"IS THE BLACK CHURCH DEAD? A ROUNDTABLE ON THE FUTURE OF BLACK CHURCHES"
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- "IS THE BLACK CHURCH DEAD? A ROUNDTABLE ON THE FUTURE OF BLACK CHURCHES"
During the first few months of 2010 a new, yet familiar, debate broke out about the role of black churches in the United States. What began as a provocative article on the Huffington Post elicited a wide range of responses from religious leaders around the country, ignited an online dialogue among academics, and sparked a plethora of essays across the blogosphere. These exchanges inspired a series of interviews on NPR, and, ultimately, the dialogue was featured in the New York Times.
Bringing together a group of distinguished voices who represent the worlds of both church and academia, this roundtable conversation will build on many of the themes that emerged in the above debate with the hopes of helping to highlight, clarify and query some of the most pressing challenges and promising developments that occupy the American religious landscape. A number of critical issues-including religious pluralism, gender exclusion, marriage equality, class divisions and the persistence of racial inequality-in contemporary society will be on the table in this discussion of the
Participants to include:
Prof. Anthea Butler, Associate Professor and Graduate Chair of Religion - University of Pennsylvania
Eddie Glaude, Jr.; Professor of Religion & African American Studies and Chair, The Center for African-American Studies - Princeton University
Prof. Fredrick Harris; Professor of Political Science & Director of African-American Studies, Columbia University;
Prof. Obery M. Hendricks, Jr.; Visiting Scholar-Religion & African American Studies, Columbia; University; Professor of Biblical Interpretation - New York Theological Seminary
Rev. Dr. Eboni K. Marshall, Assistant Minister for Christian Education, Abyssinian Baptist Church-Harlem, New York
Rev. Otis Moss, III, Senior Pastor, Trinity United Church of Christ-Chicago, Illinois
Prof. Josef Sorett, Assistant Professor of Religion & African-American Studies - Columbia University
THIS EVENT IS CO-SPONSORED BY THE INSTITUTE FOR RELIGION, CULTURE & PUBLIC LIFE AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY
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Just because someone is willing to have a conversation with you doesn't mean they are willing to listen to you. These pastors will defend and preserve their way of life, their business.
That is definitely a part of the problem.
The question is the Black dead ??? Of course is dead , the Church is the Funeral Home , than they bury you in your grave !
They ask is the Black Church dead ??? The word Black it self implies something that is dead !
It was never about spiritual reality , Spiritual Living . it created a false sense of spirituality !
Black is the absence of Light ( knowledge , Truth , consciousness , awareness . Black according to science means , Lifeless , Death , Sinful ,Evil , and Wick ! The Black Church was Never alive !
It was created for the Pale race for their earthy justification for living . I mean , they (Pale race) are the Seed of Cain , the tiller of the soil ! It represents Dead , it glorifies Death . The Church is the Senate of Rome , and Christianity is its religion ( Western Free Masonry) The head of the Christian world , the Pope , therefore, they maintain Superiority ( European imperialism ) over the Black Churches and any other melinaned people for that matter .
Let me remind y'all Black is the Void of life , meaning no growth and no development !
That’s the whole problem. The roman Catholic Church is the reason so many pastors teach the same thing called prosperity. Our people have forgotten that these are the same people who destroyed Jerusalem and took everything and flipped it with false hope and lies. They used tithing as a tool to keep them (whites) rich
Wonder why you know so much about these characters 🤔 like they're lying to their constituents I mean congress I mean congressional I mean congregation.
@@epic6434 😂😂😂😂😂
You're Absolutely Correct. And my biggest question is, "Where has the money gone?" Decades of paying "tithes" and what business have black churches created? What schools?
So,so true. What if anything have the black church created? Drama!! You only get what you pay for after you die.
@@andrewdorsey6336 Exactly! Decades(DECADES) of Blacks pouring money into Black Churches and we have no Farming & Distribution Industry to speak of!
That's a retorical question ❓
>> "Where has the money gone?" Decades of paying "tithes" - it is deposited into banks that would never give loans to any member of the pastor's congregation. The money - instead - is gone to finance the businesses, goals and dreams of other people.
@@jkane764 Facts.
People have evolved and can see that the church has been a trick. When the black church starts helping the community more and living up to their mission then we will return.
Yeah the preachers of LA proved the tricks and tricky used of people being in the mist of the wizard of oz
This is churches in general tho
Teaching the laws and putting and teaching how to rebuild the family as well. That can all be taught by actually teaching out of the Bible
Holistically, Blacks are in a psychosis 🧠 and will never awaken to their true authentic selves or their original spiritual system. The church is a scam. The rhetoric is redundant. The End.
The church doesn't give you any answers, it keeps you from asking the questions.
Because they either don't know or don't want you to know the truth
We spend more time and focus on entertaining ourselves with music, dancing, and praise than we do studying the bible and our surroundings. Too many cowards in the church also. Too afraid to stand up and teach our people the truth for fear of them walking out in denial. We're still getting punked by Satan. Black preachers find some testicular fortitude and wake your people up. Partying and dancing in the name of GOD is NOT going to save us!
We’re the Israelites bro
Absolutely.
