I can't believe that you forget the "Cheers guys, cheers" in the end! It was the thrill of the trail that made you forget, I guess =D Keep up with your excellent videos.
I'm using the M9100 brakes on my XC bike and they're fantastic, plenty powerful enough with more modulation and a true weight weenie brake. I did consider the M9120s but thought they'd be overkill. The weight savings over XT are also so minimal, and even that extra opening on the underside of the lever is just another place for grit to get in!
You've point out silliness of cutting down on features just to split into price shelves. I saw video on YT (haven't watched) exploring how manufacturers split their products into price brackets by how much noise the product emits. They used vacuum cleaner as an example. So I assume cheap vacuum is not loud just cause it's cheap, but to make it more unwanted with time, and incentivise customer to "upgrade" World is messed up
I thought exactly the same when i tested them to the XT! I have switched my set up back to the XT what my bike came with 4 piston XT and moved on the XTR to a friend who wanted them! on an Emtb doesn't matter really the XT 203mm Ice tech standard on mine are incredible as they are and not even got the finned pads yet still standard! Alot easier to live with and maintain aswell i would think, my friend is happy with his new XTRs though so that's good, his bike came with TRP not bad by any means but can't beat shimano XT work horse's! I will be trying the vented resin pads in my XT now though only because got nothing more really i can spend on the bike lol bought everything I've needed to change on it before even took it out lol! Thats me though you know when your bike feels right and doesn't just sitting on!
I have the 4 pistons SLX on my go to XC/light trail bike. I love them and they do the job perfectly. I had MT7 pros on my enduro but did not like the levers. I changed the levers for XTs and I am very happy with this shigura frankenbrakes setup with plenty of power and shimano levers feel.
I run Shimano M6100 (Deore) front and back. They`re perfect my type of trail riding. It is sufficient brakepower. I dont need M6120 for most of the riding. I have though shifted from resin pads to metallic pads and shifted rotors RT-54 --> RT70 180mm that are compatible with metal pads.
For me Deore 4 Pots or even the MT520 do the job. The tool free reach adjust is just one more thing that can brake and the dimpled levers can't keep up with grip tape on the lever or good gloves. For me the biggest improvement are metallic pads and a proper bleed job.
I have a wide assortment of miss mash shimano brakes on my bikes. One bike has slx m675 on the front with XT m765 on the rear. The other bike has Deore m485 on the front with m675 on the back. And just purchased a bike with XTR m975. Love how simple the Shimano brakes are. Have Avid and hayes brakes in parts bins. Shimano's tend to be more reliable for me.
@@robroba10 one of my m765's had the bolt strip on the lever. Other than that they have been super reliable compared to my Hayes/Avid brakes(those have lots of piston seizing and leaking)
I am running SLX M7100 calipers and levers with 203 front and 180 rear SM RT86 rotors. Tons of stopping power. Completely satisfied and can't think of any reason to spend more money. Thanks for sharing
I'm replacing my RT66 rotors with the RTX rotors. If I had the XT rotors I'd probably not do it. My bike came with SLX 4 piston which I'm not going to upgrade. going to just ride them for a while until I have a reason to get new brakes.
Best explaining video on yt about these 2 brakes. So Xtr is better and stiffer and provide more power but it's about cooling too. The Xtr cool down better and absorb more heat so the braking power stays for longer not that much difference but still key to some riders. Both are still very good brakes and I'm struggling with I choose
I have the same XTR brakes for 6 months with 203/180mm rotors, really great brakes, but you are right i was checking the specs too and SLX, XT and XTR are same brakes. SLX does not have the dimples in levers like XT and XTR and bolts are steel instead of titanium but its the same brake. I would buy SLX if i was buing brakes again. There is about 170€ difference and you save few grams. I was riding CODE RSC last year and i found XTR better for trail and Enduro riding. RSC were stronger and grippier even with 180mm front could send me OTB with ease, and i would choose them for DH. You should try XTR/XT brakes with Magura MDR-P rotors, performance is so smooth and even after some crashes i could not manage to bend them. But ofcourse weight penalty is pretty big because its much thicker rotor mostly used on Enduro/DH bikes but i am rotor bender so its a perfect option for me haha.
I have MT520 on my bike and the wifey’s bike has XT. When my bike out of commission for 6 weeks I had to ride my wife’s bike and was impressed with the slightly better performance but massive improvement in modulation. When I got my bike back it confirmed it so I replaced mine with XT. Just another data point
Run Hope e4's lever adjustability is 💯 % on 180's + 160's used RSC's in the past, stopping power is insane on 200's +180's but love to try XTR's anyday.
Thank you for the great comparison🙏 I’m running the deore 2pod breaks with resinpads👍 on my HT also the deore 12speed is still going strong on it. On my superenduro/freeridebike I have the XT 4pods with metalic pads upfront and 12speed XT drivetrain. Also for shuttleing the best ever. I’m a diehard shimano guy and other than correcting my previous statement on your channel: “I like the deore shifting better then the xt” to “I love my XTs more” after 1O months of using them side by side. I am not going to change to sram ever my friend. ML and keep up the amazing reviews👌 Dave
I ride the slx 7120,I did not feel the difference in braking power between the 7120 8120 9120,but the difference in weight is certainly present and there is still a very big difference in price
Shimano says the XTR M9120 caliper features a MONO-BODY design which is machined from a single cold forged block to maximize rigidity and four ceramic pistons for perfect, Rider Tuned stopping power. However it is not mono-body it is two halves bolted together, BR-M9100 are the mono-body
Thanks, I really wanted to know if there was a tangible difference. But I think I'll stick with my Deore 4/2 setup. Works perfectly for me at the moment (great snappy action and feel which will haul me to a stop super fast.)
Very thorough review. The XT and XTR levers are different. Thickness and springs are different. I installed Flo Motorsport PRO 120 MTB LEVERS and I needed to procure XT style springs to make them work. I also added some nylon washers to lessen the rattle. I would like to know what is better about the XTR levers that make it worth a different part. In the previous version, they were carbon, so at least a material difference. Now, its hard to justify.
I've ridden Maguras since the RC33 came out. I called them rim crushers as they would destroy rims within a season of moderate riding. I now have Magura MT5 sport trail which offer 4 pot up front and 2 pot on the rear. I'm running 203/180 front and rear with no issues. I have these on three bikes, one DH, one Freeride/enduro and one one the GF rig, just so she can stop!!!
I run 203/203 with the MT7. It's not an overwhelming amount of power, yet I don't have to worry about not having the correct spare caliper: if I always have a 203 spare around, I can fix either front or rear.
