy178
    @jcrispy178 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If they want to cancel someone Ezra Miller #1. You don't cancel Cavill.

  • @danielshottopics8187
    @danielshottopics8187 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    We were so Close to getting Man of Steel 2 with Henry Cavil Superman and he could of Fought Brainiac but David Zaslav and James Gunn Decided to hit the reboot button before this could happen and we were so Close Only Months away, This will backfire on them.

    • @TheKoolSection
      @TheKoolSection  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I feel your pain of Cavill being removed. It still sucks to see how they went that route.

  • @anothername2
    @anothername2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Right now I do not see much divide. Whereever I read, hear and to whomever I speak all seem to be pretty united in the opinion that this was a major shitty move.

  • @iordaniskaravasilis
    @iordaniskaravasilis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gal Godat deserves to come back as wonder woman, or a part of me doesn’t mind having a new actor play superman but I heard that James Gunn wants to merge DC‘s television and movies together and if that’s true I would love to see Erica durance as Lois Lane She was the best one.

    • @TheKoolSection
      @TheKoolSection  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Interesting viewpoint. I've always felt like I could see someone else playing Wonder Woman while thinking Cavill deserved another shot. Erica was solid across the board on Smallville.

  • @TheGundamsword
    @TheGundamsword 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The funny part is Peacemaker and the Suicide Squad is gonna stay. Like how can you justify removing everything else to start over but keeping parts that clearly don't fit with new universe?

    • @MSgt_0699
      @MSgt_0699 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      In Gunn's defense, his Suicide Squad content barely connects to anything. I don't think even Margot Robbie's Quinn makes any references to herself in the DCEU prior to the movie. Ayer's Suicide Squad makes reference to the "dead Superman" and has Batfleck in it. But Gunn's is really disconnected.
      Same with Shazam, which didn't show Cavill. These movies could easily fit forward. And I think they are more in keeping with the light-hearted happy time that Gunn wants for the DCU. I suspect that Blue Beetle is also very disconnected. If so, and it's a hit, I can see Gunn pulling it forward too. It's just a matter of inserting it into the timeline somewhere in their "biggest story ever told."

    • @TheGundamsword
      @TheGundamsword 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @msgt4120 but it does considering several characters in it show up in Peacemaker and Black Adam. 😂

    • @MSgt_0699
      @MSgt_0699 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheGundamsword But Peacemaker is the Suicide Squad content. And one of those actresses in Black Adam originates with Peacemaker. The other (Amanda Waller) could easily just have originated with Gunn's Suicide Squad. She makes no reference of herself in prior DCEU movies.
      From what I remember, Gunn's Suicide Squad could easily have been a disconnected one-off. Even that dumb Birds of Prey sits by itself.

    • @TheGundamsword
      @TheGundamsword 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MSgt_0699 nope. It's still in the canon. There's no real disconnect. And don't forget Jason Mamoa and Ezra Miller are in Peacemaker. 😂

    • @MSgt_0699
      @MSgt_0699 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheGundamsword No, I get what you are saying. But "canon" is in the minds of the watcher after somebody somewhere defined what is canon. ZSJL replaces Josstice League in my canon. Boom.
      But, YUP. Momoa and Miller are in Peacemaker. Forgot about them. That's an issue. If Gunn is honest about every damn thing being connected in his DCU, and includes his Peacemaker/Suicide Squad, it pulls Snyder's JL into it. Oops.

  • @aksandcurtains5647
    @aksandcurtains5647 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I honestly just wanted WB/DC to let Zack finish his story and then do whatever they wanted after. Now it's just a soap opera behind the scenes.

  • @auPretender
    @auPretender 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I couldn't agree more. I'm on the side of lost patience and having no good will left. I take it as a spit in the face to Cavill and the fans. The first action of Gunn, after WB telling Cavill to announce and the fan base going crazy...fire him. Why? Because he's got a great idea he's been working on for about a year, after passing on Superman because its not that fun.
    The first action should be satisfying the audience; the same audience that's been very vocal about what we want.
    Just more proof they don't care about the audience.
    I think the audience was united on one thing and he got booted out the door. No good will from me.
    All the best for a safe and Happy Holiday to you and your family 🎄🙏👍

    • @TheKoolSection
      @TheKoolSection  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The drama around DC is exhausting smh. Happy Holidays to you as well!🎄

    • @MSgt_0699
      @MSgt_0699 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, it will come down to the first couple movies. They absolutely have to be grand slam home runs. I suspect a lot of people are going to wait to see the scores. As a side note, that's sort of what people are starting to do with Marvel now too. I didn't even bother with Love & Thunder or Wakanda Forever. I think the shared universe craze is pretty much worn out.