@@thadiscypal8874 nope...some could be, but not basic blacks
@@kathleenking47 its really no contest. the entire Bible is talking about us. do you know who comes from the tribe of Judah????
@@thadiscypal8874 NoCap
Wait, am I watching a discussion on "the black church" with pastors, teachers, etc with no bibles and no one saying thus says the Lord? I think you have the answer to the topic.
I'm glad you said that. I was waiting for it too. Smh
Jesus is the head of the church , but they going to make all the decisions and want Him to quietly go along with they narrative .
WAS SEARCHING FOR THIS COMMENT!!!
@@LilLynda stop lying. Why search when you could have just wrote it yourself
@@RichieDavid83 🤣
I was raised in the church as a young person. A lot of us refused to go because the churches have forgot about the community. With everything that’s going on in our community the churches says nothing. Whatever happened to feeding the community, after school programs for single parent children and going out to the community when our young with gang violence????
Pimp preachers now exist for entertainment purposes and tight pants. They lack morals and true Christian ethics.
Amen
Pope said and I quote give me your young till they are 6 and I will have them for life but guess wat the jig is now up mtf"s
The universities taught these people well all this talking in circles ...smh what is the point of having a formal debate if the common man cant understand a word of it. There's a saying "you must know something intimately to explain it simply" the double talk just comes off as pride in their education without any real ability to educate.
Socrates was a real, living person. We all have gifts and talents given without apology. High tide raises all ships unless holes are present.
You got it and there is no courage some are more cowardly than the KKK.
Fact.
A whole lot of intellectual waffle, it means nothing to the layman. Years ago I made a comment: the black churches, take,take and take again from the community and gave nothing in return. I became an enemy of that pastor until this day.
@@dannygeorge1928 yeah… they start out by say this is Doctor xyz and this is Doctor xyz …. And how does it help us???? What problems can they solve…. Not impressed
This conversation is exactly why as a body of believers we must stress being doers of the word and not just hearers.
AN TEACH THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST' NEW TESTAMENT/COVENANT FREE IN THE SPIRIT OF HOLINESS AN NOT THE LAW, WHICH IS BONDAGE AN CARNAL /THE FLESH
Even if they twist the "word" to put monies in their pockets and give "crumbs off the master's table"?
wow - heavy
I know our community will be more successful had we more scientists engineers Lawyers doctors and less pastors.
Well said. Well said. We own nothing as a community because we build more churches than we do anything else
I totally agree
I agree let's build less preaching.... To far behind other groups black business
amen
This statement is easily applied to all communities.
I hate when people use big words and have no idea what they are saying...
Critic Number 4, these are Dr's why wouldn't they know what they're saying. could it be that you don't understand what they're saying?
Keep the commandments
I didn't hear any big words.
THEY are just beating AROUND Bush. All that deflecting, talking about farms, deregulation, just
Smoke..No real change.
I am just trying to make sure I am clear. You said you "hate when people use big words and [they or you] ] have no idea what they are saying . . . "?
We need a return to Holiness and a move to rid our community from pimps, gangs and pushers...
Tell it like it is. Holiness.
True, however what the so called black church needs to understand is that Christianity is the problem, it's bondage/slavery especially when you have lukewarm preachers who don't study the Word for themselves and people who don't read for themselves and seek the wisdom of The Most High thru the Ruach (Spirit)...to understand who we really are and who that bible is talking about THAT'S OUR history!!! and once we understand that and then repent, do his laws, stautes, and commandments and seek His spirit....The Most High says then will he hear from His people and heal the land 😉
And pastors, preachers, apostles, etc..
that would mean getting rid of a great many of the churches, seriously.
Holiness means separate!! Christians don't understand that. We are Israelites not gentiles, the white supremacy Christianity we've been taught is the problem
They are still missing the point!
It is all about Status in the black church. I have yet to see a broke superstar preacher.
@Norris Cool I think that is a pretty large generalization. In this video they mention multiple times the fact that the Black churches and Pastors that are doing a great deal of the work in communities are not publicized. Also maybe these White Pastors that you are referring to are able to do as much as they do because they don't have to worry about themselves or a large portion of their congregation living in poverty. If your congregation makes more money in their careers and return a faithful tithe and offering, you can do more ministry. There are also white pastors that invest in themselves as well. I.e Kenneth Copeland. I do think you have a point about Black preachers though. Not all, but some focus on the here after rather than this life, but I wonder if that comes from being apart of a group of people that has historically suffered in this country. Maybe we focus more on the here after because we cling to the idea that there is has to be something better than this.
@Norris Cool black "churches"?!
You see, THIS is the problem and decline with the "church" regarding blacks. Everything is about RACE!!!
We glorify the very thought that we are BLACK, but fail to grasp the gospel of Christ on a whole in these temples....I !ean churches.
The very definition of church has been reformed to ft the narrative of the new age. This is why everyone with a title in the church is always posturing on each other and finding faults and arguments to engage in
@Norris Cool the church was created by Christ Himself thousands of years ago. We have followed the Catholic way of service and idolatry on a large scale.
Ever notice how everyone is sitting g so upright and "righteous" in stature and speech, but when they leave they don't speak that way.
This is a prime example of FALSE SALVATION!