What's the modulation like? Everyone is obsessed with all-out max power, but as an ex trials rider (many years ago btw) I'm desperate to find the level of modulation (for manuals etc). ps. still have a set of original flouro yellow Magura HS33s in a box somewhere!
Thanks again for the content. Do you notice any appreciable difference in lever feel? Do you think there'd be any difference in modulation if adding an XTR (9120) lever to a Deore (6120) caliper, for instance? Cheers
Hi, and thanks for the review. Actually, it's exactly as I expected. No difference. I'm curious if free stroke adjustment does nothing in XTR same as in XT? I never heard that it works in Shimano.
I just installed the XT M8100 2-piston brake set, RT-76 160mm rotors on my hard-tail. 4-piston would have been overkill and more money for the type of riding I do.
I've had the new 8120 in 2020 and now run the 9120 (just because I got a good deal) and it's like you state @8:57 - it does make a difference on steep and long descends if you need to be hard on the brakes. Mellow trail riding, no difference.
I run deore 4 piston xt 4 piston, but all my new builds are magura. I am moving my xt 4 piston bike over to magura. Hc 5. Keeping my bike park bike deore 4 piston. Have a set of magura ebike brakes that started it all on my ebike Have a 4 piston 5 set as well but the extra few dollars my recommendation is hc5 red magura 4 piston super light.
At this point I already bought the 4 piston XT brake set at $249 so I'm sticking w/ these, and they work just fine. These are replacing Sram Code that I don't like?
Another great video my friend thx. I’ve said it before TSN needs to pick you up. 4 piston XT brakes must almost pull you off the bike. I think I will stay with Deore thou seems to be a all rounded group set. I’ll say it cheers 🍻 on this one hahahahah.
For what it’s worth. I don’t ride MTB as much as I fish. I strictly use Shimano reels in fishing. Just like there brakes they have high end and low end reels. The main difference is the materials they use. Bottom line the high end reels last years longer then the low end stuff. For what it’s worth.
I have the M9100 XTR race brakes. I really like the clean look of the lever without the reach adjustment . However I was thinking of trying the M9120 4 pistons. Will the M9120 calipers work well with the race brake M9100 levers ? Or would I be better off buying M9120 levers to match ?
My XTRs messed up and I had to get a the XTs in the rear I needed brakes for my upcoming trip to Sedona and let me tell you that the bite on the XTRs are better. Great thing about shamano they have a great warranty program so I’m waiting on my brand new set of XTRs soon 😎
@@LoveMTB I have both front and rear XTRs I went to get my brakes serviced at REI worst decision, they messed up something in the lever and it contaminated the brakes. That’s what this other guy at the bike shop told me cause they weren’t working correctly. They only had the XTs in stock and I needed brakes for my trip. But they said I can take the XTRs to a certified shamano seller and the trek shop sent in the messed up ones and I’m getting brand new ones for free. 3 year warranty. Shamano is legit 🤙
@@LoveMTB yeah something with the hydraulic piston cylinder idk but I’ll never take my bike to get serviced at REI again lol But yeah I can’t wait for my brakes 💪
@@MarioMartinez-is1cg Wouldn't let anyone touch my bike unless there is a warranty involved. Since I ride a trek I would take it to a certified trek shop. Though I'm thinking its just best to work and clean everything on the bike myself since its a good idea to be able to work on your own bike.
Weird decision from Shimano to replace the carbon levers (used on BL-M9020) with aluminum ones on their high-end brakes. Weight savings on cut-outs shouldn't make a brake that much more expensive (compared to XT's). Do you think the material swap on levers is only a cost reduction decision from their side, or do you have any information about possible problems with those? (personally I have a pair of BL-M9020's, and had any problem with them yet, maybe I was just lucky).
But…. Is it worth it to go for the XT over the SLX? I remember that long time ago you did a video converting an SLX brake into a XT basically changing the screw for the free stroke adjust and the cover Tanks for the video 🇨🇱
I find the deore off road 4 piston work amazing save lil cash works just as well and they hold up 200 mm rotor front 180 rear everyone that tries my bike askes about brakes
went exactly as expected. 9020 and m8100 were similar like this. back then xtr trail was on sale for 150 per and xt was 119 per so going xtr was kind of worth it just for the carbon levers and pretty finish. now, they are about $130 per apart or $250-260 per set. that's a lot for 40-50g and a pretty finish. furthermore, this time with mag calipers we have no idea what the long term reliability will be like. mag is normally used only on racecars but never street cars, even exotic ones for a reason. corrosion
Great review. Just came across your channel. I just bought 2021/2022 fuel ex7 with SRAM NX group set. Brakes are shimano 4100. I also bought separately the XTR group set to swap them. Initially I wanted to get the carbon frame in (raw carbon/rage red) but just can’t find them. Also, why pay so much extra for better components (gx or XT) when I am going to swap them with new XTR crankset, brakes and derailleur. My question is I don’t want to spend another $400-$500 for XTR cassette (sram PG1230 eagle on bike) and Extra $ for XTR rotors. What would you recommend? Should I go with XT rotors? Bike comes with shimano RT56 180mm rotors.
Great channel I'm running shimano xt 2 piston brakes they are pretty good thinking of buying a Specialized stumpjumper Pro but it comes with sram g2 rsc brakes never tried them I've been using shimano for years how do sram brakes compare with shimano XTR? 🤔
Hi I have the m8000 brakes and I would like upgrade them to 4 piston caliper and I need your help. I have 2 options: change only caliper to br-m7120 or change levers and calipers to magura mt5. To change to Slx calipers costs about 135€ and change to MT5 costs 160€. Which brakes are more powerfull? I have an ebike and my weigth is 73kg. For me the easyest option is only change the calipers with Slx but I have readen the MT5 are best brakes than Slx.
thx for this detailed review, it helps me a lot. can u say something about the pistons? i killed one piston of my 9120, as far as i know there are no spare parts avalible, so i need to buy a new caliber. can i buy a cheap slx caliber and use the piston from that for my xtr caliber?