    • @TheKoolSection
      @TheKoolSection  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@MSgt_0699 I agree 100%

    • @MSgt_0699
      @MSgt_0699 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheKoolSection There lies the tragedy. DC has historically raised the bar in this genre. Along comes the one-rut MCU and WB becomes obsessed to copy it for DC. Movies start to suffer. In the meantime, outside of the DCEU, WB pops out Joker and The Batman, raising the bar, while the MCU lazily trucks along.
      My point is that if this DCU is as hum-drum as the MCU is, we will be denied epic movies that may have happened. Such as..an epic Superman franchise. Maybe an epic Green Lantern franchise. Or and epic Lobo franchise. And so on. Because these characters will be presented less-than in the DCU.

  • @w.hendrixx
    @w.hendrixx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm completely done with DC at this point. That Henry Cavill news was enough for me.

  • @refugio1593
    @refugio1593 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The DC community is divided now more than ever! This whole situation has been a downhill ride for the Snyderverse fans. You can't say you're a Snyderverse fan, turn around, and believe in the DCU reboot. That doesn't make any sense. Yes, there is always time for a change. This was not the time! This is not what the fans wanted, but will be forced into it. James Gunn claims that the new Superman movie will not be an origin movie. Yes, that is refreshing, but what is wrong with continuing the Snyderverse? He's also an egotistical liar. From the start, he knew exactly what he was going to do. Man, I had my hopes up when the executive change happened. Gunn and Safran are going to destroy DC comics, and history will repeat itself. Besides Matt Reeves' Batman, who is said to remain in its universe. I will continue to his masterpiece. I love and respect what Reeves has done with the new Batman. I'm not watching the rest of James Gunn's garbage.

  • @MrSFblack
    @MrSFblack 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm becoming more and more convinced that DC's cinematic universe is just doomed to be mismanaged and run into the ground no matter who's in charge of it. Seeing the new regime make similar mistakes of the old one gives me no relief and further divides the fandom. If Gunn and company really think that getting rid of everyone and rebooting everything will solve all of DC's problems, they're in for a rude awakening when they see just how big that divide is. Because they've pretty much rendered the remaining films that have already been greenlit utterly pointless, as well as putting their would-be reboot off to a rough start with the disappointing news of Henry Cavill's dismissal. You can't expect anyone to be excited for a new cinematic universe after unceremoniously abandoning the old one without any payoff. And if one or two movies in their reboot get a less than stellar reception, another knee-jerk reaction might be what causes WB to give up on DC films.

  • @113KILL5
    @113KILL5 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hard agree

  • @melonman8334
    @melonman8334 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I Hope he becomes Jor-El

    • @TheKoolSection
      @TheKoolSection  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mentioned the same thing to my lady a few days ago. Either that or a Superman villain with prominence. Watching him play Zod would be an interesting change but that's retreading characters we've already seen.

  • @patrickolinger7172
    @patrickolinger7172 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im Tired Of DC Fans Being Divided We Need To Unite I Dont Think Marvel Has Ever Had divided Fans

  • @russvegaspd
    @russvegaspd 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    They should’ve given us another Henry Cavill Superman, and then maybe finish off with them all fighting Darkseid in the very least. It would’ve been easier on them when they did make the switch. They’ve divided their fan base so much I fear that even if Gunn’s Superman movie is good it won’t be a box office hit which in turn will make WB panic like they always do👎🏻. I personally won’t be going to the movies to see next year’s movies now, there is no point 🤷🏻‍♂️. Subscribed 👍🏻

    • @russvegaspd
      @russvegaspd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Anyelo Perez it would make more sense that just ending the current slate with no out planned. It will take a couple years at the least to see his vision get started. In that time they could’ve continued with what they have coming out and two new movie’s to end this run. It would have made the transition easier. I agree you can’t please everyone and believe it needs to be started from scratch but to just come out and say your changing when you still have three movies coming out in the start of 2023 is basically telling everyone don’t go see these movies because they are going to be left open with no ending to that universe🤷🏻‍♂️.

  • @kickinswifty5136
    @kickinswifty5136 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm done paying for DC movies we waited years for Henry to come back to play Superman then they dump him and all the others are going to go as well.
    They put 10 years together and now we are supposed to accept newbies playing the roles of wonder woman aquaman.
    No sorry I'm through no rebooties.