So let's not continue to view the "church" as anything else that what it is. The word TEMPLE was used in biblical times to describe man-made buildings
Superstar ain't in God's vocabulary 👏👿 he wants workers !!!
And you never will
All of these big words with little substance! I kept feeling like I got in a car and road 500 miles to end up at a destination 50ft from my starting point.
Ben Ellis you nailed it.
Yes!
Well stated!!!!
Yes!
They REALLY needed to listen and let the people talk. The commentary given by the young female minister made little to no sense to me. They all hit on some valid issues but danced around personal accountability, the true gospel of Jesus Christ and the void of leadership in the black community.
The leadership is so geared towards entertainment and performances that it was painful to listen to these ministers try to ascertain what is going on in the church which includes a lot of manipulation.
Every Sunday in black churches across America collection plates are passed and parishioners insert their tithes and offerings. The very next day, as those funds are deposited in church bank accounts, the transfer of millions of dollars occurs as those funds are placed in financial institutions that are not owned by African Americans. However, the weekend’s wealth transfer does not end there. It continues throughout the remainder of the week as the majority of mortgage companies, landlords, insurance companies, and vendors most black churches utilize are also not African American-owned. This wealth transfer, estimated at billions of dollars per year, occurs largely unconsciously but its impact is enormous.
The transfer would not be so problematic if a reciprocating money stream was flowing from other communities into black-owned enterprises. In other words, if churches from other ethnic groups were collecting funds each weekend and transferring them to black-owned banks and businesses, the two realities would be balanced, with essentially one cancelling out the other. Instead all of the funds are moving in one direction-away from black communities and entrepreneurs.
Very well said👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
Couldn’t agree with you more 👍🏽
Whatever they're doing with the money is probably helping less fortunate African people maybe?
Exactly…Thank You
Well said!!!!! Black banks, schools, building strong black communities are imperative to the success of our race, culture, and livelihood….
When the comment section is more informative than the video.
I will let the Bible speak on this: Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
amen
Another thing is that the fact that we have a “black” church is part of the problem. Last time I checked, Jesus wasn’t focused on ones race, ethnicity, or nationality. It’s what’s in ones heart.
So why are there no people on the panel representing the Group that you claim won’t come to church?
You know why!
That part!
They didn't turn up.
That's why there always should be a part two video so we can show up and tell all of them the reasons that were missed.
Because they don't want to hear the truth.
I quote from my niece, " its okay to get a good job and move away, because THEY dont want to be helped!" As i was trying to tell her about the Mechanics, that has destroyed our family, she shunned kt off and said that stuff doesn't matter, we dont need that history. Too busy loving everybody else, building our enemy's reality, but since building ours is not the norm, my own family would rather swim with the bigger mass of blind fish. We can end it Now! Be men and women and take our streets back!
Don’t wait on her. You can be the change!
Couldn't finish watching this...too painful. Such education...Such misguided energy towards fable, fantasy and myth.
WELL SAID.
People are looking for Jesus to be the head , and they looking for truth !
Black church worshiping a white Jesus and celebrating they pagan holy days is a joke
what we need to do as a people is stop building these damn churches and start building libraries & school.
That’s true…. But as a slave in survival mode…… you’re just glad to a light bill paid
Hallelujah
What we need to do is keep God's commandments.
We need our own economy…. And I say again… a people that won’t treat you right will not teach you right and you can church that all you want…. Don’t y’all know if the oppressor believed in the Bible like he brainwashed you to believe you won’t have all the racism and bigotry…..you need to be saved alright…. But you first need to be saved from your self and his brain washing
These guys are lost like last years Easter Eggs! The black churches are dying because, black folks are tried of being ripped off! Both spiritually and financially!
Was not Paul called by Jesus and did he not preach Jesus to the non-Jews? If homosexual isn't a sin neither is lying, adultery, stealing, fornication, murder, etc.
These progressive preachers are progressing themselves out of the truth and into the lie.
Amen Timnel!
These are workers of iniquity. Most if not all these individuals in the panel belong to secret brotherhoods and sisterhoods.
The "Church"...Jesus is not coming back for the "BLACK CHURCH". He's coming back for His church... His Body of Believer's.. The word black church, don't sit right.... I understand the community of the black church, but people are people... All race has issues in there churches...satan is the father of confusion, he comes to steal, kill. and destroy lives... Jesus have Mercy on us all.
I do understand how the black church started during slavery, however we must move on and be a light to the whole world so they can see CHRIST in us not the black in US, Amen, if we don't we'll turn people away from the Gospel of Christ.
Amen
I can't listen anymore.
His voice and demeanor is boring and kinda feminine
@@comeagain9074 it's not because it's boing, it's because this is bullshit.
It's very hard not to skip around in this video. I hear a lot of big words, but no real substance.
This is a worldly conversation I am shocked we have lost site on holiness for acceptance
I am viewing this in 2022, 12 years after this discussion. The black church definitely seems to be dying and the pandemic lockdown only sped up the process. Older people found out they could enjoy the service relaxing in their pjs from home, and they are not coming back. The younger generations were not invested in attending (in person) pre- pandemic, so they are not replacing those who can no longer attend or participate. Too many confusing/conflicting messages given by pastors with their own agenda, so young people see no value in attending/belonging to any church.