@@LoveMTB thx for that fast response. hmm, i guess, if the diameters of the pistons are the same i can interchange it, but on otherside ... . should i risk it, and buy a slx caliber ? i cant belive they make diffrent pistons because ceramic parts are not cheap and make a lot of different variations are unnecessary expensive. i dont know.🤷🏻♂️
Hey there not much different aside from the bar clamp is pea A/B/II/EV. They always also talk about modified or improved Servo Wave but that would be hard to quantify unless you do back to back testing it would be close to impossible to tell
What about XT vs SAints? Have you test them out? Which one would you get? I have the saints on my old bike but on my new Nomad V6, I got SRAM Code R and they suck.... I just don't feel like spending 700$ for the saints again, XT at 529$ was smeeling good :) :) :)
question: new I-spec EV lever clamps are lacking the plastic band between the clamp and the handlebar that was found on previous versions of the levers. While installing some new SLX brakes I've noticed they are way harder to turn even with the bolt almost loose. Two of my riding buddies have the new XT brakes and they both damaged their levers while crashing, even if they keep the bolt fairly loose. Could this be the reason? too much grip between aluminium clamp and aluminium bar? what you guys think? any potential solution to this?
@@LoveMTB I've installed them with a thin slice of plastic and they seem to both hold well while riding, and turn if pushed firmly. hopefully this might prevent potential damage in a crash, which I wish I won't have to test myself, hehe ;)
I have XT M8120 which offer great performance, especially over previous Sram Guide Rs. Could not justify the price of XTR though for minimal if any performance upgrade.
Hey Paul. I am in the exact same scenario as you were. Currently I use the Sram Guide R on my Trek Slash and I want to upgrade my bike. Is the difference between these two brakes worth the money? Greetings from Austria
@@raphaelskop6034 Combined with Rt86 203/180mm rotors the XT brakes are brilliant, the Guide R just adequate. Had mine on the bike over a year now faultless and easy to bleed.
New to bicycles, i currently have SLX hydr brakes on my fatbike, 2 piston one in the back, as a bit heavier rider i'd like to have some more bite in the rear. Do you reckon if a change a 4 piston caliber i would achieve better braking force? Could i use the SLX brake lever with the 4 piston caliber? Do you know if the piston inside the lever assembly is same on SLX vs XT/XTR? As on my KTM motorbike, when i changed the 4 piston front caliber to a 6 piston caliber, i needed a bigger piston size lever assembly to push the appropriate amount of fluid to properly engage the 6 pistons without the lever to hit the bar.
Hi. Im wanting to buy the xtr 9120 caliper pair. I just installed xtr 9120 brake levers yesterday to my xt 4 pot calipers. I have read that theres only one caliper and you can use it for the front or rear. Most sellers dont seem tell you that. Is that correct?
Have Shimano changed the colour of the M8120 calipers? I want to swap out my M8100s. But it seems like they’re more of a silver colour than the dark gun metal when they were originally released. Doesn’t seem like they’ve changed the lever colour though. The ones in this video are light than some of your older videos.
The 8120 in this video on the Santa Cruz is the colour I’m talking about, lighter than before. In comparison to the set in this video th-cam.com/video/cVd4S_fyAv0/w-d-xo.html
Xtr, xt and slx 4 pistons brakes have the same construction. Main difference are the materials used for weight saving with slx being the heaviest of the 3 but only about 60 grams heavier than the xt. I d go for the slx personally.
well if i had a chance to get the xtr well why not.. but xt for me is perfect , riding for 2 years without any problem .. i think i don't need any upgrade just for a 20g lighter brakes in very high price. and also XT amd SLX are also identical.
I do like a lot of the things Shimano offer, but personally I would never get XTR equipment unless I was racing. The other thing in this day and age, is I see less and less bikes specced with Shimano(my assumption is simply delivery issues), so as I most likely will be purchasing a trail bike next year, I might go full SRAM which I thought I'd never do. For the commuter bike I have now I recently purchased the M6100 brakes which I will be running RT-66 rotors and resin pads for the winter time, and for the summer I will ugrade to RT-86 rotors and sinter pads. I like to try it at least to see what difference it will make.
@@LoveMTB As I will be running different pads for winter setup vs summer, I might as well change the discs to get full benefit of sinter pads, larger rotor, better rotor etc for cooler running temps in higher air temps. Each set will have less wear than normal as well, so it won't cost that much more per year. I've run the RT66 discs for years already, and they are fine, but nothing more than that. Only been using them with resin so far, and some older Avid juicy 5 brakes. For winter use I just want something that works, and the least amount of noise etc. I at least believe the RT86 discs of same size will cool better than the RT66, and I'm more than willing to try so I get personal experience. They are noticeable different in construction.
My reach adjustment on the lever is loose because the grommet is missing now. Does Shimano have an assembly kit or small parts kit that you know about?
A question Love: what do you think about non servowave Shimano MTB brake levers? I'm kinda considering them for replacement of leaking br-mt520 levers, hoping they might be more reliable due to simpler build, if not easier to disassemble, should an opportunity presents itself for smaller parts replacement, instead of whole lever. Shimano is marketing them(br-mt420 for example) as having quicker bite point, which is exactly, what happens, when servowave is removed, so it makes me smile a bit, how messed up marketing is. But also servowave causes the perceptible clicking, regarding friction bearing rolling on a lever blade part. I had that in 1 Deore 615, and 1 br-mt520, friend had it in 1 xt and so servowave is really adding to Shimano problems, that's why I consider going down in hierarchy and use lower non servowave models. But is it asking for more trouble with even cheaper parts?
@@LoveMTB well, yes there might be lever length difference, there are older MTB 2finger levers still floating around. Not sure what the 200 series uses, but I'm not sure if it's a flaw, unless there'd be a problem with reaching for shifter or dropper because of brake lever length. End of the day-despite the lever is longer and called 3finger, it is a (physics) longer lever = more force. Thanks for good points
My XT's are still in the box un-opened. I'm still using the Amazon Chinese $50 hydro red Anazon brakes. I mainly do wheelies on a fat tire ebike and I run a cheap Amazon 203mm rotor (12$) I get powerful save your arse braking when doing fast long wheelies down hill.....When these fail I'm moving to a chinese amazon 4 piston, then maybe the xt's later ...lol
I hear they have the same stopping power and someone mentioned you can use the finned XT pads on the 7120's as well. I hear performance wise there isn't to much of a difference in SLX, XT and XTR. Its more about materials and weight than anything else. I'm not an expert thats just what I heard. I've only used SLX.
My '21 Optic came with MT-420 and metallic rotors/pads, they are plenty strong enough for riding in Ontario but I'm planning to replace the brake levers at some point, they are way to long and even pushing them in-board of the handlebar, one-finger braking still hit my other fingers. I'll probably look for a set of SLX levers to replace them but have to learn how to bleed brakes first. XT/XTR seem just to pricey to me for the weight savings.