  • @johnnycolemanjr.199
    @johnnycolemanjr.199 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    We'll keep going to the theater for 1 reason. Hope. If you're a true DC fan we have to have hope. I'll miss Cavill as Superman. He was perfect for the roll. He didn't write the awful movies that he was in. He's been dogged straight out by WB and now the new regime. But we'll hope they cast well. We'll hope that they follow the source material. Hopefully this semi reboot will be "Superman Year One" or "Superman Man of Tomorrow ". And if they make these movies just follow the material. And don't make a ridiculous casting like Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor. If they want success just consult with the book writers or the animated teams. They don't have to reinvent the wheel here. They don't have to try and make it theirs. Just make it what it's supposed to be.

    • @TheKoolSection
      @TheKoolSection  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I couldn't stand Eisenberg as Luthor. He probably would've been better off playing some variation of The Riddler. Cavill will be missed, but we'll see what comes next.

    • @johnnycolemanjr.199
      @johnnycolemanjr.199 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheKoolSection Dumbest casting ever! Seems like they wanted Luthor to be Heath Ledgers Joker

  • @wubbaplays4341
    @wubbaplays4341 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Done with DC. They don't care about fans. Never have and never will.

  • @Aqua_Toad
    @Aqua_Toad 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My faith in the brand was just killed.

    • @MSgt_0699
      @MSgt_0699 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Better than me. I lost enthusiasm with Shazam. Fun movie and all, but the DCEU had lost it's dramatic appeal. With Cavill's brief return, I was looking forward to a solo movie, but had no interest in seeing him interact with a different Batman actor. The dynamic would not be the same.
      I suspect Gunn is going to copy hard Disney's MCU.

  • @AMileHiii93
    @AMileHiii93 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I want DC to be competitive with Marvel but they’re so damn messy & always making things 5x harder than it needs to be.

  • @GrayifiedX
    @GrayifiedX 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    No more Superman?

    • @maryzerey3295
      @maryzerey3295 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not anymore no
      But
      Good news for fans
      He is to produce and
      Star in Warhammer

    • @TheKoolSection
      @TheKoolSection  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not Cavill at least. A younger rebooted version is on the way.

  • @jcrispy178
    @jcrispy178 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I guess I spoke to soon when Cavill/Superman was going to face Brainiac. I hear rumors Te-Nashi( can't remember his first name Coates will do their Superman. DC messed up. We know that guy is racist.

    • @TheKoolSection
      @TheKoolSection  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Coates project should be trashed. The least WB could've done is have Cavill in a All-Star Superman one off film where he can play the character in the way he's wanted to.

  • @michaelkeudel8770
    @michaelkeudel8770 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gunn can take his flourescent Justice Leaque and stuff it, WB blew it this time, no longer interested,

  • @Jkingeditzz001
    @Jkingeditzz001 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    They aren't doing this for the actors, u guys don't get that and also from a buisness perspective the old cast would be too expensive to keep them for 10 years, so let's give them a chance first

    • @MSgt_0699
      @MSgt_0699 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You aren't wrong at all. But consider the chances:
      - Green Lantern. Panic...REBOOT.
      - MoS. OK, let's shove our reboot onto Nolan and Snyder's project and get to a Justice League movie as fast as humanly possible in a couple short 2 hour movies.
      - BvS. Let's chop 30 minutes off the theatrical version. Panned. Panic. Too dark so let's make a joke out of Ayer's Suicide Squad and then butcher it hard.
      - JL. Let's have Whedon "fix" it in a NEW DIRECTION. Flop.
      - Hamada comes in. Let's take the DCEU in a NEW DIRECTION and soft REBOOT.
      - Three flops later... Let's use the Flash movie to soft REBOOT and create an all female Trinity.
      - Discovery merger. Zaslav kills Hamada's plans and rescues the Snyderverse JL. Hires Gunn and then drops Cavill into Black Adam to signal the future.
      - Even if Black Adam didn't flop, Gunn's plans for his DCU is a hard REBOOT. Snyderverse completely finished.
      Chances? People are just worn out bro. According to the record, all it will take is for the first DCU movie to be less than exactly the exaggerated expectation that the studio builds up...and they will panic.

  • @filmgoblin5016
    @filmgoblin5016 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think this genre has run its course. Especially with James Gunn going to make dcu like MCU 2.0 it’s going to kill the genre for sure even if the movies are good.

  • @CarolCityCane305
    @CarolCityCane305 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m just glad affleck is gone as batman… in my eyes he was the worst Batman ever boring as fuck talked like a broken robot …I am pissed we are not going to get at least 1 more Keaton batman film with a burton I believe they deserve it

  • @mastersmmaandfitness7661
    @mastersmmaandfitness7661 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    #boycottwbd for me

  • @SaadNabil
    @SaadNabil 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't think It will work! Besides, The Batman '22 & Joker were both masterpiece! I'll wait until The Batman 2 & Joker: Folie a Deux!