And clearly not teaching what the Bible says.. steeped in traditions and hypocrisy...
Paul says in the New Testament, what fellowship does light have with darkness?
Come out from among them and be separate. II Corinthians 6:17 📖🙏🏾
I agree, but we can't use that excuse when we are judged. We have to give an account of what we doing and what we're not doing.
$$$$ If You Love Yahuah Or Yahushua Hamashiach He Said Keep My Commandments This Is Just Living Proof Satan Kids Who Works For Queen Mother Babylon Deceiving The People The Black Church Should Be The One Paying Reparations How Are You Going To Do For The Community When You Are Down With The Government Discernment Is A Must Wisdom Is To High For A Fool Utterly Amazing Ain't Some People Pitiful LOL $$$$ 🤑💪😁✌️🤑
Black feminists have destroyed the church…..it’s really disgusting really.
The So called Black Church, it was Never Alive
Hosea 4:6 - is a perfect summation
Are they still telling their people they are Gentlies.
Yes, these clowns have no understanding of the scriptures
And you need to remember the fear of the Lord, which is your wisdom.
The black church are a bunch of entertainers on the level of rap and hip hop artist
We need to have these conservations in each community for the improvement and progress of of Black Americans not only the church but education and addressing inner city violence
I'm injun black is a misnomer
WE ARE NOT BLACK, YOU IDIOTS!!!!! ISRAEL = BLESSED PRINCE AND NEGRO (BLACK) meaning CURSED SLAVE!!! JACKAZZZZEZZZZ
100% agree, also building up our community and helping the homeless, etc and I can go on and on.
@@christinecarmichael244
Need to keep the money in the community.. build our own neighborhoods, police our own neighborhoods.. so on and so forth..
CultureBanx noted When you read that African Americans have $1.4 trillion in spending power, it's an incredibly impressive number. Even more so when you realize that's more money than Spain, Mexico, Netherlands, Turkey, or Switzerland generate annually.
The African American population has historically held an extremely powerful position in the retail marketplace, as they have been known to drive trends across food, beauty, media, and more. Their influence will continue to grow as their buying power does - which is projected to reach $1.8T by 2024
Shalom my brother's and sister and observe y'all on point especially my brother in the purple tie but we need to realise that we are the lost sheep of the tribe of Israel and what we are going through is because of disobedience to the Almighty Deuteronomy 28 tells us that story and and pray that y'all tell that truth to assemble Halleluyah.
Some blacks are, but most arent.
I believe Ethiopia wasnt colonized because of the guy of Acts 8:28
And Ras Tafari (haile selassie)
@@kathleenking47 but most blacks that came on the slave ships are and so are their descendants
Shalom Brother....
They aren't on that level with *TMH.*
I got the impression they idolize church. Not realizing *TMH* does not dwelling in 4 walls built by man.
*The Most High Yah* was not their focus.
Shalom.
Facts 💯💯💯💯 it’s so funny how with all of them being Black historians, teachers of the word & professors they would know this & keep this at the forefront of their teachings & Universal discussions!
@@kathleenking47 didn't the scpriture say that the Israelites would go back into slavery (Deuteronomy 28.68 /) this time on ships and sold to their enemies.
King of kings from.the conquering tribe of Judah.
Judah means Jew.
Many Jews in the scriptures like Moses Solomon, Job , PAul, the prophets and teachers that taught in Antioch say they were black i
I will say yes, once the Black church take federal dollars it threatens their free tax status. This prevents them from speaking out against anything relative to Black people. We see no representation in church. The government has muzzle the Spirit of Jesus in the church. No turning tables and kicking any hypocrites out because keeping the IRS out of the church in my opinion has been seen a greater gift to the church
Seems like the black church is more of a bee hive than a house of Jesus Christ and house of the honorable reverend so and so. You spilled the wine.
@@epic6434 I walk in the Spirit of my Ancestors.. 😵💫😜
What government money are you talking about
@@anthonygilbert5138 Tax free status. The church also took money to push the jab on it's constituents.
Wow! Great discussion Ladies and Gentlemen. Due to bigotry and hypocrisy, I left the church a few years ago , but I appreciate this discussion greatly! My hat comes off to each and everyone of the panelists!
Explain the bigotry part.
Since Hypocrisy and Bigotry is interwoven in just about every corner of society brethren, I do empathize with you. Nvthls I humbly recommend that you continue seeking the Spiritual relationship through STUDY: 2 Timothy 2:15. Dear friends I humbly submit. Two (2) MINISTRIES where the Gospel is delivered with inclusion grace support. Therefore I invite you all to the Holy Spirit led empowered CHURCHES. 1. REVISION SDA CHURCH online every [Biblical] Sabbath 2. SAVED TO SERVE [Biblical Studies] and. PROPHECY AGAIN online every Biblical SABBATH. You can only be empowered by the Divine Word when you are BORN AGAIN. ACT 1:8. Peace and Blessings is the VICTORIOUS - More than CONQUERORS. Regardless of our Trials this is for those who have an [desire] EAR to HEAR. Amen.