Slx m7120's here. Seemed kind of silly to buy the m8120's just for dimples on the levers and a screw that doesn't do anything. I've also read people don't like the finish of the slx and that it looks cheaper over the xt, I actually prefer the subtle look and the dark blue metallic flake look. If you aren't racing and don't absolutely need the dimples on the levers, the slx's are a no brainer.
Lot of this stuff is placebo, you won't get any performance improvements between the Deore 4 piston, SLX 4 piston, and XT 4 piston. IMO, it's better to buy the cheaper brake set, replace the lever with one that won't snap (Flo Motorsports Pro 120 Brake Levers), and get pads like MTX Gold or Red so you won't have a shrieking banshee of a bike when the rotors and pads get hot commonly associated with Shimano's sintered pads. The pistons are already ceramic, and coupled with ceramic pads, heat build up on the caliper is negligble. Get bigger rotors instead.
@@georgedaswani9155 I'll agree to some extent. Yes performance wise they all have the same however there are some things lacking from the deore like the tool free adjustment and finned pads that can cool them down faster. A banjo bolt connection could also be very beneficial for some with hard to reach places routing the brake lines, the biggest letdown though is the ispec ev on the deore for some reason has fitment issues with using some mismatched non ispec ev parts(all hear say)
@@25rsti15 the tool free adjustment isn't really an issue as nobody really messes with the reach trail side (and most of us carry a multi-tool anyways). One of the first thing I would do is to replace the levers with the "flo motorsports pro 120 levers" as breaking lever blades is a guarantee after crashing and finding shimano replacements right now is a pain. Those levers have reach adjustments built in - works on both XT and SLX levers, I'm assuming it fits the Deore brake levers as well. As for the pad material - honestly those finned pads are all for show IMO, as the Shimano pad material is still pretty bad for general trail riding. The resin pads pretty much suck (and melt), and the sintered pads shriek. The MTX ceramic pads are much better in all cases, and given the material it's made of, resists heat. The pistons are already made of ceramic so caliper heat soak is a none issue. Get bigger rotors if you want more surface area to get rid of heat, and proper brake pads.
@@georgedaswani9155 Out of curiosity have you tried the m6000's vs the m6120's, if so was there a noticeable difference in the lever action? I haven't tried the m6120's but I came from the m6000's and noticed a difference in throw from the m7120's. The lever itself is shorter too which I prefer. Also thanks for the mtx mention, I was wondering if anyone made ceramic pads for mountain bikes.
@@25rsti15 Sorry, I've only tried the BL-M6100, BL-M7100 and the BL-M8100 (and their corresponding 2 and 4 piston calipers). They all work the same way with the same lever feel as long as the bleeding was done correctly (with a bleed block). Levers and calipers are interchangeable between all three. Some of our local riders where who broke their SLX levers replaced it with XT, or XT -> Deore, or XT-SLX depending on what's available.
Do you know if your XTR brake pads fit into the 4 piston XT caliper? I have the 4 piston XT brakes and can't find pads anywhere but I can find the XTR ones in stock. I would greatly appreciate the response! great video bye the way!
@@LoveMTB Yep! I was curious as to why the 4 piston XTR brake pads said they don't work for a 4 piston XT when they look identical. Ill Order up some of the XTR ones and give them a shot! Thank you!
Im currently running the XTs on my 2021 Bronson C they came with the bike when i bought it. I thought of upgrading to XTR but dont think Its worth it for me. Im an intermediate rider at best and dont think i would benefit from having XTRs. I noticed you talked about calipers…i have the ICE Technology rotors. Is upgrading those a good idea? Thanks for the video
@@LoveMTB Thanks for reply :) Plastic washers can be just for crazy weight savings :) Without titanium and plastic hardware 8120 and 9120 can be same :) Maybe Shimano just hold this from previous generations :) There are so many descriptions with caliper material is aluminium.
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As much as I love XTR, XT 4 pot heavy duty reliability's served me well without worrying about fragility
I can't believe that you forget the "Cheers guys, cheers" in the end!
It was the thrill of the trail that made you forget, I guess =D
Keep up with your excellent videos.
I'm using the M9100 brakes on my XC bike and they're fantastic, plenty powerful enough with more modulation and a true weight weenie brake.
I did consider the M9120s but thought they'd be overkill. The weight savings over XT are also so minimal, and even that extra opening on the underside of the lever is just another place for grit to get in!
You've point out silliness of cutting down on features just to split into price shelves. I saw video on YT (haven't watched) exploring how manufacturers split their products into price brackets by how much noise the product emits. They used vacuum cleaner as an example. So I assume cheap vacuum is not loud just cause it's cheap, but to make it more unwanted with time, and incentivise customer to "upgrade"
World is messed up
I thought exactly the same when i tested them to the XT! I have switched my set up back to the XT what my bike came with 4 piston XT and moved on the XTR to a friend who wanted them! on an Emtb doesn't matter really the XT 203mm Ice tech standard on mine are incredible as they are and not even got the finned pads yet still standard! Alot easier to live with and maintain aswell i would think, my friend is happy with his new XTRs though so that's good, his bike came with TRP not bad by any means but can't beat shimano XT work horse's! I will be trying the vented resin pads in my XT now though only because got nothing more really i can spend on the bike lol bought everything I've needed to change on it before even took it out lol! Thats me though you know when your bike feels right and doesn't just sitting on!
I have the 4 pistons SLX on my go to XC/light trail bike. I love them and they do the job perfectly. I had MT7 pros on my enduro but did not like the levers. I changed the levers for XTs and I am very happy with this shigura frankenbrakes setup with plenty of power and shimano levers feel.
Thanks for sharing. I come across that configuration in the forums from time to time.
Using the BR-M8120 with 203/180 on my Hightower V2. So far, so good. The free stroke screw does work, at least on mine☺️
I run Shimano M6100 (Deore) front and back. They`re perfect my type of trail riding. It is sufficient brakepower. I dont need M6120 for most of the riding. I have though shifted from resin pads to metallic pads and shifted rotors RT-54 --> RT70 180mm that are compatible with metal pads.
For me Deore 4 Pots or even the MT520 do the job. The tool free reach adjust is just one more thing that can brake and the dimpled levers can't keep up with grip tape on the lever or good gloves. For me the biggest improvement are metallic pads and a proper bleed job.
Mt520 Calipers are the 6100 calipers. Just different paint job
I use XT M8000 2 piston brakes, and recently, I replaced brake levers. I installed new M8100 levers and everything work fine. Very good braking power.