Homosexuality lifestyle isn't an issue of FEAR but rather a matter of MORALITY and DECENCY and ORDER. LIKE it or NOT. That includes FORNICATION ADULTRY GRIFTING etc. To all Sinning it is to REPENT "Go and SIN no more!!
They are paid to lie. It’s so simple.
As always, when I hear " Black Church" it still reeks of capacity. None serve the people but just their pockets and position. Its all still conforming to the world.
I got right Dee
''Why didn't Columbia University NOT contact Bishop Nathanyel of IUIC to come and speak at Columbia University on this topic?'' If Columbia University would have invited him, it would have been a very fruitful discussion on what we should do from a biblical perspective... 📖🙏🤵⛪
These ppl don't want the truth we already know that
Yes. Then some truth would be talked about
And Pastor Dowell, Watchman, Issachar (Journey man and woman) and Pastor Stephen Darby! He did a sermon on the Black churches called “the Black Gatekeepers and Blueprint” and asked why the Black churches have told Black people who they were with sermon “WHO ARE WE & THEY JACK US”!
They ain’t doing nothing if they don’t have The Honorable Louis Farrakhan’s input! The Nation of Islam is NOT tax exempt and we use our money to produce for Black folks! Seems like they may want to lend an ear!
@@cactusqltr We are not Ishmael nor Islamic we are the Biblical Israelites and Farrakhan knows that.
What's this all about? I thought God was the head of the church? I thought "God was in control", with that in mind, how can a bunch of humans deliberate on the future of any church? Somebody, talk to me!
They cant. This is vain nonsense.
Absolutely correct
The church is a joke!..just look wake up! Open your eyes,wake up. Are you not sick of milk only don't you want meat. They don't care about our salvation.all they care about is money.the church is a business. They are not, not, not teaching us the truth...wake up! There are more churches in the the hood then anywhere and people are people are being murdered everyday on the streets. Are people are lost and hopeless. It don't matter if the church is big or small or what's going on in side the church it's what going out side the church. You ask someone to talk to you so I did. I hope this help you understand.
The church is people. People who follow Christ. What they mean I think, is, is the church going to continue to be a viable money making opportunity for people who want to scam others, ask for seed money, and put on an entertainment and fashion show. Actual church, as we get closer, esp. to the end times, will be tge way it is in other countries. Real believers will get together in people's houses to pray, worship and study the bible. The minister, if there is one, will be like Paul, and not take or expect a salary. Real Christianity won't go anywhere, no matter what color the people are, but the church scam will be going somewhere, and soon I hope
TH-cam Dr. Ray Hagins - What is Christianity?
No one research what they preach. Many rehash what was said in the past by those who taught them. With all their degrees they lack the truth of knowledge of the degree.
Exactly, lots of intellectuals creating their own doctrine sounds like to me.
I have notice this in Hispanic Evangelical Churches too. Some pastors have no background in theology or biblical studies.
Amen Kevin!
Everybody speaking is saying the exact thing we already know about, but no one is giving solutions!!!!!🤦🏾♂️
So true. Everyone is "talking loud and saying nothing." I do not know if they even attend church but if you talk to people who actually attend church on a regular basis, they can tell you the true nature of why the so called Black church is dying.
That's Right Sir, Love Our Neighbors As Ourselves, Amen..We Are Supposed To Follow That Daily, Daily.. Amen
WoW- I would LOVE for THIS conversation to take place right here and right now, in the third decade of the 21st Century with this same panel but including Drs. Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan , via clip or Zoom if possible. In fact, it would be amazing if they could moderate THIS panel! My entire family grew up in the church and Ouwee, the stories we could tell! How can one walk in true faith without love? LOVE IS ALL♥️ (1Corinthians 13:13)
You could leave Farra-CON out this, he pushing black people to follow Scientology.
You are right but they will never include Minister Farrakhan or Pastir Jeremiah Wright. The people that are financing them is a white Universities. These 2 powerful Black men were ousted by Jews. So, whoever Jews hate- Black people bow down and hate them too.
Truth
Also, Pastor Talbert Swan seems to be just as radical as Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan and is right up my alley. He's not with the BS either!
Talking about nothing. yes the church is dead and buried the message needs to change
change to what. another lie
Yes the black church is dying because the leaders were taught by pagans, who then taught us pagan Christianity which they themselves did not follow, and now the time has come for the Shepherd to feed his sheep without the middle men. Ezekiel 34. There is nothing anyone can do about it.
Tellthetruth ....you are on point and correct!!!!
Say that!
I was reading a book few years ago and about Catholic Liturgy and there was a small chapter devoted to the early Catholic Church of Africa and it was neither Coptic nor Ethiopian it’s was a Rite of its own but unfortunately it got wiped out by Islam. I remember it also said it was something some what close to the Eastern Orthodox way of liturgy. I was so happy to read this am not black but it braught very much happiness to know something new about black Catholics.
Jehovah witnesses mormons catholics all the church of satan
Everyone is from Africa even people who have racism will have a superiority complex. Pagan Christianity doesnt exist unless you yourself is a bigot yourself. It doesn't mean i agree with all black church I disagree for hatred for all spectrums.
Rev Otis Moss is on Point! I feel for our Small Churches in our Communities.