I have the XTR M9000 and I love it
I have a wide assortment of miss mash shimano brakes on my bikes. One bike has slx m675 on the front with XT m765 on the rear. The other bike has Deore m485 on the front with m675 on the back. And just purchased a bike with XTR m975. Love how simple the Shimano brakes are. Have Avid and hayes brakes in parts bins. Shimano's tend to be more reliable for me.
Do you have any issues with running the older shimanos in modern times? I'm looking at a pair of the m965 on Craigslist right now
@@robroba10 one of my m765's had the bolt strip on the lever. Other than that they have been super reliable compared to my Hayes/Avid brakes(those have lots of piston seizing and leaking)
I am running SLX M7100 calipers and levers with 203 front and 180 rear SM RT86 rotors. Tons of stopping power. Completely satisfied and can't think of any reason to spend more money. Thanks for sharing
I'm replacing my RT66 rotors with the RTX rotors. If I had the XT rotors I'd probably not do it. My bike came with SLX 4 piston which I'm not going to upgrade. going to just ride them for a while until I have a reason to get new brakes.
Best explaining video on yt about these 2 brakes. So Xtr is better and stiffer and provide more power but it's about cooling too. The Xtr cool down better and absorb more heat so the braking power stays for longer not that much difference but still key to some riders. Both are still very good brakes and I'm struggling with I choose
I have the same XTR brakes for 6 months with 203/180mm rotors, really great brakes, but you are right i was checking the specs too and SLX, XT and XTR are same brakes. SLX does not have the dimples in levers like XT and XTR and bolts are steel instead of titanium but its the same brake. I would buy SLX if i was buing brakes again. There is about 170€ difference and you save few grams. I was riding CODE RSC last year and i found XTR better for trail and Enduro riding. RSC were stronger and grippier even with 180mm front could send me OTB with ease, and i would choose them for DH.
You should try XTR/XT brakes with Magura MDR-P rotors, performance is so smooth and even after some crashes i could not manage to bend them. But ofcourse weight penalty is pretty big because its much thicker rotor mostly used on Enduro/DH bikes but i am rotor bender so its a perfect option for me haha.
I have MT520 on my bike and the wifey’s bike has XT. When my bike out of commission for 6 weeks I had to ride my wife’s bike and was impressed with the slightly better performance but massive improvement in modulation. When I got my bike back it confirmed it so I replaced mine with XT. Just another data point
I could just watch your videos all day.
I run Saint levers with mt520 calipers, 203/180 RT86 icetech rotors, and fined H01a brake pads, can't complain, very good budget setup.
Run Hope e4's lever adjustability is 💯 % on 180's + 160's used RSC's in the past, stopping power is insane on 200's +180's but love to try XTR's anyday.
@@LoveMTB I always like the letter R's in Shimano
The XT brakes on my old bike accounted for 2 of the 3 parts that never got upgraded in the 12 years I had it. They simply work great are are reliable.
Thank you for the great comparison🙏
I’m running the deore 2pod breaks with resinpads👍 on my HT also the deore 12speed is still going strong on it.
On my superenduro/freeridebike I have the XT 4pods with metalic pads upfront and 12speed XT drivetrain. Also for shuttleing the best ever. I’m a diehard shimano guy and other than correcting my previous statement on your channel: “I like the deore shifting better then the xt” to “I love my XTs more” after 1O months of using them side by side.
I am not going to change to sram ever my friend.
ML and keep up the amazing reviews👌
Dave
@@LoveMTB you are welcome and happy trails😎
Xt all day for me brother 👊
I ride the slx 7120,I did not feel the difference in braking power between the 7120 8120 9120,but the difference in weight is certainly present and there is still a very big difference in price
I don’t ride shimano brakes I’m sure there great but love contactpoint adjustment. Thanks for the great content!
Shimano says the XTR M9120 caliper features a MONO-BODY design which is machined from a single cold forged block to maximize rigidity and four ceramic pistons for perfect, Rider Tuned stopping power.
However it is not mono-body it is two halves bolted together, BR-M9100 are the mono-body
😂
Thanks, I really wanted to know if there was a tangible difference. But I think I'll stick with my Deore 4/2 setup. Works perfectly for me at the moment (great snappy action and feel which will haul me to a stop super fast.)
Very thorough review. The XT and XTR levers are different. Thickness and springs are different. I installed Flo Motorsport PRO 120 MTB LEVERS and I needed to procure XT style springs to make them work. I also added some nylon washers to lessen the rattle. I would like to know what is better about the XTR levers that make it worth a different part. In the previous version, they were carbon, so at least a material difference. Now, its hard to justify.
For what i understand, the xtr have a better leverage because of the newer design of the sevo wave? Less pull movement but more power.
Ish...same with new XT/SLX/ Deore
I've ridden Maguras since the RC33 came out. I called them rim crushers as they would destroy rims within a season of moderate riding. I now have Magura MT5 sport trail which offer 4 pot up front and 2 pot on the rear. I'm running 203/180 front and rear with no issues. I have these on three bikes, one DH, one Freeride/enduro and one one the GF rig, just so she can stop!!!
I run 203/203 with the MT7. It's not an overwhelming amount of power, yet I don't have to worry about not having the correct spare caliper: if I always have a 203 spare around, I can fix either front or rear.
What's the modulation like? Everyone is obsessed with all-out max power, but as an ex trials rider (many years ago btw) I'm desperate to find the level of modulation (for manuals etc). ps. still have a set of original flouro yellow Magura HS33s in a box somewhere!
And a year later I am looking for brake pads once again! May I suggest a follow up video on the various pads you can buy?
Good idea!
Thanks again for the content. Do you notice any appreciable difference in lever feel? Do you think there'd be any difference in modulation if adding an XTR (9120) lever to a Deore (6120) caliper, for instance? Cheers
@@LoveMTB Many thanks. I'd like to try out Formula brakes at some point.
Hi, and thanks for the review. Actually, it's exactly as I expected. No difference. I'm curious if free stroke adjustment does nothing in XTR same as in XT? I never heard that it works in Shimano.
th-cam.com/video/D0uSTtDWbI8/w-d-xo.html
I just installed the XT M8100 2-piston brake set, RT-76 160mm rotors on my hard-tail. 4-piston would have been overkill and more money for the type of riding I do.
Great content! That was exactly what i was looking for
Glad it was helpful!
excellent review as always! I using slx 7100 brakes with rt70 180/160 on my polygon extrada, everything is fine
M6120 front and M6100 rear with 180mm RT66 rotors on my Merida One Twenty 8000.
I've had the new 8120 in 2020 and now run the 9120 (just because I got a good deal) and it's like you state @8:57 - it does make a difference on steep and long descends if you need to be hard on the brakes. Mellow trail riding, no difference.
I run deore 4 piston xt 4 piston, but all my new builds are magura. I am moving my xt 4 piston bike over to magura. Hc 5. Keeping my bike park bike deore 4 piston. Have a set of magura ebike brakes that started it all on my ebike
Have a 4 piston 5 set as well but the extra few dollars my recommendation is hc5 red magura 4 piston super light.
At this point I already bought the 4 piston XT brake set at $249 so I'm sticking w/ these, and they work just fine. These are replacing Sram Code that I don't like?
You have better brakes now!
Another great video my friend thx. I’ve said it before TSN needs to pick you up. 4 piston XT brakes must almost pull you off the bike. I think I will stay with Deore thou seems to be a all rounded group set. I’ll say it cheers 🍻 on this one hahahahah.
I use xt 4 port m8120 and never had an issue wouldn't pay the extra for xtr over the xt on anything tbh
For what it’s worth. I don’t ride MTB as much as I fish. I strictly use Shimano reels in fishing. Just like there brakes they have high end and low end reels. The main difference is the materials they use. Bottom line the high end reels last years longer then the low end stuff.
For what it’s worth.
I heard that XTR parts are also mechanic friendly just as for the rider. Maybe even more spare parts for XTR than XT
Always thank you to giving idea about high end components of bike
I have the M9100 XTR race brakes. I really like the clean look of the lever without the reach adjustment . However I was thinking of trying the M9120 4 pistons. Will the M9120 calipers work well with the race brake M9100 levers ? Or would I be better off buying M9120 levers to match ?
My XTRs messed up and I had to get a the XTs in the rear I needed brakes for my upcoming trip to Sedona and let me tell you that the bite on the XTRs are better.
Great thing about shamano they have a great warranty program so I’m waiting on my brand new set of XTRs soon 😎
@@LoveMTB I have both front and rear XTRs I went to get my brakes serviced at REI worst decision, they messed up something in the lever and it contaminated the brakes. That’s what this other guy at the bike shop told me cause they weren’t working correctly.
They only had the XTs in stock and I needed brakes for my trip.
But they said I can take the XTRs to a certified shamano seller and the trek shop sent in the messed up ones and I’m getting brand new ones for free.
3 year warranty. Shamano is legit 🤙
@@LoveMTB yeah something with the hydraulic piston cylinder idk but I’ll never take my bike to get serviced at REI again lol
But yeah I can’t wait for my brakes 💪
@@MarioMartinez-is1cg Wouldn't let anyone touch my bike unless there is a warranty involved. Since I ride a trek I would take it to a certified trek shop. Though I'm thinking its just best to work and clean everything on the bike myself since its a good idea to be able to work on your own bike.
Olá.
Já teve alguma experiência com o FÓRMULA CURA?
Weird decision from Shimano to replace the carbon levers (used on BL-M9020) with aluminum ones on their high-end brakes. Weight savings on cut-outs shouldn't make a brake that much more expensive (compared to XT's).
Do you think the material swap on levers is only a cost reduction decision from their side, or do you have any information about possible problems with those? (personally I have a pair of BL-M9020's, and had any problem with them yet, maybe I was just lucky).
But…. Is it worth it to go for the XT over the SLX? I remember that long time ago you did a video converting an SLX brake into a XT basically changing the screw for the free stroke adjust and the cover
Tanks for the video 🇨🇱
I find the deore off road 4 piston work amazing save lil cash works just as well and they hold up 200 mm rotor front 180 rear everyone that tries my bike askes about brakes
What does it mean that the bolts are for 160mm rotors (3:39)? Does it mean one cannot run 180mm with an adapter?
went exactly as expected. 9020 and m8100 were similar like this. back then xtr trail was on sale for 150 per and xt was 119 per so going xtr was kind of worth it just for the carbon levers and pretty finish. now, they are about $130 per apart or $250-260 per set. that's a lot for 40-50g and a pretty finish. furthermore, this time with mag calipers we have no idea what the long term reliability will be like. mag is normally used only on racecars but never street cars, even exotic ones for a reason. corrosion
Great review. Just came across your channel. I just bought 2021/2022 fuel ex7 with SRAM NX group set. Brakes are shimano 4100. I also bought separately the XTR group set to swap them. Initially I wanted to get the carbon frame in (raw carbon/rage red) but just can’t find them. Also, why pay so much extra for better components (gx or XT) when I am going to swap them with new XTR crankset, brakes and derailleur. My question is I don’t want to spend another $400-$500 for XTR cassette (sram PG1230 eagle on bike) and Extra $ for XTR rotors. What would you recommend? Should I go with XT rotors? Bike comes with shimano RT56 180mm rotors.
Nice review, thanks dude!
You’re welcome ☺️
Great channel I'm running shimano xt 2 piston brakes they are pretty good thinking of buying a Specialized stumpjumper Pro but it comes with sram g2 rsc brakes never tried them I've been using shimano for years how do sram brakes compare with shimano XTR? 🤔
Cool vid 👍🏼 where are those trails you run in this vid .
correct hose BH90_SBM banjo is black and coated for corrosion not the bolt....
Hi
I have the m8000 brakes and I would like upgrade them to 4 piston caliper and I need your help. I have 2 options: change only caliper to br-m7120 or change levers and calipers to magura mt5. To change to Slx calipers costs about 135€ and change to MT5 costs 160€.
Which brakes are more powerfull? I have an ebike and my weigth is 73kg. For me the easyest option is only change the calipers with Slx but I have readen the MT5 are best brakes than Slx.
thx for this detailed review, it helps me a lot. can u say something about the pistons? i killed one piston of my 9120, as far as i know there are no spare parts avalible, so i need to buy a new caliber. can i buy a cheap slx caliber and use the piston from that for my xtr caliber?
@@LoveMTB thx for that fast response. hmm, i guess, if the diameters of the pistons are the same i can interchange it, but on otherside ... . should i risk it, and buy a slx caliber ? i cant belive they make diffrent pistons because ceramic parts are not cheap and make a lot of different variations are unnecessary expensive. i dont know.🤷🏻♂️
Hi there can you make a video about comparison on shimano slx m675 or any old model's to the new m7000 or m7100 brakes thanks
Hey there not much different aside from the bar clamp is pea A/B/II/EV. They always also talk about modified or improved Servo Wave but that would be hard to quantify unless you do back to back testing it would be close to impossible to tell
What about XT vs SAints? Have you test them out? Which one would you get? I have the saints on my old bike but on my new Nomad V6, I got SRAM Code R and they suck.... I just don't feel like spending 700$ for the saints again, XT at 529$ was smeeling good :) :) :)
Bike mechanics in Whistler still use the Saints...