Shalom my sister it's time you tell the truth about who the Massiah is so that you don't get condemn with the wicked he's alive and watching all who telling lies about him and his true people and the situation surrounding them speck the truth without favour because he said only the truth shall set us free Halleluyah.
Am a praise and worship leader in the black church and I see a huge change in our background the real ones are always put in the firey furnace and the fake ones are always put at the top and there's a huge separation instead of truly coming together it's hard to get some things back together as it originally was musicians are more about themselves and singers are more into the spotlight and glamour it's favoritism and who can dance or shout the best and more am looking for change and praying for revival to restore us like never before it's happening but not as fast as I really wish but ik that soon a change gon come fr fr
It’s like that everywhere it’s institutional 😊
I agree!! :) In fact, this is one of the things the speakers touched on. One thing I do not like about church is that there is so much condemnation and conviction; preachers trying to guilt people in to serving God the way THEY want them to serve Him. I've seen it in my church as well! And this kind of behavior prevents believers from having that truly personal experience because they are too busy worried about "what PASTOR may think"! It's so annoying...and these guys are annoyed as well!
Read for yourself and study . Focus on pleasing Jesus and Him only . Then you will find peace . Shalom .
Real repentance is the first step.
Action with real repentance is second.
Be like a Doctor Martin Luther King who fought for the poor people rights
we like to call him by his name today , Don King the con artist fooling his tribe 🤣
They don’t use such jargon when speaking to black congregations but do when being checked and questioned about their roles and behaviors
Malachi 2:7
[7]For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.
These so-called pastors and preachers should be teaching the people the Laws of TMH.
Simple as that!
Amen
Amen!!
While I have enjoyed this discourse, unfortunately you all seem to miss the mark....IF you are lending that The PRACTICE of Homosexuality and like sins(Fornication, etc...) ARE NOT SINS, and IF you are saying that it is ok to PRACTICE the lifestyle, and that the CHURCH should NOT in love lend that the practice is, GAY or STRAIGHT wrong and that we must repent of those sins, Then you have missed the whole purpose of the Gospel, no matter the intellectual acuity you all may possess...Nonetheless I did enjoy the discussion...
you are correct,... sadly, they have become so single-mindedly focused on the issue of social ills and injustice, they really have begun to neglect the power of individual re-birth and the primacy of the sanctifying role of the Holy Spirit and his personal guidance
Shieldsff
I fully concur with your statement....Social ills and injustice has clouded some of us as it relates to The Hagios Pneuma's purpose in our lives, which does indeed cal us to serve our brother, but this is something else....
The subject that tripped everyone on this panel had to do with classism in the church. Here you have a number of renowned scholars from the upper echelons of black intelligentsia who make their living pontificating in ivory towers or praying amongst the wealthy. There is no one from the block at this table, no one from the hip-hop community, no spokesperson for the formerly incarcerated seated at this table which was assembled at not in a Harlem library but in prestigious Columbia University.. The black church has lost its power because it has segregated itself with well heeled elites who travel to the hoods of America to pray and then leave. The houses of worship are not sanctuaries for the marginalized who live around the buildings. The churches are in the hood but they do seek out nor do they welcome the people IN the hood. Churches speak about Washington's woes but they are not usually involved in the crisis of gang warfare or meth dealing in their own communities. They are divorced from all of that. This sorry phenomenon is slowly suffocating the black church on a national level.
Well said and absolutely true!
The people from the "block" are too busy creating single parents, using drugs and partying. Most of them are not in the church. They're in prisons. They left the church years ago.
Agreed. The black church and its leadership, as an institution and function, is out of touch to say the least.
Where is Jesus? Who are these people talking too? What language are they speaking and where is Jesus? This seems to be a "buy into my jargon" contest. Are they attempting to reach someone? With who's message? The gospel's complexities are sufficient without us introducing new terminology to the discussion that no one will understand without reading your book. Where is Jesus. Preach Him, teach Him, if you have to pontificate, pontificate Him. The Spirit will reach the masses.
No they don't want real solutions, if they did IUIC would be here and they are mortally afraid of that discussion.
Keep it real. A lot of young folks don’t want to follow rules to get into Heaven. They are changing the black church.. the church will change because of 💴 💰💴💰💴
What are the rules to get to heaven….. and who’s rules…… you mean the slave masters rules…. With All the bigotry they have for us…. Really…. Hey y’all ant got no heaven to put anyone in…. Y’all don’t have a say…. After this world y’all finished and that’s a FAct
Getting to heaven is a gift of grace through Christ, you can never gain that by following rules
@@Master_Ses how do you get the gift of grace?
You sound like a Slave Master.
A lot of young slaves don't want to follow rules, they are changing the plantation.
@@cholli4141 healthy body n mind
I have a Christian background and the question to the death of the Black Church has already been answered, they need scholars from the Consciousness Community to explain why.
I am just glad they had a conversation. We pray we can all evolve to a more effective understanding and Wisdom.
@@ettaadams8842 Well said!
What does that mean? Death of the black church? I'm not sure what to think about it.
Training don't mean a thing if you don't have the right tools
IT'S NOT THE CHURCH... IT'S THE LEADERSHIP IN THE CHURCHES...."MINISTER TYRONE ROWE SR".
Proverbs 21:16 “The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead.”
There is not one thing that is done in the Black church is of Christ. In fact, it is the antichrist. Its pride is at the crossroad and likely block the road of righteous, for pride is a powerful thing.
The buildings sit empty from Monday-Saturday. Our children could be taught real history and life skills Mon-Fri. At night, the homeless could have a place to sleep. On Saturdays, the buildings could be used as markets for folks to sell their homemade items. Vans could be used Mon-Sat to create jobs for Black men....transportation service and delivery services. Infrastructure is sitting there unused while a large number of Black people are wallowing in poverty. Black folks are the majority in the projects and homeless shelters.
There are rules and if the world steps into the church then judgement begins. “And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise” (John 2:16). Watch: "CONSEQUENCES OF ABANDONING THE BLOOD OF JESUS | MAY 10, 2020 - GLOBAL SUNDAY SERVICE" on Repent & Prepare the way. Amen
@@rsmith7589 You obviously don't know that religion is man made. You were born in a prison with no walls and no chains. Find the origins of that which you beLIEve is true if you are not to afraid the look and think for yourself. Blissings
This man made disease needs a supernatural power to be healed. Watch: "The Prophets of the Lord decreed healing in the mighty name of Jesus & Leprosy is totally cleansed" on Repent & Prepare the way. Amen
The Holy Bible instructs us not to buy and sell on Saturdays in Nehemiah 10:31
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Let's remember and keep God's commandments.
Just released: “MEGA GLOBAL SUNDAY REVIVAL SERVICE 19/9/22” on Repent Australia. An update on the little girl who had leprosy. Amen
I would have fallen asleep in the first five minutes.
Black speakers are either too arrogant and trying too hard to impress with big words.
Or.
Very entertaining but no substance.
They JUST talking to hear themselves talk.
Peter Dickson it's called oration!!!
Peter Dickson lol
Peter Dickson yes we can be long winded and being that we were forced to learn English many of us focus on the use of vocabulary...preachers can be especially long winded 😊😊😊
Black speakers are arrogant 🤔
I would like to see how many pastors continue the work of Christ if they were NOT being paid. All the money would go to the upkeep of the building and the community.
I got rescued by in a Pentecostal church, the Father knew exactly what I needed when I needed it. I started going to a non denominational "Baptist" church, was molested by the minister. I came to other churches here and found lots of politics, lots of policies, lots everything except what I need which is Word, how to apply it to my life, what to study if I choose to. I decided to do a deep dive into religion and found what I needed to know, man has a way of messing up the simplest of concepts. Teach me how to follow the Fathers law using His teachings. Your loosing people. I spend time now just sharing the Love of the Father.
I wish he was on this panel, but whoever chose this panel purposely didn't chose a heavy hitting preacher.
Giving in to temptation doomed the church -
Allowing the destruction of the black family
Abandoning issues pertinent to its membership - racism, poverty, injustice, medical apartheid -
Now people see the church as just another business venture - 🌅
the black church is worldly....
Vendella Hernandez, NOT ALL OF THEM!! I WOULD SAY LOTS OF THE MEGA CHURCHES IF ANY.
Vendella Hernandez perfectly put
Yep too worldly for me!
No the black church is dead and not soon enough
You church dignitaries really don't understand, neither can you relate to the negative everyday plight of many of today's so called black people. I grew up in the church, however I have withdrawn myself from this institution as I was no longer been edified by these pastors.
ITS SAD WHEN I SEE MEN TRY TO MAKE SENSE OF A LIE
"When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land."
Jomo Kenyatta
Black churches don't teach Bibilical principles and basic information for new or old Christians. It's just rehearsed sermons without any other understanding.
The problem with the black church (as someone that grew up in it), is that there's a whole lot of talking and not enough doing when it comes to mobilizing the community. I agree with the first lady who spoke that mentioned that the Church's role is to build up the community around common causes. The black church is suppose to be an institution, that's suppose to pass on black values and ultimately address black needs within local communities.
Now it's just preaching for the sake of preaching/money/status and ultimately it's purpose has now been to maintain the status quo. It's become a leech rather than one that helps. With the bigger churches co-opted by political parties/media.
The black community in my opinion will need to (and likely has already started doing) is to re-think the black church/institutions and start building them up around our community needs. One of the speakers said the problem is that the black church has been faith and no love. I'd argue that it's been all faith and no action.
When you look at the ministers representing black churches, then one can understand why this is the case. People don't want to live for the Lord, they live for themselves. And those who follow such leaders can blame no one but themselves.
Amen
We are finally enlightened as to who we really are. We are the true Children Of Elohim. Now we are waiting to go Home. We are a Nation.
As this went on I became.more and more disappointed with what they were saying, with very few exceptions. Ofcourse the church should love, but not the kind they seem to be exposing. The Bible is the basis for our faith and everything we believe. It's where we get our doctrine. Not just the Gospels but all of the New Testament (and Paul) and Old Testament. Jesus handpicked His disciples so that they could continue what he started. So be very careful about some of what they are saying. Gods word goes before anything that these people might be saying, which is based on their own social and cultural experiences and education and not necessarily on the Bible.