Formula Cura 4 is my pick. However I would like to try XTR
question: new I-spec EV lever clamps are lacking the plastic band between the clamp and the handlebar that was found on previous versions of the levers. While installing some new SLX brakes I've noticed they are way harder to turn even with the bolt almost loose. Two of my riding buddies have the new XT brakes and they both damaged their levers while crashing, even if they keep the bolt fairly loose. Could this be the reason? too much grip between aluminium clamp and aluminium bar? what you guys think? any potential solution to this?
@@LoveMTB I've installed them with a thin slice of plastic and they seem to both hold well while riding, and turn if pushed firmly. hopefully this might prevent potential damage in a crash, which I wish I won't have to test myself, hehe ;)
I have XT M8120 which offer great performance, especially over previous Sram Guide Rs. Could not justify the price of XTR though for minimal if any performance upgrade.
Hey Paul. I am in the exact same scenario as you were. Currently I use the Sram Guide R on my Trek Slash and I want to upgrade my bike. Is the difference between these two brakes worth the money? Greetings from Austria
@@raphaelskop6034 Combined with Rt86 203/180mm rotors the XT brakes are brilliant, the Guide R just adequate. Had mine on the bike over a year now faultless and easy to bleed.
@@ingopaul67 thank you so much for your fast reply.
Your are the best, the very best! Thank you so much for such another great video. I look forward to every video.
New to bicycles, i currently have SLX hydr brakes on my fatbike, 2 piston one in the back, as a bit heavier rider i'd like to have some more bite in the rear. Do you reckon if a change a 4 piston caliber i would achieve better braking force? Could i use the SLX brake lever with the 4 piston caliber? Do you know if the piston inside the lever assembly is same on SLX vs XT/XTR? As on my KTM motorbike, when i changed the 4 piston front caliber to a 6 piston caliber, i needed a bigger piston size lever assembly to push the appropriate amount of fluid to properly engage the 6 pistons without the lever to hit the bar.
Hi. Im wanting to buy the xtr 9120 caliper pair. I just installed xtr 9120 brake levers yesterday to my xt 4 pot calipers. I have read that theres only one caliper and you can use it for the front or rear. Most sellers dont seem tell you that. Is that correct?
Have Shimano changed the colour of the M8120 calipers? I want to swap out my M8100s. But it seems like they’re more of a silver colour than the dark gun metal when they were originally released. Doesn’t seem like they’ve changed the lever colour though. The ones in this video are light than some of your older videos.
The 8120 in this video on the Santa Cruz is the colour I’m talking about, lighter than before.
In comparison to the set in this video th-cam.com/video/cVd4S_fyAv0/w-d-xo.html
@@LoveMTB Thanks, is this the same set of brakes then?
O Sr.Could you tell me if the m9000 carbon lever can be installed on the m6000 lever?
Xtr, xt and slx 4 pistons brakes have the same construction. Main difference are the materials used for weight saving with slx being the heaviest of the 3 but only about 60 grams heavier than the xt. I d go for the slx personally.
@@LoveMTB 😂
is it 60g all in the two calipers?
Or about 30 in caliper 30 in levers?
Awesome dude. Thanks, I have M8120's on mine but cheap rotors
well if i had a chance to get the xtr well why not.. but xt for me is perfect , riding for 2 years without any problem .. i think i don't need any upgrade just for a 20g lighter brakes in very high price. and also XT amd SLX are also identical.
Dude, have you try the "shiguras"?? Shimano Levers, and Magura calipers? Could you do a video about it? Regards!
Are the XT M8120 noisy when engaging the brakes?
Do you have a video for M7120 vs the M8120?
i am currently running the xt m8000 brakes with dual 160mm rotors
@@LoveMTB which rotors would u recommend?
Oh and I have SLX 4 pods 180 front rear , thinking 203 front , just can’t figure out what adaptor to use on the pike and disk with 6 bolt .
Does XTR stuff still have a lifetime warranty? If so, I'm pretty sure that's the best (and only good) reason to go higher level than XT.
I have the XT M8120, i'm waiting for to see if Shimano update the saint brakes before i decide to get the xt again to build my second bike
I do like a lot of the things Shimano offer, but personally I would never get XTR equipment unless I was racing. The other thing in this day and age, is I see less and less bikes specced with Shimano(my assumption is simply delivery issues), so as I most likely will be purchasing a trail bike next year, I might go full SRAM which I thought I'd never do.
For the commuter bike I have now I recently purchased the M6100 brakes which I will be running RT-66 rotors and resin pads for the winter time, and for the summer I will ugrade to RT-86 rotors and sinter pads. I like to try it at least to see what difference it will make.
@@LoveMTB As I will be running different pads for winter setup vs summer, I might as well change the discs to get full benefit of sinter pads, larger rotor, better rotor etc for cooler running temps in higher air temps. Each set will have less wear than normal as well, so it won't cost that much more per year.
I've run the RT66 discs for years already, and they are fine, but nothing more than that. Only been using them with resin so far, and some older Avid juicy 5 brakes.
For winter use I just want something that works, and the least amount of noise etc.
I at least believe the RT86 discs of same size will cool better than the RT66, and I'm more than willing to try so I get personal experience. They are noticeable different in construction.
My reach adjustment on the lever is loose because the grommet is missing now. Does Shimano have an assembly kit or small parts kit that you know about?
A question Love: what do you think about non servowave Shimano MTB brake levers? I'm kinda considering them for replacement of leaking br-mt520 levers, hoping they might be more reliable due to simpler build, if not easier to disassemble, should an opportunity presents itself for smaller parts replacement, instead of whole lever.
Shimano is marketing them(br-mt420 for example) as having quicker bite point, which is exactly, what happens, when servowave is removed, so it makes me smile a bit, how messed up marketing is.
But also servowave causes the perceptible clicking, regarding friction bearing rolling on a lever blade part. I had that in 1 Deore 615, and 1 br-mt520, friend had it in 1 xt and so servowave is really adding to Shimano problems, that's why I consider going down in hierarchy and use lower non servowave models. But is it asking for more trouble with even cheaper parts?
@@LoveMTB well, yes there might be lever length difference, there are older MTB 2finger levers still floating around. Not sure what the 200 series uses, but I'm not sure if it's a flaw, unless there'd be a problem with reaching for shifter or dropper because of brake lever length. End of the day-despite the lever is longer and called 3finger, it is a (physics) longer lever = more force. Thanks for good points
Hey! I’m replacing the hose of a XTR brake set but I don’t find the BH90-SBM hose. You know if I can use the BH90-SB and replace the banjo?
Actually on Magura MT5 and will change soon to Deore XT on one Ebike
Hello dear! Did you feel any difference of brake Power comes from m6120 m7120 m8120, m9120 and shimano Zee (m640)?
@@LoveMTB a little difference? Hehehe.
Im running XTR m9120 2 pistons, can I change only brake clamp to XT 4 pistons ?
My XT's are still in the box un-opened. I'm still using the Amazon Chinese $50 hydro red Anazon brakes. I mainly do wheelies on a fat tire ebike and I run a cheap Amazon 203mm rotor (12$) I get powerful save your arse braking when doing fast long wheelies down hill.....When these fail I'm moving to a chinese amazon 4 piston, then maybe the xt's later ...lol
Whats your opinion between 8120 vs 7120? Do they have the same stopping power? Do they use the same pad type?
I hear they have the same stopping power and someone mentioned you can use the finned XT pads on the 7120's as well. I hear performance wise there isn't to much of a difference in SLX, XT and XTR. Its more about materials and weight than anything else. I'm not an expert thats just what I heard. I've only used SLX.
My '21 Optic came with MT-420 and metallic rotors/pads, they are plenty strong enough for riding in Ontario but I'm planning to replace the brake levers at some point, they are way to long and even pushing them in-board of the handlebar, one-finger braking still hit my other fingers. I'll probably look for a set of SLX levers to replace them but have to learn how to bleed brakes first. XT/XTR seem just to pricey to me for the weight savings.
Slx m7120's here. Seemed kind of silly to buy the m8120's just for dimples on the levers and a screw that doesn't do anything. I've also read people don't like the finish of the slx and that it looks cheaper over the xt, I actually prefer the subtle look and the dark blue metallic flake look. If you aren't racing and don't absolutely need the dimples on the levers, the slx's are a no brainer.
Lot of this stuff is placebo, you won't get any performance improvements between the Deore 4 piston, SLX 4 piston, and XT 4 piston.
IMO, it's better to buy the cheaper brake set, replace the lever with one that won't snap (Flo Motorsports Pro 120 Brake Levers), and get pads like MTX Gold or Red so you won't have a shrieking banshee of a bike when the rotors and pads get hot commonly associated with Shimano's sintered pads. The pistons are already ceramic, and coupled with ceramic pads, heat build up on the caliper is negligble. Get bigger rotors instead.
@@georgedaswani9155 I'll agree to some extent. Yes performance wise they all have the same however there are some things lacking from the deore like the tool free adjustment and finned pads that can cool them down faster. A banjo bolt connection could also be very beneficial for some with hard to reach places routing the brake lines, the biggest letdown though is the ispec ev on the deore for some reason has fitment issues with using some mismatched non ispec ev parts(all hear say)
@@25rsti15 the tool free adjustment isn't really an issue as nobody really messes with the reach trail side (and most of us carry a multi-tool anyways). One of the first thing I would do is to replace the levers with the "flo motorsports pro 120 levers" as breaking lever blades is a guarantee after crashing and finding shimano replacements right now is a pain. Those levers have reach adjustments built in - works on both XT and SLX levers, I'm assuming it fits the Deore brake levers as well.
As for the pad material - honestly those finned pads are all for show IMO, as the Shimano pad material is still pretty bad for general trail riding. The resin pads pretty much suck (and melt), and the sintered pads shriek. The MTX ceramic pads are much better in all cases, and given the material it's made of, resists heat. The pistons are already made of ceramic so caliper heat soak is a none issue.
Get bigger rotors if you want more surface area to get rid of heat, and proper brake pads.
@@georgedaswani9155 Out of curiosity have you tried the m6000's vs the m6120's, if so was there a noticeable difference in the lever action? I haven't tried the m6120's but I came from the m6000's and noticed a difference in throw from the m7120's. The lever itself is shorter too which I prefer. Also thanks for the mtx mention, I was wondering if anyone made ceramic pads for mountain bikes.
@@25rsti15 Sorry, I've only tried the BL-M6100, BL-M7100 and the BL-M8100 (and their corresponding 2 and 4 piston calipers). They all work the same way with the same lever feel as long as the bleeding was done correctly (with a bleed block). Levers and calipers are interchangeable between all three.
Some of our local riders where who broke their SLX levers replaced it with XT, or XT -> Deore, or XT-SLX depending on what's available.
Do you know if your XTR brake pads fit into the 4 piston XT caliper? I have the 4 piston XT brakes and can't find pads anywhere but I can find the XTR ones in stock. I would greatly appreciate the response! great video bye the way!
@@LoveMTB Yep! I was curious as to why the 4 piston XTR brake pads said they don't work for a 4 piston XT when they look identical. Ill Order up some of the XTR ones and give them a shot! Thank you!
I've tried lots of brakes from the low to high and the weight difference and performance is hard to differentiate between the groups.
You obviously never did Bike in Switzerland!
;)
Cheers
Good stuff 👍🏼 Thanks for posting.
But isn't R usually only lighter and more money
Titanium bolt cause corrotion on magnesium caliper? Well the fork lower legs threads are magnesium too..sooo
The new xtr had better modulation, xt is more snappie and is the install and forget brake
XT all the way… how about compare the Saint Vs The new XT Quad piston calipers?
Im currently running the XTs on my 2021 Bronson C they came with the bike when i bought it. I thought of upgrading to XTR but dont think Its worth it for me. Im an intermediate rider at best and dont think i would benefit from having XTRs. I noticed you talked about calipers…i have the ICE Technology rotors. Is upgrading those a good idea? Thanks for the video
@@LoveMTB Even God would be guessing!
Hi, thanks for detailed review. Are you shure about magnesium caliper in XTR (9120) version?
@@LoveMTB Thanks for reply :) Plastic washers can be just for crazy weight savings :) Without titanium and plastic hardware 8120 and 9120 can be same :) Maybe Shimano just hold this from previous generations :) There are so many descriptions with caliper material is aluminium.
Good Stuff! Thanks for this video!
Could you one day possibly make a video on rebuilding shimano brake levers?