The black church will never die
The question should be is Christianity dead.
The structure that hold everything together is Christ & His culture.
Prophet Jesiah Harrison that's real it's only one church we are the church it ant no white church or black church it's just the church
Lovey- Ok we’ll go visit local churches around your city. You will clearly see there are white churches and black churches.
Do your research.there is No JESUS .fool .
No hospital No school No business No Word No Works
There is ONE CHURCH, no Black church. We once had a problem with racism, now we embrace our own racism. Even more, we have the nerve to call it "Black church". EVERY "church" who shuns Christ and His Biblical truth WILL fail. Period.
Ok answer me this according to the scriptures what is the truth that you speak of and does TMH tell us to be separate
You respect people with out judgment remember you can't change anyone until you change your self
That’s not true because that presupposes that once, for example, I change them others will change. Last time I checked, every individual has free will. If I choose to follow Jesus and my cousin chooses to literally follow satan then what does that have to do with me?
I love Jesus, but I ain't listening to Paul! Wow! that's amazing. If you agree with that you have to toss out about 80% of the New Testament. If you do that what's the point?
Plus they spoke of homosexual affirming churches as if that were the only option. All sin needs to be addressed, and will cause offense to the sinner. It's a disservice to not inform sinners of their eternal destination without The Savior. This video wasn't a waste of time it was a unique look into the upper levels of predominantly black churches which aren't prosperity gospel.
Uhh, yeah. Sure.
The black church is not dead, the dead that are preaching who's hearts are hardened who steal from the word and lead the flock astray, lining their pockets!
Why don’t we start with leaving religion out of church!
Religion is man made, and I think that is the basis of why a lot of people are not participating.
Such empty big wards,is the church supporting black neighbourhoods,though, putting money together buying up properties,help repair elderly people's homes,cleaning up neighbourhoods, eating healthy,
The Bible is our doctrine and all doctrine should be based on the Bible.
🥱🥱🥱Listening to this same rhetoric for the last decade, same old soup different bowl.🙄🙄🙄
I am a black christian. But i have to say this: If you have to hold a round table to discuss if the black church is dead...then yes its dead or it never existed. There is only one church...Christ's church. Instead of going through historical jibber jabber we need to preach repentance and holiness. Gino Jennings should have been there
So true
Yeah why we do that do something for your people Jesus feed the crowd before he began to preach
After listening not much was being said. Just touching lightly on certain subject but more on compromising.
Many black churches are closing or dying because of religion and not the true teachings of our people. So,
The rocks are crying out.
Teach the truth and live by it. The missionary is in the community and not behind closed doors. Feed my sheep.
Teach the true Identity of our people to our people and take your thieving hands out of their pockets. Feed my sheep.
Explain who we are Blblically and not religious traditions of man. We are Judah. Start their. And while you are at it. Start with Genisis 10, Deutoronomy 28 chapter. To become who we are meant to be as a people, look at 2nd Chronicles, 7:14.
Luke 19:40 is what's happening as well. Acts 2:17 must I also add that thus is the beginning of the church age. Where did all the denominations come from.
If we learn our true identity than, we shall know the path to take from their.
Hosea 4:6, Isaiah 5:13
Amen and Amen!!
The question is not if the "Black Church" is dead, the real question that should be asked is, is there anywhere in the Bible that speaks of Church based on color? My reading of the Infallible Word of God, says the Body of Christ has many members but is yet one Body. Therefore, I must conclude that there is no African, European, Asian, Hispanic, Jewish, Greek, Russian, Italian, Indian, Australian Church. There is only one true Church which has many nationalities, that being the Body of Christ!
Rev. O Moss! Speak true to facts! I don't care how much you disagree with your brother! But when you come around mother your attitude have to change.
Not completely but it's dying fast when our Lord returns he'll do the rest. Jeremiah 23:3 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD
The truth is NOT in these lying church houses even the Bible tell us that...The truth is in the streets on the highways and byways like it or not
I am with change but we need to stop shifting the blame to the black churches and start looking at its members. It is nothing wrong with the black churches it is been killed by its members.We need to have more united with each other in the black churches to build a love and giving society. That is what God told Jesus to preach. Love!
I was thoroughly impressed and enlightened by the level of 'truth' I found during this discussion. My hope is to dialogue with these persons at a later opportunity, or at least read some more of their thoughts. Thank you to the panelist and Columbia for posting this.
Completely unrelated: the lady on the left - her hair is GLORIOUS!!
The woman with the fro was making perfect sense. Especially her insight about the Blak church and community. The younger woman just sounded like she was giving a dissertation. We know you're highly intelligent, but could you give it to us in layman's term?
Both the Women were too busy pushing a female leadership and male replacement agenda to make any sense to me and many others.
She's the only one that really hig on something.
The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
John 1:5
The black church has kept the religion alive as we give energy to all Faith's but our own culture which died bc we been interrupted by slavery and misinformation , many are turning to Afrikan Spirituality bc we desire change
About time… long overdue… but we have to put work in.. there’s work to be done
YES!!!!!
Clearly these black churches/pastors keep us in sin. Not preaching the true doctrine to the lost sheep.